Dublin Bus Changes to Improve City Center Journeys

Sierra Oscar · 30-01-2018 11:17pm

Looks like it's all one big laugh judging by that RTÉ report.

It was hardly scientific considering the unnecessary Luas delay due to the camera, but it's still pretty shocking that a car can make it across the city a fair bit quicker than the bus.

punisher5112 · 30-01-2018 11:19pm

Hugh Jampton wrote: »

Weird handicap for Luas on the RTE Prime Time section - it never occurred in one bit of Official Ireland that another part needed a permit to film on board, so a ten minute penalty.

I missed it but will try get on catch up.

I haven't looked up their bye laws but must be similar to dB where one must give at least 3 weeks notice of intention to film on a vehicle and it can't be done on any in service vehicle....

So basically has to be hired specifically for that purpose.

Phil.x · 30-01-2018 11:19pm

Hugh Jampton wrote: »

Weird handicap for Luas on the RTE Prime Time section - it never occurred in one bit of Official Ireland that another part needed a permit to film on board, so a ten minute penalty.

The guy from DCC was whipped.

How much was the E-voting disaster 80/100million? for a few boxes of electronics.
The luas is a bargain on the disaster scale €380 million for 4years of roadworks and disruption, x amount of tracks and trams and the main cause of city wide congestion and it only cost €380million...........rip em up!

strandroad · 30-01-2018 11:24pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Looks like it's all one big laugh judging by that RTÉ report.

It was hardly scientific considering the unnecessary Luas delay due to the camera, but it's still pretty shocking that a car can make it across the city a fair bit quicker than the bus.

Not shocking to me at all, sadly. Bus dwell time is unreal, I posted before that it would often take more than one song on my player for the passengers to embark at a bus stop. Several minutes per stop just to load/unload. Single door operation in practice.

fritzelly · 30-01-2018 11:27pm

strandroad wrote: »

Not shocking to me at all, sadly. Bus dwell time is unreal, I posted before that it would often take more than one song on my player for the passengers to embark at a bus stop. Several minutes per stop just to load/unload. Single door operation in practice.

Even when there are the middle doors half the bus still uses the front door!
Drivers need to start telling passengers "back the way you came"

strandroad · 30-01-2018 11:30pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Even when there are the middle doors half the bus still uses the front door!
Drivers need to start telling passengers "back the way you came"

Some drivers won't open the middle door. As a passenger if you miss your stop a few times, you start using the front door again to avoid it.

fritzelly · 30-01-2018 11:31pm

strandroad wrote: »

Some drivers won't open the middle door. As a passenger if you miss your stop a few times, you start using the front door again to avoid it.

Only seen that on quiet stops more outside the city or maybe they need more education that when someone presses the bell they want to get off, but they have become complacent that unless they see someone at the front they wont stop.

BowSideChamp · 30-01-2018 11:31pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Even when there are the middle doors half the bus still uses the front door!
Drivers need to start telling passengers "back the way you came"

The drivers don't open the middle doors half the time.

fritzelly · 30-01-2018 11:33pm

Not like its a novelty

punisher5112 · 30-01-2018 11:47pm

Big thing needs changing is bus stops which can safely accommodate buses to allow for dual door use.

I'm sick of complaining to the nta, dB about it.

Look at rathmines for example. Buses can only get the front nose in with the arse out in traffic as cars can park up to bus stop bays either side and most of the time in bus stops also.

The bus stop bays are not long enough throughout the Dublin region.

Stephen15 · 30-01-2018 11:47pm

I think it's ridiculous that every bus has to use College Green when there are plenty more streets in the city that a bus can use for example Cuffe Street or SSG South is a perfectly wide suitable street for bus running but is not currently used by any DB route. It should be balanced that every street in the CC has an equal number of bus routes running along it rather than a disproportionate number operating on certain streets such The Quays, College Green, Nassau Street, Westmoreland Street and O'Connell Street.

