With all this corona virus stuff going on, does anyone smell an invasion?

4068ac1elhodqr · 26-04-2020 7:15pm

Adam9213 wrote: »

Sorry I don't get what you mean if you can explain differently?

With many old peoples homes quickly becoming empty (and being viewed as high-risk infectious COVID locations), Ireland could please the EU partners by offering to take more economic migrants from across Europe.

It's certainly not an invasion.
But would alter the population of a country (see Sweden), well depending on the numbers. e.g. Turkey is currently trying to offload about 3million folks into Europe, that it no longer wants. Greece/Italy are both indicating problems with numbers also.

StupidLikeAFox · 26-04-2020 7:40pm

Adam9213 wrote: »

There's probably an invasion coming along any day now, they can conveniently push the dead children killed by UK and British forces back to the last 5 minutes of news where everyone has already flicked over to the Simpsons once they've heard about the 90 year olds who can barely walk tragically taken by the corona virus.

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storker · 26-04-2020 8:55pm

Adam9213 wrote: »

The thing about conspiracy theories are if you have solid evidence it's no longer known as a conspiracy really is it?

That's true to some extent but the problem is that in my experience the vast majority of supporters of these...interpretations of events...aren't presenting them as conspiracy theory, but rather as conspiracy fact.

Conspiracy theory is a silly word though and is used to discredit genuine thoughts of what happened or is happening, the word is associated with UFOs and holocaust denial and things like that whereas a conspiracy theory is basically just any theory that challenges the status quo.

The conspiracy theory faithful have only themselves to thank for that.

Adam9213 · 26-04-2020 9:20pm

storker wrote: »

That's true to some extent but the problem is that in my experience the vast majority of supporters of these...interpretations of events...aren't presenting them as conspiracy theory, but rather as conspiracy fact.

The conspiracy theory faithful have only themselves to thank for that.

But the "conspiracy theory faithful" are not one specific group of people, someone who rants and raves about UFOs has no connection whatsoever to someone who claims a government has a different agenda for doing something than they claim.

Cheerful Spring2 · 26-04-2020 9:36pm

Adam9213 wrote: »

There's probably an invasion coming along any day now, they can conveniently push the dead children killed by UK and British forces back to the last 5 minutes of news where everyone has already flicked over to the Simpsons once they've heard about the 90 year olds who can barely walk tragically taken by the corona virus.

Invasion by who and where? They're a lot of countries in the world.

Cheerful Spring2 · 26-04-2020 9:44pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just to add to this tin foil hat conspiracy there is an interesting article in the Sunday Times today stating that Chinese Naval forces are pushing and nudging further into other countries territories.

Taiwan, Malaysia, Philippines and Vietnam to name a few. To date they've got involved in indirect actions with coastguard vessels and fishing boats of the above nations.

The Yanks unfortunately are tied up elsewhere however with other problems ie, the crews of their two carriers Reagan and Roosevelt being both laid up with Covid 19.

Coincidentally, one of the Chinese destroyers leading these incursions is called 'Wuhan'.

You heard it here first folks.
The op is right!!

That's not new. That's old info. China build new islands on the South seas and if you think about it is impressive. They have now militarized them. The biggest fear is one day China will invade Taiwan. China goal is to invade it by 2030 or 2050 by force. There now building air carriers so they can project power outside their borders. Soon or later China and US will end up in a war, it will happen within the next 50 years. People often forget China and US already fought a war in Korea.

storker · 26-04-2020 9:56pm

Adam9213 wrote: »

But the "conspiracy theory faithful" are not one specific group of people, someone who rants and raves about UFOs has no connection whatsoever to someone who claims a government has a different agenda for doing something than they claim.

That depends on how different an agenda is being discussed. Some scenarios are more plausible than others. The "ranting and raving" isn't confined to claims about UFOs, although to be fair I haven't seen anything that I'd describe as ranting and raving, but I've seen plenty confidently and often arrogantly declare their version of events to be completely accurate based only on a mixture of innuendo, selective presentation of supporting information, and half-understood science. And these people are very common and they do represent a specific group of people, grouped not by their pet theory, but rather by their behavior.

Adam9213 · 26-04-2020 10:11pm

storker wrote: »

That depends on how different an agenda is being discussed. Some scenarios are more plausible than others. The "ranting and raving" isn't confined to claims about UFOs, although to be fair I haven't seen anything that I'd describe as ranting and raving, but I've seen plenty confidently and often arrogantly declare their version of events to be completely accurate based only on a mixture of innuendo, selective presentation of supporting information, and half-understood science. And these people are very common and they do represent a specific group of people, grouped not by their pet theory, but rather by their behavior.

