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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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    #4412
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,730 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    the.red.baron wrote: »
    The Indian numbers must be the most sketchy on the list

    Yep, they are not testing at all extensively, they don't have the capacity to, or the hospital beds for this, once it gets embedded in the community there they are in big trouble.


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    #4413
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 36,128 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    These restrictions sound great on paper but I was on lower Baggot St. yesterday and the place was bustling.

    Went for a walk yesterday evening to Herbert Park and there was loads out. A Garda van was driving around the park but no interventions at all. Loads in threes and fours out kicking ball or just hanging out.

    Well I live on lower Baggot St and the first part of your post is a complete lie.

    It is quieter here than the quietest Sunday during the day, and practically deserted after business hours.

    Bear in mind that this is one of the busiest streets in the entire country during the working week, it is all about relativity in terms of analysing the effect of the restrictions.


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    #4414
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Relation of mine was taken away in an ambulance yesterday and tested positive for corona, seemingly he picked it up in Italy were he drives trucks, that's 4 cases in my town with 1 dead. A bit too close to home


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    #4415
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,433 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

    Any idea what country the reagent is manufactured in? Is there just one company producing the reagent?


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    #4416
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    I wouldn’t trust them to tell you the time of day not to mind test results.


    If we need more tests done quickly we should send some away if there is capacity somewhere else. Each batch could have known Positive/ negative control samples in them so that we could verify that those samples were correct. We could also send samples that have been split in to an A and B sample and then test our A sample when we have the capacity.This is what they do for drug tests for athletes.


    The regime for testing is broken at the moment and we need to face up to that, it is a vital part of the fight against the pandemic. Testing means that we know where to target our resources and it means that we can get vital health care workers back into the system quicker when we know they are negative.


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    #4417
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

    Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

    Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

    And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

    Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.

    How long should someone be symptom free before returning to normal?


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    #4418
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,199 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    obi604 wrote: »
    I see Tony Holohan is in hospital - for something unrelated to Corona

    Probably stress. Not surprised. Every day on the nations airwaves, high pressure stuff.

    Hope he gets well soon. The weeks of non stop work must be taking their toll. Not a day goes by that hes not doing interviews somewhere.


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    #4419
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

    Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

    Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

    And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

    Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.

    Question Martina. If you don't have a positive covid 19 test result, can you apply for government assistance? Many people will be tempted to keep working if they haven't got a test result.


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    #4420
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    This is why I have been highlighting it as the number in ICU will be less, possibly much less than the numbers quoted.

    They should be reporting the current figure but they are not.

    Why do you think this is ? Incompetence or something else?


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    #4421
    poppers
    Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭poppers


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Hope he gets well soon. The weeks of non stop work must be taking their toll. Not a day goes by that hes not doing interviews somewhere.

    Seen quotes on here yesterday that he held his chest and seemed to say he didnt feel well during the press conference


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    #4422
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,199 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    poppers wrote: »
    Seen quotes on here yesterday that he held his chest and seemed to say he didnt feel well during the press conference

    Yeah he did during the press conference.

    RTE reporting hes in for tests, expected to be released tomorrow and deputy cmo Ronan Glynn will head up this evenings press conference.

    Non covid related for the CMO they also say.


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    #4423
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Dr.Tony Holohan is in hospital for tests after feeling unwell although it is being stated that it is not thought to be directly related to the virus.


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    #4424
    Roger_007
    Registered Users Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Yep, they are not testing at all extensively, they don't have the capacity to, or the hospital beds for this, once it gets embedded in the community there they are in big trouble.

    Everyone is assuming that India and countries like it are going to be in big trouble. That not necessarily so. Many of the countries with poorly developed health systems tend to have much younger populations. It could be that they will be hit less hard than the more developed countries!


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    #4425
    poppers
    Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭poppers


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    These restrictions sound great on paper but I was on lower Baggot St. yesterday and the place was bustling.

    Went for a walk yesterday evening to Herbert Park and there was loads out. A Garda van was driving around the park but no interventions at all. Loads in threes and fours out kicking ball or just hanging out.

    So its ok for you to be out but everyone else should stay indoors


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    #4426
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,678 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    babybuilder wrote: »
    Not a hope

    I think there is every chance. There are two populations - those known to be infected and in hospital and those who are unknowns in lock-down. Anyone in lock-down who has the virus is very likely to pass it on to everyone else in the same household. If someone went into lock-down very soon after being infected, then worse case scenario is it won't present for 14 days, but realistically, the average is 4-5 days. So in a 4 person household, even with a very unlikely chain of infection from one person to another in sequence, 20 days would likely see it play out. A month is enough for the very unlikely scenario of a 14 day incubation then infection of another person where it again takes 14 days. So 28 days should cover it.

    Obviously anyone developing a serious case in the lock-down population would be transferred to the hospital population.

    So a month should allow for the lock-down to be lifted, but then you really would want to limit flights and have screening at airports and ferries. Schools could re-open, but realistically, you can scratch this year and might as well hold off until September and repeat the current year next year.