Why not send some cross city around these areas for example a bus travelling westbound from St.Stephens Green towards the Quays could travel SSG South, Cuffe Street, Kevin Street right onto Patrick Street left onto High Street right onto Bridge Street Lwr. and onto the South Quays with Southbound buses turning right from the North Quays onto Fr. Matthew Bridge or a bus travelling Northbound from Leeson could turn right onto Fitzwilliam Street, Merrion Sq. East left onto Merrion Sq. North right onto Lincoln Place, Westland Row, Lombard Street left onto City Quay and right onto Butt Bridge and Northbound from Beresford Place onto Amiens Street.

If those streets were car free or had decent bus lanes it would be possible. It seems the transport planners think bus commuters are incabible of walking and only go into the CC to shop and must be dropped as near as possible to the main shopping streets when that is clearly not the case. Bus users can get off and walk to wherever in The CC they are going.

No matter how bus priority given on College its not going to solve any traffic issues. Even if you got rid of every private bus, every taxi and The Luas it would only ease but not solve any problems as DB buses would still be clogging up the area obstructing one another.

Ernest · 30-01-2018 11:50pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

I'm hoping there's a decent discussion based on the report. Still, better than not being discussed at all I guess!

Well, it was not a decent discussion as it turned out.
Somebody representing Dublin City Council called Paddy Smith (Party affiliation not given on lazy RTE captioning) and Conor Faughnan (AA) talking about buses and trams and taxis and cars competing for road space. Not a single mention in the discussion of the DART or the proposed Dart Underground as if the only place public transport can go is on the street.

Very disappointing.

no.8 · 30-01-2018 11:52pm

This is not 'very Irish'. Trams are run like this all over Europe. Public transport takes priority over any other form of transport bar emergency services.

Pedestrian and cyclelane lights should flash orange (tram symbol) or go red as a tram approaches / is x amount of seconds away. You have to ensure a reliable and safe service.
Blame the trams all you want but this isn't a new problem in Dublin cc. 2 issues...far too many taxis and no underground relief roads/underpasses you'd see in cities of various sizes all around the world. Its all just converges into 1 blob of s**t

AlekSmart · 30-01-2018 11:52pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Even when there are the middle doors half the bus still uses the front door!
Drivers need to start telling passengers "back the way you came"

Any driver telling passengers that leaves themselves liable to a meeting with their Manager.

Currently,passengers may disembark via either door.

Whilst there are directions regarding boarding at the front door only,no such directions (or signage) exist to compel passengers to exit via the centre doors.

https://www.dublinbus.ie/About-Us/Dublin-Bus-Bye-Laws/Boarding-and-Alighting/

8. Where notices are exhibited on a vehicle indicating that a door shall be used for entrance and another door for exit (except in the case of an accident or other emergency or with the consent of an authorised person) a person shall not board or attempt to board the vehicle by the door indicated for exit or alight from or attempt to alight from the vehicle by the door indicated for entrance.

uck51js9zml2yt · 30-01-2018 11:54pm

Drove into dolier st this week. It's worse with the recent changes.
Taking me 10-15 minutes to get the length of dolier st to the Townsend st turnoff.

I'll be back on the bike this week.

fritzelly · 30-01-2018 11:59pm

AlekSmart wrote: »

Any driver telling passengers that leaves themselves liable to a meeting with their Manager.

Currently,passengers may disembark via either door.

Whilst there are directions regarding boarding at the front door only,no such directions (or signage) exist to compel passengers to exit via the centre doors.

https://www.dublinbus.ie/About-Us/Dublin-Bus-Bye-Laws/Boarding-and-Alighting/

Can't say I've seen any notices so maybe it's time they started putting notices up else what was the point of buying these buses (guess the constant announcement is not good enough)

fritzelly · 31-01-2018 12:03am

Arely Melodic Taco wrote: »

Drove into dolier st this week. It's worse with the recent changes.
Taking me 10-15 minutes to get the length of dolier st to the Townsend st turnoff.

I'll be back on the bike this week.

Was never gonna happen, diverting buses just left more room for vans, taxis, cars to fill up the gap
Going to work today northbound from dame st, was 6 taxis in a row behind a bus, 3 empty, 2 had 1 passenger and 1 had 2 passengers - none of them let the bus in.
Leaving that taxi rank there is just encouraging taxis to keep going that way

devnull · 31-01-2018 12:06am

The least efficient road users should be the ones to lose out and they are cars.

Muahahaha · 31-01-2018 1:00am

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

More coverage of the traffic chaos in Dublin City Center.

