School reopenings -current plan WAS McHugh's plan

khalessi

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Are these aligned to the Peoples' Front of Judea or the Judean Peoples' Front?

Just what the world needed. Another forum for primary school principals.

Did you look at the document? It is more comprehensive than anything the government has issued so far regarding schools reopening.

killbillvol2

khalessi wrote: »

Did you look at the document? It is more comprehensive than anything the government has issued so far regarding schools reopening.

I read it all. It's very comprehensive but ridiculously nit picking in many areas.

The problem is, who are they? The INTO represents principals, the IPPN represents principals and this group represents principals. The DES is delighted to have multiple groups because they can ignore them all.

Mardy Bum

killbillvol2 wrote: »

I read it all. It's very comprehensive but ridiculously nit picking in many areas.

The problem is, who are they? The INTO represents principals, the IPPN represents principals and this group represents principals. The DES is delighted to have multiple groups because they can ignore them all.

It is a good document. More power to them. The dearth of expertise from all the groups you have listed has been clear for years. This group seems to possess some knowledge of how schools are run which is a change.

mirrorwall14

I think it’s great to be honest and the department could do with running down that list and answering questions if they can’t actually make their own list. That thing the DES released was completely farcical

ShamoBuc

I see Beijing have closed all City schools as a result of another outbreak of Covid, it's just not going away over there, hopefully our numbers continue to go lower in the weeks ahead. If the numbers start coming back, we could be going back a stage or two and schools could well stay shut. All going well and classes will be at least half full each day.

emmaro

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I see Beijing have closed all City schools as a result of another outbreak of Covid, it's just not going away over there, hopefully our numbers continue to go lower in the weeks ahead. If the numbers start coming back, we could be going back a stage or two and schools could well stay shut. All going well and classes will be at least half full each day.

I honestly can't see the government keeping schools closed here.

khalessi

emmaro wrote: »

I honestly can't see the government keeping schools closed here.

Nope they wont keep them closed, they want them open and have totally disregarded teacher health and wellbeing despite schools being workplaces.

mirrorwall14

So considering this thread and the document from McHugh I thought it might be interesting to share some of the new procedures and policies from my creche I just received. In Ireland. The same country that the minister for education is proposing to just open schools....

Bobtheman

I can see us being reclassified as front line workers.
To be fair the covid seems to be much dimenished.
I'd be happy to go back with proper medical support.

Rosita

Bobtheman wrote: »

I can see us being reclassified as front line workers.
To be fair the covid seems to be much dimenished.
I'd be happy to go back with proper medical support.

I think all anybody wants is evidence of proper plan, recognition that schools are workplaces, and that the sheer desire and social necessity to have schools back in full does not preclude the need for proper organisation.

I'd actually far prefer to hear at this stage 'we don't have a plan yet' (because it is important to see how things go over the next 7/8 weeks) than someone like Simon Harris back in early May saying that LCs might be back in May a week after McHugh said they'd be back in July.

Or Varadker going on the Late Late Show talking about calculated grades for the LC the day after it had been postponed until July. Let them get one message that they actually believe themselves is deliverable and try to make it stick this time.

SligoBrewer

I love people who think that Fine Gael are competent.

ShamoBuc

SligoBrewer wrote: »

I love people who think that Fine Gael are competent.

To be fair, you could add the other parties to that list I think.

Rosita

SligoBrewer wrote: »

I love people who think that Fine Gael are competent.

Better still people who will tell you that since the pandemic emerged that "they've done a good job". This is a scenario where they get to stand in front of microphones regularly, have the entire population by and large doing what they are told, and no opposition in the Dáil to question anything. Weird that anyone would purport to judge them on an utterly one-off set of circumstances.

Bobtheman

Rosita wrote: »

Better still people who will tell you that since the pandemic emerged that "they've done a good job". This is a scenario where they get to stand in front of microphones regularly, have the entire population by and large doing what they are told, and no opposition in the Dáil to question anything. Weird that anyone would purport to judge them on an utterly one-off set of circumstances.

