Dairy Chitchat 3

Coolfresian · 29-05-2020 1:43pm

Finished the first cut today, got 140 acres in the pit since Tuesday. Do it ourselves, with help from family and some great neighbours.
Very high yields this year, kept 7 acres back that IL cut and feed out to cows daily over the next week to supplement the grazing platform. Have been cutting some and feeding it out the last week and really helping covers.

visatorro · 29-05-2020 2:52pm

GrasstoMilk wrote:

Why have you had such low growth?

Rain, east wind, now no moisture. Soil index are a work in progress but not full problem.

straight · 29-05-2020 4:38pm

visatorro wrote: »

Rain, east wind, now no moisture. Soil index are a work in progress but not full problem.

That cold wind and frost did wreck around here too. Hedges and all got burnt

K.G. · 29-05-2020 7:00pm

Coolfresian wrote: »

Finished the first cut today, got 140 acres in the pit since Tuesday. Do it ourselves, with help from family and some great neighbours.
Very high yields this year, kept 7 acres back that IL cut and feed out to cows daily over the next week to supplement the grazing platform. Have been cutting some and feeding it out the last week and really helping covers.

Is that full blown grown silage that your zeroing in.are they eating it

Coolfresian · 29-05-2020 7:28pm

K.G. wrote: »

Is that full blown grown silage that your zeroing in.are they eating it

Yeah it's fully grown silage. Mow what I need daily and gather it with our harvester. Keep it fresh.They are eating it very well. I Leave them in sheds for hour or so after each milking. Intake higher than I expected. It's helping keep covers up since I started.

cjpm · 29-05-2020 8:57pm

Coolfresian wrote: »

Yeah it's fully grown silage. Mow what I need daily and gather it with our harvester. Keep it fresh.They are eating it very well. I Leave them in sheds for hour or so after each milking. Intake higher than I expected. It's helping keep covers up since I started.

What kind of gear are you using in your silage outfit? If you don’t mind me asking. Pm if you wish. Sound

Buford T. Justice XIX · 29-05-2020 9:33pm

I thought I'd post this here, some astounding figures there:(
https://twitter.com/terrierview/status/1266411634014277633?s=19

Say my name · 29-05-2020 9:40pm

New Zealand looking at us. And we looking at them.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/21-05-2020/carbon-neutral-dairy-farming-isnt-just-sustainable-its-more-profitable-too/

Mooooo · 30-05-2020 9:24pm

Let the vasectomised bulls off with the cow's today. Wires down in the paddock then this evening..... At least the cow's might just lie down tonight with the full bellies

Castlekeeper · 30-05-2020 11:03pm

visatorro wrote: »

Dead crow in a drinker yesterday morning. Fished it out with a pigtail. Another dead crow in same drinker this morning. Dirty bastards

Thirsty is the word your looking for.
Just put a short 2" plank in the water troughs and both the birds and yourself will be better off.

Castlekeeper · 30-05-2020 11:08pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Just did a walk this morning, growth back again to 64, just matching demand. I have a strong paddock, up at 2200 and starting to head out that I was hoping to take out this week but I'll be left with a massive hole in the wedge if I don't graze it.

Rain needed here again, the heavier paddocks motoring at over 90 and the drier ones in the 40s.

More of the NZ lingo us catching on every year
with the dairy disciples, MTs, milking platform, now "hole in the wedge", it's better than a wedge in the hole I suppose.

Castlekeeper · 30-05-2020 11:10pm

Coolfresian wrote: »

Finished the first cut today, got 140 acres in the pit since Tuesday. Do it ourselves, with help from family and some great neighbours.
Very high yields this year, kept 7 acres back that IL cut and feed out to cows daily over the next week to supplement the grazing platform. Have been cutting some and feeding it out the last week and really helping covers.

All wynds?

greenfield21 · 30-05-2020 11:36pm

Castlekeeper wrote: »

More of the NZ lingo us catching on every year
with the dairy disciples, MTs, milking platform, now "hole in the wedge", it's better than a wedge in the hole I suppose.

No need to troll us. We know It's the gospel according to teagasc, For your sins go of and read the teagasc Bible twice. Amen.

Castlekeeper · 30-05-2020 11:43pm

greenfield21 wrote: »

No need to troll us. We know It's the gospel according to teagasc, For your sins go of and read the teagasc Bible twice. Amen.