A conspiracy theory is any theory that goes against the status quo, in a way we we are all conspiracy theorists.

Have you ever held an opinion that is different to the status quo? About a war? An Invasion? An assasination? Something you believe is happening in a country? endless things I could come up with if you have a different theory to any of that stuff that would make you a conspiracy theorist as well, or do you believe everything you hear on the news? Every reason the government says they have for doing something?

Or do you just believe everything you see? Back when in people in Ireland used to claim to claim the British intelligence services were using loyalists to carry out assassinations on their behalf they were called conspiracy theorists, what are they called now psychics?

if you have education on a subject conspiracy theories aren't far fetched crazy ideas they are logical ideas on things that are happening in the world.

JL555 · 26-04-2020 10:13pm

Emmersonn wrote: »

Left or right fist.

The opposite to which one is normally used.

Adam9213 · 26-04-2020 10:16pm

storker wrote: »

That depends on how different an agenda is being discussed. Some scenarios are more plausible than others. The "ranting and raving" isn't confined to claims about UFOs, although to be fair I haven't seen anything that I'd describe as ranting and raving, but I've seen plenty confidently and often arrogantly declare their version of events to be completely accurate based only on a mixture of innuendo, selective presentation of supporting information, and half-understood science. And these people are very common and they do represent a specific group of people, grouped not by their pet theory, but rather by their behavior.

When Bloody Sunday happened in Northern Ireland people in England who claimed the army were covering up a massacre of unarmed civilians were called conspiracy theorists, people who have theories on things that happened don't like to refer to those theories as conspiracy theories it only serves to discredit those theories.

Keyzer · 27-04-2020 8:54am

Adam9213 wrote: »

There's probably an invasion coming along any day now, they can conveniently push the dead children killed by UK and British forces back to the last 5 minutes of news where everyone has already flicked over to the Simpsons once they've heard about the 90 year olds who can barely walk tragically taken by the corona virus.

You need to join ranks with Gemma O'D and the sage Waters... They'd love you.

Dohnjoe · 27-04-2020 12:00pm

Adam9213 wrote: »

A conspiracy theory is any theory that goes against the status quo, in a way we we are all conspiracy theorists.

Have you ever held an opinion that is different to the status quo? About a war? An Invasion? An assasination? Something you believe is happening in a country? endless things I could come up with if you have a different theory to any of that stuff that would make you a conspiracy theorist as well, or do you believe everything you hear on the news? Every reason the government says they have for doing something?

Or do you just believe everything you see? Back when in people in Ireland used to claim to claim the British intelligence services were using loyalists to carry out assassinations on their behalf they were called conspiracy theorists, what are they called now psychics?

if you have education on a subject conspiracy theories aren't far fetched crazy ideas they are logical ideas on things that are happening in the world.

Conspiracies, corruption, collusion, etc happen on a regular basis

"Conspiracy theorists" aren't really interested in that stuff, they gravitate towards the more far-fetched theories, usually underpinned by a paranoia of authority/establishment and a cynical world view that X government or entity are behind certain events.

Cheerful Spring2 · 03-05-2020 3:47am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Conspiracies, corruption, collusion, etc happen on a regular basis

"Conspiracy theorists" aren't really interested in that stuff, they gravitate towards the more far-fetched theories, usually underpinned by a paranoia of authority/establishment and a cynical world view that X government or entity are behind certain events.

We had the 1 percent forcing austerity on people after the 2008 bank crisis. Who was pushing this austerity? Was the elite in the banks and politicians. It was working people who handed over cash to pay for this reckless gambling. You have this weird world view the authority/establishment gives a **** about you, they don't. The Austerity prove of it, you're a number. There many reasons to be cynical of the global system when we have multiple wars started because of fake intelligence. Iraq War the leaders of the world lied, and they knew it, and still didn't give a crap. Debunkers just have memories of a fish and forgotten things or just any bit of commonsense beaten out of them by life and who they spend time with and listen to. Sometimes you can't fix stupid either :rolleyes:

Dohnjoe · 03-05-2020 6:47pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It was working people who handed over cash to pay for this reckless gambling.

