Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

hynesie08 · 19-04-2021 4:23pm

scamalert wrote: »

but why would they relax it then if it works so good shouldn't we keep it up then for another year or two ? surely we want to save everyone no ?

not serious btw ^ but seems this is the logic pro lowdown campers are using here

You'll be able to find several posts easy enough to back up that claim then?

19-04-2021 4:25pm

scamalert wrote: »

but why would they relax it then if it works so good shouldn't we keep it up then for another year or two ? surely we want to save everyone no ?

not serious btw ^ but seems this is the logic pro lowdown campers are using here

Only in the minds of the usual spoofers who assume anyone not demanding immediate relaxation of most restrictions are automatically in support of maintaining and extending existing restrictions.

charlie14 · 19-04-2021 4:30pm

darconio wrote: »

A very long hyperbole, but in conclusion, can we agree, as stated in the official document, that the death toll, in Ireland, was inflated in accordance with the WHO directives?
I'm not looking for the reason behind, can we at least admit it?

What is it that you cannot get that there is no official 2020 statistical document for Ireland yet published on the number of deaths ?
The only official statistical authority for Ireland is the Central Statistics Office. It has been since 1949 and is recognised by Eurostat, a Directorate-General of the European Commission as such.
Any other figures are not officially recognised.

Would you agree that when Ireland`s official figures are know, should they be in line with these unofficial figures and guesses being bandied around, then they would show that compared to the official excess death figures of the other E.U. states now that we know their statistics, Ireland would be recognised as having kept deaths from Covid-19 proportionally lower than practically all the rest ?

paddyisreal · 19-04-2021 4:38pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Remember Micheal warning us all that the variant was essentially a new virus...that was only a little over month ago...how wrong was he!!!!!!

The started to lose a lot of people when they extended the severe lock down into March, they did that at the beginning of Feb, they warned us about Paddy's day, Mothers Day, Easter....less and less people are listening...you can see that everywhere at this stage.

tbh no one is listening anymore. It has just been one mess after another and most people have had enough from what I have seen anecdotally.

darconio · 19-04-2021 4:39pm

gozunda wrote: »

I'm not sure you understand what the word hyperbole means tbh. Everything detailed is simply based on how things are.

But nope thats not was said at all. Do read the comment again.

And btw the WHO dont do "directives".

charlie14 wrote: »

What is it that you cannot get that there is no official 2020 statistical document for Ireland yet published on the number of deaths ?
The only official statistical authority for Ireland is the Central Statistics Office. It has been since 1949 and is recognised by Eurostat, a Directorate-General of the European Commission as such.
Any other figures are not officially recognised.

Would you agree that when Ireland`s official figures are know, should they be in line with these unofficial figures and guesses being bandied around, then they would show that compared to the official excess death figures of the other E.U. states now that we know their statistics, Ireland would be recognised as having kept deaths from Covid-19 proportionally lower than practically all the rest ?

Well guys if you cannot even read and accept what's said in an official document then I rest my case

https://www.hiqa.ie/sites/default/fi...epidemic_0.pdf

As of mid April, in line with World Health Organization (WHO) guidance, death reporting was extended to include deaths both in patients with probable COVID-19 in addition to deaths among confirmed cases.
By definition, such deaths must result from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (for example, trauma).

moonage · 19-04-2021 4:47pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Remember Micheal warning us all that the variant was essentially a new virus...that was only a little over month ago...how wrong was he!!!!!!

All variants are currently 99.7% similar to the original Wuhan viral sequence.

The fearmongering around variants is part of the ruse. Clearly something very sinister is afoot.

gozunda · 19-04-2021 4:48pm

Del Griffith wrote: »

Load of beside the point bollocks as usual, you can argue about the principal cause of death with the solicitor and coroner (he should find it amusing that you know more about his career profession that him, but let's not digress)

Here is my actual statement which you called a lie :

"you can literally die of anything and if you test positive, you're in the numbers".

As you well know, your chums in NPHET and RTE count all "covid related deaths" in the numbers. It doesn't have to be the PCoD - it all gets scooped up for the daily numbers (tm).

I've yet to find anything in your lengthy post that qualifies my line as "bs", so feel free to elaborate on that.

I'll just leave this here too, somewhat pertinent:

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1278995351169613824

We you see del. Thats the thing - it's not a pile of 'bollocsk".

Just because it doesn't match with your world view does not mean everything else is incorrect. And yes our solicitor friend does not have a medical degree etc. But we'll park that.