My local advisor has taken the place of the priest every weekend sends us something "interesting" every Saturday night without fail, Jesus wept.

whelan2 · 31-05-2020 6:16am

visatorro wrote: »

Dead crow in a drinker yesterday morning. Fished it out with a pigtail. Another dead crow in same drinker this morning. Dirty bastards

I read that as dead cow. I was thinking he must have massive drinkers :eek:

Panch18 · 31-05-2020 7:25am

Coolfresian wrote: »

Finished the first cut today, got 140 acres in the pit since Tuesday. Do it ourselves, with help from family and some great neighbours.
Very high yields this year, kept 7 acres back that IL cut and feed out to cows daily over the next week to supplement the grazing platform. Have been cutting some and feeding it out the last week and really helping covers.

Maybe this question should be in the machinery thread but what kit have you got?

whelan2 · 31-05-2020 10:20am

My augers didn't work this morning. I checked everything, no blockages etc. Milking machine man came and it was the overload switch had tripped. Didn't fancy filling them by hand .

The Rabbi · 31-05-2020 11:27am

Coolfresian wrote: »

Finished the first cut today, got 140 acres in the pit since Tuesday. Do it ourselves, with help from family and some great neighbours.
Very high yields this year, kept 7 acres back that IL cut and feed out to cows daily over the next week to supplement the grazing platform. Have been cutting some and feeding it out the last week and really helping covers.

Are you using zero grazer or mowing and picking up?

Dakota Dan · 31-05-2020 3:42pm

Castlekeeper wrote: »

More of the NZ lingo us catching on every year
with the dairy disciples, MTs, milking platform, now "hole in the wedge", it's better than a wedge in the hole I suppose.

The grazing platform is one silly phrase, a platform is a raised wooden structure how the kiwi’s figured an area of grass is a platform still baffles me and the clowns here using the term now.

kevthegaff · 31-05-2020 9:04pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

The grazing platform is one silly phrase, a platform is a raised wooden structure how the kiwi’s figured an area of grass is a platform still baffles me and the clowns here using the term now.

For some reason I like the ring of it

K.G. · 31-05-2020 10:10pm

Gas the way some people hate absolutely anything nz.i can imagine years from now the real civil war between the grass/solids gang and the litres/ration gang will be discussed and various atrocities on the internet forums comitted by both sides will be debated and glorified. As the young crowd say what ever

straight · 31-05-2020 10:45pm

K.G. wrote: »

Gas the way some people hate absolutely anything nz.i can imagine years from now the real civil war between the grass/solids gang and the litres/ration gang will be discussed and various atrocities on the internet forums comitted by both sides will be debated and glorified. As the young crowd say what ever

I'm not sure if I'm in the solids or litres gang but I got 1000 litres per cow for may. Fair going I think myself. You need the litres to carry the solids. If only the price was a bit higher.

dar31 · 31-05-2020 10:58pm

straight wrote: »

I'm not sure if I'm in the solids or litres gang but I got 1000 litres per cow for may. Fair going I think myself. You need the litres to carry the solids. If only the price was a bit higher.

How many kg/ms per cow for the month

straight · 31-05-2020 11:07pm

dar31 wrote: »

How many kg/ms per cow for the month

I don't actually know lad but they held around the 2.1 kgms throughout. No point quoting percentages or litres alone cos it's only half the story I know. They're going well for me this year so far

mahoney_j · 31-05-2020 11:33pm

K.G. wrote: »

Gas the way some people hate absolutely anything nz.i can imagine years from now the real civil war between the grass/solids gang and the litres/ration gang will be discussed and various atrocities on the internet forums comitted by both sides will be debated and glorified. As the young crowd say what ever

I just hate the way it’s New Zealand or the highway .totally blinkered viewing by the likes of certain reporters/advisors in the journal and tegasc in a way there just put on a pedestal from what I can see a lot of us here doing things to a far higher /better standard

Mooooo · 01-06-2020 12:11am

straight wrote: »

I'm not sure if I'm in the solids or litres gang but I got 1000 litres per cow for may. Fair going I think myself. You need the litres to carry the solids. If only the price was a bit higher.

