School reopenings -current plan WAS McHugh's plan

km79 · 04-07-2020 9:17am

http://twitter.com/CatrionaGolden/status/1279189957949755393

Just in case there was any doubt .

http://twitter.com/TonightVMTV/status/1278813714788102144

http://twitter.com/PMernagh/status/1279196018849054721

khalessi · 04-07-2020 9:53am

km79 wrote: »

http://twitter.com/CatrionaGolden/status/1279189957949755393

Just in case there was any doubt .

http://twitter.com/TonightVMTV/status/1278813714788102144

http://twitter.com/PMernagh/status/1279196018849054721

Ciara Kelly funny onion
"There can be no protected group when everyone else pulling their weight."

Did she fail to notice they are pulling it while using protective measures that teachers are wqually entilted to, wassock.

Bobtheman · 04-07-2020 11:20am

km79 wrote: »

http://twitter.com/CatrionaGolden/status/1279189957949755393

Just in case there was any doubt .

http://twitter.com/TonightVMTV/status/1278813714788102144

http://twitter.com/PMernagh/status/1279196018849054721

I'd be very wary of engaging in Twitter. It's a cess pit. You might win one battle only for another to pop up - weed like . There is a long way to go before this is all sorted. Lots of negotiation.
I have a friend who works with 30 others in a state owned enterprise. One average size room. No 2m or 1m possible. Should that be going on- no . Guards walking in and out of pubs ? Is that going to work ? No. Lots of other situations to sort out
Let the media battle to the highly paid union officials. A long time ago I was told out away your newspaper when a dispute arises. Teachers get caught up in arse hole media types pontificating. Disputes are about pissing the public off or your employer until you get what's fair .
In this case we want proper protection that still leaves schools workable. We won't get absolute protection but we will get something. Just enjoy the summer and leave it to the unions.
If you met a hostile just agree with them and leave them off. Arse holes on Twitter or your irascible neighbor or relative will have little real influence to how this is sorted.

Bobtheman · 04-07-2020 11:34am

km79 wrote: »

http://twitter.com/CatrionaGolden/status/1279189957949755393

Just in case there was any doubt .

http://twitter.com/TonightVMTV/status/1278813714788102144

http://twitter.com/PMernagh/status/1279196018849054721

I'd be very wary of engaging in Twitter. It's a cess pit. You might win one battle only for another to pop up - weed like . There is a long way to go before this is all sorted. Lots of negotiation.
I have a friend who works with 30 others in a state owned enterprise. One average size room. No 2m or 1m possible. Should that be going on- no . Guards walking in and out of pubs ? Is that going to work ? No. Lots of other situations to sort out
Let the media battle to the highly paid union officials. A long time ago I was told out away your newspaper when a dispute arises. Teachers get caught up in arse hole media types pontificating. Disputes are about pissing the public off or your employer until you get what's fair .
In this case we want proper protection that still leaves schools workable. We won't get absolute protection but we will get something. Just enjoy the summer and leave it to the unions.
If you met a hostile just agree with them and leave them off. Arse holes on Twitter or your irascible neighbor or relative will have little real influence to how this is sorted.

Parents are entitled to their concerns but don't expect them to see if from your point of view. It's like trying to teach a pig to sing- it wastes your time and irrates the pig and no I'm not saying parents are pigs

Rosita · 04-07-2020 3:52pm

Bobtheman wrote: »

One thing that Quinn did right was to remove political interference from school building projects. It probably left office with him.This improvement was obviously in the pipes before she took office. But it didn't help the larger picture.
Outside of Dublin this nonsense seems to get press. In the end funding should permentally be removed from politicians. School building. And a ban on photo ops.

Outside of Dublin it gets press but in Dublin it still goes on. Leo Varadker sent a flyer around his constituency just a week before the government was announced explaining how he was going to be Tánaiste in the new set up but that funding for the school projects he had previously promised would not be affected.

km79 · 08-07-2020 10:39am

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0708/1151950-school-reopening-analysis/

Nice to see a bit of balance

Random sample · 08-07-2020 10:50am

km79 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0708/1151950-school-reopening-analysis/

Nice to see a bit of balance

It is. The media have played such a huge part in all of this. People listen to sound bites, they don’t want the full story. It’s such a pity the media always go for the most negative sound bite they can find.