The 2008 financial crisis was caused by a large number of factors, all underpinned by "bubble thinking", the notion that house prices wouldn't significantly drop. It wasn't a "conspiracy" as such, just a severe failing on many levels, including on the level of regulators, rating agencies, financial institutions, shadow banking, government, lenders, buyers, public.

In the US, politicians, on both sides, universally rejected the bailout, they had little appetite to throw cash at over-leveraged, under-capitalised banks, no one did. Few tears were shed when Lehman's went under. But when the entire system came under threat, i.e. that their constituents might not be able to withdraw money from ATMs for their weekly groceries, that's when they had no option but to take action, and vote for the bailout. For TARP, taxpayers money was lent to banks to fund their intraday activity (and lack of liquidity), the banks paid this back with interest. At the end, the taxpayers actually made a small profit. Old testament justice is great and all, but the problem had to be dealt with. Pointing fingers and punishing people on a sinking ship is not going to stop the ship sinking.

Austerity, controversial, whatever but in a country like Greece, where they cooked the books for years, tax-dodging was/is a national sport and public servants were retiring in their 40's - it was a potential solution, rather than neverending spending and defaults-ville

As always there were/are individual corrupt politicians, unethical & greedy CEO's, irresponsible lenders/borrowers, I know quite a few people who bought houses they clearly couldn't afford. But in your world view it's all some big black and white "master plan" by nefarious players, like "Secret Nazi's", and the "elite" who all magically work together to cause financial crises, assassinate presidents and blow up the Twin Towers. Cool, but your limited imagination is, as demonstrated so many times, not representative of reality.

Cheerful Spring2 · 08-05-2020 10:43am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The 2008 financial crisis was caused by a large number of factors, all underpinned by "bubble thinking", the notion that house prices wouldn't significantly drop. It wasn't a "conspiracy" as such, just a severe failing on many levels, including on the level of regulators, rating agencies, financial institutions, shadow banking, government, lenders, buyers, public.

In the US, politicians, on both sides, universally rejected the bailout, they had little appetite to throw cash at over-leveraged, under-capitalised banks, no one did. Few tears were shed when Lehman's went under. But when the entire system came under threat, i.e. that their constituents might not be able to withdraw money from ATMs for their weekly groceries, that's when they had no option but to take action, and vote for the bailout. For TARP, taxpayers money was lent to banks to fund their intraday activity (and lack of liquidity), the banks paid this back with interest. At the end, the taxpayers actually made a small profit. Old testament justice is great and all, but the problem had to be dealt with. Pointing fingers and punishing people on a sinking ship is not going to stop the ship sinking.

Austerity, controversial, whatever but in a country like Greece, where they cooked the books for years, tax-dodging was/is a national sport and public servants were retiring in their 40's - it was a potential solution, rather than neverending spending and defaults-ville

As always there were/are individual corrupt politicians, unethical & greedy CEO's, irresponsible lenders/borrowers, I know quite a few people who bought houses they clearly couldn't afford. But in your world view it's all some big black and white "master plan" by nefarious players, like "Secret Nazi's", and the "elite" who all magically work together to cause financial crises, assassinate presidents and blow up the Twin Towers. Cool, but your limited imagination is, as demonstrated so many times, not representative of reality.

This is your read view of what lead to the 2008 crash.
In the 90s, bank regulations were in place and dealt with the smaller banks and lenders abuses and it was working! The stock market investors and Wall Street capitalists wanted to produce more money ( pure greed) demanded politicians remove the bank controls like the Glass- Steagall Act. An act in place after 1929 Stock Market crash.

The stock market addicts influenced and subverted the politicians, and they gave in and removed the acts and protections put in place to stop big defaults and stop runs on banks and so on. In a way it was a conspiracy with the elite at the top conspired to remove all protections! Removing the regulations and protections you remove all safeguards. Their addiction to making money what created the crisis. The crisis started in less than a decade when the bank//lending regulations got removed, so it no coincidence if you look over the history.

It’s a sideshow with the politicians pretend they don’t agree with the bailouts, but if you look at it, Wall street money influences Washington politics. They're not really anyone in US politics who has not taken money from donors. They are all in bed with the powerful and rich. Elite wanted their free money, and they got it.

You forgetting here again, it’s the central banks, supporting this lame duck financial system. The smaller private banks can stand on their own anymore. FED pumping in money for 12 years now to keep this system on live support. We need to wake up to that fact and many have not yet. When the banks have no assets to support themselves we need an alternative system that has civilian oversight. Are we going to continue where the elite beg they need help and the central banks started printing money to help them out? This is going to eventually be worse than 1929 when printing free money, making it worthless, is the only option. The money not backed by anything.

