NFL Offseason 2020

Foxtrol

Apparently 49ers 'out' on making a run at Brady in FA. In my opinion they were never 'in' on him and it was all coming from Brady's camp.

With the Titans out too, there is a dwindling number of teams looking like they'll be interested, so likely back to NE for Tom.

ScrubsfanChris

Draft is being pushed to atleast May and wont be held in Vegas
Hotels being given heads up it's not happening.

https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1239213019172872192?s=19

The_Honeybadger

Foxtrol wrote: »

Yes. 2021 is when it will move to 48% share, 48.5% if they go to 17 games. Saw estimates of up to 240m.

It helps not only with restructuring, teams can just back load contracts for new players to sign. Would have been hard to risk either not knowing what the CBA was going to end up as.

Thanks, 30% rule prevented the backloaded contracts up to now in any case, I just wasn’t sure what year the new deal kicked in.

Will be odd to see all this money swilling around with everything else that is going on. Surprised they didn’t postpone the start of the league year

Foxtrol

I'm enjoying the tag process going right up to the wire.

Latest being Dak tagged meaning Cooper hits FA

VillaMad

The Patriots have franchise tagged Joe Thuney which means they wouldn't have a whole lot of money around to keep Brady.

I suspect however that they may well trade Thuney and get a draft pick back.

VillaMad

15 Franchise Tags used:
Yannick Ngakoue - Jacksonville Jaguars
Chris Jones - Kansas City Chiefs
Leonard Williams - New York Giants
AJ Green - Cincinnati Bengals
Bud Dupree - Pittsburgh Steelers
Matthew Judon - Baltimore Ravens
Shaq Barrett - Tamba Bay Buccaneers
Brandon Scherff - Washington Redskins
Justin Simmons - Denver Broncos
Hunter Henry - LA Chargers
Derrick Henry - Tennessee Titans
Dak Prescott - Dallas Cowboys
Joe Thuney - New England Patriots
Anthony Harris - Minnesota Vikings

Free agency has now begun.

ScrubsfanChris

Reports now saying the draft will go ahead on time and as scheduled.
No public events will take place and I assume that means no geering crowds either.

Still hundreds of nfl and team staff plus media. Seems a bit dim witted.

letowski

Austin Hooper to the Browns per himself, unless someone comes in late. A lot of high profile skill position players in Cleveland next year.

Knex*

Interesting. Wonder what that means for Njoku?

Or is it a case of seeing Mayfield's regression without his TE last year and giving him an insurance blanket.

VillaMad

Knex. wrote: »

Interesting. Wonder what that means for Njoku?

Or is it a case of seeing Mayfield's regression without his TE last year and giving him an insurance blanket.

Stefanski used 2 or more Tight-ends than other team last season with Minnesota, so I expect Njoku to stay. Since Njoku is on his rookie deal, it doesn't make much sense to trade him unless they obviously don't rate him.

VillaMad

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1239597724082876417

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1239599141451264000

Knex*

Never thought I'd see Flowers make decent bank in the NFL again, I have to say.

adrian522

Not sure I like this to be honest.

https://twitter.com/mattbarrows/status/1239601187122364426

VillaMad

Wow! Massive trade
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1239602540737683462

adrian522

Bill O'Brien! Texans need a GM ASAP.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Sam/status/1239603411974262784

VillaMad

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1239604333836206082

Awful deal for the Texans.

Peter King called it this morning in his column.

It might be just pre-draft chatter, but two teams over the weekend told me to watch Houston and DeAndre Hopkins, who has three years and a reasonable $40 million left on his contract, and who’d cause only a $3-million cap hit to the Texans if they traded him. Houston is currently in draft hell, without a top-50 pick in 2020 and 2021, and coach Bill O’Brien has huge needs to fill on his offensive line, in the secondary and overall youth on the front seven; J.J. Watt and Whitney Mercilus will play this year at 31 and 30.

adrian522

All chat relating to Free Agency and offseason here...

thomond2006

There's got to be more to the Hopkins trade. On paper this is an awful deal for the Texans.

KrustyUCC

Cardinals fleeced them

Foxtrol

What always shocks me by these one sided trades is how no other team offered slightly more. Do these GMs not even try to shop the player around to see if they can get a better deal?

letowski

Its crazy aswell as the Carlos Hyde/Duke Johnson combo was quite solid.

Texans are taking on all of David Johnson's salary too.

Mad stuff.

Foxtrol

adrian522 wrote: »

Not sure I like this to be honest.

Really depends on the fine print. I don't think anyone in the squad could fill his shoes but with the DL so loaded it would still be one of the best in the league without him.

If they keep him they should do all they can to ship off Thomas to create some cap space, even for a minimal return.

adrian522

As long as this doesn't mean moving on from Ford or Buckner I guess its ok. The problem is that for this contract to be worthwhile he needs to play to 2019 levels consistently. It's not possible for him to out perform that contract really.

