Today I saw an abandoned classic and took a pic thread!

okistag · 31-07-2010 1:14pm

Saab Ed wrote: »

Because even if something older does come in it'll probably sit there too long before all the valuable parts are sold off it, in the throw away society we live in its much easier for people to just buy another car rather than repair a good yet broken old one. Nope its much easier for the scrappy to just bail the older cars and turn it into a ton of metal which translates into ready cash and more space for fresher cars to sit in off which the parts will sell quicker

You are more than likely right there, but surely when they get 3 enquiries that we know of on the car and asking about the same things like interior surely they smell money!! at the time we told them what we wanted and they agreed but its was the fellow driving the fork lift who did the damage and didnt care less and just lifted. He was only meant to take the top car off we could have got what we wanted where it was. So shock value maybe by the forklift driver but when we said it to the boss man when paying for bits we wanted, he said you should have taken these parts yesterday so!! I would guess its already gone in the crusher somehow as we were asked a few times "lads are you in finished yet" by the guy who was getting them ready for the crusher

Blue Punto · 31-07-2010 1:45pm

Must be fantastic money in the scrap trade if they are willing to to wreck an interior like that and screw up a sale of a couple of hundred quid.

Either that or the driver of the fork truck is a blind muppet who should be sacked for doing what he did

Anyone have a field and we will open our own breakers yard and get rich too while we are at it

kasper · 31-07-2010 1:56pm

i heard only yesterday the price of metal is gone up and the price of scrap is sky high , i rang that guy in the kildare scrapyard about parts he had on a twenty six year old car he had in stock the car was complete , he told me it was baled two days before because he had another visit from the epa

okistag · 31-07-2010 1:57pm

Blue Punto wrote: »

Must be fantastic money in the scrap trade if they are willing to to wreck an interior like that and screw up a sale of a couple of hundred quid.

Either that or the driver of the fork truck is a blind muppet who should be sacked for doing what he did

Anyone have a field and we will open our own breakers yard and get rich too while we are at it

Good point, there must be money in a good scrap yard for claasic here, sure if that Damiler was in UK it would have been stripped correctly and parts would of been on offer. Hence why we all land up bringing in parts for our classics paying for shiping etc and the yoyo's go out of our country.

okistag · 31-07-2010 2:00pm

by the way I asked the fellow in the yard if Daimler was in on a scrappage deal and he said NO, something about a clear out of a place and two or 3 cars were removed!!

VolvoMan · 31-07-2010 5:43pm

Saab Ed wrote: »

Probably a scrappage scheme car. If so then it had to be scrapped once a certificate of destruction was issued. Sad really , what a lovely car but the reality was it wasn't worth any more. Much as im making a living out of this scrappage scheme , my heart is braking seeing cars like this being destroyed

If you had read my post I said that the car was part of a collection of a chap I used to know. I'd highly doubt he'd be the type to buy a new car, never mind the sort of cars available under the scrappage scheme. I also only saw the car in his parents drive way for a short period, so I wouldn't say he had it the required 18 months either.

He's moved out now, so I probably won't see him for a while. If I do happen to come across him in the near future I am going to find out what he was thinking and report back here.

VolvoMan · 31-07-2010 5:47pm

okistag wrote: »

by the way I asked the fellow in the yard if Daimler was in on a scrappage deal and he said NO, something about a clear out of a place and two or 3 cars were removed!!

That's the place across the road from me!

Judging by the other cars parked near it at the time, I'd say that's not the least of the good metal has gone to the crusher as well.:(

I really am shocked at this to be honest. Why wouldn't he just offer them for sale rather than send them to an early grave like he did?

carchaeologist · 31-07-2010 6:03pm

Blue Punto wrote: »

Anyone have a field and we will open our own breakers yard and get rich too while we are at it

Thats all well and good but the EPA robots would be in like a shot,of flying around in their chopper...

galwaytt · 31-07-2010 6:35pm

carchaeologist wrote: »

Thats all well and good but the EPA robots would be in like a shot,of flying around in their chopper...

....oh yeah, nice'n'evironmentally friendly, that.......:rolleyes:

ronaneire · 31-07-2010 7:24pm

It seems they don't give a flying fcuk about what they sell or do.
Any other breakers would have possibly put it to one side knowing somebody would have been interested her for parts.
It is a total shame and disgrace.

kasper · 31-07-2010 7:52pm

couldnt see the like of it happening in any other country

okistag · 31-07-2010 8:22pm

I understand when one says its not worth much due to road tax or mpg.
I have a XJR and they seem to hold their value of course condition based but in generial they do get a premium over a XJ8 etc. That was a rare enough car to be honest. I do not think it was a scrappage car as stated before by Volvo. It was worth something and I know what i would of given for it, never mind just for interior and moduls etc.