Always throw in that dig at the end. Not my fault you don’t understand pre-war Nazis escaped and took their wealth with them to other countries around the world. Its common knowledge there was an underground Nazi SS network helping former high-ranking Nazis escape to South America. They removed their SS uniform and used their wealth to buy mansion homes in South American and invested in the world stock market and likely invested in Germany economy after the fall of the Wall in East Germany. It’s a complicated backstory that you never followed, learned and watched.

Dohnjoe · 08-05-2020 3:00pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Always throw in that dig at the end. Not my fault you don’t understand pre-war Nazis escaped and took their wealth with them to other countries around the world. Its common knowledge there was an underground Nazi SS network helping former high-ranking Nazis escape to South America. They removed their SS uniform and used their wealth to buy mansion homes in South American and invested in the world stock market and likely invested in Germany economy after the fall of the Wall in East Germany. It’s a complicated backstory that you never followed, learned and watched.

Oh I understand very well, somehow you came across some actual information, perhaps accidentally watched the history channel for 10 minutes and discovered the widely known fact that certain Nazi's fled Germany after the war..

Annd since your personal "Eureka" moment you've decided that offspring of those Nazi's have clubbed together to pull off 911 and kill JFK..

Perfectly normal rational thinking going on there

Cheerful Spring2 · 09-05-2020 2:02am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Oh I understand very well, somehow you came across some actual information, perhaps accidentally watched the history channel for 10 minutes and discovered the widely known fact that certain Nazi's fled Germany after the war..

Annd since your personal "Eureka" moment you've decided that offspring of those Nazi's have clubbed together to pull off 911 and kill JFK..

Perfectly normal rational thinking going on there

This stuff too deep for you.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/contemporary-european-history/article/nazis-in-the-middle-east-assessing-links-between-nazism-and-islam/759FCBDA32B00524F1CBE3B134ED1546

Since the early-2000s there has been an increasing amount of research on connections between the Nazi regime and the Arab world largely spurred by scholars of Germany. One of the key contributions of this scholarship has been the argument that historic links between National Socialism and Islam, in particular the connection between National Socialist racial ideology and contemporary anti-Semitism in the Middle East, persisted into the post-war period and crucially shaped Middle Eastern politics and policies. This approach is represented in this review in the studies by Matthias Küntzel, Jeffrey Herf, Klaus-Michael Mallmann and Martin Cüppers and Barry Rubin and Wolfgang Schwanitz, who all – in various ways – suggest that there is a direct line of continuity between National Socialism, the Muslim Brotherhood and the rise of al-Qaeda. By calling attention to the role of National Socialism, these studies challenge what has hitherto been the dominant historiography of the modern Middle East,

Ayman al-Zawahiri was second in command of Al Qeada and former leader of the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt. A group that has longstanding ties with the Nazis during the WW2 and after WW2.
Still not caught after 18 years.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/most-wanted-taliban-mastermind-behind-21728076

The Nal · 09-05-2020 11:23am

I love Cheerfuls "research". A quick google and a copy and paste, as above, and then a link dump to the Daily Mirror.

"this stuff is too deep for you"

Lol

Cheerful Spring2 · 09-05-2020 1:19pm

The Nal wrote: »

I love Cheerfuls "research". A quick google and a copy and paste, as above, and then a link dump to the Daily Mirror.

"this stuff is too deep for you"

Lol

When you stuck in the mind-set the official story correct, than nothing I say here makes sense, I have moved beyond that point.
National security measures were removed to facilitate this operation on the day. There plenty of evidence CIA protected the 19 up to the day of the operation.
We have levels here. The planes hijacked and another operation rigging the buildings to bring them down on 9/11
The level of planning to blow up buildings is beyond Al Qaeda.
We have another level here at play.
I open to who was behind it.

It was likely some international network that’s in the background that got wind of this operation from the middle east was about to happen, and they used it to achieve their own agenda. I surmise there may be some post-war Nazi financiers involved in the operation. I not saying there 100 percent proof that’s the case, but i come at it with a believe building seven was taken down on 9/11 by demolition.

The Nal · 09-05-2020 1:31pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

When you stuck in the mind-set the official story correct, than nothing I say here makes sense, I have moved beyond that point.
National security measures were removed to facilitate this operation on the day. There plenty of evidence CIA protected the 19 up to the day of the operation.
We have levels here. The planes hijacked and another operation rigging the buildings to bring them down on 9/11
The level of planning to blow up buildings is beyond Al Qaeda.
We have another level here at play.
I open to who was behind it.