But again you've completely failed to address any of the points made. And you may wish to check - nothing was called a 'lie' btw. But saying I did - is indeed a lie

And funnily enough I don't have "chums in Nphet" or RTE. I rarely look to either for data or information tbh.

As for that rather odd tweet you're relying on.

You may notice its a response an RTE article about a study which assessed the number of deaths that occurred in Ireland from 11 March to 16 June 2020 relative to the expected number of deaths, using data from the death notices website RIP.ie.

We now know that death notices from RIP etc are not a reliable source of data for deaths. And if you wish to take that rather poor RTE article as proof of something or other by virtue of Leo making a comment on it. On your head be it.

Interestingly though enough Dr Teljeur Senior statistician / Trinity College Dublin - is contrast to the general tone and quoted in the linked article states that the official figure of 1,700 deaths as a result of the virus is correct and while it may be a slight overestimate it is an accurate estimate and the reality is that those people did die as a result of contracting the virus.

And back to your "statement". It remains it's little more than bullstuff.

For example - If you get hit and killed by a bus - having previously having contracted Covid (but got better despite having a dicky heart) - your death certificate will NOT list Covid as a cause of death.

You may also appreciate - that Ireland has a fairly low death rate - so if as you claim they're exaggerating deaths. They're not doing a very good job of it are they?

charlie14 · 19-04-2021 4:54pm

darconio wrote: »

Well guys if you cannot even read and accept what's said in an official document then I rest my case

https://www.hiqa.ie/sites/default/fi...epidemic_0.pdf

As of mid April, in line with World Health Organization (WHO) guidance, death reporting was extended to include deaths both in patients with probable COVID-19 in addition to deaths among confirmed cases.
By definition, such deaths must result from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (for example, trauma).

That link does not work, and even if it did it`s irrelevant.
Not only is HIQA not the official recognised statistical agency for Ireland, but your whole premise is irrelevant unless you can somehow explain away official statistics for other countries that show high excess deaths that coincide with the various Covid waves.
WHO "guidance" is completely irrelevant when it comes to excess deaths. Their "guidance" is not going to change those figures.

So again, when Ireland`s official statistics are know if your premise is correct based on these assumptions and unofficial figures, then would it not show just how successful we have been in dealing with this virus ?
You cannot have it both ways

Silentcorner · 19-04-2021 5:04pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

It was difficult to see how they could maintain the hysteria for the next few months....only the truly indoctrinated are supportive of these severe restrictions.

Graham wrote: »

Why?

They appear to have worked as intended to the point where they are now being relaxed.

Like I said....

Tipsy McSwagger · 19-04-2021 5:07pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Jesus its all unraveling isn't it

When you look at the way the UK are now with all shops opened, people able to go to the hairdressers and have a pint, it was only a matter of time before our useless government caved in.

Del Griffith · 19-04-2021 5:10pm

gozunda wrote: »

We you see del. Thats the thing - it's not a pile of 'bollocsk".

Just because it doesn't match with your world view does not mean everything else is incorrect. And yes our solicitor friend does not have a medical degree etc. But we'll park that.

But again you've completely failed to address any of the points made. And you may wish to check - nothing was called a 'lie' btw. But saying I did - is indeed a lie

And funnily enough I don't have "chums in Nphet" or RTE. I rarely look to either for data or information tbh.

As for that rather odd tweet you're relying on.

You may notice its a response an RTE article about a study which assessed the number of deaths that occurred in Ireland from 11 March to 16 June 2020 relative to the expected number of deaths, using data from the death notices website RIP.ie.

We now know that death notices from RIP etc are not a reliable source of data for deaths. And if you wish to take that rather poor RTE article as proof of something or other by virtue of Leo making a comment on it. On your head be it.

Interestingly though enough Dr Teljeur Senior statistician / Trinity College Dublin - is contrast to the general tone and quoted in the linked article states that the official figure of 1,700 deaths as a result of the virus is correct and while it may be a slight overestimate it is an accurate estimate and the reality is that those people did die as a result of contracting the virus.

And back to your "statement". It remains it's little more than bullstuff.

For example - If you get hit and killed by a bus - having previously having contracted Covid (but got better despite having a dicky heart) - your death certificate will NOT list Covid as a cause of death.

You may also appreciate - that Ireland has a fairly low death rate - so if as you claim they're exaggerating deaths. They're not doing a very good job of it are they?