That's good going I'd say as well, did about 790 here sold per cow. Prob avg 50 calves or so on milk for the month as well. 63% first and second calvers, 4kg meal waiting on last result but bf 3.75 and P 3.49. Had a slightly higher percentage of first and second last year but actually peaked a litre or 2 higher last year, but more cow's this year

Gawddawggonnit · 01-06-2020 7:02am

mahoney_j wrote: »

I just hate the way it’s New Zealand or the highway .totally blinkered viewing by the likes of certain reporters/advisors in the journal and tegasc in a way there just put on a pedestal from what I can see a lot of us here doing things to a far higher /better standard

I always quote grain yields in tons/ha when talking to Irish farmers, quintal/ha when talking to French farmers, cwt/acre when talking to the Brits etc.
But when talking to Irish dairy farmers about milk yields, I find that I’ve constantly to be up to date with the latest NZ lingo...

I’d look the right pap talking in quintaux/ha to Irish tillage farmers?

whelan2 · 01-06-2020 9:26am

Are lads still spreading fertiliser?

Mooooo · 01-06-2020 9:55am

whelan2 wrote: »

Are lads still spreading fertiliser?

Yeah, 19 units of protected urea+S. Had growth of 75 here the last week tho. With heavy ground ye should be flying it Whelan?

jaymla627 · 01-06-2020 10:06am

mahoney_j wrote: »

I just hate the way it’s New Zealand or the highway .totally blinkered viewing by the likes of certain reporters/advisors in the journal and tegasc in a way there just put on a pedestal from what I can see a lot of us here doing things to a far higher /better standard

If significant rain dosent come shortly, and we get another 2018 event it wont be actually viable to be breeding grass rat cows longterm and trying to operate spring calving herds breed for 95% grass based diets when your main growing months arent growing 70 plus kgs dm/ha consitently that coincides with peak milk yield....
Putting in 6kgs plus of meal into animals that are genitically not bred to respond to it will send lads broke fairly quickly, the kicker for a nice % of glanbia suppliers is they havent even payed of 2018's drought bill yet

kevthegaff · 01-06-2020 10:25am

jaymla627 wrote: »

If significant rain dosent come shortly, and we get another 2018 event it wont be actually viable to be breeding grass rat cows longterm and trying to operate spring calving herds breed for 95% grass based diets when your main growing months arent growing 70 plus kgs dm/ha consitently that coincides with peak milk yield....
Putting in 6kgs plus of meal into animals that are genitically not bred to respond to it will send lads broke fairly quickly, the kicker for a nice % of glanbia suppliers is they havent even payed of 2018's drought bill yet

I think your abit harsh there on the rats and their owners, I think people would like to believe that milking rat cows are heavily indebted and actually losing money

kevthegaff · 01-06-2020 10:26am

By the way I'm happy with my rat cows

kevthegaff · 01-06-2020 10:32am

whelan2 wrote: »

Are lads still spreading fertiliser?

A friend on drought y ground has stopped spreading, I'm spreading compounds on fields with a bit of cover, its changing abit later in the week

GrasstoMilk · 01-06-2020 10:42am

jaymla627 wrote: »

If significant rain dosent come shortly, and we get another 2018 event it wont be actually viable to be breeding grass rat cows longterm and trying to operate spring calving herds breed for 95% grass based diets when your main growing months arent growing 70 plus kgs dm/ha consitently that coincides with peak milk yield....
Putting in 6kgs plus of meal into animals that are genitically not bred to respond to it will send lads broke fairly quickly, the kicker for a nice % of glanbia suppliers is they havent even payed of 2018's drought bill yet

What do you class as a grass rat herd?
Still at 2.25kgs here and we dont pick bulls for milk yield

Yes, anyone that put money into the interest free fund wouldn't have.
You'd would have been mad not to avail of it

kevthegaff · 01-06-2020 11:10am

Some guys salivate on the idea of lads with big merchant debt and lads going bust. I see it with a few lads I know asking the milkman how much a lad sent in, obsessed with everyone else

mahoney_j · 01-06-2020 11:34am

kevthegaff wrote: »

Some guys salivate on the idea of lads with big merchant debt and lads going bust. I see it with a few lads I know asking the milkman how much a lad sent in, obsessed with everyone else

I honestly (and respectfully)couldn’t give a crap what a neighbour /freind etc is doing or not doing .every farm /situation different .i see lots of lads up in arms trying to do what lads in the journal etc are at or trying to compare costs via profit monitors .can never get that ,is it vanity maby maby not .the reality or actual truth of a lot of these is questionable anyway .i like going to farm walks or events of interest the financial figures mean nothing to me I’m interested in how he/she manages grass /ground stock /feeding and what is been got from stock via coop reports

jaymla627 · 01-06-2020 2:08pm

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

What do you class as a grass rat herd?
Still at 2.25kgs here and we dont pick bulls for milk yield