Gridlocked Taoiseach takes 75 minutes to get to work

I wouldnt mind but Leo lives less than a 60 second walk from Coolmine train station from where he could get into Pearse station in about 25 minutes and then a 5 minute walk to work in Merrion St. Door to door it could be done in 30-35 minutes so if he spent 75 minutes in his chauffeur driven car then thats tough cookie when he has a perfectly acceptable alternative right on his doorstep.

fritzelly · 31-01-2018 1:17am

Muahahaha wrote: »

I wouldnt mind but Leo lives less than a 60 second walk from Coolmine train station from where he could get into Pearse station in about 25 minutes and then a 5 minute walk to work in Merrion St. Door to door it could be done in 30-35 minutes so if he spent 75 minutes in his chauffeur driven car then thats tough cookie when he has a perfectly acceptable alternative right on his doorstep.

But...but...but...he doesn't want to be on a train where there isn't even standing room.

howiya · 31-01-2018 1:27am

Muahahaha wrote: »

I wouldnt mind but Leo lives less than a 60 second walk from Coolmine train station from where he could get into Pearse station in about 25 minutes and then a 5 minute walk to work in Merrion St. Door to door it could be done in 30-35 minutes so if he spent 75 minutes in his chauffeur driven car then thats tough cookie when he has a perfectly acceptable alternative right on his doorstep.

Not a fan of Leo or his party but I don’t think having the Taoiseach get the train to work is a perfectly acceptable alternative. His car is going to have to be nearby given the need to travel on government business so he may as well be in it. Imagine the conversations he could need to be having with half the train listening.

I can see it now. Win the election, arrive up to the Aras and get presented with the seal of office and a leap card.

punisher5112 · 31-01-2018 1:38am

howiya wrote: »

Not a fan of Leo or his party but I don’t think having the Taoiseach get the train to work is a perfectly acceptable alternative. His car is going to have to be nearby given the need to travel on government business so he may as well be in it. Imagine the conversations he could need to be having with half the train listening.

I can see it now. Win the election, arrive up to the Aras and get presented with the seal of office and a leap card.

Get em to the chopper.

budgemook · 31-01-2018 9:21am

Breezed through again this morning. Leo should get up and out a bit earlier in the morning

Sierra Oscar · 31-01-2018 10:28am

budgemook wrote: »

Breezed through again this morning. Leo should get up and out a bit earlier in the morning

What time did you travel through? Carnage on D’Olier Street at the moment. 15 minutes to get from O’Connell Bridge to the end of D’Olier Street.

LeinsterDub · 31-01-2018 10:34am

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

What time did you travel through? Carnage on D’Olier Street at the moment. 15 minutes to get from O’Connell Bridge to the end of D’Olier Street.

Yup same here. Sitting there for ages on the 83 a bus that pointlessly goes to OCS

Sierra Oscar · 31-01-2018 10:36am

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Yup same here. Sitting there for ages on the 83 a bus that pointless goes to OCS

It was 20 minutes by the time I got past Trinity, from O’Connell Bridge.

budgemook · 31-01-2018 10:56am

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

What time did you travel through? Carnage on D’Olier Street at the moment. 15 minutes to get from O’Connell Bridge to the end of D’Olier Street.

I was passing at 8:25 or so. Before the changes it would have taken a good bit longer at this time.

cgcsb · 31-01-2018 11:23am

I doubt Leo's security staff would let him get on a train in rush hour alone. That's understandable, so the altermative is the tinted window car, but obviously that takes a lot longer, as should be expected, it's one of those things you give up when you're in such a position, along with a great % of your privacy.

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 31-01-2018 11:25am

budgemook wrote: »

I was passing at 8:25 or so. Before the changes it would have taken a good bit longer at this time.

Seems like things have gotten a bit better if you go a bit earlier.

LeinsterDub · 31-01-2018 12:39pm

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Seems like things have gotten a bit better if you go a bit earlier.

Would an idea be to remove the parking on the right D'oiler St and build a Bus stop platform?