Why would I address any of your points? They have nothing to do with said. I directed you towards the coroner, you should take up your view of his professional opinion in his own trade with him.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how all "covid-related deaths" ie: the daily numbers Ireland is fed, are covid as a principal cause of death.

The way you haven't answered directly almost seems like, maybe covid isn't always the principal cause of death? But that would be wild, as they are all counted in the numbers, which is what I actually said in the first place. Odd that.

TomTomTim · 19-04-2021 5:19pm

What a joke. They only speak up after the EU Commission questioned the validity of the decision. The ICCL are one of the most useless groups in this country.

Irish Council for Civil Liberties calls for mandatory hotel quarantine to be suspended

darconio · 19-04-2021 5:36pm

charlie14 wrote: »

That link does not work, and even if it did it`s irrelevant.
Not only is HIQA not the official recognised statistical agency for Ireland, but your whole premise is irrelevant unless you can somehow explain away official statistics for other countries that show high excess deaths that coincide with the various Covid waves.
WHO "guidance" is completely irrelevant when it comes to excess deaths. Their "guidance" is not going to change those figures.

So again, when Ireland`s official statistics are know if your premise is correct based on these assumptions and unofficial figures, then would it not show just how successful we have been in dealing with this virus ?
You cannot have it both ways

You keep ignoring what I am trying to demonstrate with a document provided by the Health Information and Quality Authority of Ireland.

https://www.hiqa.ie/sites/default/files/2020-07/Analysis-of-excess-all-cause-mortality-in-Ireland-during-the-COVID-19-epidemic_0.pdf

Those statistics you are talking about are inflated by the amount of people that were reported as death by covid, but in reality they weren't.
They reported x people dying by covid, but the reality is that y did: how could anybody create a proper statistic if the numbers are/were not correct?

19-04-2021 5:47pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

When you look at the way the UK are now with all shops opened, people able to go to the hairdressers and have a pint, it was only a matter of time before our useless government caved in.

Have they given dates now for hairdressers reopening?

Graham · 19-04-2021 5:55pm

Del Griffith wrote: »

I'm still waiting for you to explain how all "covid-related deaths" ie: the daily numbers Ireland is fed, are covid as a principal cause of death.

The way you haven't answered directly almost seems like, maybe covid isn't always the principal cause of death? But that would be wild, as they are all counted in the numbers, which is what I actually said in the first place. Odd that.

What impact is that going to have on the relaxation of restrictions either way?

gozunda · 19-04-2021 5:57pm

darconio wrote: »

Well guys if you cannot even read and accept what's said in an official document then I rest my case

https://www.hiqa.ie/sites/default/fi...epidemic_0.pdf

As of mid April, in line with World Health Organization (WHO) guidance, death reporting was extended to include deaths both in patients with probable COVID-19 in addition to deaths among confirmed cases.
By definition, such deaths must result from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (for example, trauma).

Well darconio. To answer that- I can read, but I'll ask- can you? Thats a very out of date document.

You may note the above quote was taken from a study published by HIQA using RIP website information between March and April 2020 and Published in July 2020 and uses a (now old) definition from WHO from April of last year solely for the purpose of that study.

Firstly the study itself and definition are now well out of date.

Secondly this is the current international guidance on reporting Covid deaths from the relevant body - the ECDC - and as detailed by the HSPC

The case definition for COVID-19 in Ireland has been updated routinely during the pandemic in accordance with the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) guidance and updates.

Deaths in confirmed COVID-19 case: A death in a person with laboratory confirmation of COVID-19 infection, irrespective of clinical signs and symptoms (including post mortem).

Deaths in probable COVID-19 case: A death in a person with probable COVID-19 infection as described in the COVID-19 case definition below

Deaths in possible/suspect COVID-19 case: See below scenarios for possible/suspect cases which should be reported as COVID-19 deaths.

All deaths in patients suspected of having COVID-19 i.e. patients with symptoms clinically compatible with COVID-19 illness. These suspect cases may or may not have been tested for COVID-19 prior to death. These possible COVID-19 deaths include patients with pending COVID-19 laboratory results.

All unexplained deaths/sudden deaths in residential facilities with a confirmed/suspected COVID-19 cluster/outbreak of illness unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 disease (e.g. trauma)

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyfrequentlyaskedquestions/

Now all the above does - is differentiate between laboratory confirmed (tested positive) deaths and non laboratory confirmed deaths as alternatively determined by doctors etc

Stipulations include that death due to Covid cannot be assigned where where there is a clear alternative cause of death (e.g. trauma).

