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BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

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  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭brianc89


    It looks bizarre. I guess since cyclists can't turn right onto Drumcondra road, this would allow them to veer left across the junction, then go straight across, if that makes sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    Looks like two-stage turns for leaving the side roads turning right, one of which coming from Millmount Avenue appears to be superfluous... 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭rameire


    Im thinking there will be at least 18 poles with signs on them when finished to tell us.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭davetherave


    From Chapter 4, Section 8 - Traffic Signs and Road Markings

    https://swordsscheme.ie/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2023/05/08.-Traffic-Signs-and-Road-Markings.pdf

    and Page 82 and 83 of the Junction Design Report


    Cycle Infrastructure CBC:

    • The southbound cycle track have been improved and taken through the junction with protected approaches;
    • Northbound cyclists will utilise the proposed cycle track over the Tolka River. A dedicated right-turn cycle lane is provided for cyclists turning right from the CBC south arm to Richmond Road;
    • Internal cycle lanes to guide cycle movements through the junction; and
    • Dedicated early cycle and bus phase to enable cyclists to advance before general traffic.

    Side Roads:

    • Advanced Stop Line (ASL) is proposed on the Richmond Road approach.
    • Cyclists travelling south from Millmount Avenue will require to cross the mainline to a southbound cycle waiting area on the north side of Richmond Road.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    A real mess. The griffith avenue and mobhi Road junction is already ruined with poles and signs.

    The street should be legible without poles and signs.

    What cyclist is actually going to use that right turn loop to cross the bridge? It's an extreme detour.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭jd


    Swords Corridor plans are out and it looks like tha is what they are doing for D4 terminus




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Really wish they’d just bring the D4 to the Airport and improve direct connectivity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Wholeheartedly agree. The D4 is replacing the 27b which many people use from Northwood and Turnapin along the Swords Rd.

    That are will lose their bus service towards Beamont etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    BusConnects concept is having an idea that main routes are to go to the city centre and the orbitals are to serve the areas between the other parts of the city, while the P, X and L are the supplementary services. There's a lot of reliance on switching between the services. It's good for simplicity (as little routes as possible, but they are frequent). There's an attempt to avoid route duplication for efficiency. However, it doesn't seem to work well with some areas due to too many public consultations which lead to the scheme being improved, but on the other side also somehow washed off a bit. I can see the grand plan logic being broken with such zigzagy routes as 19, 60 etc.

    I wish they have focused to the orbitals and local routes more. We also need to agree on what the main spines are for in order to avoid them being stretched mire when Dublin will spread further. Otherwise, we will end up having the same scattered and messy bus scheme as we do have now. Spines shouldn't go much far away from the other spine within the same spine group. D4 to the Airport is ratuonal, but not logical, based on the BusConnects attempt to make a consistent plan. So, we have to ask ourselves how do we imagine BusConnected routes to change in a few decades: will we stick to the plan logics or not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Where the D4 is proposed to terminate at the Centra beside Coolock Lane / Swords Road misses out a simple, easy additional route to the airport which would cover Fairview, Malahide Road, Artane, Beaumont Hospital, Kilmore having a direct route to the airport for very little addition.

    Presumably the route will still be worked by Harristown, so you will have a situation of a bus getting to the new terminus, going out of service, and then running empty along its old (current) route to the side of the airport. Northwood, Turnapin and the business parks all losing their service.

    Furthermore, the Beaumont folks who use the 16 to get to the airport, lose their direct route, but an extended D4 would allow them a short walk along Skellys Lane to pick up a service to the airport. Finally a lot of people travel in the section from Santry to the Airport (particularly the populated Northwood with no bus) as they live close to the airport for work. The D4 would provide capacity on this busy section.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    This is made all the worse by the proposed frequencies between the Airport and the city via Drumcondra.

    Currently there are 8 PSO buses an hour (5 x 16 and 3 x 41).

    What is planned is just 5 x A2 per hour, a reduction of 3 buses an hour, which given the current traffic growth at the airport is nothing but insane.

    There will be the new route 19 via Ballymun, just once an hour, and the new route 24 three times an hour via Charlestown and Glasnevin, both welcome, but nothing to the eastern suburbs except for the N8.

    Airports need direct buses from local communities and a decent direct service to the city centre.

    Why should more people be forced to use private operators as a result of the planned reduction in service along the Drumcondra corridor to/from the airport?

    It beggars belief.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There are already some local passengers coming in at peak who walk out to the swords road to get 41c or anything else that passes (41a/b/d, 33) due to the 16s and 41s leaving full.



  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭brianc89


    Will it use newer higher capacity buses on the A2? Even an extra one per hour would be good, every 10 minutes.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I'm fairly sure there are no plans for higher capacity than what we already have. Indeed the last few triple axles are not being replaced like for like.

    Airport buses are lower capacity anyway, due to the bag racks.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    No, there aren’t any higher capacity buses in the fleet, they are all the same (there are some old triaxles, but they are only single door and probably won’t last much longer).

    Of course they could buy some new triaxles, but there hasn’t been any news about that yet.

    There has been some mention of possibly using BRT/articulated buses on the route, but that could be years away.

