With all this corona virus stuff going on, does anyone smell an invasion?

Keyzer · 27-04-2020 08:54AM

Adam9213 wrote: »

There's probably an invasion coming along any day now, they can conveniently push the dead children killed by UK and British forces back to the last 5 minutes of news where everyone has already flicked over to the Simpsons once they've heard about the 90 year olds who can barely walk tragically taken by the corona virus.

You need to join ranks with Gemma O'D and the sage Waters... They'd love you.

Dohnjoe · 27-04-2020 12:00PM

Adam9213 wrote: »

A conspiracy theory is any theory that goes against the status quo, in a way we we are all conspiracy theorists.

Have you ever held an opinion that is different to the status quo? About a war? An Invasion? An assasination? Something you believe is happening in a country? endless things I could come up with if you have a different theory to any of that stuff that would make you a conspiracy theorist as well, or do you believe everything you hear on the news? Every reason the government says they have for doing something?

Or do you just believe everything you see? Back when in people in Ireland used to claim to claim the British intelligence services were using loyalists to carry out assassinations on their behalf they were called conspiracy theorists, what are they called now psychics?

if you have education on a subject conspiracy theories aren't far fetched crazy ideas they are logical ideas on things that are happening in the world.

Conspiracies, corruption, collusion, etc happen on a regular basis

"Conspiracy theorists" aren't really interested in that stuff, they gravitate towards the more far-fetched theories, usually underpinned by a paranoia of authority/establishment and a cynical world view that X government or entity are behind certain events.

Cheerful Spring2 · 03-05-2020 03:47AM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Conspiracies, corruption, collusion, etc happen on a regular basis

"Conspiracy theorists" aren't really interested in that stuff, they gravitate towards the more far-fetched theories, usually underpinned by a paranoia of authority/establishment and a cynical world view that X government or entity are behind certain events.

We had the 1 percent forcing austerity on people after the 2008 bank crisis. Who was pushing this austerity? Was the elite in the banks and politicians. It was working people who handed over cash to pay for this reckless gambling. You have this weird world view the authority/establishment gives a **** about you, they don't. The Austerity prove of it, you're a number. There many reasons to be cynical of the global system when we have multiple wars started because of fake intelligence. Iraq War the leaders of the world lied, and they knew it, and still didn't give a crap. Debunkers just have memories of a fish and forgotten things or just any bit of commonsense beaten out of them by life and who they spend time with and listen to. Sometimes you can't fix stupid either :rolleyes:

Dohnjoe · 03-05-2020 06:47PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It was working people who handed over cash to pay for this reckless gambling.

The 2008 financial crisis was caused by a large number of factors, all underpinned by "bubble thinking", the notion that house prices wouldn't significantly drop. It wasn't a "conspiracy" as such, just a severe failing on many levels, including on the level of regulators, rating agencies, financial institutions, shadow banking, government, lenders, buyers, public.

In the US, politicians, on both sides, universally rejected the bailout, they had little appetite to throw cash at over-leveraged, under-capitalised banks, no one did. Few tears were shed when Lehman's went under. But when the entire system came under threat, i.e. that their constituents might not be able to withdraw money from ATMs for their weekly groceries, that's when they had no option but to take action, and vote for the bailout. For TARP, taxpayers money was lent to banks to fund their intraday activity (and lack of liquidity), the banks paid this back with interest. At the end, the taxpayers actually made a small profit. Old testament justice is great and all, but the problem had to be dealt with. Pointing fingers and punishing people on a sinking ship is not going to stop the ship sinking.

Austerity, controversial, whatever but in a country like Greece, where they cooked the books for years, tax-dodging was/is a national sport and public servants were retiring in their 40's - it was a potential solution, rather than neverending spending and defaults-ville

As always there were/are individual corrupt politicians, unethical & greedy CEO's, irresponsible lenders/borrowers, I know quite a few people who bought houses they clearly couldn't afford. But in your world view it's all some big black and white "master plan" by nefarious players, like "Secret Nazi's", and the "elite" who all magically work together to cause financial crises, assassinate presidents and blow up the Twin Towers. Cool, but your limited imagination is, as demonstrated so many times, not representative of reality.

Cheerful Spring2 · 08-05-2020 10:43AM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The 2008 financial crisis was caused by a large number of factors, all underpinned by "bubble thinking", the notion that house prices wouldn't significantly drop. It wasn't a "conspiracy" as such, just a severe failing on many levels, including on the level of regulators, rating agencies, financial institutions, shadow banking, government, lenders, buyers, public.