Bus would drive up where the cars Park now, the platform would in the current right most traffic lane. So you'd have to driving lanes and 2 bus stopping lanes

The issue for me this morning was the bus took 5 minutes to pull across D'oiler St to get to the bus stop

budgemook · 31-01-2018 12:43pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Would an idea be to remove the parking on the right D'oiler St and build a Bus stop platform?

Bus would drive up where the cars Park now, the platform would in the current right most traffic lane. So you'd have to driving lanes and 2 bus stopping lanes

The issue for me this morning was the bus took 5 minutes to pull across D'oiler St to get to the bus stop

Earlier is better so far but it's only a couple of days so cautious optimism.

Regarding the bus stop - I've been avoiding the 39 since the troubles began when possible, the 37 or 70 don't stop on D'Olier street.

Sierra Oscar · 31-01-2018 12:52pm

budgemook wrote: »

Earlier is better so far but it's only a couple of days so cautious optimism.

Regarding the bus stop - I've been avoiding the 39 since the troubles began when possible, the 37 or 70 don't stop on D'Olier street.

Does the 39 / 39a even really need to stop on D'Olier Street? It's a 300m or so walk from the Bachelor's Walk stop to the D'Olier Street stop.

One of the major contributors to the problem on D'Olier Street is buses trying to cross from the right lane right across to the bus stop on the left lane, alongside cars having to cut across traffic to access Townsend Street. It's a mess.

dfx- · 31-01-2018 1:09pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Does the 39 / 39a even really need to stop on D'Olier Street? It's a 300m or so walk from the Bachelor's Walk stop to the D'Olier Street stop.

One of the major contributors to the problem on D'Olier Street is buses trying to cross from the right lane right across to the bus stop on the left lane, alongside cars having to cut across traffic to access Townsend Street. It's a mess.

39A should, it is definitely used for passengers boarding. And it's too big a gap between Bachelor's Walk and Nassau St like the 25s and 66/67s.

devnull · 31-01-2018 1:12pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Does the 39 / 39a even really need to stop on D'Olier Street? It's a 300m or so walk from the Bachelor's Walk stop to the D'Olier Street stop.

Exactly how much time do you reckon it is losing because of this? Is it really that bad?

Tickityboo · 31-01-2018 1:15pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Would an idea be to remove the parking on the right D'oiler St and build a Bus stop platform?

Bus would drive up where the cars Park now, the platform would in the current right most traffic lane. So you'd have to driving lanes and 2 bus stopping lanes

The issue for me this morning was the bus took 5 minutes to pull across D'oiler St to get to the bus stop

The doors for disembarking and embarking are on the left hand side!!

LeinsterDub · 31-01-2018 1:40pm

Tickityboo wrote: »

The doors for disembarking and embarking are on the left hand side!!

Yes as I said the bus would be in the lane where the parking is now and the "platform" would be in the current right most traffic lane aka left of the parking

Tickityboo · 31-01-2018 1:46pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Yes as I said the bus would be in the lane where the parking is now and the "platform" would in the current right most traffic lane aka left of the parking

So you did!! Apologies

punisher5112 · 31-01-2018 2:25pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Yes as I said the bus would be in the lane where the parking is now and the "platform" would be in the current right most traffic lane aka left of the parking

There were or are plans to change dolier street layout...

Stops were out further if I recall correctly.

Sierra Oscar · 31-01-2018 3:11pm

devnull wrote: »

Exactly how much time do you reckon it is losing because of this? Is it really that bad?

It all depends on whether the bus manages to get onto O'Connell Bridge in the left or right hand lane.

If its left then it's not too bad as it can go straight on up to the bus stop on D'Olier Street. If it's in the right hand lane and has to cross over left to the bus stop then you're looking at a 5 minute delay, at least. It's also holding up other vehicles behind it as it tries to cross over. Other buses will usually try and let a bus cross over, but I find other vehicles don't tend to yield to the buses.

budgemook · 31-01-2018 6:34pm

Not having so much luck going home. 37 northbound decided to go down the left lane on Tara street which is madness really, that lane has been awful since the lights at the Rosie Hackett bridge went in. Most drivers either go down the middle lane and turn left onto the right lane of Burgh Quay or just continue over to the northside and come back over the RH. Not sure why the bus I'm on didn't do that - 30 mins to get to Aston Quay from Leeson St

