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Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

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    #3032
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,394 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I think he paid back 22% of the loan but I could be wrong. His assets were much more considerable than that, he had access to more money if needed but the bank forgave him, he had a good pension and an valuable house.


    I doubt that the farmer would be given such a big write off about 78% I think buy again I may be wrong.

    Why should the farmer be given a write-off?
    It's not JUST the bank that this guy owes - the bank and indeed the revenue can sometimes appear faceless, big bad organisations.
    But when you owe your local suppliers thousands and default on those, you should lose all sympathy.


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    #3033
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    kippy wrote: »
    Why should the farmer be given a write-off?

    He actually might have gotten one.....IF he talked to the bank.


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    #3034
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    kippy wrote: »
    You do of course know why the vast majority of people (including those from the groups that you reference), DONT do the same as the minority.........

    Can you give up on this strawman, it's completely pointless.


    Garret Fitzgerald was the leader of FG and the PM of Ireland. He should really set a good example otherwise people will follow his bad lead.



    Why do you keep commenting on these points if you dont want them answered? And why do you tell me to stop commenting on this point when you yourself are commenting on it?


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    #3035
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    He actually might have gotten one.....IF he talked to the bank.


    That is of course possible but I suspect that would not have been the case. The substantial asset of the farm would be wanted by the bank I would think.


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    #3036
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,394 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I am answering other posted questions and points. I am drawing a line showing how not taking responsibility for ones debts can lead to a culture of people believing they need not honour their financial commitments.

    None of it is relevant. As mentioned there's a far bigger culture of people doing the right thing..thankfully.

    (I do get your point btw - it's bad to let people off the hook - so why let this guy off the hook)


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    #3037
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    kippy wrote: »
    Why should the farmer be given a write-off?
    It's not JUST the bank that this guy owes - the bank and indeed the revenue can sometimes appear faceless, big bad organisations.
    But when you owe your local suppliers thousands and default on those, you should lose all sympathy.


    I didn't say he should be given a write off. I said I think he would not have been given write off.


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    #3038
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,394 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Garret Fitzgerald was the leader of FG and the PM of Ireland. He should really set a good example otherwise people will follow his bad lead.



    Why do you keep commenting on these points if you dont want them answered? And why do you tell me to stop commenting on this point when you yourself are commenting on it?

    Ara look, Bertie Ahern was the same - he didn't even have a bank account as minister for finance, made thousands on the horses according to himself. What example does that set?
    All irrelevant.

    Anyone who firmly believes that POLITICIANS (the biggest liars out there) should be setting good example has absolutely no appreciation for the issues at play here.

    You're making excuses for these guys with some completely irrelevant stuff.


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    #3039
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,394 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I didn't say he should be given a write off. I said I think we would not have been given write off.

    Plenty of "Normal" people who have hit tough times over the past decade or more have been assisted by their creditors to find a solution.


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    #3040
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,194 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Garret Fitzgerald was the leader of FG and the PM of Ireland. He should really set a good example otherwise people will follow his bad lead.



    Why do you keep commenting on these points if you dont want them answered? And why do you tell me to stop commenting on this point when you yourself are commenting on it?


    I am happy to condemn the actions of both Fitzgerald and McGann, and any other chancer you choose to reference.

    Now, either you think they both were wrong, or you think they both were right.

    It is fair to think better of Fitzgerald, because of a positive contribution to society, and his willingness to engage with the lenders, and worse of McGann because of his refusal to engage with any of his debts and his support for vigilante mobs. However, I won't ask you to go that far.


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    #3041
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    kippy wrote: »
    None of it is relevant. As mentioned there's a far bigger culture of people doing the right thing..thankfully.

    (I do get your point btw - it's bad to let people off the hook - so why let this guy off the hook)


    I think the example of politicians, bankers and property developers being seen to be or treated differently from "ordinary" breeds a them and us view from some people. This damages the democratic system, people start to believe that the system is set up against them and they then are marginalized from the state. They end up not believing the news, they end up not engaging with politicians and not respecting the police or other arms of the state. They then have no investment in protecting the state or rule of law.


    I never said this guy should have his debt forgiven.


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    #3042
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Is this your idea of a serious comment?

    Yes when dealing with someone who wears nappies 24 hours a day


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    #3043
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    It'll be interesting if the legal team find flaws in the court order.....compo time


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    #3044
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,394 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I think the example of politicians, bankers and property developers being seen to be or treated differently from "ordinary" breeds a them and us view from some people. This damages the democratic system, people start to believe that the system is set up against them and they then are marginalized from the state. They end up not believing the news, they end up not engaging with politicians and not respecting the police or other arms of the state. They then have no investment in protecting the state or rule of law.


    I never said this guy should have his debt forgiven.

    You'll never keep everyone happy all of the time. But the vast majority of people get on with things in an honourable and lawful way perhaps despite the types of behaviour you have brought up in your first paragraph.
    Why should the expectation of the behaviour of this person be any different?

    Why are you making excuses for them?


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    #3045
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I am happy to condemn the actions of both Fitzgerald and McGann, and any other chancer you choose to reference.

    Now, either you think they both were wrong, or you think they both were right.

    It is fair to think better of Fitzgerald, because of a positive contribution to society, and his willingness to engage with the lenders, and worse of McGann because of his refusal to engage with any of his debts and his support for vigilante mobs. However, I won't ask you to go that far.

