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Madeleine Mc Cann-A social experiment in Manipulation (mod warning first post)

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  • #102
    Smondie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    LorMal wrote: »
    They hold out some hope, what parent wouldn't. Scotland Yard have spent millions on trying to find out what happened.

    Do you think the abductor got out the window, wasn't it wide open but Gerry closed it.


    Interesting sy haven't reinterviewed the tapas lot in the multimillion pound investigation.

    Why do you think the parents and thier mates refuse to take part in a reconstruction?


  • #103
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    What do you think happened?


  • #104
    Smondie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    LorMal wrote: »
    What do you think happened?

    This is my theory, i'll just quote what Ii previously wrote, but I will add they have been hob nobbing with various upper class but dodgy people since her disappearance. Also I think there was no abductor near the window.
    Smondie wrote: »
    What's your theory on it?


    I think there has been an accident/murder cover up and people protected because of who they know.


  • #105
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Smondie wrote: »
    This is my theory, i'll just quote what Ii previously wrote, but I will add they have been hob nobbing with various upper class but dodgy people since her disappearance.

    You think there is a murder cover up. Who committed the murder? Who is doing the cover up? Who is involved in the wider conspiracy? 'Various upper class dodgy people'?
    Well, that's that crime solved.


  • #106
    Smondie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    LorMal wrote: »
    You think there is a murder cover up. Who committed the murder? Who is doing the cover up? Who is involved in the wider conspiracy? 'Various upper class dodgy people'?
    Well, that's that crime solved.

    to answer your questions
    Parents
    Parents, the tapas lot
    the British gov
    Clement Freud for one as another poster mentioned



    What's you theory?
    An abductor ran by Gerry with Madeline under thier arm, then killed her
    Case closed another crime solved?


  • #107
    Munsterbhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭Munsterbhoy


    We were in spain with our then 3 yr old girl at the time and one thing we always found odd is the fact that the Mcanns went to mass the next day i think. IF our girl was missing then there is no way we could sit in a church for an hour irrespective of religious beliefs. We would be frantically looking for her. Its as if she wasnt missing at all..


  • #108
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    LorMal wrote: »
    No you didn't - what is it?

    Yes I did, read back over the thread.


  • #109
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    fin12 wrote: »
    Yes I did, read back over the thread.

    no thanks!


  • #110
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Munsterbhoy wrote: »
    We were in spain with our then 3 yr old girl at the time and one thing we always found odd is the fact that the Mcanns went to mass the next day i think. IF our girl was missing then there is no way we could sit in a church for an hour irrespective of religious beliefs. We would be frantically looking for her. Its as if she wasnt missing at all..

    Religious couple pray to God in time of distress shocker!


  • #111
    Smondie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    Munsterbhoy wrote: »
    We were in spain with our then 3 yr old girl at the time and one thing we always found odd is the fact that the Mcanns went to mass the next day i think. IF our girl was missing then there is no way we could sit in a church for an hour irrespective of religious beliefs. We would be frantically looking for her. Its as if she wasnt missing at all..

    Then they took off to meet the pope and the trip to heleuva? (SP) in spain.

    Hasn't the priest said he doesn't want anything to do with them?

    And Kate's mother went over to Portugal and was sent home, saying something like we were sent on the granny express back to England? First she had heard of them being religious aswell!


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  • #112
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Smondie wrote: »
    to answer your questions
    Parents
    Parents, the tapas lot
    the British gov
    Clement Freud for one as another poster mentioned



    What's you theory?
    An abductor ran by Gerry with Madeline under thier arm, then killed her
    Case closed another crime solved?

    Of all the stupid rubbish I have read on this case, this has to be the worst. The British Government has covered up the murder of a British child by her parents and their friends? Are you joking???
    I shouldn't bother asking but what the hell - here goes - why would the British Government (and I assume Scotland Yard) cover up this crime?


  • #113
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Smondie wrote: »
    Then they took off to meet the pope and the trip to heleuva? (SP) in spain.

    Hasn't the priest said he doesn't want anything to do with them?

    And Kate's mother went over to Portugal and was sent home, saying something like we were sent on the granny express back to England? First she had heard of them being religious aswell!