It was likely some international network that’s in the background that got wind of this operation from the middle east was about to happen, and they used it to achieve their own agenda. I surmise there may be some post-war Nazi financiers involved in the operation. I not saying there 100 percent proof that’s the case, but i come at it with a believe building seven was taken down on 9/11 by demolition.

Nonsensical gibberish

Dohnjoe · 09-05-2020 2:37pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

When you stuck in the mind-set the official story correct

You conjure up changeable stories in your head, on the fly, and decide that it's world history. In your imaginary world, the "powers-that-be" constantly do the same thing, and you're somehow in competition with these "scripts" and "official stories".

It's a completely mental way of thinking

Cheerful Spring2 · 09-05-2020 2:44pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You conjure up changeable stories in your head, on the fly, and decide that it's world history. In your imaginary world, the "powers-that-be" constantly do the same thing, and you're somehow in competition with these "scripts" and "official stories".

It's a completely mental way of thinking

Go back ten years ago we had the same logic from debunkers about UFOs. We were tinfoil hat people and people like you trashed people for their opinions. Now the US navy and US army openly admits their pilots are tracking strange and unusual objects in the sky that defy physics. Your reality is very different to ours and you have not coped on yet.

Dohnjoe · 09-05-2020 3:32pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Go back ten years ago

Again, you believe "secret Nazi's" assassinated the US president and carried out the most significant terrorist attack in the 21st century. You believe this because you can "imagine" it in your head. Cool, but it's the kind of thing you'd hear in a mental asylum.

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 12:45am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Again, you believe "secret Nazi's" assassinated the US president and carried out the most significant terrorist attack in the 21st century. You believe this because you can "imagine" it in your head. Cool, but it's the kind of thing you'd hear in a mental asylum.

I believe far right CIA operatives and the Mob killed JFK. I have seen some evidence the CIA hired a Nazi assassin as one shooter on the day. The CIA recruited him after WW2.

I have seen some evidence a fascist corporation in Switzerland, with links to the Nazi underground played a role. They move assets around in this hidden world of commerce through dummy companies and sometimes even the CIA uses the network.

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 12:54am

Last week a incursion failed in Venezuela. Couple of special US forces guys got caught by local militias trying to sneak in. US of course denies the operation. They caught 300 Rebels coming in from Colombia. The two Americans work for Silvercorp. a private US military/mercenary outfit.

According to their statement their mission was to takeover an Airport and then secure it and then kidnap Maduro. How reliable the info insure, but there was a operation that seemed to have messed up badly.

One of guys confessions.

I see sheep · 10-05-2020 12:56am

Even when it was the immigants it was the bears.

Dohnjoe · 10-05-2020 1:05am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I believe far right CIA operatives and the Mob killed JFK. I have seen some evidence the CIA hired a Nazi assassin as one shooter on the day. The CIA recruited him after WW2.

I have seen some evidence a fascist corporation in Switzerland, with links to the Nazi underground played a role. They move assets around in this hidden world of commerce through dummy companies and sometimes even the CIA uses the network.

Yeah, you believe this stuff until you change your mind next week or next month and invent something new. You actually believe that history revolves around whatever comes into your head, which is completely irrational.

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 1:21am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yeah, you believe this stuff until you change your mind next week or next month and invent something new. You actually believe that history revolves around whatever comes into your head, which is completely irrational.

Of course, you believe the magic bullet theory

I saw what happened with the Archive JFK files. The Week before full release the CIA and FBI showed up in Trump office and told him you cannot release these files.
The US government lying to you about this event and there protecting their ass still. They don’t want the global public to know the real truth here, the CIA played a role in murdering a US President in broad daylight.,

Dohnjoe · 10-05-2020 2:14am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The US government lying to you about this event and there protecting their ass still. They don’t want the global public to know the real truth here, the CIA played a role in murdering a US President in broad daylight.,

And, according to you; LBJ, Cuban exiles, the FBI, the Mafia, Zapruder, Willis and now Nazi's..

Question is, who didn't murder JFK, I think that list is shorter..

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 2:26am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And, according to you; LBJ, Cuban exiles, the FBI, the Mafia, Zapruder, Willis and now Nazi's..

Question is, who didn't murder JFK, I think that list is shorter..

