NFL Offseason 2020

the baby bull elephant · 18-03-2020 5:36pm

phatkev wrote: »

The Lions look to be raiding the Patriots defense, looks like both Shelton and Harmon are headed that way today

Already signed Collins as well.

Happy with today's business, Shelton was cheap enough for a big space eater and Harmon's a good get for a late pick.

18-03-2020 6:32pm

Oat23 wrote: »

We'll be signing a QB to at the very least compete with Mitch. If I had to pick which one I'd want from those left it would probably be Cam (if he passes a physical obviously). F*ck it. Why not? The Panthers have no leverage after signing Bridgewater and they seem to have p*ssed him off with the wording of their press release. Bridges have been burned. Offer a 6th and take him for a season to see what happens.

Could also just play chicken and hope nobody else makes an offer so they have to release him.

Foles.

jack presley · 18-03-2020 6:32pm

Foles to the Bears!

phatkev · 18-03-2020 6:51pm

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

Already signed Collins as well.

Happy with today's business, Shelton was cheap enough for a big space eater and Harmon's a good get for a late pick.

Is Damon Harrison still with the Lions?

Oat23 · 18-03-2020 7:09pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Foles.

I wish we could have 2 GMs. Let Ryan Pace do defensive stuff and get someone who isn't a moron to do the offense.

A reporter is saying we weren't interested in Cam because of concerns over his health, so instead we trade a valuable 4th rounder for another guy who also spent last season on IR. Genius.

the baby bull elephant · 18-03-2020 7:16pm

phatkev wrote: »

Is Damon Harrison still with the Lions?

No, he's been released. Really fell off last year unfortunately.

Foxtrol · 18-03-2020 7:18pm

Oat23 wrote: »

I wish we could have 2 GMs. Let Ryan Pace do defensive stuff and get someone who isn't a moron to do the offense.

A reporter is saying we weren't interested in Cam because of concerns over his health, so instead we trade a valuable 4th rounder for another guy who also spent last season on IR. Genius.

Cam is a problem as his injuries seem to be long term ongoing stuff, whereas Foles is a random contact injury. Problem with not being able to have your own doctors review.

I would blame this signing on Nagy more than anything. He worked with Foles in the past and there's no way his input was totally ignored with this move

18-03-2020 7:20pm

Eric DeCosta rules DeRoost.

Oat23 · 18-03-2020 7:27pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Cam is a problem as his injuries seem to be long term ongoing stuff, whereas Foles is a random contact injury. Problem with not being able to have your own doctors review.

I would blame this signing on Nagy more than anything. He worked with Foles in the past and there's no way his input was totally ignored with this move

Why would Nagy's first choice QB be a statue when we have a poor offensive line? It severely hinders his play calling. He hired Bill Lazor as his OC and then wants Foles? That doesn't make sense.

The only positive I see in this is when Foles is under pressure immediately after receiving the snap he can probably think faster than Mitch and get rid of the ball before being sacked. That's a fairly sh*t positive.

Foxtrol · 18-03-2020 7:36pm

Oat23 wrote: »

Why would Nagy's first choice QB be a statue when we have a poor offensive line? It severely hinders his play calling. He hired Bill Lazor as his OC and then wants Foles? That doesn't make sense.

The only positive I see in this is when Foles is under pressure immediately after receiving the snap he can probably think faster than Mitch and get rid of the ball before being sacked. That's a fairly sh*t positive.

I find Nagy approving the trade much more likely than than him telling Pace that based on his experience of coaching Foles that in no way does he want him on his team and Pace deciding to trade for him anyway.

No matter how little sense it makes based on the OL and new OC, do you really think the latter happened?

jack presley · 18-03-2020 8:26pm

https://twitter.com/NFLMedia/status/1240354679038459904

mikemac2 · 18-03-2020 8:40pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Eric DeCosta rules DeRoost.