And that death due to COVID-19 may not be attributed to a death from a non clinically compatible disease (e.g. cancer)

Elsewhere it is also noted that there should be no period of complete recovery from COVID-19 between illness and death in assigning Covid as a cause of death.

And those are the international guidelines Not just here. So if its all a big conspiracy- I guess everyone is at it.

Thing is Ireland thankfully does not have a particularly high death rate compared to other countries- so if the powers that be are exaggerating the figures. They're not very good at it tbh.

KanyeSouthEast · 19-04-2021 6:06pm

Did the Mothers Day/Patrick’s Day/Easter Surge occur or was that all forgotten about?

normanoffside · 19-04-2021 6:18pm

gozunda wrote: »

We you see del. Thats the thing - it's not a pile of 'bollocsk".

Just because it doesn't match with your world view does not mean everything else is incorrect. And yes our solicitor friend does not have a medical degree etc. But we'll park that.

But again you've completely failed to address any of the points made. And you may wish to check - nothing was called a 'lie' btw. But saying I did - is indeed a lie

And funnily enough I don't have "chums in Nphet" or RTE. I rarely look to either for data or information tbh.

As for that rather odd tweet you're relying on.

You may notice its a response an RTE article about a study which assessed the number of deaths that occurred in Ireland from 11 March to 16 June 2020 relative to the expected number of deaths, using data from the death notices website RIP.ie.

We now know that death notices from RIP etc are not a reliable source of data for deaths. And if you wish to take that rather poor RTE article as proof of something or other by virtue of Leo making a comment on it. On your head be it.

Interestingly though enough Dr Teljeur Senior statistician / Trinity College Dublin - is contrast to the general tone and quoted in the linked article states that the official figure of 1,700 deaths as a result of the virus is correct and while it may be a slight overestimate it is an accurate estimate and the reality is that those people did die as a result of contracting the virus.

And back to your "statement". It remains it's little more than bullstuff.

For example - If you get hit and killed by a bus - having previously having contracted Covid (but got better despite having a dicky heart) - your death certificate will NOT list Covid as a cause of death.

You may also appreciate - that Ireland has a fairly low death rate - so if as you claim they're exaggerating deaths. They're not doing a very good job of it are they?

Hi Gozunda, Dr Glynn was just asked about this and has confirmed that he reports all deaths with Covid19 whether or not it is the cause of or even a factor in the death.

paddyisreal · 19-04-2021 6:18pm

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Did the Mothers Day/Patrick’s Day/Easter Surge occur or was that all forgotten about?

There's 4 cases reported of the Indian varriant today apparently to do with all the take away curries eaten over mother's day etc

Silentcorner · 19-04-2021 6:19pm

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Did the Mothers Day/Patrick’s Day/Easter Surge occur or was that all forgotten about?

No but to be fair...we were warned about the lethal nature of passing the gravy boat at family dinner occasions last Christmas, so I'd expect people did what we did, we all brought our own gravy boats...so....that probably kept the numbers down!!!

paddyisreal · 19-04-2021 6:20pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Hi Gozunda, Dr Glynn was just asked about this and has confirmed that he reports all deaths with Covid19 whether or not it is the cause of death.

Well Dr Glynn obviously didn't run that by Gozunda before todays press conference

ypres5 · 19-04-2021 6:25pm

paddyisreal wrote: »

Well Dr Glynn obviously didn't run that by Gozunda before todays press conference

That lovely word salad gone to waste...

19-04-2021 6:38pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

No but to be fair...we were warned about the lethal nature of passing the gravy boat at family dinner occasions last Christmas, so I'd expect people did what we did, we all brought our own gravy boats...so....that probably kept the numbers down!!!

And poor Grandpa by the window!!

gozunda · 19-04-2021 6:40pm

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Did the Mothers Day/Patrick’s Day/Easter Surge occur or was that all forgotten about?

Not sure about Mothers Day ...

But aparently slabs of Guinness couldn’t be had for love nor money just prior to Paddys Day

And they ran out of Easter eggs the weekend before Easter if that counts

darem93 · 19-04-2021 6:41pm

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Did the Mothers Day/Patrick’s Day/Easter Surge occur or was that all forgotten about?