    In the meantime they should just increase the frequency of the A2 and have other local routes go to the airport as others have mentioned above. Just 5 buses an hour serving the airport is pathetic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    I definitely agree and support your and others' expressed opinion to extend D4 to the airport. I think, some other routes could also be amended to have slightly better scheme from what we have now. I didn't like the idea of G1 going via Ballyfermot for instance. They could have also made a route similar to existing 51d to have more connections. However, it kind of duplicates the orbitals then... I think, BC planners should have brainstormed with the PT enthusiasts more rather than being so focused to numerous of public consultations. We could have looked into better opportunities to have more different routes and be a little more creative. A lot of BC radials will be based on the pre BC routes. In most cases it's understandable due to the routes just following the roads. But I hate the idea of G2 still doing circle at Neilstown. It could have been quicker to town similar to 79a and then be extended to either Grange Castle Business Park or Adamstown. Plenty of other opportunities with other routes too. Inner M50 should have more L routes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭jd


    There was a proposal by Dublin Bus to run the 27B from Harristown all along Northwood Avenue. Shame it didn't happen. Here is an email to me back in 2007



    "I spoke again today with Dublin Bus regarding getting a bus service into Northwood. They tell me now that their plans have altered slightly.


    They now plan to run the 27B through the estate. They expect this to happen in about six weeks to two months. They agreed with the developers of Northwood today that they (the developers) will install kerbing to accommodate low-floor buses. They also have to make adjustments to the ramps in the estate. An on-site meeting will be held with the developers again soon to finalise where exactly the stops will be provided. Incidentally, Dublin Bus claim that, given the respective bus priority on either route, 27B is actually quicker than the 4 into the City Centre.


    Dublin Bus also confirmed two other improvements.


    1. They intend to extend the number 4 route from end of April/early May to Blackrock and Stradbrooke

    2. They plan a new service, the 141, (every 10 minutes) from Swords Manor, serving Old Swords Road, through O'Connell Street to Rathmines and Palmerstown Park.



    It took a while, but genuine progress seems to have been made and let's hope Dublin Bus can stick to the timescale they have outlined.


    Yours sincerely,


    Róisín Shortall T.D."



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭thomasj


    39As were all over the shop with the rugby and Taylor boxing last night . No buses stopped at Blackhall/manor street between 12 and 1.20 last night. 7 buses in all passed full between 12 and 1.20, The eight bus that did stop the driver said first 2 and everyone piled on. Also there were no VTs out last night.

    At one stage , there were 50 people waiting at the Manor street stop



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    39a is currently every 30 min at the night time. Assuming there were cancelled buses, a frequency should be changed to 20 or even 15 min.

    I doubt we need C1 and C2 be both night services. The whole C spine delivers a 15 min frequency, and I think either C1 or C2 could be a day time service only. This would still provide a decent frequency of every 20 min for the main C spine and every, but the bus driver could be better used to serve busier routes at night.



  • Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭DaBluBoi


    It all depends on the current load factors of the C spine during nighttime. If the NTA were to find them unsatisfactory, they would’ve reduced the frequency by now, but they clearly haven’t



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Ok, for instance, L58/L59 (L54 often too) load is close to zero, but the NTA hasn't changed schedules for these routes yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭thomasj


    In fairness , the driver of the bus I was on was telling me 39A runs to a 15 minute frequency outbound on a Friday/Saturday from the city outbound but it's not in the public timetable . Even then , he said that Dublin bus didn't forsee the loadings on the route last night .

    The 10pm 39 from Burlington Road was skipping stops in Stoneybatter .



  • Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    That is certainly not my experience with the L59 and L54! Do you take these routes often?



  • Registered Users Posts: 573 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    That's interesting about the extra nighttime 39As. A couple of times I've just missed one or a bus has passed by full and I'd be raging having to wait another 30 mins but lo and behold another would follow in 5 or 10 mins that wasnt on the RTPI. I just assumed it was due to buses backing up and getting bunched together. Didn't realise they were additional services.

    Nighttime taxi requests to Dublin 15 must have plummeted since the introduction of this mostly fantastic service. I'd say I got a taxi about 40 times a year after nights out pre 24 hour service and only about once or twice a year since. That's a saving of almost a grand a year on what was an average €30 taxi fare! I never really did the Nitelinks in the last 10 + years as the times were less flexible and i hated traipsing all the way back to Westmoreland St which was a fair distance from where I usually socialised.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Getting a taxi to south dublin was a nightmare last night.

    Why in hell they dont put the luas on late friday and saturday is beyond me.

    Justt do the late night track works Sunday to Thursday.

    Plenty of people i know and myself included head home early, purely because we know the taxi situation is a nightmare after about 01:00.

    Luas would solve the problem and take some strain from the buses/taxis.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Quite - those routes are certainly growing in patronage, albeit slowly, but they are growing, and serving areas that had no bus service before.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    I dunno which is worse, having buses on RTPI that don't show up, or having buses that aren't scheduled to appear on them at all!



  • Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    Yes. I take L54 and L59 several times a day each. The L54 is consistently packed. They have to send two buses at once a few times during the day. The L59 is always busy - and a vital link for connecting to schools between Leixlip and Celbridge.

    Post edited by Hippodrome Song Owl on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    The 41 has extra buses now during the night. I got denied boarding due to it being full, left ahead of time and then the actual 02:30 came along. Literally two 41s in 10 minutes, completely full at 02:30 from Abbey St. At least they have found some drivers to provide reliefs. I think they work out to Swords and then go straight back into the city and work out as required.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    They won't disimprove the frequency of any already BusConnected route.

    And equally won't improve or be very slow to improve a non BusConnected route.



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