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    #4427
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    poppers wrote: »
    So its ok for you to be out but everyone should stay indoors

    We are all allowed out.


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    #4428
    nacho libre
    Registered Users Posts: 16,637 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    This is why I have been highlighting it as the number in ICU will be less, possibly much less than the numbers quoted.

    They should be reporting the current figure but they are not.

    Could it be the advice from their pr people is to be debliberately vague about whether it is the current total or the total from the start of the outbreak?


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    #4429
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,678 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    poppers wrote: »
    So its ok for you to be out but everyone else should stay indoors

    2km allowed for exercise, have you not heard?


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    #4430
    lbj666
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lbj666


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yeah he did during the press conference.

    RTE reporting hes in for tests, expected to be released tomorrow and deputy cmo Ronan Glynn will head up this evenings press conference.

    Non covid related for the CMO they also say.

    Lest no forget he was on the late late with tubs Friday before last, he's been bouncing around so much it wouldn't shock me.


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    #4431
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,072 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    easypazz wrote: »
    We are all allowed out.

    No, Over 70's and vulnerable people are asked not to go out


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    #4432
    podgeandrodge
    Registered Users Posts: 5,748 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Akrasia wrote: »
    That has to be the most irresponsible article I have seen in a very long time. Its trying to spread a rumour that will cause panic buying of alcohol and could cause crowding in shops that could end up costing lives.

    Utterly shameful

    Have to agree, when tensions are running high, this was highly irresponsible.


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    #4433
    poppers
    Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭poppers


    cnocbui wrote: »
    2km allowed for exercise, have you not heard?

    i have but why highlight that they met people when they were out as if it was an issue,


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    #4434
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    murpho999 wrote: »
    I really don't think it would have.

    Let's take Italy as an example.

    If Irish skiers (which I think is where a lot of infections here have come from) in Italy were denied flights home they would have traveled him via another route, such as Austria, France or Switzerland. They would not have simply stayed in Italy.

    These people probably went to Italy, caught the virus, and came home before even the first death in Italy.

    Trumps stopped European flights with little impact.

    The virus was already in the community here before any concerns about Italy or Spain were apparant.

    According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ the first case in the USA was Jan 20th. There was no action by Trump at the time, except to say it was a hoax.


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    #4435
    castletownman
    Registered Users Posts: 11,015 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Lest no forget he was on the late late with tubs Friday before last, he's been bouncing around so much it wouldn't shock me.

    I never understood the need to drag him around to every media commitment apart from the daily briefing. The man has enough on his plate as it is.


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    #4436
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,199 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Lest no forget he was on the late late with tubs Friday before last, he's been bouncing around so much it wouldn't shock me.

    Well last night he was signaling towards more of the chest area.
    They've said it's not covid related anyway.

    To be fair theres been alot of people around tubs, that night you mentioned for example they had figures from HSE, Gov and members of the ambulance service.


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    #4437
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,678 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Everyone is assuming that India and countries like it are going to be in big trouble. That not necessarily so. Many of the countries with poorly developed health systems tend to have much younger populations. It could be that they will be hit less hard than the more developed countries!

    I don't see that. Yes the population is younger on average but because of 1.3 billion people, or whatever it is, the sheer numbers of people likely to get it seriously and die are just huge - exceeding in number the entire populations of entire countries. The dead would number in the millions.


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    #4438
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Well I live on lower Baggot St and the first part of your post is a complete lie.

    It is quieter here than the quietest Sunday during the day, and practically deserted after business hours.

    Bear in mind that this is one of the busiest streets in the entire country during the working week, it is all about relativity in terms of analysing the effect of the restrictions.

    It is not a lie, I was there between 1-2pm yesterday and the place was bustling, I couldn't get over it.

    I was in the queue for Tesco, who in fairness to them are keeping strict distancing measures in place, and I had people walking by me every few seconds to the point that I felt uneasy.

    The bunching of Deliveroo drivers and people collecting orders outside the likes of Boojum and that didn't help matters either.

    It was far from a quiet Sunday anyway.


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    #4439
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    nacho libre wrote: »
    Could it be the advice from their pr people is to be debliberately vague about whether it is the current total or the total from the start of the outbreak?

    If their PR people are advising them to be deliberately vague then they should be sacked for incompetence.


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    #4440
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,199 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    castletownman wrote: »
    I never understood the need to drag him around to every media commitment apart from the daily briefing. The man has enough on his plate as it is.

    Likewise, even after the daily press conference rte tend to have him on the 9 news and he basically repeats himself, I dont know what else they expect him to say.

    Then by half 7 or 8 the next morning hes on morning Ireland. Between all of that and the work he has to do in the office and on the committees I dont know where he finds the time to sleep.

    He must be exhausted at this stage


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    #4441
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

    Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

    Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

    And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

    Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.


    How many test are they doing at the moment do you know?


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