Yes, anyone that put money into the interest free fund wouldn't have.
You'd would have been mad not to avail

Sub 450kgs ms delivered herds breeding cows struggling to hit 530kgs mature weight and a nice % of bull calves been bobbied yearly by one method our another, re the intrest-free money it was a can kicking down the road excercise that will sting lads badly this year with a potential drought situation and poor milk price.
economically once nitrates deroagtion is scrapped and stocking rates have to be lowered, lads with sizeable term loans are still going to have to be sending in x amount of milk solids to meet repayments so the wheel will turn full circle and 8000 litre, 600kgs plus milk solids delivered cows will be needed, but with how the ebi system has been influenced so heavily by fertility/fat/pr % while totally disregarding volume,type,health etc it would take alot of Irish herds the guts of a decade to breed a suitable cow from the base cow we have today on a large % of Irish dairy farms....

whelan2 · 05-06-2020 9:01pm

Milk recorder was here this evening for the first time since February. She asked me did I want her to wear a mask before she started. I said no

alps · 06-06-2020 8:16am

whelan2 wrote: »

Milk recorder was here this evening for the first time since February. She asked me did I want her to wear a mask before she started. I said no

She should not have asked that question. She is to work under the strict protocol of waterproofs, gloves and mask. It is not her choice and she should have put you in an awkward position.

The protocols are there for everyone's protection and also for the continuance of the service. It's a serious breach by an employee.

Castlekeeper · 06-06-2020 10:42am

whelan2 wrote: »

Milk recorder was here this evening for the first time since February. She asked me did I want her to wear a mask before she started. I said no

Was she wearing anything else?
phnar phnar phnuc phnuc ...
I know, i know , getting coat again...

Sugarbowl · 06-06-2020 10:47am

The milker has also been told to keep distance from the recorder and that is happening in very few places from what I have heard.

Reggie. · 06-06-2020 11:08am

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Was she wearing anything else?
phnar phnar phnuc phnuc ...
I know, i know , getting coat again...

And close the door behind ya

whelan2 · 06-06-2020 11:09am

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Was she wearing anything else?
phnar phnar phnuc phnuc ...
I know, i know , getting coat again...

That's for me to know......

Wildsurfer · 07-06-2020 10:17am

If you AI a cow that is already in calf with 3 weeks do you chance doing harm to embryo? I have a few cows with very little paint rubbed and not 100% sure they are on but giving them a straw anyways rather than chance leaving them another 3 weeks

Mooooo · 07-06-2020 10:39am

If she is in calf you could end the pregnancy, and the straw you're putting in won't hold either. Get an experienced ai man maybe one with a scanner and they will tell you if they are in heat or not. Some can do it without the scanner

straight · 07-06-2020 10:42am

Wildsurfer wrote: »

If you AI a cow that is already in calf with 3 weeks do you chance doing harm to embryo? I have a few cows with very little paint rubbed and not 100% sure they are on but giving them a straw anyways rather than chance leaving them another 3 weeks

You can kill the embryo alright. You could ask Ai man not to shove it in too far. I think the weak heats at 3 weeks are very unreliable so I leave it to the bull after 24 or 5 days.

Wildsurfer · 07-06-2020 11:00am

straight wrote: »

You can kill the embryo alright. You could ask Ai man not to shove it in too far. I think the weak heats at 3 weeks are very unreliable so I leave it to the bull after 24 or 5 days.

I had a 2 year old vasectomised bull and he was marking them well for me but unfortunately he ended up in local abattoir after giving me a run bringing cows in for milking!

straight · 07-06-2020 12:01pm

Wildsurfer wrote: »

I had a 2 year old vasectomised bull and he was marking them well for me but unfortunately he ended up in local abattoir after giving me a run bringing cows in for milking!

Right place for the phucker

Birdnuts · 07-06-2020 9:21pm

Wildsurfer wrote: »

I had a 2 year old vasectomised bull and he was marking them well for me but unfortunately he ended up in local abattoir after giving me a run bringing cows in for milking!

One of those feckers nearly killed my mum and Uncle when they were small on my Grandmothers place - the latter still has a scar on his leg from the incident were a gap in the stone wall saved his life!!

Icelandicseige · 08-06-2020 12:31pm

What much would 1rst, 2nd and 3rd calved Dairy cows be worth right now? Thanks.

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