No it didn't and I for one am shocked, considering all the children's play dates and those people who - according to George Lee - were sitting in pubs that have been closed for months.

gozunda · 19-04-2021 6:43pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Hi Gozunda, Dr Glynn was just asked about this and has confirmed that he reports all deaths with Covid19 whether or not it is the cause of or even a factor in the death.

Ha really. Id love to see a quote and reference for that...

So we're back to old folks getting run over by a bus with Covid being put on the death Certificate? Grand so....

darconio · 19-04-2021 6:48pm

gozunda wrote: »

Well darconio. To answer that- I can read, but I'll ask- can you? Thats a very out of date document.

That's relatively old, it's a study published in July 2020, but regardless, do we want to keep ignoring the following sentence or do we want to acknowledge the fact that the number of reported deaths by covid is not real?

"As of mid April, in line with World Health Organization (WHO) guidance, death reporting was extended to include deaths both in patients with probable COVID-19 in addition to deaths among confirmed cases.
By definition, such deaths must result from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (for example, trauma)."

ypres5 · 19-04-2021 6:54pm

darconio wrote: »

That's relatively old, it's a study published in July 2020, but regardless, do we want to keep ignoring the following sentence or do we want to acknowledge the fact that the number of reported deatsh by covid is not real?

"As of mid April, in line with World Health Organization (WHO) guidance, death reporting was extended to include deaths both in patients with probable COVID-19 in addition to deaths among confirmed cases.
By definition, such deaths must result from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (for example, trauma)."

You do realize you're talking to the guy who framed northern ireland to be some dystopian hellhole where one couldn't step outside without being mauled by a gang of roaming loyalists just last week?

normanoffside · 19-04-2021 6:56pm

gozunda wrote: »

Ha really. Id love to see a quote and reference for that...

So we're back to old folks getting run over by a bus with Covid being put on the death Certificate? Grand so....

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1384185685226057743

You can watch it yourself here from 33-36 minutes

'We've been very clear since day 1 that we've reported all deaths because of or with Covid 19"

Later When asked about people with terminal illness and a short potential life span who just happened to die with covid he says they do make up a proportion of our deaths.

M_Murphy57 · 19-04-2021 6:59pm

ypres5 wrote: »

You do realize you're talking to the guy who framed northern ireland to be some dystopian hellhole where one couldn't step outside without being mauled by a gang of roaming loyalists just last week?

He didnt say they mauled everyone, just the "free staters" in their southern registered cars.

Silentcorner · 19-04-2021 7:03pm

darem93 wrote: »

No it didn't and I for one am shocked, considering all the children's play dates and those people who - according to George Lee - were sitting in pubs that have been closed for months.

Remember when they were warning us all about the danger of kid's play dates?

Honestly, what will it take for people to snap themselves out of this?

charlie14 · 19-04-2021 7:04pm

darconio wrote: »

You keep ignoring what I am trying to demonstrate with a document provided by the Health Information and Quality Authority of Ireland.

https://www.hiqa.ie/sites/default/files/2020-07/Analysis-of-excess-all-cause-mortality-in-Ireland-during-the-COVID-19-epidemic_0.pdf

Those statistics you are talking about are inflated by the amount of people that were reported as death by covid, but in reality they weren't.
They reported x people dying by covid, but the reality is that y did: how could anybody create a proper statistic if the numbers are/were not correct?

What is so difficult for you to understand in relation to a country`s official statistics ?
What you are attempting to demonstrate is using a document that is not official state statistics.

The official state statistical authority for Ireland is the Central Statistics Office.
Every country in the E.U. has one. Recognised by it`s own government and Eurostat as such. Until the CSO publish the complete records, anything else is supposition.

You have been making much of WHO "directives" and "guidelines" inflating Covid deaths. What the WHO have to say is not going to make a blind bit of difference as to what the figure is. Excess deaths when they are officially known for Ireland will do that. Same as they already do for the rest of the E.U., showing that excess deaths coincide with the various Covid waves.

If by chance your document is correct, (and on HIQA`s past record I would not bet too much on that if I was you), then it will just show how much more successful we have been in minimising Covid deaths compared to not just in the E.U. but in the world.
If you have so much faith in this document then can I take it you acknowledge that ?

Silentcorner · 19-04-2021 7:06pm

darconio wrote: »

That's relatively old, it's a study published in July 2020, but regardless, do we want to keep ignoring the following sentence or do we want to acknowledge the fact that the number of reported deaths by covid is not real?