    Mayne they buried the body under the altar? Did anyone check?


  • #114
    Smondie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Smondie


    LorMal wrote: »
    Of all the stupid rubbish I have read on this case, this has to be the worst. The British Government has covered up the murder of a British child by her parents and their friends? Are you joking???
    I shouldn't bother asking but what the hell - here goes - why would the British Government (and I assume Scotland Yard) cover up this crime?

    Child sex abuse and peadofililia could be reason


  • #115
    Munsterbhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭Munsterbhoy


    LorMal wrote: »
    Religious couple pray to God in time of distress shocker!

    Maybe they were inspired by Father Ted" is there anything to be said about saying another mass"


  • #116
    Smondie
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    LorMal what's your theory?

    An abductor threw her out the window and passed Gerry with Madeline under his arm, before making a getaway on his tractor?


  • #117
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Smondie wrote: »
    Child sex abuse and peadofililia could be reason

    So - the Mc Canns, plus their 8 friends, plus Scotland Yard, plus the British Government are all complicit in covering up a child murder committed by the parents plus a paedophile ring. Do you not see how mad that sounds?


  • #118
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Smondie wrote: »
    LorMal what's your theory?

    An abductor threw her out the window and passed Gerry with Madeline under his arm, before making a getaway on his tractor?

    While none of us know for sure, it appears to be an abduction.


  • #119
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Munsterbhoy wrote: »
    Maybe they were inspired by Father Ted" is there anything to be said about saying another mass"

    There is no discussion on boards that does not get a Fr Ted quote at some stage. It's an ecumenical matter.


  • #120
    aphex™
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭aphex™


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU4wfVI7LNc

    Not saying Mccanns involved. **** happens at high levels tho.


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  • #121
    Overheal
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    fin12 wrote: »
    Yes I did, read back over the thread.
    LorMal wrote: »
    no thanks!
    LorMal wrote: »
    What do you think happened?
    LorMal wrote: »
    No you didn't - what is it?
    fin12 wrote: »
    I already told you what mine was which you said made no sense so again I ask you what is yours?
    LorMal wrote: »
    Nobody has expressed any opinion that I can see? Whats yours?
    fin12 wrote: »
    Your challenging everyone's opinions on this thread so why don't u explain exactly why u believe she was abducted?
    MOD

    Let's dial down this back and forth nonsense. Take it to PM. Stay on topic in the thread, please, not this personal/direct back and forth. Thanks


  • #122
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    Munsterbhoy wrote: »
    We were in spain with our then 3 yr old girl at the time and one thing we always found odd is the fact that the Mcanns went to mass the next day i think. IF our girl was missing then there is no way we could sit in a church for an hour irrespective of religious beliefs. We would be frantically looking for her. Its as if she wasnt missing at all..
    maybe they went to pray for her return


  • #123
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭mulbot


    LorMal wrote: »
    So - the Mc Canns, plus their 8 friends, plus Scotland Yard, plus the British Government are all complicit in covering up a child murder committed by the parents plus a paedophile ring. Do you not see how mad that sounds?

    Yea it sounds so mad,they would never do that,The same British government that was hiding and covering up the hundreds of cases of sexual abuse by politicians and big name stars,Jimmy Saville being one of so many,Maybe do a search on Ted Heath and you'll find out what the British governmnet are capable of hiding


  • #124
    Smondie
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    re525d3613.JPG

    Was is this photofit that was kept secret for 5 years?


  • #125
    LorMal
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    mulbot wrote: »
    Yea it sounds so mad,they would never do that,The same British government that was hiding and covering up the hundreds of cases of sexual abuse by politicians and big name stars,Jimmy Saville being one of so many,Maybe do a search on Ted Heath and you'll find out what the British governmnet are capable of hiding

    Just out of interest - what 'hundreds of cases of sexual abuse by politicians' being covered up by the British Government are you referring to? (And you do understand what the Government is, I assume?)


  • #126
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    Smondie wrote: »
    re525d3613.JPG

    Was is this photofit that was kept secret for 5 years?

    Yes, what is this photo? Doesn't appear to work.


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  • #127
    mulbot
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Just out of interest - what 'hundreds of cases of sexual abuse by politicians' being covered up by the British Government are you referring to? (And you do understand what the Government is, I assume?)