Listing groups. When likely just individuals who played a part.
There isn’t hundreds of people protecting the secret when it happened.
You talking about 30 or 40 people?, in a country of 360 million nothing.
It just they sat at the top of the food chain, and they directed the lower end teams to carry out the hit.
CIA has carried out multiple operations in secret and people never talked about it, you may have one or two whistlebowers now an again who talk.

Dohnjoe · 10-05-2020 2:30am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Listing groups. When likely just individuals who played a part.
There isn’t hundreds of people protecting the secret when it happened.
You talking about 30 or 40 people?, in a country of 360 million nothing.
It just they sat at the top of the food chain, and they directed the lower end teams to carry out the hit.
CIA has carried out multiple operations in secret and people never talked about it, you may have one or two whistlebowers now an again who talk.

All of a sudden you don't sound so sure..

You create your own facts, so why not just create your own certainty. 100% it was LBJ, Mafia, CIA, Cuban exiles, etc. There, easy.

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 2:34am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

All of a sudden you don't sound so sure..

You create your own facts, so why not just create your own certainty. 100% it was LBJ, Mafia, CIA, Cuban exiles, etc. There, easy.

I think there was 5 to 6 guys there in Dallas. 2 to 3 shooters (2 to 3 watching their back spotters)
Who send them there to take out Kennedy, is long speculated, as you know.

Dohnjoe · 10-05-2020 2:42am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I think

No, you don't think, you assert as absolute fact. Until you change your mind and then assert something else entirely as fact.

You demonstrate constantly that you don't understand the difference between your imagination .. and reality. You seem to think one is reliant on the other

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 2:43am

Dohnjoe the Warren Commission had a problem. Oswald gun could only fire three shots. One bullet missed.

So they had to come up with a way to explain all the body injuries Gov Connelly recieved and President Kennedy recieved.

One bullet hit the skull, You left with one bullet and thats known as the magic bullet.

The magic bullet was found in suspicious circumstances not in Kennedy limo, but on hospital stretcher at Parkland and had no blood. Was only missing a few grains at the tip. This alleged bullet hit the Back of Kennedy, went through the throat of Kennedy, hit Connelly in the back near, the right side, exited out the right nimple, fell and embedded fragments in his wrist and knee. This bullet had some performance.

The Nal · 10-05-2020 11:07am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I believe far right CIA operatives and the Mob killed JFK. I have seen some evidence the CIA hired a Nazi assassin as one shooter on the day. The CIA recruited him after WW2.

You've heard it was claimed in a book a couple of years ago, which it wasn't (he wasnt a shooter), but now thats what you believe. Without having read the book.

The gullibility is staggering.

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 3:46pm

The Nal wrote: »

You've heard it was claimed in a book a couple of years ago, which it wasn't (he wasnt a shooter), but now thats what you believe. Without having read the book.

The gullibility is staggering.

I not naïve to believe Oswald acted alone. Debunkers for years claimed Oswald did not know David Ferrie. Then a researcher found a lost picture of them together in a boot camp when Oswald was a boyish young man. We now have solid proof they knew each other and debunkers claims are false. Oswald does not end up in a CIA base if he not involved intelligence. You also falsely claimed the Oswald did not phone from the Jail another lie when the records show he did try to phone from the Jail.

All i know is Oswald did not act alone that day, there was others, and who they are people speculate. I open to all info about them.,

Dohnjoe · 10-05-2020 3:49pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I not naïve to believe Oswald acted alone. Debunkers for years claimed Oswald did not know David Ferrie. Then a researcher found a lost picture of them together in a boot camp when Oswald was a boyish young man. We now have solid proof they knew each other and debunkers claims are false. Oswald does not end up in a CIA base if he not involved intelligence. You also falsely claimed the Oswald did not phone from the Jail another lie when the records show he did try to phone from the Jail.

All i know is Oswald did not act alone that day, there was others, and who they are people speculate. I open to all info about them.,

"No way Oswald acted alone!"

- Okay so who killed JFK?

"The Mafia, CIA, LBJ, FBI, Cuban Exiles, that guy who shot that film, Nazi's, Mossad, Teamsters, Obama, The Hamburgler..."

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 4:28pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"No way Oswald acted alone!"

- Okay so who killed JFK?

"The Mafia, CIA, LBJ, FBI, Cuban Exiles, that guy who shot that film, Nazi's, Mossad, Teamsters, Obama, The Hamburgler..."