AlekSmart · 31-01-2018 7:13pm

budgemook wrote: »

Not having so much luck going home. 37 northbound decided to go down the left lane on Tara street which is madness really, that lane has been awful since the lights at the Rosie Hackett bridge went in. Most drivers either go down the middle lane and turn left onto the right lane of Burgh Quay or just continue over to the northside and come back over the RH. Not sure why the bus I'm on didn't do that - 30 mins to get to Aston Quay from Leeson St

The Statutory Road Markings on Tara Street do not allow for a left turn from anything other than the inside lane.
A €60 fine and 1 Penalty Point is enough to prevent Busdrivers generally acting the jinnet here.
With the continuing inability of the Gardai to enforce any Road Traffic Legislation here,it should be turned over to automatic ANPR enforcement,remove the ban and instead simply charge €200 a pop to those who don't see why laws should apply to THEM ?

devnull · 31-01-2018 7:25pm

Really ANPR should be being used for all traffic offences that it's feasible for rather than the light touch policing that we have here which allows people to get away with things or if the police do say anything, it's simply "don't do it again." for the same people to come back and do the same thing further down the road or the next day.

Question is though what would the Garda unions think of this? I'm guessing they will reject this on the basis that a machine is replacing work that a human would do?

LuckyLloyd · 31-01-2018 8:02pm

Such an absolute disaster all told

fritzelly · 31-01-2018 8:19pm

City seemed worse today, Rosie Hackett bridge looked like a car park. Even the buses were trying to push their way through the lights

Spanish Eyes · 31-01-2018 8:45pm

I think DCC and TFI or whatever they are called, realise that the game is up now and something's got to give eventually.

I could be a cynic and say they allowed it to happen so they can justify the traffic management changes they were hinting at, ie. car and taxi banning etc.

It is really unacceptable that a silver tram taking a handful of people to the Northside has made the lives of many bus commuters totally miserable. I sympathise.

Does anyone know if passenger numbers from say SSG to Broombridge are published, or will be published anywhere? Thanks.

Sad Professor · 31-01-2018 8:50pm

That Prime Time "race" was painful to watch. Kevin looked like he had never used the bus before. The whole idea of having to wait at a bus stop in the rain seemed like a novelty to him.

budgemook · 31-01-2018 8:54pm

AlekSmart wrote: »

The Statutory Road Markings on Tara Street do not allow for a left turn from anything other than the inside lane.
A €60 fine and 1 Penalty Point is enough to prevent Busdrivers generally acting the jinnet here.
With the continuing inability of the Gardai to enforce any Road Traffic Legislation here,it should be turned over to automatic ANPR enforcement,remove the ban and instead simply charge €200 a pop to those who don't see why laws should apply to THEM ?

Tbh yesterday was the first time I saw a bus doing the left from the middle maneuver, normally it's over the bridge and back around.

thomasj · 31-01-2018 9:36pm

Sierra Oscar wrote:

Does the 39 / 39a even really need to stop on D'Olier Street? It's a 300m or so walk from the Bachelor's Walk stop to the D'Olier Street stop.

Maybe we should consider removing the 145 and 83 while we're at it.

dashcamdanny · 31-01-2018 10:18pm

Taxis out of collage green. 24/7

Taxis and cycles out of bus lanes. And cycles segregated completely.

Places like Rathmines need to be fixed. The bus lane is simply a parking zone for shop owners.

From Georges street to Camden st needs to be double yellowed, and traffic wardens deployed. Taxi rank times are being ignored by taxis.

The revenue gathering exercise our current clampers do is not useful. What is the point of clamping a car on a side street in Ringsend for an expired ticket, when some womble has parked his truck outside Burdock chippy on Werburg st or a taxi has blocked a lane in Dame street to have breakfast in the Londis.

Its an absolute joke what goes on in our city. They spend millions on crap and dont enforce the existing rules..

Cookie_Monster · 01-02-2018 2:59am

dashcamdanny wrote: »

And cycles segregated completely.

totally pointless as they won't be used. Segregated lanes will be badly planned and built, lose priority at every junction, direct cyclist where they don't want to go and they'll just use the road instead, like most of the existing network.

Dublin Bus Changes to Improve City Center Journeys

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