    You should change your nickname to Castleknock152 where your glorious leader Leo is from, suits you.
    Fitzgerald got that massive writedown at the time, the usual FG fanboys never even blinked. People like top politicians and bankers should lead by example and pay their debts instead of getting handouts.
    You've made an allegation against the poor farmer having support for vigilante, where is your proof?


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    #3046
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I am happy to condemn the actions of both Fitzgerald and McGann, and any other chancer you choose to reference.

    Now, either you think they both were wrong, or you think they both were right.

    It is fair to think better of Fitzgerald, because of a positive contribution to society, and his willingness to engage with the lenders, and worse of McGann because of his refusal to engage with any of his debts and his support for vigilante mobs. However, I won't ask you to go that far.


    Fitzgerald was in a position of privilege, when he had a moral decision to make, pay his debts back ( remember he had plenty of assets and a big pension) or not, he choose to take the easy road not the moral road. In some ways that is worse. He as a leader choose Greed (hard word) over morality.


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    #3047
    heroics
    Registered Users Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭heroics


    klaaaz wrote: »
    You should change your nickname to Castleknock152 where your glorious leader Leo is from, suits you.
    Fitzgerald got that massive writedown at the time, the usual FG fanboys never even blinked. People like top politicians and bankers should lead by example and pay their debts instead of getting handouts.
    You've made an allegation against the poor farmer having support for vigilante, where is your proof?

    😂😂 poor farmer. He underdeclared Vat of 177000€ so he must have a fair turnover for that much VAT to be owed.


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    #3048
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Edgware wrote: »
    Yes when dealing with someone who wears nappies 24 hours a day


    Your comments are very childish. You should be more constructive in your comments.


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    #3049
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,952 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    nullzero wrote: »
    Loyalist isn't a term of abuse, nor is it bigoted.

    In this context, when talking about private security men, hired to carry out an eviction, the term 'Loyalist' is not a pejorative? LOLZ

    No one is buying that but you. Why even mention it so?

    The term was used in a sectarian, bigoted manner. Own it and be honest about it, instead of deflecting.


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    #3050
    simongurnick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    Amazing how so many people on here seem to know intricate details of this farmers dealings with KBC bank.


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    #3051
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    kippy wrote: »

    Anyone who firmly believes that POLITICIANS (the biggest liars out there) should be setting good example has absolutely no appreciation for the issues at play here.

    Is that what you meant to say ?

    If it is, no wonder I keep getting the government that you deserve.


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    #3052
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,194 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    klaaaz wrote: »
    You should change your nickname to Castleknock152 where your glorious leader Leo is from, suits you.
    Fitzgerald got that massive writedown at the time, the usual FG fanboys never even blinked. People like top politicians and bankers should lead by example and pay their debts instead of getting handouts.
    You've made an allegation against the poor farmer having support for vigilante, where is your proof?


    OK, benefitted from the actions of a vigilante mob. Is that a more accurate description?

    As for your description of him as a "poor" farmer, that is as delusional as the rest of your posts on the issue.


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    #3053
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    heroics wrote: »
    ���� poor farmer. He underdeclared Vat of 177000€ so he must have a fair turnover for that much VAT to be owed.

    "Poor" Fitzgerald who was never violently thrown out of his home got a writeoff and kept his luxurious home.


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    #3054
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,194 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    simongurnick wrote: »
    Amazing how so many people on here seem to know intricate details of this farmers dealings with KBC bank.


    There are court records and hard details that have been reported in the newspapers. Maybe you have some hard information to contradict them?

    It is amazing how many naive people think that he is some poor innocent.


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    #3055
    simongurnick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    blanch152 wrote: »
    There are court records and hard details that have been reported in the newspapers. Maybe you have some hard information to contradict them?

    It is amazing how many naive people think that he is some poor innocent.

    where did I say he is a poor innocent?


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    #3056
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    blanch152 wrote: »
    There are court records and hard details that have been reported in the newspapers. Maybe you have some hard information to contradict them?

    It is amazing how many naive people think that he is some poor innocent.

    Do the court records available online include a copy of the Court Order ? I looked but couldn't find as did one or two others, I think.

    I don't think many see McGann as an innocent, by the way. Quite the opposite.


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    #3057
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    simongurnick wrote: »
    Amazing how so many people on here seem to know intricate details of this farmers dealings with KBC bank.

    It’s in the public domain. He was visited numerous times by the Sherrif before the eviction. No one to blame for his situation (and embarrassing his family) but himself.


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    #3058
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    klaaaz wrote: »
    "Poor" Fitzgerald who was never violently thrown out of his home got a writeoff and kept his luxurious home.

    Er, he SOLD his home to pay the debt.


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    #3059
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,394 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Is that what you meant to say ?

    If it is, no wonder I keep getting the government that you deserve.

    One would be very naive to believe anything that politicians say.
    Apologies for stating the obvious.


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    #3060
    caff
    Registered Users Posts: 954 ✭✭✭caff


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Do the court records available online include a copy of the Court Order ? I looked but couldn't find as did one or two others, I think.

    I don't think many see McGann as an innocent, by the way. Quite the opposite.
    They are online but unfortunately you have to pay for access its a **** system to access court records and should be changed


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    #3061
    alias no.9
    Registered Users Posts: 6,264 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    klaaaz wrote: »
    "Poor" Fitzgerald who was never violently thrown out of his home got a writeoff and kept his luxurious home.

    He voluntarily sold his home to pay down what he could from the debt, he had no other assets according to tribunal evidence. He did have a pension income which should in my opinion have been taken into account but it wasn't.


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