Rosita · 08-07-2020 6:14pm

Yeah, this is a timely antidote to the strange comments of Brenda Power and Jennifer O'Connell in the last week who don't seem to have an iota about the practical aspects of organising a school.

Bobtheman · 08-07-2020 9:06pm

Rosita wrote: »

Yeah, this is a timely antidote to the strange comments of Brenda Power and Jennifer O'Connell in the last week who don't seem to have an iota about the practical aspects of organising a school.

We all got to remember that newspapers must be filled even when there is **** all news. Personal opinion columns are usually simplistic drivel. Your best bet is not to read them as they are not that influential. Teachers in general blow their influence out of proportion. Real negotiations take place between unions and the government. A process that will take weeks. I doubt any of these parties will say we must change tact because x ego journalist has said we should.
Education chronically under funded. Various high profile journalists bleating about it for decades . Results sweet **** all .

History Queen · 10-07-2020 8:01am

Be interesting to see just how adequate the funding is but at least it is a move in the right direction.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/major-funding-package-planned-to-help-schools-reopen-as-fully-as-possible-1.4300658?mode=amp

r93kaey5p2izun · 10-07-2020 12:46pm

I was wondering about schools which are dual post primary and FE centres. Should they consider suspending FE provision to prioritise space for post primary? This would of course be controversial and have a lot of serious consequences. Teachers employed in just FE, funding coming from FE, the education of those enrolled in FE - all would be an issue. But, should it be on the table as a measure that could seriously ease the pressure on these schools in terms of freeing up space, reducing crowds, freeing up facilities? Should pp education be prioritised over FE where they are competing for space and facilities?

I taught in a dual provision school. (I still officially teach an evening module in such a school, though am likely to give notice on that anyway). I absolutely understand the massive implications of such a decision and I'm really not sure whether I would agree it's fair or reasonable. But on the other hand, from the point of view of doing everything possible to reopen schools for the benefit of children and also to allow their parents a better chance of returning fully to work successfully, it seems like an important one to at least consider.

deiseindublin · 10-07-2020 2:52pm

I'm in a dual provision school and would be totally against a suspension of FE. Lots of those students didn't get a fair crack of the whip first time round, would be a horrendous blow if they were sidelined now again, not to talk of FE teachers without contracts etc.

Even hearing it has a proposal makes me nervous.

r93kaey5p2izun · 10-07-2020 3:28pm

Yes, I agree re the serious negative impact it would have on FE students. As I said, I understand the huge implications it would have and I would have major concerns about it. But I have heard it being discussed by parents around me, whose children attend such a school. They are kind of expecting that FE will be cancelled to prioritise post primary. They are talking about freeing up space, but also about the additional risk of 200-300 adults in the building, in terms of their role in virus transmission. Many of these parents are graduates of this FE centre themselves, and in fact a couple who have spoken about it would be attending in Sept in normal circumstances.

I think FE should go ahead if at all possible. But if it's a case of only partial attendance being possible for pp (hopefully not) then I think suspension of FE provision or making FE online learning (as difficult and unworkable as that would be in many cases) would have to be seriously considered.

Mardy Bum · 10-07-2020 3:57pm

Simeon Mysterious Minibike wrote: »

Yes, I agree re the serious negative impact it would have on FE students. As I said, I understand the huge implications it would have and I would have major concerns about it. But I have heard it being discussed by parents around me, whose children attend such a school. They are kind of expecting that FE will be cancelled to prioritise post primary. They are talking about freeing up space, but also about the additional risk of 200-300 adults in the building, in terms of their role in virus transmission. Many of these parents are graduates of this FE centre themselves, and in fact a couple who have spoken about it would be attending in Sept in normal circumstances.

I think FE should go ahead if at all possible. But if it's a case of only partial attendance being possible for pp (hopefully not) then I think suspension of FE provision or making FE online learning (as difficult and unworkable as that would be in many cases) would have to be seriously considered.

Unless we reenter lockdown by late August, the most likely scenario will be all staff and students returning to schools as normal as a result of new guidelines which will make it permissable.

r93kaey5p2izun · 10-07-2020 4:02pm

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Unless we reenter lockdown by late August, the most likely scenario will be all staff and students returning to schools as normal as a result of new guidelines which will make it permissable.