Anyhow I would like to say this.

A close friend of mine bought brand new in 2004 a CL 600 Merc with all the extras and the price landed up at 180000 euro. Now 6 years later its a mid 20k car !!
That means it cost them 155000 to have it for 6 years, each year it dropped by 25000 grand. (This I wouldnt mind if the merc had 200k plus on it but its just over 21k on the clock. would hate to think what cost per mile and never mind mpg)

My Jag the road tax is crazy at 1500 per year, but one years depreciation on his merc would cover the next 15 years road tax on my jaguar.

The Jag drives as well and in my personal view i prefer Jag. I do not see it as worthless at all, I have the comfort, speed if i want it, just a magic car with little or depreciation at this stage. To replace it for something like it and more modern would be crazy based purely on depreciation.

Even if money was no problem, I would hate to buy something that i knew i was going to lose that kind of money on. If one house dropped by the same value there would be war well there is. If i did buy a new car it would have to be something I would hang on to for ever.

So I guess what I am saying is, That Daimler or any other car should hold some value it has all the refinment of anything else but actually cost less if one sits and thinks about it.

Or am I trying to justify my Jag !!! nah I am not. I just think we have just lost all our marbles !!!

Max_Damage · 31-07-2010 9:10pm

Seems like I opened a can of worms by posting that picture in the first place!

kasper · 31-07-2010 9:13pm

Max_Damage wrote: »

Seems like I opened a can of worms by posting that picture in the first place!

and the only way to redeem yourself is find the forklift driver and give him a good kick where it hurts most

okistag · 31-07-2010 9:22pm

Max_Damage wrote: »

Seems like I opened a can of worms by posting that picture in the first place!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Max_Damage View Post
Seems like I opened a can of worms by posting that picture in the first place!

and the only way to redeem yourself is find the forklift driver and give him a good kick where it hurts most

now i am

and i agree with above qoute

Max_Damage · 31-07-2010 9:25pm

kasper wrote: »

i heard only yesterday the price of metal is gone up and the price of scrap is sky high , i rang that guy in the kildare scrapyard about parts he had on a twenty six year old car he had in stock the car was complete , he told me it was baled two days before because he had another visit from the epa

Is that this lad?: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scrawb/

kasper · 31-07-2010 9:28pm

no there was a link on one of the threads here in the last two weeks or so

hi5 · 01-08-2010 12:29pm

I know a lad who recently started going around collecting scrapped cars with an A-frame kept in the back of his transit pickup.He's getting €100-€130 per ton from a yard near Bunclody and they are scouring every back yard in the country.I told him to let me know of anything interesting or old,scrapped a late 70's bluebird the other day:(
The whole depreciation thing bugs the s**t out of me.
Either a €150000 car isnt worth it in the first place or secondhand prices are dictated by an industry only concerned about churning out new stuff to keep the worlds consumer economy ticking over,probably a bit of both.
Its not about the environment its about the economy,
every old car kept alive is one less job for somone in the car industry.
I also find it ironic that there is a scrapyard at the Redcow,wouldnt it be better served as housing considering its convienent location,Luas,M50 etc, instead of forcing people to commute for miles from surrounding counties into the city centre.

carchaeologist · 01-08-2010 12:31pm

hi5 wrote: »

I know a lad who recently started going around collecting scrapped cars with an A-frame kept in the back of his transit pickup.He's getting €100-€130 per ton from a yard near Bunclody and they are scouring every back yard in the country.

Thats happening everywhere,theres lots of guys doing that down here too. Cars are being pulled out of fields that have been there for years. Id be afraid to leave something parked up for too long!:p

okistag · 01-08-2010 1:04pm

hi5 wrote: »

I know a lad who recently started going around collecting scrapped cars with an A-frame kept in the back of his transit pickup.He's getting €100-€130 per ton from a yard near Bunclody and they are scouring every back yard in the country.I told him to let me know of anything interesting or old,scrapped a late 70's bluebird the other day:(
The whole depreciation thing bugs the s**t out of me.
Either a €150000 car isnt worth it in the first place or secondhand prices are dictated by an industry only concerned about churning out new stuff to keep the worlds consumer economy ticking over,probably a bit of both.
Its not about the environment its about the economy,
every old car kept alive is one less job for somone in the car industry.
I also find it ironic that there is a scrapyard at the Redcow,wouldnt it be better served as housing considering its convienent location,Luas,M50 etc, instead of forcing people to commute for miles from surrounding counties into the city centre.