Yes he does :cool:

Blut2 · 18-03-2020 9:00pm

If Foles stays healthy I actually think hes capable of being a fairly competent QB. Nothing consistently top 10QB/special, but definitely better than Mitch anyway. But this is way too high a price:

The Bears will inherit the final three-years of Nick Foles' deal, which pays a base value of $50M.
[...]
still has $21 million guaranteed left on his contract

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/detailing-how-bears-got-nick-foles-contract-restructured

Between Foles and Robert Quinn this week, on top of Khalil Mack there already, a huge chunk of their cap space is gone.

Knex* · 18-03-2020 10:00pm

I'd be pretty underwhelmed if I was a Bears fan seeing Foles come in on that contract, I have to say.

BonnieSituation · 18-03-2020 10:13pm

Chris Harris is going to the Chargers.

Not the Saints...

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/18/saints-free-agency-report-chris-harris-jr-broncos-news/

I'm obviously more miffed that we're losing him. But to the Chargers, that's brutal.

thomond2006 · 18-03-2020 11:32pm

Knex. wrote: »

I'd be pretty underwhelmed if I was a Bears fan seeing Foles come in on that contract, I have to say.

I'm aghast as to how the Bears were made to pay a fourth round pick for that eventual contract.

If Foles is a bust, he pockets 21m.
If he's great, he walks in the off-season.

At the very least he should have been made sign a cut price contract like Tannehill.

The_Honeybadger · 18-03-2020 11:48pm

Surely Jax should have sent picks to Chicago with Foles rather than the other way around, or at the very least paid some of the base salary? They obviously wanted him gone to clean up their cap. Might work out ok for Chicago if he is good but I think they could have gotten a better deal, nobody else was trading for him

ItAintMeBabe · 19-03-2020 12:39am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Eric DeCosta rules DeRoost.

Playing a blinder so far. Very excited to see who we draft and how the Judon situation plays out.

Realt Dearg Sec · 19-03-2020 1:38am

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Surely Jax should have sent picks to Chicago with Foles rather than the other way around, or at the very least paid some of the base salary? They obviously wanted him gone to clean up their cap. Might work out ok for Chicago if he is good but I think they could have gotten a better deal, nobody else was trading for him

You might have noticed a pattern with the Bears GM competing against imaginary opponents for the services of dodgy quarterbacks. It's kind of his thing actually.

The_Honeybadger · 19-03-2020 2:19am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

You might have noticed a pattern with the Bears GM competing against imaginary opponents for the services of dodgy quarterbacks. It's kind of his thing actually.

I don’t actually think he is the worst fit in Chicago, Foles is streaky but he’s a good option if Trubisky continues to disappoint. If the fourth rounder was going the other way I’d be fine with it.

BonnieSituation · 19-03-2020 2:40am

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

I don’t actually think he is the worst fit in Chicago, Foles is streaky but he’s a good option if Trubisky continues to disappoint. If the fourth rounder was going the other way I’d be fine with it.

TBF to Foles, he didn't get a proper run of it in JAX. So I would give him the benefit.

He's definitely the sort of guy, like Tannehill seemed to be, that you want waiting in the wings to allow you to have confidence in the other guy, if you know what I mean.

Plus, he's such a likeable bollóx as well.

Itssoeasy · 19-03-2020 3:04am

If I was a bears fan(I'm not) I'd be happy to get nick foles. He's not streaky either he's just in recent seasons never got a full run and that's not helpful. I mean when given the chance he has proven how good he is. I mean Carson wentz got the eagles most of the way to the super bowl but folks got motoring and he played a huge part in that championship season. Does this mean that Mitch is on borrowed time ?

I can believe that Brady left NE but I'd never have said tampa bay would be the team he'd go to. The AFC east will be interesting next season for the first time in years. Who's in the frame to go to the pats ?

The_Honeybadger · 19-03-2020 9:12am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

If I was a bears fan(I'm not) I'd be happy to get nick foles. He's not streaky either he's just in recent seasons never got a full run and that's not helpful. I mean when given the chance he has proven how good he is. I mean Carson wentz got the eagles most of the way to the super bowl but folks got motoring and he played a huge part in that championship season. Does this mean that Mitch is on borrowed time ?

