Minnesota officer shoots dead another innocent black victim

Ckendrick · 12-04-2021 10:31pm

AMKC wrote: »

She could have just shot him in the leg or arm instead of killing him. But ye another sad story in America in loving the cops. They never learn. The only way to solve this is to only have highly trained detectives have guns and take the guns off the rest of them. Let them have tasers and pepper spray and it will be less likely to happen again.

So a pair of unarmed policemen stop a car for going through a red light. They approach the car and the driver gets out and starts firing a legally held hand gun at them.
What happens next?

10000maniacs · 12-04-2021 10:32pm

Ckendrick wrote: »

Well...what is the person reaching for? In the middle of being arrested, why do you suddenly jerk away from the police officer and try to get into the car??

Like I said, if an officer was standing over me with a revolver like a lunatic shouting "tazer, tazer, tazer", the first thing I would do would put my foot on the accelerator and get the fcuk out of there. Operation save ass!!!!
He did the right thing and got the hell out of there, but it was too late as she managed to fatally wound him anyway.

Infini · 12-04-2021 10:39pm

Augme wrote: »

How can you be so stupid that you pull a gun instead of a taser. But then again, these are American cops.

Some have commented the problem is some tazers look the same as guns including colour. Poor guy certainly didnt deserve to get shot or die but he was being handcuffed then suddenly starts resisting and jumps into the car, in the ensuing struggle officer seems to believe they're pulling their tazer and only realises too late they had their handgun instead. It shocking but at the same time it brings up the question as to how the officer didnt realise they'd drawn the wrong weapon? Insufficient training? Weapons being too indistinguisable from one another? Questions do need to be asked as to what happened tho.

AMKC · 12-04-2021 10:39pm

Ckendrick wrote: »

So a pair of unarmed policemen stop a car for going through a red light. They approach the car and the driver gets out and starts firing a legally held hand gun at them.
What happens next?

Same thing as would happen here or in the UK they call in the detective unit or the SAU aka special arms unit or a QRA aka quick response unit.

Lmkrnr · 12-04-2021 10:41pm

Driver = not very smart. Cop = Dum as fuxx.

Welcome to America.

AMKC · 12-04-2021 10:44pm

Lmkrnr wrote: »

Driver not very smart+Cop Dum as fuxx = dead victim

Welcome to America.

Fyp for you.

Dr. Bre · 12-04-2021 10:46pm

10000maniacs wrote: »

They really can't help themselves killing black people can they?

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/12/us/brooklyn-center-minnesota-police-shooting/index.html

Go live in the states if you are so concerned

12-04-2021 10:49pm

Nozebleed wrote: »

why didnt he just comply with the officer?

I just can never understand that. If you are not committing any crime, then why not just humour the police temporarily, don't give them any reason to arrest you are shoot you. It's really not that complicated. As Marcellus Wallace said, "f*ck pride".

Ckendrick · 12-04-2021 10:50pm

10000maniacs wrote: »

Like I said, if an officer was standing over me with a revolver like a lunatic shouting "tazer, tazer, tazer", the first thing I would do would put my foot on the accelerator and get the fcuk out of there. Operation save ass!!!!
He did the right thing and got the hell out of there, but it was too late as she managed to fatally wound him anyway.

How did he do the right thing if he’s dead??
Why was she pulling her taser on him in the first place? If you’ve a warrant out for your arrest and the cops catch up with you then why can’t you just cooperate?

kildare lad · 12-04-2021 10:52pm

10000maniacs wrote: »

If someone was standing over me with a revolver shouting "tazer tazer tazer", the first thing I would do would put my foot on the accelerator and get the fcuk out of there. Self preservation and all that.

What a hero

Ckendrick · 12-04-2021 10:53pm

AMKC wrote: »

Same thing as would happen here or in the UK they call in the detective unit or the SAU aka special arms unit or a QRA aka quick response unit.

Will they call in the armed police before or after they’ve been shot dead?
You do know that the chances of encountering an armed citizen in a traffic stop in the US must be 1000s of times more then here?

AMKC · 12-04-2021 11:16pm

Anyone else notice on the police cam video the black man that was shot is driving a white car similar in style to an Opel Insignia hatch here a Buick I think they are over there but when they show the car crashed it is blue and an estate. So unless his car transformed or he changed cars during his getting away something is wrong there.

AMKC · 12-04-2021 11:17pm

Ckendrick wrote: »

Will they call in the armed police before or after they’ve been shot dead?
You do know that the chances of encountering an armed citizen in a traffic stop in the US must be 1000s of times more then here?

Before of course.

Nope did not know that never been there prob never will not like I would want to anyway. They are crazy over there.

12-04-2021 11:30pm

Why resist arrest when he was about to be cuffed. He would still be alive if he hadn’t fought his way free. Bad decision.