I agree fully with you, I just think its crazy people buy new cars and it drops 50 % in 3 years. Then its scrap value in 8 - 10 years. Yes the it is economy they are interested in but not everyone can afford new either.

macplaxton · 01-08-2010 7:45pm

hi5 wrote: »

every old car kept alive is one less job for somone in the car industry

Don't agree with that bit. As even old cars need parts are services.

Sam Russell · 01-08-2010 7:55pm

hi5 wrote: »

Its not about the environment its about the economy,
every old car kept alive is one less job for somone in the car industry.

Every old car kept alive is one less robot required in the car industry.

carchaeologist · 01-08-2010 9:31pm

Max_Damage wrote: »

Seems like I opened a can of worms by posting that picture in the first place!

No,seems the Forklift diver tried a bit of industrial can opening with his forklift...:rolleyes:

kev1.3s · 02-08-2010 2:44pm

Heres one for landy!

junkyarddog · 02-08-2010 4:43pm

carchaeologist wrote: »

Thats happening everywhere,theres lots of guys doing that down here too. Cars are being pulled out of fields that have been there for years. Id be afraid to leave something parked up for too long!:p

If they havent got a waste collection permit,report them to your local authority.

KingIsabella · 03-08-2010 10:44am

Had to get the bus from cork-kilkenny and back over the weekend, crazy the amount of fields, driveways, gardens and farmyards absolutely littered in abandoned classics left there to rot. One yard had about 15 old cars all sitting there gathering rust, overrun by brambles.

Shame.

knipex · 04-08-2010 2:53pm

hi5 wrote: »

Its not about the environment its about the economy,
every old car kept alive is one less job for somone in the car industry.

Not true.

For every new car sold a large percentage of that money leaves the economy and goes abroad.

For every second hand car sold within Ireland the money stays within the economy.

One new car sale supports no job. Talk to any dealer the don't make their money on new car sales they make it on commission for finance (also applies to second hand cars) and after sales (which they would increase dramatically if they stopped charging outlandish prices).

Every old car saved keeps money int eh economy, supports a service industry and does far more benefit to the economy.

okistag · 04-08-2010 11:57pm

knipex wrote: »

Not true.

For every new car sold a large percentage of that money leaves the economy and goes abroad.

For every second hand car sold within Ireland the money stays within the economy.

One new car sale supports no job. Talk to any dealer the don't make their money on new car sales they make it on commission for finance (also applies to second hand cars) and after sales (which they would increase dramatically if they stopped charging outlandish prices).

Every old car saved keeps money int eh economy, supports a service industry and does far more benefit to the economy.

Very well put !!!!!!

hi5 · 06-08-2010 12:32am

Read my post again,I never mentioned Ireland.
Manufacturing is the most profitable part of the industry.
Dont know why its called an 'industry' in Ireland,delusional or probably harks back to a time when we assembled cars here.

ahal · 08-08-2010 2:19pm

knipex wrote: »

Not true.

For every new car sold a large percentage of that money leaves the economy and goes abroad.

For every second hand car sold within Ireland the money stays within the economy.

One new car sale supports no job. Talk to any dealer the don't make their money on new car sales they make it on commission for finance (also applies to second hand cars) and after sales (which they would increase dramatically if they stopped charging outlandish prices).

Every old car saved keeps money int eh economy, supports a service industry and does far more benefit to the economy.

+ 1000,000

And what the Greenies seem to keep conveniently forgetting is that keeping older cars going is better for the enviornment. If I'm not mistaken most of the pollution occurs during the manufacture of a car: I read somewhere that you'd have to keep a car on the road for 30 years in order for it to break even, in the overall scheme of pollution.

My 16 year old 1.8 costs me something like €600 a year to tax. A brand new 2.0 Diesel costs €156 for the entire year. Something wrong there, unless daisys grow out the exhaust of the diesel. Bloody scam of the millenium.

No doubt but the greens put the tin hat on the second hand car business with the new Tax bands of mid '08. Then again the trade is largely to blame and sort of asked for it. For as long as I can remember the S.I.M.I. have been portraying older cars as "dangerous" (bogus) and anyone who's not an SIMI member as a dodgy criminal up a laneway.

Sam Russell · 08-08-2010 4:06pm

ahal wrote: »

+ 1000,000

No doubt but the greens put the tin hat on the second hand car business with the new Tax bands of mid '08. Then again the trade is largely to blame and sort of asked for it. For as long as I can remember the S.I.M.I. have been portraying older cars as "dangerous" (bogus) and anyone who's not an SIMI member as a dodgy criminal up a laneway.

It was SIMI who wanted the VRT gone, and when it was reduced, they were the loudest voice complaining because ti reduced the value of secondhand cars. What did they expect?

