GLAS thread

Farrell · 12-05-2016 7:30pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

Myself. Gave results to ag consultant. In NPWS farm plan, don't have to pay consultant, they do up plan as part of scheme.

Bought a soil sampler, going to take a few myself for ground not in GLAS, and send to Waterford.
Do you send in cores or do you mince before sending?

Capercaillie · 12-05-2016 8:02pm

Farrell wrote: »

Bought a soil sampler, going to take a few myself for ground not in GLAS, and send to Waterford.
Do you send in cores or do you mince before sending?

mixed.

Base price · 12-05-2016 8:10pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

Soil samples look expensive. What you get done, P,K,Lime?

Yep. 11 samples at €12.50 each. I think it the company is called FBA in either wexford or waterford. Planner did not charge an additional fee to take the samples.

Capercaillie · 12-05-2016 8:24pm

Base price wrote: »

Yep. 11 samples at €12.50 each. I think it the company is called FBA in either wexford or waterford. Planner did not charge an additional fee to take the samples.

that's about fair, considering you sent 11 samples away

Base price · 13-05-2016 10:04pm

Anyone have advice as to which mix is best for wild bird cover. We have never done this before. We decided not to go with kale. I want to put in oats as I think it will take well but I don't know what else to put with it.

Capercaillie · 13-05-2016 10:09pm

Base price wrote: »

Anyone have advice as to which mix is best for wild bird cover. We have never done this before. We decided not to go with kale. I want to put in oats as I think it will take well but I don't know what else to put with it.

I planted a mix of kale/triticale/kale. Two year crop. My place is exposed so triticale will act as nursery crop.

Base price · 13-05-2016 10:21pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

I planted a mix of kale/triticale/kale. Two year crop. My place is exposed so triticale will act as nursery crop.

We don't want to use kale as it would mean a lot of additional fencing when we let the cattle in to clean off the wbc. Our wbc is in two separate areas of the farm, one beside a lake and the other adjoining a natural scrub/marshy/rushy half acre of no mans land that is fenced off so that the cattle cannot get into it.

Kovu · 13-05-2016 10:46pm

Our area is close to boggy/marsh similar to your second piece of wbc Base Price. So we've gone with oats & linseed.
We know the oats will take as we reseeded a marshier/heavier sort of field with it just below our selected area. Linseed seems to grow well in heavy soils too and as it's in a median sort of area between hill & bog/marsh ground, I'm not worried about it getting too waterlogged.

Muckit · 13-05-2016 11:38pm

You then when the inspector is not looking make porridge of the oats and put linseeds on top!! Feck the birds!!!!

Kovu · 14-05-2016 12:02am

Muckit wrote: »

You then when the inspector is not looking make porridge of the oats and put linseeds on top!! Feck the birds!!!!

But maybe I am a wild bird.....

limo_100 · 14-05-2016 1:01am

Just wondering how everyone else is getting on with there meadows and what fertilizer you spread and how much to the acre. I'm going to shake mine this coming week

Ashill5 · 14-05-2016 2:20pm

Just wondering if it possible to alter plan alter Glas plan after it has been submitted & approved.

Water John · 14-05-2016 3:02pm

Not definite, but I think no is the answer.

pheasant tail · 14-05-2016 4:18pm

Ashill5 wrote: »

Just wondering if it possible to alter plan alter Glas plan after it has been submitted & approved.

You can take certain actions out of the plan entirely, or reduce the size of area based actions on BPS but you cannot move actions or change parcels etc

Ashill5 · 14-05-2016 4:35pm

Thanks,
I'm down for meadows but have a serious infestation of docks. And considering of putting in a few sheep to clear them as spraying is out.

pheasant tail · 14-05-2016 7:22pm

Ashill5 wrote: »

Thanks,
I'm down for meadows but have a serious infestation of docks. And considering of putting in a few sheep to clear them as spraying is out.

You can still spot spray and graze outside the specified dates if it's any good to you. If you want to reduce the size if the meadows you'll have to do it before BPS closes tomorrow

Cavanjack · 14-05-2016 7:45pm

pheasant tail wrote: »

You can still spot spray and graze outside the specified dates if it's any good to you. If you want to reduce the size if the meadows you'll have to do it before BPS closes tomorrow

How can they tell if you've sprayed or not unless they catch you at it?

Birdnuts · 14-05-2016 8:05pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

How can they tell if you've sprayed or not unless they catch you at it?