You have to look at Oswald profile first.
A US marine
Worked radar for U2 spy flights over the Soviet Union. Top Secret program second to the nuclear weapons in secrecy at time.
Went to the Soviet Union
Returned home, no questions asked, State department provided him money.
He best known friend was a Oil guy, a millionaire, a White Russian who hates Communists.
Oswald supposedly is a communist.
George, finds jobs for him, one involves studying secret maps flights over Cuba.
Oswald ends up in New Orleans, mixing with Cuban exiles and handing out pro- Castro leaflets.
Ends up in Mexico a hub for CIA activity in the 60s.
Oswald has all the makings of a spy that was sheep dipped to watch communists and report back.
I don't rule it out Oswald was involved in some way with the operation. It could also be he was double crossed and ran in panic after noticing Kennedy was shot?

I don't believe for a minute Oswald was a lonely nut acting alone.

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 4:45pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"
- Okay so who killed JFK?

Why was there a man up in the grassy knoll flashing a fake badge minutes after the Shooting? That's evidence there was a backup up helping the shooter. Many reported smelling gunpowder near the bushes and near the road, that's evidence of shots fired close by. There evidence of a crack in the front windshield of the car. Someone was firing from over near the bridge or near the hedges.

Gov Connelly doctor on tape even said he doesn't believe one bullet caused all those injuries.
The magic bullet not even that deformed to be hitting bone and tissue. There a few grains missing not enough to have inflicted injuries to two men.

Dohnjoe · 10-05-2020 8:16pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Why was there a man up in the grassy knoll flashing a fake badge minutes after the Shooting? That's evidence there was a backup up helping the shooter. Many reported smelling gunpowder near the bushes and near the road, that's evidence of shots fired close by. There evidence of a crack in the front windshield of the car. Someone was firing from over near the bridge or near the hedges.

Gov Connelly doctor on tape even said he doesn't believe one bullet caused all those injuries.
The magic bullet not even that deformed to be hitting bone and tissue. There a few grains missing not enough to have inflicted injuries to two men.

Ask question, receive full indepth explanation, reject explanation, claim there must be a conspiracy, ask same question again, rinse, repeat

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 8:43pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Ask question, receive full indepth explanation, reject explanation, claim there must be a conspiracy, ask same question again, rinse, repeat

Dohnjoe you don’t appreciate evidence from the other side. You only interested in evidence that supports the narrative acted alone. We know what the evidence is for Oswald acting alone. The debunkers are only interested in one side opinion of the event and everything else is dismissed. What you fail to understand the other side is the government narrative and they don’t want you to look at the evidence there was other men in Dallas that day shooting at Kennedy. The believed in a magic bullet to stop all talk about a conspiracy

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 10:30pm

Keep an eye on Venezuela this week. Four Iranian tankers are heading to the country with gasoline. US might try to intercept and board them. Reports US destroyers maybe on an interception course.

Dohnjoe · 19-05-2020 10:36am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Dohnjoe you don’t appreciate evidence from the other side.

There's no such thing as "the other side". There's the objective truth and that's it.

For some, reality is too boring, so they invent their own narratives replete with alternative facts and woo, a popular hobby on this forum

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-05-2020 8:33pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

There's no such thing as "the other side". There's the objective truth and that's it.

Do you watch CNN, MSBC, Fox News

World is never that simple. Fox News supporters see the world differently to people who watch MSNBC and CNN. It affects all.

Conspiracy people and debunkers are the same, sides are picked.

Dohnjoe · 19-05-2020 9:42pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

World is never that simple.

What's the world or reality got to do with it

You're openly a holocaust denier, you believe in alien technology, you think secret Nazi's are behind world events..

Like actual German's from World War 2.. killing JFK..

I'm not quite sure you should be lecturing others about the "other side", unless you are referring to an alternative dimension..

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-05-2020 10:04pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

What's the world or reality got to do with it

You're openly a holocaust denier, you believe in alien technology, you think secret Nazi's are behind world events..

Like actual German's from World War 2.. killing JFK..

I'm not quite sure you should be lecturing others about the "other side", unless you are referring to an alternative dimension..

These insults are for your fanboys and you think making good points here. . I never killed any Jewish person, was not there in WW2 to stop it and was not involved, so trying to paint me as some criminal here who done some harm to the Jewish people, laughable.
You have labels. You’re the one celebrating the lock down off free speech online and celebrating when people channels are locked. You have the personal traits of an authoritarian, not me. So stop with the lecture.