In the US, politicians, on both sides, universally rejected the bailout, they had little appetite to throw cash at over-leveraged, under-capitalised banks, no one did. Few tears were shed when Lehman's went under. But when the entire system came under threat, i.e. that their constituents might not be able to withdraw money from ATMs for their weekly groceries, that's when they had no option but to take action, and vote for the bailout. For TARP, taxpayers money was lent to banks to fund their intraday activity (and lack of liquidity), the banks paid this back with interest. At the end, the taxpayers actually made a small profit. Old testament justice is great and all, but the problem had to be dealt with. Pointing fingers and punishing people on a sinking ship is not going to stop the ship sinking.

Austerity, controversial, whatever but in a country like Greece, where they cooked the books for years, tax-dodging was/is a national sport and public servants were retiring in their 40's - it was a potential solution, rather than neverending spending and defaults-ville

As always there were/are individual corrupt politicians, unethical & greedy CEO's, irresponsible lenders/borrowers, I know quite a few people who bought houses they clearly couldn't afford. But in your world view it's all some big black and white "master plan" by nefarious players, like "Secret Nazi's", and the "elite" who all magically work together to cause financial crises, assassinate presidents and blow up the Twin Towers. Cool, but your limited imagination is, as demonstrated so many times, not representative of reality.

This is your read view of what lead to the 2008 crash.
In the 90s, bank regulations were in place and dealt with the smaller banks and lenders abuses and it was working! The stock market investors and Wall Street capitalists wanted to produce more money ( pure greed) demanded politicians remove the bank controls like the Glass- Steagall Act. An act in place after 1929 Stock Market crash.

The stock market addicts influenced and subverted the politicians, and they gave in and removed the acts and protections put in place to stop big defaults and stop runs on banks and so on. In a way it was a conspiracy with the elite at the top conspired to remove all protections! Removing the regulations and protections you remove all safeguards. Their addiction to making money what created the crisis. The crisis started in less than a decade when the bank//lending regulations got removed, so it no coincidence if you look over the history.

It’s a sideshow with the politicians pretend they don’t agree with the bailouts, but if you look at it, Wall street money influences Washington politics. They're not really anyone in US politics who has not taken money from donors. They are all in bed with the powerful and rich. Elite wanted their free money, and they got it.

You forgetting here again, it’s the central banks, supporting this lame duck financial system. The smaller private banks can stand on their own anymore. FED pumping in money for 12 years now to keep this system on live support. We need to wake up to that fact and many have not yet. When the banks have no assets to support themselves we need an alternative system that has civilian oversight. Are we going to continue where the elite beg they need help and the central banks started printing money to help them out? This is going to eventually be worse than 1929 when printing free money, making it worthless, is the only option. The money not backed by anything.

Always throw in that dig at the end. Not my fault you don’t understand pre-war Nazis escaped and took their wealth with them to other countries around the world. Its common knowledge there was an underground Nazi SS network helping former high-ranking Nazis escape to South America. They removed their SS uniform and used their wealth to buy mansion homes in South American and invested in the world stock market and likely invested in Germany economy after the fall of the Wall in East Germany. It’s a complicated backstory that you never followed, learned and watched.

Dohnjoe · 08-05-2020 03:00PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Always throw in that dig at the end. Not my fault you don’t understand pre-war Nazis escaped and took their wealth with them to other countries around the world. Its common knowledge there was an underground Nazi SS network helping former high-ranking Nazis escape to South America. They removed their SS uniform and used their wealth to buy mansion homes in South American and invested in the world stock market and likely invested in Germany economy after the fall of the Wall in East Germany. It’s a complicated backstory that you never followed, learned and watched.

Oh I understand very well, somehow you came across some actual information, perhaps accidentally watched the history channel for 10 minutes and discovered the widely known fact that certain Nazi's fled Germany after the war..

Annd since your personal "Eureka" moment you've decided that offspring of those Nazi's have clubbed together to pull off 911 and kill JFK..

Perfectly normal rational thinking going on there

Cheerful Spring2 · 09-05-2020 02:02AM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Oh I understand very well, somehow you came across some actual information, perhaps accidentally watched the history channel for 10 minutes and discovered the widely known fact that certain Nazi's fled Germany after the war..

Annd since your personal "Eureka" moment you've decided that offspring of those Nazi's have clubbed together to pull off 911 and kill JFK..