I can believe that Brady left NE but I'd never have said tampa bay would be the team he'd go to. The AFC east will be interesting next season for the first time in years. Who's in the frame to go to the pats ?

When I said streaky what I mean is that he has been very up and down over his career as a whole, he was absolutely dreadful at times and was talking about retiring at one point before he joined the eagles. You kind of don’t know what you are going to get when you put him out there in the way that you would with a steady eddy like Dalton.

raze_them_all_ · 19-03-2020 9:31am

Chris Godwin and Mike Evans for Brady to throw to? He will love having wrs

D9Male · 19-03-2020 10:34am

I think the Hopkins trade was weird, and I would definitely opine that the Cardinals look like they got the better side of the transaction.

That said, there were clearly clashes between the player and coaches. And if there is a good year to be drafting a QB, this is it.

StringerBell · 19-03-2020 10:54am

Have heard that the Bucs are going to take on AB also, just came from word of mouth through a buddy of mine in the states. Haven't checked into it yet, they are not that insane are they? Even if Brady was wanting him he is just too big a risk for an organisation surely?

The_Honeybadger · 19-03-2020 11:26am

StringerBell wrote: »

Have heard that the Bucs are going to take on AB also, just came from word of mouth through a buddy of mine in the states. Haven't checked into it yet, they are not that insane are they? Even if Brady was wanting him he is just too big a risk for an organisation surely?

Not sure AB is a good idea, too many egos in one WR room and not enough targets to go around. That’s leaving aside the fact the league still have not dealt with whatever suspension he is going to get if he signs somewhere, or the fact that Arians was not overly complimentary of him as a person after their time together with the Steelers.

That said, if AB was on a short leash with no guaranteed money and understood that Evans is the No. 1 it might work, AB can do everything, I doubt there is anybody better in the slot even though he is known mainly as an outside guy so they could probably work him in, and it would give them plenty of cover in case somebody gets injured.

Nothing would surprise me at this stage.

Realt Dearg Sec · 19-03-2020 2:43pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

If I was a bears fan(I'm not) I'd be happy to get nick foles. He's not streaky either he's just in recent seasons never got a full run and that's not helpful. I mean when given the chance he has proven how good he is. I mean Carson wentz got the eagles most of the way to the super bowl but folks got motoring and he played a huge part in that championship season. Does this mean that Mitch is on borrowed time ?

I can believe that Brady left NE but I'd never have said tampa bay would be the team he'd go to. The AFC east will be interesting next season for the first time in years. Who's in the frame to go to the pats ?

My problem with the trade isn't foles, he's an ok QB that had worked with most of our coaching staff at one point or other, and he's an improvement on trubisky. The problem is his huge bloated contract, that we actually gave up a pick for. We're not in a good position in terms of cap. It's clearly a "win now" move because longer term it leaves us in a bad position. But I don't think we are good enough to win now.

But hey, we have Jimmy Graham right? Be grand.

the baby bull elephant · 19-03-2020 2:48pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

My problem with the trade isn't foles, he's an ok QB that had worked with most of our coaching staff at one point or other, and he's an improvement on trubisky. The problem is his huge bloated contract, that we actually gave up a pick for. We're not in a good position in terms of cap. It's clearly a "win now" move because longer term it leaves us in a bad position. But I don't think we are good enough to win now.

But hey, we have Jimmy Graham right? Be grand.

Thought I read the Bears would only have 5m dead cap from Foles in any future moves?

adrian522 · 19-03-2020 3:29pm

If this is right then its not too bad. Jaguars are still on the hook for the signing bonus.

Cap hit over the next 3 years is $15m, $20m, $20m

All the guaranteed money is in year one. Seems like they could move on without penalty after 2020 if they need to.

https://overthecap.com/player/nick-foles/773/

D9Male · 19-03-2020 3:44pm

That looks like a good move for the Bears, or at least one that justifies the spend of a 4th round pick.