    I just put two names in my last post for you to research-Jimmy Saville and Ted Heath.(connections there to Crown and government)


  • #128
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    mulbot wrote: »
    I just put two names in my last post for you to research-Jimmy Saville and Ted Heath.(connections there to Crown and government)

    That's not a cover up by 'the British Government'. The BBC ignored Savilles
    behaviour. Nothing is proven against Heath.


  • #129
    Ann22
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    fin12 wrote:
    And it wasn't the first time they left them either alone on the holiday, seemed to be a regular accurance as Kate McCann had said that Madeline had asked her why she wasn't there at night when she was calling for her.


    Rich Hall thinks Kate only said that to delude people into believing she was still alive on that day...that she'd been dead a couple of days and the body disposed of by then. He's pretty convincing actually.


  • #130
    Ann22
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭Ann22


    LorMal wrote:
    Religious couple pray to God in time of distress shocker!


    They went jogging the next day and traveling around Europe a few wks later leaving their other two on a resort where seemingly there was a child abductor about.


  • #131
    Tuisceanch
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    It's a social experiment by the UK government in manipulation of the masses

    And what have the masses being manipulated to do in this instance?


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  • #132
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    And what have the masses being manipulated to do in this instance?

    9 years of endless arguments in chatrooms?


  • #133
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Ann22 wrote: »
    They went jogging the next day and traveling around Europe a few wks later leaving their other two on a resort where seemingly there was a child abductor about.

    As they explained at the time, they are both medics - they believe exercise is a good way to cope with stress (I agree). The very worst thing you can do is hit the bottle or use medications. However, that's what people expect.

    They weren't going on holidays around Europe a few weeks later - they were getting the message out about Madeline as you know. Is was better to be active rather than just sitting and waiting. The way you make it sound, they left their children alone to the mercy of a child abductor while they went on their hols.
    Do you really believe that or do you know there's a perfectly reasonable explanation but choose to ignore it because that's more 'suspicious'.


  • #134
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Ann22 wrote: »
    Rich Hall thinks Kate only said that to delude people into believing she was still alive on that day...that she'd been dead a couple of days and the body disposed of by then. He's pretty convincing actually.

    Richard D Hall - the UFO investigator. Brilliant:D


  • #135
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    LorMal wrote: »
    As they explained at the time, they are both medics - they believe exercise is a good way to cope with stress (I agree). The very worst thing you can do is hit the bottle or use medications. However, that's what people expect.


    I'm pretty much in the 'I believe their story' camp but I think it is strange if they went on a jog the very next day. Surely they'd be actively looking for her everywhere in the locality themselves, however fruitless it might seem. Jogging should be the last thing on their mind. Sounds like they'd reached the 'acceptance' stage pretty quickly!


  • #136
    fin12
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    Ann22 wrote: »
    Rich Hall thinks Kate only said that to delude people into believing she was still alive on that day...that she'd been dead a couple of days and the body disposed of by then. He's pretty convincing actually.

    Ya im in the process of watching his documentary on the case.

    I believe that maddie had an accident, fell and banged her bead and died while left unsupervisd in the apartment or the macanns were giving the children sedatives at night and maddie overdosed and they came back to find her dead.


  • #137
    fin12
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    A cadavre dog sensed the smell of a corpse in the Macanns rental car and neighbours also describe that all the doors and boot were left wide open on the car every night.


  • #138
    Smondie
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes, what is this photo? Doesn't appear to work.

    Strange that it shows for me?! Here's a different source.
    http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2367954.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Madeleine-McCann-main.jpg


    It's the photo fit that looks similar to Gerry that was shown on crime line. The crime line that was not shown in Portugal where the crime happened. I think it was drawn up with help from the Smith family. One of the also described trousers with buttins on the side, like Gerry owned.

    Odd too that some (all?) of the private investigators they hired all turned out to be dodgy too...and the DNA lab


  • #139
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    fin12 wrote: »
    Ya im in the process of watching his documentary on the case.