I provided evidence, maybe you don't want to know and that's your problem not mine.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-05-2020 10:51pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Like actual German's from World War 2.. killing JFK..

Yes.
Otto Skorzeny.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Spinne
It is believed by some historians to be a different name (or a branch of the Nazi German ODESSA organization established during the collapse of the Third Reich, similar to Kameradenwerk, and der Bruderschaft, devoted to helping German war criminals flee Europe. It was led in part by Otto Skorzeny, Hitler's commando chief, as well as Nazi intelligence officer Reinhard Gehlen.[ Die Spinne helped as many as 600 former SS men escape from Germany to Francoist Spain, Juan Peron's Argentina, Paraguay, Chile, Bolivia, the Middle East, and other countries.

Network called the Fascist international.
From 1945 to 1950, Die Spinne's leader Skorzeny facilitated the escape of Nazi war criminals from war-criminal prisons to Memmingen, Bavaria, through Austria and Switzerland into Italy. Certain US military authorities allegedly knew of the escape, but took no action.The Central European headquarters of Die Spinne as of 1948 was in Gmunden, Upper Austria.

Skorzeny requested assistance from German industrialist tycoon Alfried Krupp, whose company had controlled 138 private concentration camps under the Third Reich; the assistance was granted in 1951. Skorzeny became Krupp's representative in industrial business ventures in Argentina a country which harboured a strong pro-Nazi political element throughout World War II and afterwards, regardless of a nominal declaration of loyalty to the Allies as World War II ended. With the help of Die Spinne leaders in Spain, by the early 1980s Die Spinne had become influential in Argentina, Chile and Paraguay, including ties involving Paraguayan dictator Alfredo Stroessner.

War Crimes investigator Simon Wiesenthal claimed Joseph Mengele had stayed at the notorious Colonia Dignidad Nazi colony in Chile in 1979 and ultimately found harbour in Paraguay until his death. As of the early 1980s, Die Spinne's was reported by Infield to have been advising Stroessner's ethnic German Paraguayan police on how to reduce native Paraguayan Indians in the Chaco Region to slave labour. A wealthy, powerful post–World War II underground Nazi political contingent held sway in Argentina as of the late 1960s, which included many ethnic German Nazi immigrants and their descendants

Otto Skorzeny is alleged to be have taken part and shot at JFK in Dallas. It was CIA operation/ they hired shooters who keep quiet.
Otto Skorzeny was SS officer- an assassin.
This information outside your frame of reference. This is the hidden history you will not find on CNN or MSBC, or Fox News or RTE.

The Nazis did not just go away after WW2 this is false.
War Crimes investigator Simon Wiesenthal claimed Joseph Mengele had stayed at the notorious Colonia Dignidad Nazi colony in Chile in 1979 and ultimately found harbour in Paraguay until his death.

Dohnjoe · 19-05-2020 11:38pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The Nazis did not just go away after WW2 this is false.

Many went to Argentina, are they the ones who killed JFK and blew up the Twin Towers?

Or what did they do? the Falklands war?

Cheerful Spring2 · 20-05-2020 12:07am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Many went to Argentina, are they the ones who killed JFK and blew up the Twin Towers?

Or what did they do? the Falklands war?

I'm fully aware you will never understand this.

The Fascist international is basically a clandestine group of former Nazis that carried out secret operations for the CIA and Israel and other states during the Cold war. Their goals were the same to fight communism.
The CIA and the Fascist international and criminals in the Mob teamed up to take out JFK in Dallas. He was a problem for them and he got taken out.

They used Otto Skorzeny's network for this covert operation.

The network entrenched in the hidden world of banking, shipping, front companies that make different things, it's an enterprise. You not here about on the News because it an asset of foreign governments around the world.

Dohnjoe · 20-05-2020 12:29am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I'm fully aware you will never understand this.

The Fascist international is basically a clandestine group of former Nazis that carried out secret operations for the CIA and Israel and other states during the Cold war. Their goals were the same to fight communism.
The CIA and the Fascist international and criminals in the Mob teamed up to take out JFK in Dallas. He was a problem for them and he got taken out.

They used Otto Skorzeny's network for this covert operation.

The network entrenched in the hidden world of banking, shipping, front companies that make different things, it's an enterprise. You not here about on the News because it an asset of foreign governments around the world.

And carried out 9/11 right?

With all this corona virus stuff going on, does anyone smell an invasion?

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