Realt Dearg Sec · 19-03-2020 4:51pm

adrian522 wrote: »

If this is right then its not too bad. Jaguars are still on the hook for the signing bonus.

Cap hit over the next 3 years is $15m, $20m, $20m

All the guaranteed money is in year one. Seems like they could move on without penalty after 2020 if they need to.

https://overthecap.com/player/nick-foles/773/

I know people always say don't just lookat the number, wait and see the details, but I never learn.

That is better.

Also while it's a fourth rounder, it's a compensatory pick, so more like a high fifth.

Still though, Jimmy Graham. I'm holding on to that part of my rant.

Foxtrol · 19-03-2020 5:02pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I know people always say don't just lookat the number, wait and see the details, but I never learn.

That is better.

Also while it's a fourth rounder, it's a compensatory pick, so more like a high fifth.

Still though, Jimmy Graham. I'm holding on to that part of my rant.

Jags were probably going to eventually cut him but his price on the open market would likely have been higher than what they'll pay now, which is important given their cap situation. Though I don't rate him at all, if they believe he is their guy then it was a good trade-off, comp for cap space.

Graham was terrible though, whatever way you look at it.

The_Honeybadger · 19-03-2020 5:32pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Jags were probably going to eventually cut him but his price on the open market would likely have been higher than what they'll pay now, which is important given their cap situation. Though I don't rate him at all, if they believe he is their guy then it was a good trade-off, comp for cap space.

Graham was terrible though, whatever way you look at it.

Would he get more on the open market? Very few starting jobs left up for grabs and nobody is paying him that to be a backup imo. Anyway, intriguing camp battle ahead there, Trubisky will probably get the benefit of the doubt to start the season?

Foxtrol · 19-03-2020 5:52pm

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Would he get more on the open market? Very few starting jobs left up for grabs and nobody is paying him that to be a backup imo. Anyway, intriguing camp battle ahead there, Trubisky will probably get the benefit of the doubt to start the season?

Fair, it impossible to know for definite. I don't think the situation the Bears are in they could low ball him, even if there is minimal interest. Foles knows he has a chance to be starter there so would want low end starter money. They would need to pay a signing bonus and that would then make a cut later more difficult.

By letting him get on the open market you're also risking a team like the Patriots coming in for him, where they would likely be much more tempting, even if their offer is a lot less.

The_Honeybadger · 19-03-2020 6:08pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Fair, it impossible to know for definite. I don't think the situation the Bears are in they could low ball him, even if there is minimal interest. Foles knows he has a chance to be starter there so would want low end starter money. They would need to pay a signing bonus and that would then make a cut later more difficult.

By letting him get on the open market you're also risking a team like the Patriots coming in for him, where they would likely be much more tempting, even if their offer is a lot less.

Yes, Chicago situation is a bit unique. They are probably not far off a championship roster but they have a cost controlled high first round QB they are not sure about. Bringing in Foles behind him makes sense, where it may not work for others. If he plays well it’ll look like a very good move, time will tell.

Realt Dearg Sec · 19-03-2020 6:11pm

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Yes, Chicago situation is a bit unique. They are probably not far off a championship roster but they have a cost controlled high first round QB they are not sure about. Bringing in Foles behind him makes sense, where it may not work for others. If he plays well it’ll look like a very good move, time will tell.

Yeah I'm not convinced Foles is the QB to turn us into a championship team. Not by any means. But I definitely think he's a step up from Trubisky. When you're a score down and Trubisky comes on the field you just have no particular reason to feel like something might happen, a three and out always seems more likely. But put Foles in there and you think, well...maybe?

The_Honeybadger · 19-03-2020 6:55pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Yeah I'm not convinced Foles is the QB to turn us into a championship team. Not by any means. But I definitely think he's a step up from Trubisky. When you're a score down and Trubisky comes on the field you just have no particular reason to feel like something might happen, a three and out always seems more likely. But put Foles in there and you think, well...maybe?