Cars over 10 years old should get a lower rate of road tax, say 25% off, and further reductions as the car ages. So by 30 years old, it is more or less free.

carchaeologist · 08-08-2010 5:47pm

ahal wrote: »

For as long as I can remember the S.I.M.I. have been portraying older cars as "dangerous" (bogus) QUOTE]
Indeed,you always hear about 'Dangerous polluting older cars'. Whats the NCT for so!!!!

If I'm not mistaken most of the pollution occurs during the manufacture of a car

This is true,the Green argument for buying a new car and scrapping an older one is totally invalid. On the surface it sounds like a good thing to get rid of an old polluting car,which nowadays is usually a late 90s/ early 2000s car which was probably marketed as low emissions when new and also has the NCT test to keep emissions in check.
What about the fields and fields of cars full of pollutants that are now scrapped because of the percieved environmental benefit.
Building a car then scrapping it after not much more than 10 years on the road is about as environmentally unfriendly as i can think of.

Saab Ed · 08-08-2010 10:45pm

hi5 wrote: »

Read my post again,I never mentioned Ireland.
Manufacturing is the most profitable part of the industry.
Dont know why its called an 'industry' in Ireland,delusional or probably harks back to a time when we assembled cars here.

Profitable for who though !!!! Its very profitable for the government which is the only reason they've introduced the SS

DarenO · 08-08-2010 10:49pm

I take it no one has spotted an abandoned car recently :-)

Hifive · 08-08-2010 11:06pm

I have!
Saw this one just this afternoon, crap photo though. It's a Fiat 124 sport and appears to have had the engine removed. I have a feeling this car was mentioned here before.
Its on a side road off the main Waterford to New Ross road.

G Luxel · 14-08-2010 1:11am

saw these during the week

theres an XJS behind it....

also just got this much of a Bluebird abandoned too....

:rolleyes:

Max_Damage · 14-08-2010 9:49am

^ Does that Bluebird have an 'SI' reg? If so, it may be the same one that used to live near me some time back.

G Luxel · 14-08-2010 11:01pm

Max_Damage wrote: »

^ Does that Bluebird have an 'SI' reg? If so, it may be the same one that used to live near me some time back.

eh..hmmm

I dont think so, its an 84/85 bluebird, sold new here, cant remember the plate...:)

G Luxel · 29-08-2010 1:50am

needs to be moved soon...

may be scrapped or for sale..Dolomite 1300

another Dolomite for the scrapheap, just whats left of it....

jimbooth · 29-08-2010 10:19am

How good / bad is that renault? and where is it?

alastair · 29-08-2010 11:32am

This ('72 Volvo 1800ES) had been sitting beside a hedge in Meath for a few years. Bought it last month and currently stripping it down for parts for my '73 - it's rusted remarkably badly from being laid up - in all sorts of unusual places. Still lots to salvage from it though.

Ali Babba · 29-08-2010 11:36am

There are two Volvo coupes on ebay with Cork regs for sale at the moment.

Tommyboy40 · 29-08-2010 4:04pm

alastair wrote: »

This ('72 Volvo 1800ES) had been sitting beside a hedge in Meath for a few years. Bought it last month and currently stripping it down for parts for my '73 - it's rusted remarkably badly from being laid up - in all sorts of unusual places. Still lots to salvage from it though.

What a beautiful motor!! post pics of yours

1948Wolseley · 29-08-2010 4:07pm

G Luxel wrote: »

What are the chances someone out there is looking for a good steering wheel to finish off their Dolomite restoration?

jimbooth · 29-08-2010 10:19pm

Ali Babba wrote: »

There are two Volvo coupes on ebay with Cork regs for sale at the moment.

had a look but couldnt see em, any chance of a link??

2cv · 29-08-2010 10:23pm

jimbooth wrote: »

had a look but couldnt see em, any chance of a link??

They're sold... They're being shipped to Poland. I saw the cars during the week...

kasper · 29-08-2010 10:35pm

G Luxel wrote: »

needs to be moved soon...

may be scrapped or for sale..Dolomite 1300

another Dolomite for the scrapheap, just whats left of it....

where is the renault 12 ?

johnos1984 · 29-08-2010 11:06pm

Where is the green Dolly and what condition is it in

G Luxel · 29-08-2010 11:42pm

1948Wolseley wrote: »

What are the chances someone out there is looking for a good steering wheel to finish off their Dolomite restoration?

yep, shouldnt be a problem. Ill do my best to reserve it...

G Luxel · 29-08-2010 11:45pm

2cv wrote: »

They're sold... They're being shipped to Poland. I saw the cars during the week...

Is the car on the left an 80s import? Was the blue car sold here new in LHD? And a nice Renault Floride/Caravelle in the background :-)

Today I saw an abandoned classic and took a pic thread!

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