Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

paddyisreal wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/lockdown-ireland-pints-outdoor-dining-23939842

Great to see that the pressure from Northern Ireland policy's is having an effect. Harris doesn't mention it but we all know they have to start opening now.

well its a bit hard to ignore fact that we need political intervention to cut trough this, otherwise if not challenged we would be no1 like North Korea as seems only when pointed out how wrong our decisions are that goverment actually backtracks.

Graham wrote: »

That and the fact that case numbers are dropping, hospitalisations are dropping, ICU numbers are dropping, vaccinations are increasing.

Actually now I see it typed out, it makes so much more sense than some imagined 'political intervention'.

If all fairness if it wasn't for Northern Ireland loosing restrictions none of the above would matter to the government, nphet. They are been pushed to make decisions thank God.

paddyisreal wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/lockdown-ireland-pints-outdoor-dining-23939842

Great to see that the pressure from Northern Ireland policy's is having an effect. Harris doesn't mention it but we all know they have to start opening now.

The north being awash with barber/hairdresser bookings for Friday and hotels/pubs will be the same in a few weeks will have to put some pressure on

mightyreds wrote: »

The north being awash with barber/hairdresser bookings for Friday and hotels/pubs will be the same in a few weeks will have to put some pressure on

Of course it will,. There will be cars full with people going to buy jocks in pennies and a few beers afterwards and the government know it. Outdoor dining will be open here by the 2,3rd week of May I would think

Graham wrote: »

That and the fact that case numbers are dropping, hospitalisations are dropping, ICU numbers are dropping, vaccinations are increasing.

Actually now I see it typed out, it makes so much more sense than some imagined 'political intervention'.

And yet again, it needs to be pointed out, that many of us were pointing out this months ago...the surge ended at the end of Jan...it wasn't lock downs that ended it, perhaps lock downs prevented a percentage more infections, what percentage is anyone's guess...but the curve flattened itself like it always does.

You can perhaps understand caution until the end of March, and I mean level 3, but we went full caution and are still in full cautious mode....completely unnecessary and ridiculously expensive decisions that will have huge ramifications for this state.

12 months into this and the news gets better and better, we know our published death rate is completely misleading and no where near as deadly as we were led to believe, we know that healthy people do not transmit the virus, we know outdoor activity is completely safe....

We also know, in this country, what time's of the year we are most vulnerable to a surge.

If a bunch of amateurs on an online forum can be more consistently correct than our political leaders and media you'd have to put our complete lack of strong leaders as one of the most devastating elements of this whole health, economic and social mess we have created for ourselves this will takes us years to emerge from.

Graham wrote: »

Case number, hospitalisations, ICU numbers and vaccinations are the main drivers.

I do understand why that's a bitter pill for the anti-nphet brigade. It must really stick in the throat to see their approach is working.

And Northern Ireland opening up, if they were still lockdown there would be no change here and if you think any differently you haven't being paying attention to how nphet, government are amongst the most cautious in Europe over the last year.

Jesus its all unraveling isn't it

PTH2009 wrote: »

Jesus its all unraveling isn't it

What is? Your bleak outlook?

paddyisreal wrote: »

What about the variants though? we must be wary of the variants and lockdown till the second coming

Remember Micheal warning us all that the variant was essentially a new virus...that was only a little over month ago...how wrong was he!!!!!!

The started to lose a lot of people when they extended the severe lock down into March, they did that at the beginning of Feb, they warned us about Paddy's day, Mothers Day, Easter....less and less people are listening...you can see that everywhere at this stage.

darconio wrote: »

A very long hyperbole, but in conclusion, can we agree, as stated in the official document, that the death toll, in Ireland, was inflated in accordance with the WHO directives?
I'm not looking for the reason behind, can we at least admit it?

I'm not sure you understand what the word hyperbole means tbh. Everything detailed is simply based on how things are.

But nope thats not was said at all. Do read the comment again.

And btw the WHO dont do "directives".

scamalert wrote: »

but why would they relax it then if it works so good shouldn't we keep it up then for another year or two ? surely we want to save everyone no ?

not serious btw ^ but seems this is the logic pro lowdown campers are using here

You'll be able to find several posts easy enough to back up that claim then?

darconio wrote: »

A very long hyperbole, but in conclusion, can we agree, as stated in the official document, that the death toll, in Ireland, was inflated in accordance with the WHO directives?
I'm not looking for the reason behind, can we at least admit it?