Perfectly normal rational thinking going on there

This stuff too deep for you.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/contemporary-european-history/article/nazis-in-the-middle-east-assessing-links-between-nazism-and-islam/759FCBDA32B00524F1CBE3B134ED1546

Since the early-2000s there has been an increasing amount of research on connections between the Nazi regime and the Arab world largely spurred by scholars of Germany. One of the key contributions of this scholarship has been the argument that historic links between National Socialism and Islam, in particular the connection between National Socialist racial ideology and contemporary anti-Semitism in the Middle East, persisted into the post-war period and crucially shaped Middle Eastern politics and policies. This approach is represented in this review in the studies by Matthias Küntzel, Jeffrey Herf, Klaus-Michael Mallmann and Martin Cüppers and Barry Rubin and Wolfgang Schwanitz, who all – in various ways – suggest that there is a direct line of continuity between National Socialism, the Muslim Brotherhood and the rise of al-Qaeda. By calling attention to the role of National Socialism, these studies challenge what has hitherto been the dominant historiography of the modern Middle East,

Ayman al-Zawahiri was second in command of Al Qeada and former leader of the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt. A group that has longstanding ties with the Nazis during the WW2 and after WW2.
Still not caught after 18 years.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/most-wanted-taliban-mastermind-behind-21728076

The Nal · 09-05-2020 11:23AM

I love Cheerfuls "research". A quick google and a copy and paste, as above, and then a link dump to the Daily Mirror.

"this stuff is too deep for you"

Lol

Cheerful Spring2 · 09-05-2020 01:19PM

The Nal wrote: »

I love Cheerfuls "research". A quick google and a copy and paste, as above, and then a link dump to the Daily Mirror.

"this stuff is too deep for you"

Lol

When you stuck in the mind-set the official story correct, than nothing I say here makes sense, I have moved beyond that point.
National security measures were removed to facilitate this operation on the day. There plenty of evidence CIA protected the 19 up to the day of the operation.
We have levels here. The planes hijacked and another operation rigging the buildings to bring them down on 9/11
The level of planning to blow up buildings is beyond Al Qaeda.
We have another level here at play.
I open to who was behind it.

It was likely some international network that’s in the background that got wind of this operation from the middle east was about to happen, and they used it to achieve their own agenda. I surmise there may be some post-war Nazi financiers involved in the operation. I not saying there 100 percent proof that’s the case, but i come at it with a believe building seven was taken down on 9/11 by demolition.

The Nal · 09-05-2020 01:31PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

When you stuck in the mind-set the official story correct, than nothing I say here makes sense, I have moved beyond that point.
National security measures were removed to facilitate this operation on the day. There plenty of evidence CIA protected the 19 up to the day of the operation.
We have levels here. The planes hijacked and another operation rigging the buildings to bring them down on 9/11
The level of planning to blow up buildings is beyond Al Qaeda.
We have another level here at play.
I open to who was behind it.

It was likely some international network that’s in the background that got wind of this operation from the middle east was about to happen, and they used it to achieve their own agenda. I surmise there may be some post-war Nazi financiers involved in the operation. I not saying there 100 percent proof that’s the case, but i come at it with a believe building seven was taken down on 9/11 by demolition.

Nonsensical gibberish

Dohnjoe · 09-05-2020 02:37PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

When you stuck in the mind-set the official story correct

You conjure up changeable stories in your head, on the fly, and decide that it's world history. In your imaginary world, the "powers-that-be" constantly do the same thing, and you're somehow in competition with these "scripts" and "official stories".

It's a completely mental way of thinking

Cheerful Spring2 · 09-05-2020 02:44PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You conjure up changeable stories in your head, on the fly, and decide that it's world history. In your imaginary world, the "powers-that-be" constantly do the same thing, and you're somehow in competition with these "scripts" and "official stories".

It's a completely mental way of thinking

Go back ten years ago we had the same logic from debunkers about UFOs. We were tinfoil hat people and people like you trashed people for their opinions. Now the US navy and US army openly admits their pilots are tracking strange and unusual objects in the sky that defy physics. Your reality is very different to ours and you have not coped on yet.

Dohnjoe · 09-05-2020 03:32PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Go back ten years ago

Again, you believe "secret Nazi's" assassinated the US president and carried out the most significant terrorist attack in the 21st century. You believe this because you can "imagine" it in your head. Cool, but it's the kind of thing you'd hear in a mental asylum.

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 12:45AM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Again, you believe "secret Nazi's" assassinated the US president and carried out the most significant terrorist attack in the 21st century. You believe this because you can "imagine" it in your head. Cool, but it's the kind of thing you'd hear in a mental asylum.

I believe far right CIA operatives and the Mob killed JFK. I have seen some evidence the CIA hired a Nazi assassin as one shooter on the day. The CIA recruited him after WW2.