Agree though, we need to see the breakdown per year and the guarentess.

OOnegative

Ramon Foster retiring after 11 seasons with the Steelers

VillaMad

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1239618575301849088

VillaMad

Looks like Stefon Diggs could be moving as well.

https://twitter.com/stefondiggs/status/1239624004345958400

Foxtrol

VillaMad wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1239618575301849088

Basically the same value as Hopkins... :rolleyes:

The_Honeybadger

I’m stunned at that Hopkins trade, absolutely stunned. That’s a game changer for the Cardinals who were trying to offload Johnson anyway. Well done Cardinals.

Cannot see any upside for the Texans on the face of it.

Oat23

About an hour ago the Bears were working on a deal to sign Bridgewater and now the reports are saying it's not happening and we're focused on Andy Dalton.


And I'm ready to be taken out behind the shed and shot. What's the point anymore.

thomond2006

Oat23 wrote: »

About an hour ago the Bears were working on a deal to sign Bridgewater and now the reports are saying it's not happening and we're focused on Andy Dalton.


And I'm ready to be taken out behind the shed and shot. What's the point anymore.

I never expected Bridgewater. A player of his level is not signing to 'compete' with Trubisky. If Trubisky is benched the entire front office is getting the sack.

mikemac2

Last season the Ravens traded their backup kicker who they were never going to put on the roster to the Vikings for a 5th rounder.

Gave that 5th rounder to the Jags for Calais Campbell.

I love this move. Our most obvious position of need and he will be a super addition even if he will be 34 in Week 1. 2 years 27 million is a fair contract


Hayden Hurst was drafted before Lamar Jackson, sometimes forgotten. Hurst and a 4th to the Falcons for a 2nd and a 5th. I also like this move

Hurst was injured his first year and never quite showed what a first round pick should but he certainly is not a bust. Just he has been outperformed by the 3rd rounder in the same draft Mark Andrews. There is also Nick Boyle who is more of a blocking type.


Two good moves, Eric DeCosta doing his stuff

Foxtrol

adrian522 wrote: »

As long as this doesn't mean moving on from Ford or Buckner I guess its ok. The problem is that for this contract to be worthwhile he needs to play to 2019 levels consistently. It's not possible for him to out perform that contract really.

Agree though, we need to see the breakdown per year and the guarentess.

Buckner gone to the Colts...

Foxtrol

Foxtrol wrote: »

Buckner gone to the Colts...

Pick #13 and Buckner getting $21m a year.

Will need to start researching the draft again

raze_them_all_

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

I’m stunned at that Hopkins trade, absolutely stunned. That’s a game changer for the Cardinals who were trying to offload Johnson anyway. Well done Cardinals.

Cannot see any upside for the Texans on the face of it.

Is it though?? There defence needs serious work and they got good of a pretty decent rb. They are literally putting everything in the score what ye want we will score more basket

the baby bull elephant

Oat23 wrote: »

About an hour ago the Bears were working on a deal to sign Bridgewater and now the reports are saying it's not happening and we're focused on Andy Dalton.


And I'm ready to be taken out behind the shed and shot. What's the point anymore.

I'd be more worried about the Bears if they had Dalton over Bridgewater.

VillaMad wrote: »

Looks like Stefon Diggs could be moving as well.

https://twitter.com/stefondiggs/status/1239624004345958400

Diggs seems to pull this type of crap a lot. Loves an ambiguous tweet.

adrian522

Foxtrol wrote: »

Pick #13 and Buckner getting $21m a year.

Will need to start researching the draft again

F**k this. Seriously. He had another year on his rookie deal and is superior to Armstead, has been good every year and never seems to be injured.

The_Honeybadger

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Is it though?? There defence needs serious work and they got good of a pretty decent rb. They are literally putting everything in the score what ye want we will score more basket

It’s a stretch to call Johnson a decent RB at this stage given his injury history and contract, they will be thrilled to have him off the books. Their passing attack should improve with Hopkins on board and Murray in year two which is what they are very openly going for. It’s a very good trade from the Cardinals perspective imo.

I’m not saying it puts them in the championship conversation, or that they don’t have other needs.

The_Honeybadger

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

I'd be more worried about the Bears if they had Dalton over Bridgewater.

I’d take Dalton over Bridgewater too, Dalton has been in a bad spot with a bunch of turnstiles blocking for him. He is not that bad, and is an upgrade over Trubisky

thomond2006

SF now hold #13 and #31.

Does the Jimmy G trade talk start now? Those two picks are a decent start for a trade up.

The_Honeybadger

adrian522 wrote: »

F**k this. Seriously. He had another year on his rookie deal and is superior to Armstead, has been good every year and never seems to be injured.