I think to be fair the handling of the covid Crisis across a lot of countries leaves a lot to be desired. Mchugh didn't do a great job on it. He should have held his ground on the LC. Look around your parks now? Yes he could not forssee the future but hotels etc empty. It was possible.
Meanwhile I paid out close to 400 euro for medical consultants. The health service nd housing are two reasons why nobody should vote for FF/FG

SligoBrewer

They are #playingablinder though.

km79

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Foley

Our new minister apparently

ShamoBuc

Zero experience of being a TD but is now a minister for Education.

Does not inspire me.

r93kaey5p2izun

She will struggle to be any more incompetent than McHugh, or any more destructive than Bruton and Quinn. We'll see!

ShamoBuc

Simeon Mysterious Minibike wrote: »

She will struggle to be any more incompetent than McHugh, or any more destructive than Bruton and Quinn. We'll see!

And Jan O'Sullivan in between them.

r93kaey5p2izun

ShamoBuc wrote: »

And Jan O'Sullivan in between them.

She just carried on Quinn's ego projects after him. We can stick her jointly between the two camps, incompetent and destructive.

km79

Simeon Mysterious Minibike wrote: »

She will struggle to be any more incompetent than McHugh, or any more destructive than Bruton and Quinn. We'll see!

This was exactly what was said about McHugh
And “at least he is a teacher “

She is not going in to teach classes. She is going into an absolute mess at a crucial time with no ministerial experience .
An afterthought

mtoutlemonde

km79 wrote: »

This was exactly what was said about McHugh
And “at least he is a teacher “

She is not going in to teach classes. She is going into an absolute mess at a crucial time with no ministerial experience .
An afterthought

As I said in the other thread, education is the poor relation - give someone the nod - what harm can they do - it's in a bad shape already.

km79

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0628/1150197-education-minister-schools-reopen/

km79

HPSC guidelines which are likely/will have to form the basis for return to school planning.
Students from 3rd class up must maintain 1m physically distancing

https://www.education.ie/en/covid-19/interim-recommendations-for-the-reopening-of-schools-and-educational-facilities.pdf

mirrorwall14

Do we keep this thread now we’ve a new minister or move to a new one. 1m means 2.5 days per student? Is that what had been said? Jesus this is going to be a total mess

km79

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Do we keep this thread now we’ve a new minister or move to a new one. 1m means 2.5 days per student? Is that what had been said? Jesus this is going to be a total mess

For secondary - 2m but if not possible then AT LEAST 1m
Students should remain in same classroom with same class and teachers as much as possible.
as many double periods as possible

Cleaners clean the desks not teachers.
Not much else in it

Spanish Eyes

Re secondary schools, could I ask those who know why students move from classroom to classroom all day? I understand the need to move to labs and kitchens etc. But surely it is much easier for a teacher to move around.

Now forgive me if this doesn’t happen anymore I’m a long time out of the system re kids etc.

mirrorwall14

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Re secondary schools, could I ask those who know why students move from classroom to classroom all day? I understand the need to move to labs and kitchens etc. But surely it is much easier for a teacher to move around.

Now forgive me if this doesn’t happen anymore I’m a long time out of the system re kids etc.

Options and levels. So like I teach music and maths. In music it’s one of 7 options on the line taken from all 150 students. In maths they are sorted OL and pass so cannot be in base classes

BonsaiKitten

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Re secondary schools, could I ask those who know why students move from classroom to classroom all day? I understand the need to move to labs and kitchens etc. But surely it is much easier for a teacher to move around.

Now forgive me if this doesn’t happen anymore I’m a long time out of the system re kids etc.

There's also supervision issues - the teacher has to leave kids unsupervised as they move to the next room. I'm sure some schools would have no issues but if anything did happen during that time, who is responsible? Much safer from a supervision point of view to have kids move between rooms.

Alex86Eire

It'll be impossible to have 1m distance between 30 kids in the lab. Our desks are fixed.
I'm presuming equipment can't be shared between students either.
It'll be a nightmare for practical subjects.