Dead and dieing vegetation would be a giveaway eg. its pretty obvious when a field has been spot sprayed for nettles etc. Anyone with even a passing interest in such things would spot that and it would be obvious for a few weeks after spraying

The Cuban · 14-05-2016 9:18pm

limo_100 wrote: »

Just wondering how everyone else is getting on with there meadows and what fertilizer you spread and how much to the acre. I'm going to shake mine this coming week

Slurry + Urea as usual for the Hay meadows (Cough cough Silage)
Had the cattle graze the fields tight up to mid April (Cough cough Again May)
Spread a coat of slurry then 1 bag of Urea to the acre.
hope to be cutting the Hay after the 1st of July. (Cough cough sure if the Weather isnt at 30C then I`ll have to wrap it)
Ive a bad chest, must be Hay-fever

Capercaillie · 14-05-2016 9:48pm

The Cuban wrote: »

Slurry + Urea as usual for the Hay meadows (Cough cough Silage)
Had the cattle graze the fields tight up to mid April (Cough cough Again May)
Spread a coat of slurry then 1 bag of Urea to the acre.
hope to be cutting the Hay after the 1st of July. (Cough cough sure if the Weather isnt at 30C then I`ll have to wrap it)
Ive a bad chest, must be Hay-fever

. No wonder general public lambast farmers for getting REPS/GLAS money for doing nothing.

charolais0153 · 14-05-2016 10:43pm

Are you allowed to resseed in glass. In with less and sandpit for bees and stone walls

pheasant tail · 15-05-2016 1:09am

charolais0153 wrote: »

Are you allowed to resseed in glass. In with less and sandpit for bees and stone walls

Not allowed to reseed areas selected for meadows, low input, SAC and if you've some land designated for birds

limo_100 · 15-05-2016 1:09am

The Cuban wrote: »

Slurry + Urea as usual for the Hay meadows (Cough cough Silage)
Had the cattle graze the fields tight up to mid April (Cough cough Again May)
Spread a coat of slurry then 1 bag of Urea to the acre.
hope to be cutting the Hay after the 1st of July. (Cough cough sure if the Weather isnt at 30C then I`ll have to wrap it)
Ive a bad chest, must be Hay-fever

I have the same fecking cough closed the meadows 2 weeks ago topped them after that was thing of going with 3 bags of 18-6-12 or 20-2.5-12 silage gold with 2% sulphur and 2 bags of gran lime to the acre. Its land that wasn't meadowed in years and didn't get much fertilizer either and I have no access to slurry either. what do use think if 18-6-12 the way to go?? I will also wrap at the first sign of trouble

Qprmeath · 15-05-2016 9:10am

Silly question but is there any suggested heights or fixing regulations for bat and bird boxes?

pheasant tail · 15-05-2016 9:43am

Qprmeath wrote: »

Silly question but is there any suggested heights or fixing regulations for bat and bird boxes?

Birds 2.5m and bats 4m is what's recommended

Base price · 15-05-2016 9:43am

Qprmeath wrote: »

Silly question but is there any suggested heights or fixing regulations for bat and bird boxes?

Bat boxes - four meters off the ground and 3 per tree or post facing different directions - north, south, east or west.
Don't know about bird boxes.
Edit to say: a meter clearance around the bat box - no ivy or branches in the way.

pheasant tail · 15-05-2016 10:40am

Base price wrote: »

Bat boxes - four meters off the ground and 3 per tree or post facing different directions - north, south, east or west.
Don't know about bird boxes.
Edit to say: a meter clearance around the bat box - no ivy or branches in the way.

Correct and the bird boxes should face North East if possible, it doesn't matter where exactly they go in the parcel as long as the boxes stay within the parcel selected on the application

Muckit · 15-05-2016 10:49am

pheasant tail wrote: »

Birds 2.5m and bats 4m is what's recommended

Also put 3 bat boxes on one tree/post facing in different directions . I had inspection and had one on it's own and was told to move it.

Also for those fencing watercourses, he stepped the distance posts out from it, so keep out the distance!!

50HX · 15-05-2016 11:17am

what kind of posts are ye putting up for the bat boxes?

4mtrs up and 1 mtr under ground is a fair length of a post

i'm caught for trees in the parcel they moved the boxes to....can't be in the same parcel as HH

pheasant tail · 15-05-2016 11:45am

Muckit wrote: »

Also put 3 bat boxes on one tree/post facing in different directions . I had inspection and had one on it's own and was told to move it.

Also for those fencing watercourses, he stepped the distance posts out from it, so keep out the distance!!

Yea same with any sheds etc, only 1 box per external wall. When inspected and told you to move it, had you other boxes in the same parcel to make up the numbers? For example, 2 other bat boxes on the same parcel..

Muckit · 15-05-2016 7:16pm

I had the required number of boxes, all in yhrees bar last two trees where l had put 2 on on tree and 1 on other. Inspector said it was 15 for a reason ie 5 groups of 3. I am blessed that have plenty of oak and ash trees for both bat and bird boxes. As said wouldn't like to be mounting on pole. Pain in hole.

Qprmeath · 15-05-2016 10:01pm

Thanks everyone I'm going out to install tomorrow. Now where's my compass.......

Water John · 15-05-2016 10:03pm

Natures compass, moss grows on the northern side.

Base price · 15-05-2016 10:21pm

Water John wrote: »

Natures compass, moss grows on the northern side.