I have seen some evidence a fascist corporation in Switzerland, with links to the Nazi underground played a role. They move assets around in this hidden world of commerce through dummy companies and sometimes even the CIA uses the network.

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 12:54AM

Last week a incursion failed in Venezuela. Couple of special US forces guys got caught by local militias trying to sneak in. US of course denies the operation. They caught 300 Rebels coming in from Colombia. The two Americans work for Silvercorp. a private US military/mercenary outfit.

According to their statement their mission was to takeover an Airport and then secure it and then kidnap Maduro. How reliable the info insure, but there was a operation that seemed to have messed up badly.

One of guys confessions.

I see sheep · 10-05-2020 12:56AM

Even when it was the immigants it was the bears.

Dohnjoe · 10-05-2020 01:05AM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I believe far right CIA operatives and the Mob killed JFK. I have seen some evidence the CIA hired a Nazi assassin as one shooter on the day. The CIA recruited him after WW2.

I have seen some evidence a fascist corporation in Switzerland, with links to the Nazi underground played a role. They move assets around in this hidden world of commerce through dummy companies and sometimes even the CIA uses the network.

Yeah, you believe this stuff until you change your mind next week or next month and invent something new. You actually believe that history revolves around whatever comes into your head, which is completely irrational.

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 01:21AM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yeah, you believe this stuff until you change your mind next week or next month and invent something new. You actually believe that history revolves around whatever comes into your head, which is completely irrational.

Of course, you believe the magic bullet theory

I saw what happened with the Archive JFK files. The Week before full release the CIA and FBI showed up in Trump office and told him you cannot release these files.
The US government lying to you about this event and there protecting their ass still. They don’t want the global public to know the real truth here, the CIA played a role in murdering a US President in broad daylight.,

Dohnjoe · 10-05-2020 02:14AM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The US government lying to you about this event and there protecting their ass still. They don’t want the global public to know the real truth here, the CIA played a role in murdering a US President in broad daylight.,

And, according to you; LBJ, Cuban exiles, the FBI, the Mafia, Zapruder, Willis and now Nazi's..

Question is, who didn't murder JFK, I think that list is shorter..

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 02:26AM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And, according to you; LBJ, Cuban exiles, the FBI, the Mafia, Zapruder, Willis and now Nazi's..

Question is, who didn't murder JFK, I think that list is shorter..

Listing groups. When likely just individuals who played a part.
There isn’t hundreds of people protecting the secret when it happened.
You talking about 30 or 40 people?, in a country of 360 million nothing.
It just they sat at the top of the food chain, and they directed the lower end teams to carry out the hit.
CIA has carried out multiple operations in secret and people never talked about it, you may have one or two whistlebowers now an again who talk.

Dohnjoe · 10-05-2020 02:30AM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Listing groups. When likely just individuals who played a part.
There isn’t hundreds of people protecting the secret when it happened.
You talking about 30 or 40 people?, in a country of 360 million nothing.
It just they sat at the top of the food chain, and they directed the lower end teams to carry out the hit.
CIA has carried out multiple operations in secret and people never talked about it, you may have one or two whistlebowers now an again who talk.

All of a sudden you don't sound so sure..

You create your own facts, so why not just create your own certainty. 100% it was LBJ, Mafia, CIA, Cuban exiles, etc. There, easy.

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 02:34AM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

All of a sudden you don't sound so sure..

You create your own facts, so why not just create your own certainty. 100% it was LBJ, Mafia, CIA, Cuban exiles, etc. There, easy.

I think there was 5 to 6 guys there in Dallas. 2 to 3 shooters (2 to 3 watching their back spotters)
Who send them there to take out Kennedy, is long speculated, as you know.

Dohnjoe · 10-05-2020 02:42AM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I think

No, you don't think, you assert as absolute fact. Until you change your mind and then assert something else entirely as fact.

You demonstrate constantly that you don't understand the difference between your imagination .. and reality. You seem to think one is reliant on the other

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 02:43AM

Dohnjoe the Warren Commission had a problem. Oswald gun could only fire three shots. One bullet missed.

So they had to come up with a way to explain all the body injuries Gov Connelly recieved and President Kennedy recieved.

One bullet hit the skull, You left with one bullet and thats known as the magic bullet.

The magic bullet was found in suspicious circumstances not in Kennedy limo, but on hospital stretcher at Parkland and had no blood. Was only missing a few grains at the tip. This alleged bullet hit the Back of Kennedy, went through the throat of Kennedy, hit Connelly in the back near, the right side, exited out the right nimple, fell and embedded fragments in his wrist and knee. This bullet had some performance.