Yes, I'm aware of that. And that will hopefully mean everyone inc FE students can attend classes. But from what I'm hearing, parents of students attending dual provision schools will still be voicing serious concerns about the increased risks of having 200-300 adults in the building. I think such schools are going to be dealing with a lot of complaints and concerns. And I suppose in fairness to them, it is true that a dual provision school may be a higher risk in terms of a cluster developing.

rainbowtrout · 10-07-2020 4:48pm

deiseindublin wrote: »

I'm in a dual provision school and would be totally against a suspension of FE. Lots of those students didn't get a fair crack of the whip first time round, would be a horrendous blow if they were sidelined now again, not to talk of FE teachers without contracts etc.

Even hearing it has a proposal makes me nervous.

I’d agree. We used to have PLC and the majority of ours would have come from disadvantaged backgrounds/ struggled at school etc. It would cut off the only route to college for many.

I can’t see how it would be fair to ditch FE students to space out second level students. Some schools that don’t have FE would still be bigger than those that do.

r93kaey5p2izun · 10-07-2020 5:15pm

rainbowtrout wrote: »

I’d agree. We used to have PLC and the majority of ours would have come from disadvantaged backgrounds/ struggled at school etc. It would cut off the only route to college for many.

I can’t see how it would be fair to ditch FE students to space out second level students. Some schools that don’t have FE would still be bigger than those that do.

While I hope all students will be able to attend class fully, I think it would be viewed very badly if a school sent any pp students home while FE students remained on site, if that situation were to arise which it hopefully won't.

I do think it needs to be acknowledged and carefully planned for though, that the presence of adult students poses a higher risk. Not just about spacing, but in terms of their risk profile for illness and transmission among these students and the knock on increased risks to the pp teachers too. And if there is flexibility on safety measures for children in order to allow schools operate, that is unlikely to apply to FE students. I don't see adult ed in any form (FE, universities, colleges etc) being let off with no distancing, and no masks as schools will. These schools have much more work to do in terms of logistics of safe reopening for both cohorts. I hope the school managers are taking that seriously and making representation for specific guidelines and resources to make it happen. Because if it goes wrong and FE students are the source of a cluster that closes a pp school, then parents will inevitably be angry.

Bobtheman · 10-07-2020 5:19pm

Excuse my Ignorance but what are FE students ?

KaneToad · 10-07-2020 5:21pm

Bobtheman wrote: »

Excuse my Ignorance but what are FE students ?

Further Education?

r93kaey5p2izun · 10-07-2020 5:21pm

Bobtheman wrote: »

Excuse my Ignorance but what are FE students ?

Further Education.

Bobtheman · 10-07-2020 5:44pm

What Im not impressed about is that no plan will be finalised until late July. Exactly how principals are meant to do a timetable is beyond me. The Department have not covered themselves in glory, since all of this begun.

Polka_Dot · 10-07-2020 8:47pm

Bobtheman wrote: »

What Im not impressed about is that no plan will be finalised until late July. Exactly how principals are meant to do a timetable is beyond me. The Department have not covered themselves in glory, since all of this begun.

The situation is constantly evolving. IMO, even a finalised plan in late July may not be ideal come September.

shesty · 10-07-2020 9:34pm

It doesn't matter how the situation is evolving. There are certain knowns in this situation.I am reading they appear to only be "getting into the nitty gritty " of reopening now.Now??They have had since March 12th to do this.I would give a month or so grace due to the confusion of the first few weeks, but realistically they have had the guts of 4 months to "start talking" about this. Talking should be WAY beyond just starting now.

They don't know what the situation will be like come September, sure, but there are certain things they have known for at least 4 if not 8 weeks that will have to be built into reopening arrangements.Discussions could -should - have started much earlier.They are scrambling from start to finish on this, and it is a total and complete shambles for the teachers, parents and children.

morebabies · 10-07-2020 9:52pm

What annoyed me watching the Oireachtas Committee meeting today about the reopening was that as far as I could tell, they just kept repeating the same thing "we are aiming for a full reopening of schools in September". All the "But what about if.." questions were met with the same mantra, it's like there is no Plan B.

But even the dogs on the street know we're probably looking at a big resurgence of cases in autumn /winter. As the above poster said, they now have had a lot of time to plan for different scenarios, and yet...apparently haven't.

Random sample · 10-07-2020 9:59pm

Aengus o snodaigh asked some good questions, but waffled on so much afterwards that o foghlu didn’t remember them by the time he got a chance to answer.

I’m scared for September after listening to that. There doesn’t seem to be a plan at all.

One td asked if there would be extra teachers available for schools who have spare rooms, so they could spread the students out. Do these schools exist?

deiseindublin · 11-07-2020 1:07am

morebabies wrote: »

What annoyed me watching the Oireachtas Committee meeting today about the reopening was that as far as I could tell, they just kept repeating the same thing "we are aiming for a full reopening of schools in September".

I had the exact same reaction. My home county AIMS to bring the McCarthy cup home every year, but 61 years later we're empty handed.

Saying you want to open isn't very helpful at all. Tell us how you want it done, tell us how much money, where will the extra teachers come from etc.

It struck me that they were placating the media and parents in the hope they wouldn't wonder what the alternative was, were their Aim not realised.

amacca · 11-07-2020 8:34am

Random sample wrote: »

I’m scared for September after listening to that. There doesn’t seem to be a plan at all.

One td asked if there would be extra teachers available for schools who have spare rooms, so they could spread the students out. Do these schools exist?

Not in my experience....most of them seemed to need extra room and were forced into renting temporary prefabs (possibly at much more expensive rates than an actual building would have been)

Im sure there are some but I'm presuming schools with loads of extra room are in the minority.

shesty · 11-07-2020 8:37am

To be honest they should be throwing money at Education to help solve this.
If we get to a point where we can have pubs open, but not schools, there will be serious unrest among people.We have had enough of this, children have been treated disgracefully by the Government since March.

Bobtheman · 11-07-2020 8:56am

Obviously opening schools is important .
The plan will just allow money for extra cleaners and substitution.
However if you want to hire extra teachers the ads would want to be rolling out soon. Is there still a problem with teacher recruitment? Im out of touch . Can teachers still go abroad to better places ?
What about teacher sick leave? How long must I wait for a covid test now etc
The ' voluntary' nature of secondary schools mean they department will wash their hands of a lot of responsibility!

km79 · 11-07-2020 9:04am

When you look at ULs proposed “plan “ for third level students it is hard to balance that up against a full return for primary and secondary students

shesty · 11-07-2020 9:10am

The sick leave issue will become a wider societal one too...if I keep my child home if they are showing signs of being unwell, (which actually I would normally, because I don't think it is fair to expect a sick child to sit in school), then really I should be at home too on the off-chance that I could be infectious if the child is.My own employer would be ok with home working and flexibility but many won't, even after everything that has happened

I have not got any faith in our new Government, if I am honest.

Random sample · 11-07-2020 9:20am

amacca wrote: »

Not in my experience....most of them seemed to need extra room and were forced into renting temporary prefabs (possibly at much more expensive rates than an actual building would have been)

Im sure there are some but I'm presuming schools with loads of extra room are in the minority.

I didn’t want to come straight out and call him deluded. I presume there’s one school in his constituency in this situation.

scrubs33 · 11-07-2020 9:51am

Was talking to one of our staff reps on the BoM yesterday and the feeling from the Principal is that the sports hall will not be made available for socially distanced non sports classes which got me thinking. How will kids who have PE especially first thing in the morning manage? Arrive in sports gear grand but will there be a place to change given that current GAA guidelines say players go straight home after a game. I hope the powers that be on a national level have every scenario covered.

Rosita · 11-07-2020 11:45am

Bobtheman wrote: »

What Im not impressed about is that no plan will be finalised until late July. Exactly how principals are meant to do a timetable is beyond me. The Department have not covered themselves in glory, since all of this begun.

I would be with Polka Dot on this one. Infection figures are likely to increase in the coming weeks and things will need to be assessed nearer to the time. The prevailing advice on distancing will have such an impact on classrooms that timetables will be ad hoc last minute jobs I'd say given the different physical configurations of schools. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they were still a subject of very active discussion when we resume.

Rosita · 11-07-2020 11:49am

scrubs33 wrote: »

Was talking to one of our staff reps on the BoM yesterday and the feeling from the Principal is that the sports hall will not be made available for socially distanced non sports classes which got me thinking. How will kids who have PE especially first thing in the morning manage? Arrive in sports gear grand but will there be a place to change given that current GAA guidelines say players go straight home after a game.

I would say school protocol rather than GAA guidelines will inform these decisions.

r93kaey5p2izun · 12-07-2020 5:12pm

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/08/victorias-year-11-and-12-to-return-to-school-despite-covid-19-cluster-at-al-taqwa-college?fbclid=IwAR0UeJO0nazP5ZBkwCMMjBlU5eLRl-1Fq0yeA4wCausijkFHpfa1RjPRvt4

Concerning. Student to student transmission between older teens in Australian school resulting in big cluster in school and community.

Did anyone read Norma's interview published in the Sindo today? I see she is being heavily criticised across the board based on it. Evasive apparently, but I haven't read it myself.

km79 · 12-07-2020 5:19pm

Simeon Mysterious Minibike wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/08/victorias-year-11-and-12-to-return-to-school-despite-covid-19-cluster-at-al-taqwa-college?fbclid=IwAR0UeJO0nazP5ZBkwCMMjBlU5eLRl-1Fq0yeA4wCausijkFHpfa1RjPRvt4

Concerning. Student to student transmission between older teens in Australian school resulting in big cluster in school and community.

Did anyone read Norma's interview published in the Sindo today? I see she is being heavily criticised across the board based on it. Evasive apparently, but I haven't read it myself.

Everything I’ve seen and heard from her backs up my initial fears that she is a parochial politician who is now way way way out of her depth
The gist of the interview is “I am too busy to answer your difficult questions “

Bobtheman · 12-07-2020 8:04pm

km79 wrote: »

Everything I’ve seen and heard from her backs up my initial fears that she is a parochial politician who is now way way way out of her depth
The gist of the interview is “I am too busy to answer your difficult questions “

she took poor advice. She should have read up on her briefs and then spoke. However writing her off after what two weeks is too premature.
We have enough politicians who say sweet **** all extensively as it is.

maynooth_rules · 13-07-2020 9:26am

km79 wrote: »

Everything I’ve seen and heard from her backs up my initial fears that she is a parochial politician who is now way way way out of her depth
The gist of the interview is “I am too busy to answer your difficult questions “

I look forward to throwing that line at an inspector next time they are in my class. 'Sorry chief, I'm too busy to answer your questions '

Rosita · 13-07-2020 9:53am

Just had a read of that interview and it was such a pointless exercise that you could not judge a prospective Minister for Education on it.

Right now, in July 2020, when the standout issue is how schools will resume in the autumn it scarcely merits mention. Instead the journalist is trying to corner her on questions about sex, gender, abortion, and as weirdly as any other - how much was the voluntary contribution in her school. In what way is the voluntary contribution in her school of national importance? And if her saying she doesn't know what it was is an issue...…......……………..well, I don't know what it is in my school either. But I'm sure a phone call or email would garner that info fairly quickly. Whether that nugget of information would make me a better potential Minister for Education is another matter.

It looks to me like an interview set up as an ambush. I'd be surprised if the Minister has anything else of significance on her plate right now other than schools resuming but it is hardy mentioned.

Bobtheman · 13-07-2020 10:34am

Rosita wrote: »

Just had a read of that interview and it was such a pointless exercise that you could not judge a prospective Minister for Education on it.

Right now, in July 2020, when the standout issue is how schools will resume in the autumn is scarcely merits mention. Instead the journalist is trying to corner her on questions about sex, gender, abortion, and as weirdly as any other - how much was the voluntary contribution in her school. In what way is the voluntary contribution in her school of national importance? And if her saying she doesn't know what it was is an issue...…......……………..well, I don't know what it is in my school either. But I'm sure a phone call or email would garner that info fairly quickly. Whether that nugget of information would make me a better potential Minister for Education is another matter.

It looks to me like an interview set up as an ambush. I'd be surprised if the Minister has anything else of significance on her plate right now other than schools resuming but it is hardy mentioned.

She just should not have done it unless she had something new to say . She didn't. Is transgender such a huge issue with everything else going on? Why is it that media types and politicians think it's so important right now ? It seems these types drag it up at every opportunity. Meanwhile chronicically underfunded schools continue which affect ALL students. It deserves a full interview on its own.

rainbowtrout · 13-07-2020 11:13am

maynooth_rules wrote: »

I look forward to throwing that line at an inspector next time they are in my class. 'Sorry chief, I'm too busy to answer your questions '

I look forward to the conversation about the lack of group work next year :pac:

mirrorwall14 · 13-07-2020 2:06pm

I have to admit to being incredibly frustrated at this rage, god help management they must be climbing the walls. It’s now mid July and we still don’t know how it will work going back in September.

I want to use this time to plan but I can’t. Too many question as yet unanswered, are we part online, are we teaching full syllabi, are subjects being reduced, are we doing pods at Second level (affects subject choices), will school choir be allowed, how do I plan the school show or do we need to replace that with something else this year. It’s annoying me no end

km79 · 13-07-2020 2:10pm

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

I have to admit to being incredibly frustrated at this rage, god help management they must be climbing the walls. It’s now mid July and we still don’t know how it will work going back in September.

I want to use this time to plan but I can’t. Too many question as yet unanswered, are we part online, are we teaching full syllabi, are subjects being reduced, are we doing pods at Second level (affects subject choices), will school choir be allowed, how do I plan the school show or do we need to replace that with something else this year. It’s annoying me no end

Agreed
I would say you can forget about the school show tbh

SligoBrewer · 13-07-2020 3:30pm

The Norma interview was not only embarrassing with regards to what she would do with education but concerning with her take on reproductive rights.

I'm not expecting her to have all the answers, but she didn't even understand the questions on Sunday. For a teacher who's fresh out of the classroom and understands the answers that we want, that's bad.

Bobtheman · 13-07-2020 3:44pm

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

I have to admit to being incredibly frustrated at this rage, god help management they must be climbing the walls. It’s now mid July and we still don’t know how it will work going back in September.

I want to use this time to plan but I can’t. Too many question as yet unanswered, are we part online, are we teaching full syllabi, are subjects being reduced, are we doing pods at Second level (affects subject choices), will school choir be allowed, how do I plan the school show or do we need to replace that with something else this year. It’s annoying me no end

My sympathy goes out to those who still expect professionalism from the Department. You won't get it. Id decide what you want to do. Extra curricular is not mandatory. I gave up on that years ago after the crash and our treatment.
As for planning I'd do it as much as you can . You are experienced so you can adjust.
Sorry I'm in a cynical mood.

Bobtheman · 13-07-2020 3:48pm

SligoBrewer wrote: »

The Norma interview was not only embarrassing with regards to what she would do with education but concerning with her take on reproductive rights.

I'm not expecting her to have all the answers, but she didn't even understand the questions on Sunday. For a teacher who's fresh out of the classroom and understands the answers that we want, that's bad.

Reproductive Rights ?Why was she asked about that. What am I missing? Exactly what does that have to do with her portfolio? She is entitled to her views. Are you talking about abortion legislation. That will be reviewed and every TD should have their conscience respected. Abortion is now available. Unlike many other health services.
. The 8th amendment is gone but some people are on a permanent victory lap. Not saying you are but that's the vibe I get.(In general)

Mardy Bum · 13-07-2020 4:17pm

SligoBrewer wrote: »

The Norma interview was not only embarrassing with regards to what she would do with education but concerning with her take on reproductive rights.

I'm not expecting her to have all the answers, but she didn't even understand the questions on Sunday. For a teacher who's fresh out of the classroom and understands the answers that we want, that's bad.

She is a councillor since 1991. She must have a real drive for public service and a great sense of duty to her community. It is nothing to do with her being a member of a political dynasty.

Mardy Bum · 13-07-2020 4:18pm

Bobtheman wrote: »

Reproductive Rights ?Why was she asked about that. What am I missing? Exactly what does that have to do with her portfolio? She is entitled to her views. Are you talking about abortion legislation. That will be reviewed and every TD should have their conscience respected. Abortion is now available. Unlike many other health services.
. The 8th amendment is gone but some people are on a permanent victory lap. Not saying you are but that's the vibe I get.

SPHE is a subject in school and has been under attack from right wing nuts since its introduction. It is currently under sustained attack from zealots.

mirrorwall14 · 13-07-2020 4:21pm

Bobtheman wrote: »

My sympathy goes out to those who still expect professionalism from the Department. You won't get it. Id decide what you want to do. Extra curricular is not mandatory. I gave up on that years ago after the crash and our treatment.
As for planning I'd do it as much as you can . You are experienced so you can adjust.
Sorry I'm in a cynical mood.

School choir is extra curricular and yeah I can see that not happening but School show is built into the TY timetable now. Current plan in my head is to flip the year and do all the intro to LC music, music technology etc first and assume show will be later.

School reopenings -current plan WAS McHugh's plan

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