    I believe that maddie had an accident, fell and banged her bead and died while left unsupervisd in the apartment or the macanns were giving the children sedatives at night and maddie overdosed and they came back to find her dead.
    Watch out how Hall never points out Amarall's conviction and sentence but calls him doctor. He does not call the mccanns doctor though they are both doctors. By calling Amarall doctor he is trying to make him sound like a more reliable witness. Propaganda


  • #140
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    fin12 wrote: »
    A cadavre dog sensed the smell of a corpse in the Macanns rental car and neighbours also describe that all the doors and boot were left wide open on the car every night.

    So, with the place crawling with police and the worlds media, the Mc Canns hid
    Madelines body in their rental car. To keep the smell down, they opened the car doors and windows every night. Nobody checked the car.

    Meanwhile, as described here, the Mc Canns went to church, went jogging, went to other cities - all the while knowing that their secret was safe.


  • #141
    fin12
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    LorMal wrote: »
    So, with the place crawling with police and the worlds media, the Mc Canns hid
    Madelines body in their rental car. To keep the smell down, they opened the car doors and windows every night. Nobody checked the car.

    Meanwhile, as described here, the Mc Canns went to church, went jogging, went to other cities - all the while knowing that their secret was safe.

    They did all this before they reported her missing obviously so there was no media or police crawling around. The media and police were crawling around after the Mc canns called them.

    They used the rental car to transport her body. I doubt the body was kept in the car for long.


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  • #142
    LorMal
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    fin12 wrote: »
    They did all this before they reported her missing obviously so there was no media or police crawling around. The media and police were crawling around after the Mc canns called them.

    They used the rental car to transport her body. I doubt the body was kept in the car for long.

    But again, that requires them to have accidentally or deliberately killed Madeline between 6pm and 10 pm when they raised the alarm. They would have had to carry her body to the rental car, driven somewhere, buried the body so well that it has never been found, return, park the car, go back to the apartment, clean up all evidence, without being seen by anyone, concoct a story about abduction (including all timelines), convince ALL their friends to agree to conspiracy to murder or manslaughter or prevent the course of justice (so well that they have never cracked under questioning), raised the alarm and, rather than try to keep a low profile, have very deliberately kept the case as high profile as possible.

    It's not credible.


  • #143
    Overheal
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    Mod Reminder

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    Thanks for your attention.


  • #144
    mulbot
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    LorMal wrote: »
    So, with the place crawling with police and the worlds media, the Mc Canns hid
    Madelines body in their rental car. To keep the smell down, they opened the car doors and windows every night. Nobody checked the car.

    Meanwhile, as described here, the Mc Canns went to church, went jogging, went to other cities - all the while knowing that their secret was safe.

    The dog getting the cadaver scent in the car doesn't necessarily mean a body had been there,it's possible something that was in the car might have been something that was in contact with a dead body e.g, T-shirt,or a Teddy bear etc


  • #145
    jenny smith
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    mulbot wrote: »
    The dog getting the cadaver scent in the car doesn't necessarily mean a body had been there,it's possible something that was in the car might have been something that was in contact with a dead body e.g, T-shirt,or a Teddy bear etc
    Didn't Kate claim it was on her clothes because she had been dealing with dead people at home?


  • #146
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    mulbot wrote: »
    The dog getting the cadaver scent in the car doesn't necessarily mean a body had been there,it's possible something that was in the car might have been something that was in contact with a dead body e.g, T-shirt,or a Teddy bear etc

    Or else it was nonsense


  • #147
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭mulbot


    LorMal wrote: »
    Or else it was nonsense

    I'd trust a dog before I'd ever trust a human-Dogs don't have a reason to lie


  • #148
    mulbot
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    jenny smith wrote: »
    Didn't Kate claim it was on her clothes because she had been dealing with dead people at home?

    I think so yep,


  • #149
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    I read claims Gerry dumped a fridge from the apartment which he said had broken down. They say Maddie may have been kept in it. But surely the police would have found her when the searched the apartment? Anyone know anything about this fridge?


  • #150
    fin12
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    I also read that Gerry McCann was on the sex offenders register but someone in the British government is hiding that information.


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  • #151
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    fin12 wrote: »
    I also read that Gerry McCann was on the sex offenders register but someone in the British government is hiding that information.
    I have read that too but did not see any hard evidence


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