The Nal · 10-05-2020 11:07AM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I believe far right CIA operatives and the Mob killed JFK. I have seen some evidence the CIA hired a Nazi assassin as one shooter on the day. The CIA recruited him after WW2.

You've heard it was claimed in a book a couple of years ago, which it wasn't (he wasnt a shooter), but now thats what you believe. Without having read the book.

The gullibility is staggering.

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 03:46PM

The Nal wrote: »

You've heard it was claimed in a book a couple of years ago, which it wasn't (he wasnt a shooter), but now thats what you believe. Without having read the book.

The gullibility is staggering.

I not naïve to believe Oswald acted alone. Debunkers for years claimed Oswald did not know David Ferrie. Then a researcher found a lost picture of them together in a boot camp when Oswald was a boyish young man. We now have solid proof they knew each other and debunkers claims are false. Oswald does not end up in a CIA base if he not involved intelligence. You also falsely claimed the Oswald did not phone from the Jail another lie when the records show he did try to phone from the Jail.

All i know is Oswald did not act alone that day, there was others, and who they are people speculate. I open to all info about them.,

Dohnjoe · 10-05-2020 03:49PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I not naïve to believe Oswald acted alone. Debunkers for years claimed Oswald did not know David Ferrie. Then a researcher found a lost picture of them together in a boot camp when Oswald was a boyish young man. We now have solid proof they knew each other and debunkers claims are false. Oswald does not end up in a CIA base if he not involved intelligence. You also falsely claimed the Oswald did not phone from the Jail another lie when the records show he did try to phone from the Jail.

All i know is Oswald did not act alone that day, there was others, and who they are people speculate. I open to all info about them.,

"No way Oswald acted alone!"

- Okay so who killed JFK?

"The Mafia, CIA, LBJ, FBI, Cuban Exiles, that guy who shot that film, Nazi's, Mossad, Teamsters, Obama, The Hamburgler..."

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 04:28PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"No way Oswald acted alone!"

- Okay so who killed JFK?

"The Mafia, CIA, LBJ, FBI, Cuban Exiles, that guy who shot that film, Nazi's, Mossad, Teamsters, Obama, The Hamburgler..."

You have to look at Oswald profile first.
A US marine
Worked radar for U2 spy flights over the Soviet Union. Top Secret program second to the nuclear weapons in secrecy at time.
Went to the Soviet Union
Returned home, no questions asked, State department provided him money.
He best known friend was a Oil guy, a millionaire, a White Russian who hates Communists.
Oswald supposedly is a communist.
George, finds jobs for him, one involves studying secret maps flights over Cuba.
Oswald ends up in New Orleans, mixing with Cuban exiles and handing out pro- Castro leaflets.
Ends up in Mexico a hub for CIA activity in the 60s.
Oswald has all the makings of a spy that was sheep dipped to watch communists and report back.
I don't rule it out Oswald was involved in some way with the operation. It could also be he was double crossed and ran in panic after noticing Kennedy was shot?

I don't believe for a minute Oswald was a lonely nut acting alone.

Cheerful Spring2 · 10-05-2020 04:45PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"
- Okay so who killed JFK?

Why was there a man up in the grassy knoll flashing a fake badge minutes after the Shooting? That's evidence there was a backup up helping the shooter. Many reported smelling gunpowder near the bushes and near the road, that's evidence of shots fired close by. There evidence of a crack in the front windshield of the car. Someone was firing from over near the bridge or near the hedges.

Gov Connelly doctor on tape even said he doesn't believe one bullet caused all those injuries.
The magic bullet not even that deformed to be hitting bone and tissue. There a few grains missing not enough to have inflicted injuries to two men.

Dohnjoe · 10-05-2020 08:16PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Why was there a man up in the grassy knoll flashing a fake badge minutes after the Shooting? That's evidence there was a backup up helping the shooter. Many reported smelling gunpowder near the bushes and near the road, that's evidence of shots fired close by. There evidence of a crack in the front windshield of the car. Someone was firing from over near the bridge or near the hedges.

Gov Connelly doctor on tape even said he doesn't believe one bullet caused all those injuries.
The magic bullet not even that deformed to be hitting bone and tissue. There a few grains missing not enough to have inflicted injuries to two men.

Ask question, receive full indepth explanation, reject explanation, claim there must be a conspiracy, ask same question again, rinse, repeat

With all this corona virus stuff going on, does anyone smell an invasion?

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