What is it that you cannot get that there is no official 2020 statistical document for Ireland yet published on the number of deaths ?
The only official statistical authority for Ireland is the Central Statistics Office. It has been since 1949 and is recognised by Eurostat, a Directorate-General of the European Commission as such.
Any other figures are not officially recognised.


Would you agree that when Ireland`s official figures are know, should they be in line with these unofficial figures and guesses being bandied around, then they would show that compared to the official excess death figures of the other E.U. states now that we know their statistics, Ireland would be recognised as having kept deaths from Covid-19 proportionally lower than practically all the rest ?

gozunda wrote: »

I'm not sure you understand what the word hyperbole means tbh. Everything detailed is simply based on how things are.

But nope thats not was said at all. Do read the comment again.

And btw the WHO dont do "directives".

charlie14 wrote: »

What is it that you cannot get that there is no official 2020 statistical document for Ireland yet published on the number of deaths ?
The only official statistical authority for Ireland is the Central Statistics Office. It has been since 1949 and is recognised by Eurostat, a Directorate-General of the European Commission as such.
Any other figures are not officially recognised.


Would you agree that when Ireland`s official figures are know, should they be in line with these unofficial figures and guesses being bandied around, then they would show that compared to the official excess death figures of the other E.U. states now that we know their statistics, Ireland would be recognised as having kept deaths from Covid-19 proportionally lower than practically all the rest ?

Well guys if you cannot even read and accept what's said in an official document then I rest my case

https://www.hiqa.ie/sites/default/fi...epidemic_0.pdf

As of mid April, in line with World Health Organization (WHO) guidance, death reporting was extended to include deaths both in patients with probable COVID-19 in addition to deaths among confirmed cases.
By definition, such deaths must result from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (for example, trauma).

Del Griffith wrote: »

Load of beside the point bollocks as usual, you can argue about the principal cause of death with the solicitor and coroner (he should find it amusing that you know more about his career profession that him, but let's not digress)

Here is my actual statement which you called a lie :

"you can literally die of anything and if you test positive, you're in the numbers".

As you well know, your chums in NPHET and RTE count all "covid related deaths" in the numbers. It doesn't have to be the PCoD - it all gets scooped up for the daily numbers (tm).

I've yet to find anything in your lengthy post that qualifies my line as "bs", so feel free to elaborate on that.

I'll just leave this here too, somewhat pertinent:

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1278995351169613824

We you see del. Thats the thing - it's not a pile of 'bollocsk".

Just because it doesn't match with your world view does not mean everything else is incorrect. And yes our solicitor friend does not have a medical degree etc. But we'll park that.

But again you've completely failed to address any of the points made. And you may wish to check - nothing was called a 'lie' btw. But saying I did - is indeed a lie

And funnily enough I don't have "chums in Nphet" or RTE. I rarely look to either for data or information tbh.

As for that rather odd tweet you're relying on.

You may notice its a response an RTE article about a study which assessed the number of deaths that occurred in Ireland from 11 March to 16 June 2020 relative to the expected number of deaths, using data from the death notices website RIP.ie.

We now know that death notices from RIP etc are not a reliable source of data for deaths. And if you wish to take that rather poor RTE article as proof of something or other by virtue of Leo making a comment on it. On your head be it.

Interestingly though enough Dr Teljeur Senior statistician / Trinity College Dublin - is contrast to the general tone and quoted in the linked article states that the official figure of 1,700 deaths as a result of the virus is correct and while it may be a slight overestimate it is an accurate estimate and the reality is that those people did die as a result of contracting the virus. 

And back to your "statement". It remains it's little more than bullstuff.

For example - If you get hit and killed by a bus - having previously having contracted Covid (but got better despite having a dicky heart) - your death certificate will NOT list Covid as a cause of death.

You may also appreciate - that Ireland has a fairly low death rate - so if as you claim they're exaggerating deaths. They're not doing a very good job of it are they?