Sandor Clegane · 13-04-2021 12:09am

Do cops have the authority to shoot people who run and are non violent?

Is shooting a fleeing person an acceptable form of stopping them?

Also there was another person in the car with him, does that persons safety not come into play when firing at this guy? I saw the video and I'm assuming the girlfriend was in the passenger seat and the cop just shoots at him...it could of easily missed and got her instead.

Madness.

Also if it was a genuine mix up between tazer and gun the cop is a complete and utter incompetent.

Bold Abdu · 13-04-2021 12:17am

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

Also if it was a genuine mix up between tazer and gun the cop is a complete and utter incompetent.

I don't understand how anyone could think it was anything other than a genuine mix up. I mean she hardly thought it was a good idea.

wicklowstevo · 13-04-2021 12:22am

so why did he not comply and try to fight again ?

every one who asks this gets shouted at as a racist bootlicker but I was just wondering .
I mean he caused the cops to react not the other way around.

Sandor Clegane · 13-04-2021 12:28am

I think the government/police force should just come out and say deadly force is allowed if you struggle or run...even in non violent cases.

Just be black and white about it and leave no grey area, anything other than laying face down and being as still and quite as a statue regardless of the situation could result in you getting shot and a cop is well within his/her rights to do it with no come back.

I mean this is basically the situation anyway just be upfront about it publicly.

wicklowstevo · 13-04-2021 12:32am

AMKC wrote: »

She could have just shot him in the leg or arm instead of killing him. But ye another sad story in America in loving the cops. They never learn. The only way to solve this is to only have highly trained detectives have guns and take the guns off the rest of them. Let them have tasers and pepper spray and it will be less likely to happen again.

this again ? really ?
no police or military or firearms training in the world trains to shoot anything apart from centre mass.

even in Ireland they are in the process of disarming detectives and only allowing ASU to carry firearms. one or two units per county. Detectives investigate crime and rarely require a firearm
in America your idea would result in many many police and civilian deaths from violent criminals who know they are unlikely to encounter armed response to stop them .

its also very clear you know next to nothing about tazers or pepper spray

10000maniacs · 13-04-2021 12:48am

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

Do cops have the authority to shoot people who run and are non violent?

Is shooting a fleeing person an acceptable form of stopping them?

Also there was another person in the car with him, does that persons safety not come into play when firing at this guy? I saw the video and I'm assuming the girlfriend was in the passenger seat and the cop just shoots at him...it could of easily missed and got her instead.

Madness.

Also if it was a genuine mix up between tazer and gun the cop is a complete and utter incompetent.

That's basically the acceptable narrative with the MPD fanboys on this thread. Binging too many LAPD type tv shows than is healthy for them.

10000maniacs · 13-04-2021 12:52am

Bold Abdu wrote: »

I don't understand how anyone could think it was anything other than a genuine mix up. I mean she hardly thought it was a good idea.

Yeah, maybe she's colourblind. Doh is a taser yellow or black? doh.

Gatling · 13-04-2021 1:00am

10000maniacs wrote: »

Yeah, maybe she's colourblind. Doh is a tazer yellow or black? doh.

Alot of the times in the states there actually black ,

Bold Abdu · 13-04-2021 1:07am

10000maniacs wrote: »

Yeah, maybe she's colourblind. Doh is a tazer yellow or black? doh.

Out of interest, was her taser yellow or black?

10000maniacs · 13-04-2021 1:10am

I remember the old thread here on George Floyd's killing. Same old MPD fanboys and fanboy thankers.

13-04-2021 1:15am

As always im just bemused at how invested so many get in everyday occurrences in a country thousands of miles away that bears no resemblance to the one this site pertains to.

Do ye ever give yer heads a shake at all to remind yrselves this stuff might be big on twitter but its as well to be reality tv or fiction for all any of it matters here in ireland?

Im just constantly taken aback how so many seem to want to fight these proxy battles for yank society's ills

10000maniacs · 13-04-2021 1:22am

Deleted User wrote: »

As always im just bemused at how invested so many get in everyday occurrences in a country thousands of miles away that bears no resemblance to the one this site pertains to.

Do ye ever give yer heads a shake at all to remind yrselves this stuff might be big on twitter but its as well to be reality tv or fiction for all any of it matters here in ireland?

Im just constantly taken aback how so many seem to want to fight these proxy battles for yank society's ills

It was the second story on both Channel 4 and the BBC last night. Why do these networks carry the story at all? Nosy sods.

13-04-2021 1:42am

I dont think that "the news stations from a third country carried it" answers my point the way you seem to think it does, tbh

Monkey arris · 13-04-2021 2:03am

Nozebleed wrote: »

wouldnt have happened if he just stood there explaining himself. would it?

I dunno, one time they shot a man sitting in his car at a stop and then there was that lady asleep in bed. And that man Floyd was killed while he was explaining himself.

The cop mistook her gun for a tazer.

eagle eye · 13-04-2021 3:04am

This one is clearly an accident/mistake on the part of the officer. She'll have to live with it for the rest of her life.
It's nothing like the George Floyd case where I hope the jury convict.

Tell me how · 13-04-2021 3:06am

Deleted User wrote: »

As always im just bemused at how invested so many get in everyday occurrences in a country thousands of miles away that bears no resemblance to the one this site pertains to.

Do ye ever give yer heads a shake at all to remind yrselves this stuff might be big on twitter but its as well to be reality tv or fiction for all any of it matters here in ireland?

Im just constantly taken aback how so many seem to want to fight these proxy battles for yank society's ills

On Boards at least anyway, it always seems there's more people eager to get involved and say that the cops are right, 'it's easy, just comply and you'll be fine' etc than there are saying the policing system is inadequate.

And at least in recent discussions, the dominant voices saying policing needs to change were from people living in the states.

Oranage2 · 13-04-2021 3:23am

eagle eye wrote: »

This one is clearly an accident/mistake on the part of the officer. She'll have to live with it for the rest of her life.
It's nothing like the George Floyd case where I hope the jury convict.

Totally agree, big mistake but almost justified, can see her getting off.

The George case is cold blooded murder.

~Rebel~ · 13-04-2021 3:32am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As always im just bemused at how invested so many get in everyday occurrences in a country thousands of miles away that bears no resemblance to the one this site pertains to.

Do ye ever give yer heads a shake at all to remind yrselves this stuff might be big on twitter but its as well to be reality tv or fiction for all any of it matters here in ireland?

Im just constantly taken aback how so many seem to want to fight these proxy battles for yank society's ills

You seem to be doing the exact same thing? Like, if it’s an occurrence in a place you feel so removed from, why are you posting about it yourself? If you’ve no interest in the conversation why not just leave others to it?

Ireland also has a lot of connections to the US... plenty of us live, or have lived there, and plenty more have family and friends there.

Quantum Erasure · 13-04-2021 3:33am

Deleted User wrote: »

As always im just bemused at how invested so many get in everyday occurrences in a country thousands of miles away that bears no resemblance to the one this site pertains to.

Do ye ever give yer heads a shake at all to remind yrselves this stuff might be big on twitter but its as well to be reality tv or fiction for all any of it matters here in ireland?

Im just constantly taken aback how so many seem to want to fight these proxy battles for yank society's ills

'Brace yourself, it's coming' meme

Yellow_Fern · 13-04-2021 3:37am

Oranage2 wrote: »

Totally agree, big mistake but almost justified, can see her getting off.

The George case is cold blooded murder.

He isnt even been tried for murder. He was charged with a form of manslaughter. There is a lot of evidence that the officer didn't even touch the neck for most the incident.Very high chance it was a drug death. So very possible that he will be acquitted.

13-04-2021 3:52am

~Rebel~ wrote: »

You seem to be doing the exact same thing? Like, if it’s an occurrence in a place you feel so removed from, why are you posting about it yourself? If you’ve no interest in the conversation why not just leave others to it?

Ireland also has a lot of connections to the US... plenty of us live, or have lived there, and plenty more have family and friends there.

Well not to totally derail the thread, but im discussing a behavioural trend ive noted from posters, mostly presumably irish, on an irish discussion board of which im a contributor and user.

Theres no remove at all, and the trend has noticeable direct implications in how many conversations of actual irish affairs seem to go these days

Id content thats actually the exact opposite of what i pointed out in my first post tbh

Tell me how · 13-04-2021 4:18am

Deleted User wrote: »

Well not to totally derail the thread, but im discussing a behavioural trend ive noted from posters, mostly presumably irish, on an irish discussion board of which im a contributor and user.

Theres no remove at all, and the trend has noticeable direct implications in how many conversations of actual irish affairs seem to go these days

Id content thats actually the exact opposite of what i pointed out in my first post tbh

How so?

~Rebel~ · 13-04-2021 4:19am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well not to totally derail the thread, but im discussing a behavioural trend ive noted from posters, mostly presumably irish, on an irish discussion board of which im a contributor and user.

Theres no remove at all, and the trend has noticeable direct implications in how many conversations of actual irish affairs seem to go these days

Id content thats actually the exact opposite of what i pointed out in my first post tbh

You seem to just be complaining about other people having an interest - for their own reasons - in something you don’t have an interest in. Maybe just make a thread about that, or only read/comment on threads you are interested in?

As far as I’m aware there’s no rule here that the issues discussed must be Irish. If people are interested in a subject, they’ll talk about. If they’re not, they won’t.

On topic - whether this was or wasn’t an accident, it’s yet another pretty damning indictment of US policing. If it wasn’t an accidental shooting then obviously it speaks to something especially horrible. But even if it was accidental, it’s another huge pointer towards inadequate training for officers supplied with lethal weapons. An accident like this should be impossible for a properly trained officer. But alas as we so often see, officer training in deescalation and correct use of force is simply not anywhere near good enough.

(Seriously though, how does one draw a gun, release the safety, and fire, all while thinking they’re holding a taser?)

Quantum Erasure · 13-04-2021 4:23am

Tell me how wrote: »

How so?

The whole conversation around George nkencho's death, for one

13-04-2021 5:45am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

The whole conversation around George nkencho's death, for one

The people who got beaten up by mostly peaceful protectors in Blanch would say there are real consequences. As well as the ones who were under siege in the petrol station.

Oranage2 · 13-04-2021 6:30am

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

He isnt even been tried for murder. He was charged with a form of manslaughter. There is a lot of evidence that the officer didn't even touch the neck for most the incident.Very high chance it was a drug death. So very possible that he will be acquitted.

third-degree murder sounds like a murder charge to me

Jequ0n · 13-04-2021 8:02am

I don’t know what amuses me more: the blatantly obvious intent to open a thread to polarise or that everyone is falling for it. Thank you, OP

Enter name here · 13-04-2021 8:09am

How was it possible they conducted and concluded a court case before the ACCIDENTAL shooting of a HUMAN to determine his innocence?

Fandymo · 13-04-2021 8:20am

https://www.fox9.com/video/920926

I hate when someone is killed and I've to decide what local store to destroy.

US Man 1: It's happened again
US Man 2: What has?
US Man1: They've shot another unarmed black man.
US Man 2: Awwwwww shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
US Man 1: Lets go.
US Man 2: Which store has the biggest flat screen TV's? It really is an outrage that the police keep shooting black people.
US Man 1: Thats what happens when we are given labels like thugs and criminals, I hear Radio Shack got a new delivery of LED OLEDs. Lets hit there first.
US Man 2: Sounds good, I hear it's Asian owned too, so doubly good.

ThunbergsAreGo · 13-04-2021 8:22am

10000maniacs wrote: »

It was the second story on both Channel 4 and the BBC last night. Why do these networks carry the story at all? Nosy sods.

Cos for some bizarre reason they are equally obsessed with America. Has no relevance it me at all.

ThunbergsAreGo · 13-04-2021 8:27am

Fandymo wrote: »

https://www.fox9.com/video/920926

I hate when someone is killed and I've to decide what local store to destroy.

US Man 1: It's happened again
US Man 2: What has?
US Man1: They've shot another unarmed black man.
US Man 2: Awwwwww shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
US Man 1: Lets go.
US Man 2: Which store has the biggest flat screen TV's? It really is an outrage that the police keep shooting black people.
US Man 1: Thats what happens when we are given labels like thugs and criminals, I hear Radio Shack got a new delivery of LED OLEDs. Lets hit there first.
US Man 2: Sounds good, I hear it's Asian owned too, so doubly good.

Crazy how this is normalised now in America.

13-04-2021 8:29am

This is how fast things can turn deadly - https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/hb4v1x/drunk_man_assault_and_shoot_at_police_during_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

I don't envy police in America.

kildare lad · 13-04-2021 8:33am

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Cos for some bizarre reason they are equally obsessed with America. Has no relevance it me at all.

If the fella was white it wouldn't even be on the news . Thousands of people are violently killed on the planet everyday but when a black criminal accidentally gets shot in America by the police it's somehow headline news.

Dempo1 · 13-04-2021 8:41am

Seems to me people very quick to pre judge what's happened here, I've watched the video and it's clearly obvious the officer immediately realised her mistake and was clearly in shock. Furthermore the fact the victim was at the stage of handcuffing suggests his innocence not entirely clear, he also absconded crashing into another vehicle. Its notable the officer is also Black.

Whilst regrettable there's an element in BLM very very quick to react and stir trouble, maybe I'm being harsh but why is it I sense Dollar signs when I see grieving siblings and well attired lawyers popping up out of nowhere for press conferences , the mother looks like the sort who'd not get a second glance from these vultures in normal circumstances.

walshb · 13-04-2021 8:48am

Student_111 wrote: »

This is how fast things can turn deadly - https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/hb4v1x/drunk_man_assault_and_shoot_at_police_during_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

I don't envy police in America.

Yep..

Extremely dangerous people they are dealing with...

I wonder the outcome here for the officers?’

osarusan · 13-04-2021 9:06am

Huge f**k up by the officer...whether it stretches to a charge or not I don't know.

Criminally negligent homicide is one that comes to mind but I don't know what the laws and charges are in wherever that happened.

Minnesota officer shoots dead another innocent black victim

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