Not true in my experience. Moss will grow where there is no continuous direct sunlight. However I will stand corrected

Muckit · 15-05-2016 10:25pm

Which is usually on the north side of a hedge or building or whatever

Base price · 15-05-2016 10:39pm

Muckit wrote: »

Which is usually on the north side of a hedge or building or whatever

As I said moss will grow where there is no direct sunlight eg if your land is surrounded by mature/semi mature forestry :mad:

darragh_haven · 15-05-2016 11:01pm

Our plan said to have 3 groups of 5 bat boxes. Had to check again to be sure after reading this thread.

Base price · 15-05-2016 11:04pm

darragh_haven wrote: »

Our plan said to have 3 groups of 5 bat boxes. Had to check again to be sure after reading this thread.

3 bat boxes per tree/post.

darragh_haven · 15-05-2016 11:16pm

Base price wrote: »

3 bat boxes per tree/post.

No. Confirmed with planner. 5 on our plan. Not normally 5 but planner said he's seen it on others too.

Base price · 15-05-2016 11:18pm

darragh_haven wrote: »

No. Confirmed with planner. 5 on our plan. Not normally 5 but planner said he's seen it on others too.

??
Read the specifications off the scheme.
I'm not doubting your planner, as your area maybe different to the national average due to geographical location ??

Muckit · 16-05-2016 6:58am

darragh_haven wrote: »

Our plan said to have 3 groups of 5 bat boxes. Had to check again to be sure after reading this thread.

Your planner must have got it arseways. It should be 5 groups of 3. Can't see why you should be any different. How would they physically fit around a tree/pole if you think about it.

Remember its dept you have to keep happy not planner. A phonecall might be in order to GLAS in Wexford.

ganmo · 16-05-2016 9:19am

Muckit wrote: »

Your planner must have got it arseways. It should be 5 groups of 3. Can't see why you should be any different. How would they physically fit around a tree/pole if you think about it.

Remember its dept you have to keep happy not planner. A phonecall might be in order to GLAS in Wexford.

The option was per box you could have picked up to 15 but any number up to 15 is possible

the traditional hay meadow can be made as silage provided that you turn it twice

limo_100 · 16-05-2016 10:25am

ganmo wrote: »

The option was per box you could have picked up to 15 but any number up to 15 is possible

the traditional hay meadow can be made as silage provided that you turn it twice

how much fertilizer did you put on your traditional hay meadow?? If it was turned twice would it not be turned in haylage and not silage?

ganmo · 16-05-2016 11:36am

limo_100 wrote: »

how much fertilizer did you put on your traditional hay meadow?? If it was turned twice would it not be turned in haylage and not silage?

didn't pick that option as we need the ground for grazing till June.
Shake it out and row it up would be turning twice imo. No need to leave it dry out

pheasant tail · 16-05-2016 6:02pm

limo_100 wrote: »

how much fertilizer did you put on your traditional hay meadow?? If it was turned twice would it not be turned in haylage and not silage?

Bailed silage is ok, once it's not pit silage

limo_100 · 19-05-2016 10:41pm

did the ploughing for the wild bird cover today has everyone else got it done?

Kovu · 19-05-2016 10:52pm

limo_100 wrote: »

did the ploughing for the wild bird cover today has everyone else got it done?

Yep, did it a couple of days ago and fenced it off, will be power harrowing it at the weekend, then sowing.

limo_100 · 20-05-2016 12:04am

Kovu wrote: »

Yep, did it a couple of days ago and fenced it off, will be power harrowing it at the weekend, then sowing.

how did it turn out we didn't bother spraying it off, will power harrow and disc it next week then seed it. Did you have pick many stone? ours is up in the bottoms there stones up there the size of lorry tires will have to pick as many as we can we where building the hedges with the stones this evening there lots of fun ahead of us yet

Kovu · 20-05-2016 12:12am

limo_100 wrote: »

how did it turn out we didn't bother spraying it off, will power harrow and disc it next week then seed it. Did you have pick many stone? ours is up in the bottoms there stones up there the size of lorry tires will have to pick as many as we can we where building the hedges with the stones this evening there lots of fun ahead of us yet

No spraying done here either, just topped it all clean and ploughed straight.
Stones? Ha! We chose a patch of ground on the outfarm- a townland known to have zero stones in it, sure why would we be making extra work for ourselves.

Don't think we're discing ours, hasn't been mentioned anyway. Then chain harrow it for seeding. It's all a bit up in the air at the moment tbh!

limo_100 · 20-05-2016 12:25am

Kovu wrote: »

No spraying done here either, just topped it all clean and ploughed straight.
Stones? Ha! We chose a patch of ground on the outfarm- a townland known to have zero stones in it, sure why would we be making extra work for ourselves.
Don't think we're discing ours, hasn't been mentioned anyway. Then chain harrow it for seeding. It's all a bit up in the air at the moment tbh!

no stones im very jealous of you :mad: We thought it be good to get rid of them for going back to pasture down the line. Did you do upland or lowland ours would be good peaty soil i think.Would it need to be chain harrowed after the land leveler

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