They can’t pay everyone on that line. I can see the logic of taking the first round pick for Buckner while they can, but always tough to see good players leave.

Good trade for the Colts, they have loads of cap room and get an instant star that can slot in to an area of need

Foxtrol

adrian522 wrote: »

F**k this. Seriously. He had another year on his rookie deal and is superior to Armstead, has been good every year and never seems to be injured.

I've gotten over the surprise and have come to terms with it a bit now. It does make that Super Bowl loss hurt even more, knowing it was the last game he played for the team.

I think Buckner is a superior player, a great leader and person but is his impact worth Donald money?

The maths were paying him ~$21m per year and potentially getting a 3rd round comp pick in 2021 or keeping Armstead for ~$17m per year and #13 this year. I'd have preferred getting rid of someone like Thomas but anyone we want to get rid of has little to no trade value.

As all draft pick trades, it all rides on what they do with the draft capital. We're suddenly in a place where Kyle could get his hands on one of the top WRs.

Foxtrol

thomond2006 wrote: »

SF now hold #13 and #31.

Does the Jimmy G trade talk start now? Those two picks are a decent start for a trade up.

No.

The guy came off an ACL injury and led his team to 13-3 record and a Super Bowl appearance. Yes, he had a bad half a quarter, while likely concussed, but the hyperbole around him is crazy. At this point the 49ers are in a Super Bowl window and he has a good grasp of a very difficult system and is on a relatively cheap deal. Talk of trading him is madness.

VillaMad

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1239658577914146817

My Browns are getting things done again in the off-season. Draft a left-tackle and no excuses for Baker Mayfield.

adrian522

thomond2006 wrote: »

SF now hold #13 and #31.

Does the Jimmy G trade talk start now? Those two picks are a decent start for a trade up.

No, it does 2 things, frees up $12m in cap and gives them some draft capital. I would see a WR being a target at 13 or maybe a DB.

I don't think they are in the market for a QB, they could even trade down from 13.

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

They can’t pay everyone on that line. I can see the logic of taking the first round pick for Buckner while they can, but always tough to see good players leave.

Good trade for the Colts, they have loads of cap room and get an instant star that can slot in to an area of need

They can't pay everyone, but they paid Armstead, who is not as good, had only 1 really good year etc. Also Buckner was under contract for 2020 so there was no urgency to pay him.

I get it, better get a first round pick now then a 3rd comp pick in 2022 and they got good value for him but I'd have preferred him to stay.

I guess they also need to pay Kittle this season so something had to give but I'm not real impressed with this move.

Foxtrol wrote: »

I've gotten over the surprise and have come to terms with it a bit now. It does make that Super Bowl loss hurt even more, knowing it was the last game he played for the team.

I think Buckner is a superior player, a great leader and person but is his impact worth Donald money?

The maths were paying him ~$21m per year and potentially getting a 3rd round comp pick in 2021 or keeping Armstead for ~$17m per year and #13 this year. I'd have preferred getting rid of someone like Thomas but anyone we want to get rid of has little to no trade value.

As all draft pick trades, it all rides on what they do with the draft capital. We're suddenly in a place where Kyle could get his hands on one of the top WRs.

Yeah, I get that, it probably points more towards long term building than going all in in 2020.

They better get this draft right though.

letowski

Foxtrol wrote:

I've gotten over the surprise and have come to terms with it a bit now. It does make that Super Bowl loss hurt even more, knowing it was the last game he played for the team.

I think Buckner is a superior player, a great leader and person but is his impact worth Donald money?

The maths were paying him ~$21m per year and potentially getting a 3rd round comp pick in 2021 or keeping Armstead for ~$17m per year and #13 this year. I'd have preferred getting rid of someone like Thomas but anyone we want to get rid of has little to no trade value.

As all draft pick trades, it all rides on what they do with the draft capital. We're suddenly in a place where Kyle could get his hands on one of the top WRs.

I think its a win win for both teams. The 3tech position was the second biggest need for the Colts, so were delighted to get an elite player there. SF will still get top dline play next year and the #13 pick will give SF a great asset to improve in whichever area they feel needs a significant upgrade.

Oat23

Desperation signing from Pace. We have 10TEs under contract currently and they are all either injury prone or useless/over the hill.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1239698652412760064

thomond2006

Ugh that's a pretty grim signing to add to a very underwhelming TE group.

kmart6

Diggs to Bills.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1239742121885798403?s=19

Jamie Collins to Detroit.
Mariota to Raiders.

Cooper staying out

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1239747073530003457?s=19

el Fenomeno

That's a lot of money.

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1239703292638306305?s=21

phatkev

That Diggs trade makes what the Texans got look a whole lot worse!

adrian522

phatkev wrote: »

That Diggs trade makes what the Texans got look a whole lot worse!

How may teams would give up a first round pick for Hopkins? At least 20 probably.