Not suggesting for a second that Foles puts the Bears over the top, just that the Bears should be eying the playoffs at a minimum. They clearly don’t trust Trubisky so need a quality backup because there is a very good chance he will see the field for reasons other than injury. Other teams can be a little bit more relaxed about it.

Do you think Foles will be the starter?

Realt Dearg Sec · 19-03-2020 7:20pm

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Not suggesting for a second that Foles puts the Bears over the top, just that the Bears should be eying the playoffs at a minimum. They clearly don’t trust Trubisky so need a quality backup because there is a very good chance he will see the field for reasons other than injury. Other teams can be a little bit more relaxed about it.

Do you think Foles will be the starter?

I would hope he's the starter, just because I have no faith in Trubisky anymore. I don't know that he will be necessarily. Probably they start with Trubs and if he doesn't produce the goods in the first two weeks he's gone by Week 3. That's probably wiser for the coaches, since it means they have a cause for optimism. If they start Foles at the beginning and he's terrible then bringing in Trubisky at that stage is pretty much admitting you're done.

The_Honeybadger · 19-03-2020 8:52pm

Todd Gurley released by the Rams. $20m in dead cap, this is actually costing them $3m more vs the cap for the year than if they kept him.

rebelyell99 · 19-03-2020 9:31pm

Sean Payton tests positive for coronavirus ,1st person in the nfl.I hope this season starts on time where likely not gonna have much else between now and September.

Foxtrol · 19-03-2020 11:21pm

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Todd Gurley released by the Rams. $20m in dead cap, this is actually costing them $3m more vs the cap for the year than if they kept him.

They made such a mess of things there.

High risk approach with trades and contracts that has now caught up with them. Wouldn't be a huge surprise if they ended up being bottom of the NFC West next season

BonnieSituation · 19-03-2020 11:24pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

They made such a mess of things there.

High risk approach with trades and contracts that has now caught up with them. Wouldn't be a huge surprise if they ended up being bottom of the NFC West next season

It very nearly worked!!!

But yeah, it doesn't look great.

The_Honeybadger · 19-03-2020 11:42pm

It’s brutal when you look at the details of that unnecessary early extension. He didn’t play a single snap in the new years of his deal.

https://twitter.com/bradotc/status/1240747635562237955?s=21

jack presley · 20-03-2020 1:56pm

Gurley's signing with Atlanta. Wonder how they'll do the physical.

kmart6 · 20-03-2020 3:26pm

jack presley wrote: »

Gurley's signing with Atlanta. Wonder how they'll do the physical.

Same with every physical that is taking place across the league right now, agreed upon independent doctor carries the physical out and results are shared with the team who will then base decisions off that. Imagine a caveat of a team performed physical will be worked in for when the restrictions are removed.

Foxtrol · 20-03-2020 3:36pm

kmart6 wrote: »

Same with every physical that is taking place across the league right now, agreed upon independent doctor carries the physical out and results are shared with the team who will then base decisions off that. Imagine a caveat of a team performed physical will be worked in for when the restrictions are removed.

I don't think teams can put that caveat into the contract. The pre-contract physical is the physical that the independent doctor is doing and the team is on the hook for whatever guarantees etc there are.

It is likely part of the reason why Clowney and Gorden aren't seeing much of a market.

The Gurley deal is only for 1 year so it is a minimal risk for the Falcons.

Knex* · 20-03-2020 3:50pm

Probably why nobody is trading for Cam either. Physical for him would be massive.

Foxtrol · 20-03-2020 4:39pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

It very nearly worked!!!

But yeah, it doesn't look great.

All of their worst decisions actually came after the Super Bowl appearance - paying Goff & Gurley and trading so much for Ramsey.

kmart6 · 20-03-2020 5:23pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

I don't think teams can put that caveat into the contract. The pre-contract physical is the physical that the independent doctor is doing and the team is on the hook for whatever guarantees etc there are.

It is likely part of the reason why Clowney and Gorden aren't seeing much of a market.

The Gurley deal is only for 1 year so it is a minimal risk for the Falcons.

Will be the same for teams looking to draft Tua too really then, won't be able to get a proper look at him.

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