"As of mid April, in line with World Health Organization (WHO) guidance, death reporting was extended to include deaths both in patients with probable COVID-19 in addition to deaths among confirmed cases.
By definition, such deaths must result from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (for example, trauma)."

I remember seeing a guy talking about how the WHO recently (as in before the pandemic) changed the definition of a pandemic, it used to have a minimum death rate to be considered, which they removed? I wrote the guy off at the time...

charlie14 · 19-04-2021 7:12pm

Del Griffith wrote: »

Why would I address any of your points? They have nothing to do with said. I directed you towards the coroner, you should take up your view of his professional opinion in his own trade with him.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how all "covid-related deaths" ie: the daily numbers Ireland is fed, are covid as a principal cause of death.

The way you haven't answered directly almost seems like, maybe covid isn't always the principal cause of death? But that would be wild, as they are all counted in the numbers, which is what I actually said in the first place. Odd that.

From that I take it you have an explanation for all the high E.U. excess monthly deaths that coincide with the various Covid waves.
If those excess deaths are not due to Covid, then what are they due too ?

charlie14 · 19-04-2021 7:16pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

I remember seeing a guy talking about how the WHO recently (as in before the pandemic) changed the definition of a pandemic, it used to have a minimum death rate to be considered, which they removed? I wrote the guy off at the time...

I don`t know about you, but 141Million infected and 3.01Million dead in a year looks like a pandemic to me.

Silentcorner · 19-04-2021 7:18pm

charlie14 wrote: »

I don`t know about you, but 141Million infected and 3.01Million dead in a year looks like a pandemic to me.

What percentage of them have a very short life expectancy?

arccosh · 19-04-2021 7:20pm

SACRIFICE THE SICK AND THE WEAK

charlie14 · 19-04-2021 7:27pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

What percentage of them have a very short life expectancy?

What percentage had it made even shorter by Covid ?

suicide_circus · 19-04-2021 7:27pm

SACRIFICE THE POOR AND THE YOUNG

Silentcorner · 19-04-2021 7:29pm

arccosh wrote: »

SACRIFICE THE SICK AND THE WEAK

Well...we do every year....

arccosh · 19-04-2021 7:30pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

SACRIFICE THE POOR AND THE YOUNG

Ah they'll be grand, they're not dead

arccosh · 19-04-2021 7:31pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well...we do every year....

really? never been to a sacrifice, what belief system does this?

19-04-2021 7:31pm

darconio wrote: »

That's relatively old, it's a study published in July 2020, but regardless, do we want to keep ignoring the following sentence or do we want to acknowledge the fact that the number of reported deaths by covid is not real?

"As of mid April, in line with World Health Organization (WHO) guidance, death reporting was extended to include deaths both in patients with probable COVID-19 in addition to deaths among confirmed cases.
By definition, such deaths must result from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (for example, trauma)."

Looks like you ignored it

Silentcorner · 19-04-2021 7:37pm

arccosh wrote: »

really? never been to a sacrifice, what belief system does this?

Well we don't remove virtually all our civil liberties and shut down a huge part of our economy in an attempt to save them...

19-04-2021 7:39pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

I remember seeing a guy talking about how the WHO recently (as in before the pandemic) changed the definition of a pandemic, it used to have a minimum death rate to be considered, which they removed? I wrote the guy off at the time...

This is what happens when you “see a guy talking” rather than listen to reality. The number of deaths does not and never has defined a pandemic

arccosh · 19-04-2021 7:50pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well we don't remove virtually all our civil liberties and shut down a huge part of our economy in an attempt to save them...

where've you been the last year?

Silentcorner · 19-04-2021 7:51pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This is what happens when you “see a guy talking” rather than listen to reality. The number of deaths does not and never has defined a pandemic

Good man Raind....

So the death rate isn't even considered in the definition of a pandemic...what about seriousness of illnesses or infection?

How do they discern between a mild pandemic and a severe one? Do they bother...we just lock down for any pandemic is it?

Silentcorner · 19-04-2021 7:52pm

arccosh wrote: »

where've you been the last year?

I can give you a massive list of where I haven't been?

arccosh · 19-04-2021 7:55pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

I can give you a massive list of where I haven't been?

g'wan then

Silentcorner · 19-04-2021 8:00pm

arccosh wrote: »

g'wan then

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/066ce-ireland-placed-on-full-level-5-restrictions-of-the-plan-for-living-with-covid-19/

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings