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3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

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    #2072
    roundymac
    Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    Eh, Xmas is'nt that far away.


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    #2073
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    roundymac wrote: »
    Eh, Xmas is'nt that far away.

    Maybe Santa Claus might put a nice new frigate in the NS Christmas Stocking?


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    #2074
    mikeym
    Registered Users Posts: 3,984 ✭✭✭mikeym


    jonnybigwallet wrote: »
    Maybe Santa Claus might put a nice new frigate in the NS Christmas Stocking?

    They dont have the people to crew it.

    Its not the Royal Navy.


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    #2075
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,880 ✭✭✭sparky42


    mikeym wrote: »
    They dont have the people to crew it.

    Its not the Royal Navy.


    A reminder that even the RN still has manpower issues themselves, though the Type 45 issues kind of hides that.


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    #2076
    roadmaster
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    Between the Drydocking and the parking up of Eithne when she goes back to sea will she be fit to stay longer than expected with the navy?


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    #2077
    roundymac
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    It will be unlikely she'll ever go back to sea IMO.:(


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    #2078
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,880 ✭✭✭sparky42


    roundymac wrote: »
    It will be unlikely she'll ever go back to sea IMO.:(


    Good chance you are right, on the other hand we're still what 4-5 years from the EPV, though given the shortfall still happening as I said you're most likely right.


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    #2079
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    roundymac wrote: »
    It will be unlikely she'll ever go back to sea IMO.:(

    If the Libyans hear she is parked up they will get her back to Sea! Has that Libyan warlord actually used Aisling in combat yet? I taught seen on CNN something about a Libyan ship bombing a village?


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    #2080
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,880 ✭✭✭sparky42


    roadmaster wrote: »
    If the Libyans hear she is parked up they will get her back to Sea! Has that Libyan warlord actually used Aisling in combat yet? I taught seen on CNN something about a Libyan ship bombing a village?


    Don't know about that, but if she does end up in some other navy how ****ing annoying is it going to be if they restore her helo capabilities?


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    #2081
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    sparky42 wrote: »
    Don't know about that, but if she does end up in some other navy how ****ing annoying is it going to be if they restore her helo capabilities?

    Send it up to Belfast and weld in another 10 to 20 metre section into the hull and do a complete refit..new weapons etc. (Missiles). Sort out the helideck and convert it into a mini frigate on the cheap. More powerful engines and whatever is needed. Its been done before with older ships. That will be cheaper option than proposed replacement and faster as well. Time wise.


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    #2082
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    sparky42 wrote: »
    Don't know about that, but if she does end up in some other navy how ****ing annoying is it going to be if they restore her helo capabilities?

    An using Dauphins!


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    #2083
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,880 ✭✭✭sparky42


    jonnybigwallet wrote: »
    Send it up to Belfast and weld in another 10 to 20 metre section into the hull and do a complete refit..new weapons etc. (Missiles). Sort out the helideck and convert it into a mini frigate on the cheap. More powerful engines and whatever is needed. Its been done before with older ships. That will be cheaper option than proposed replacement and faster as well. Time wise.


    It's also insane and pointless.


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    #2084
    sparky42
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    roadmaster wrote: »
    An using Dauphins!


    Yep... That will hurt if we see it.


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    #2085
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    sparky42 wrote: »
    It's also insane and pointless.

    Ya might be right there Sparky...just tryin to think outside the box. Might be better to convert it into a museum ship and berth it next to Spike Island?
    Another possible way forward....I notice that the Italian Navy is gradually selling off and replacing some 30 year old frigates. They look pretty tasty; rather similar imo to the Arleigh Burke class. Probably get a reasonable deal on one and throw a 100 mill on a pukka refit. One of them would make a great flagship and they're probably in pretty good nick given they've spent a fair bit of their life cruisin around the pleasant waters of the Mediterranean. Anyway....It looks like the pay claim has been put to bed finally.Its the Maestrale class that are up for sale...bloody impressive and versatile ship. Armed to the teeth with missiles and a decent sized suite of guns as well as torpedoes. Just the ticket for keeping on top of things around the Irish territorial waters and beyond. And just to put the icing on the cake....they have a helideck into the bargain!
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    #2086
    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,529 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    Johnny my man, your hilarious, you have quite some plans for us controlling the north atlantic :D


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    #2087
    jonnybigwallet
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    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Johnny my man, your hilarious, you have quite some plans for us controlling the north atlantic :D

    And that's just for starters!


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    #2088
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,880 ✭✭✭sparky42


    jonnybigwallet wrote: »
    And that's just for starters!
    If 30 year old ships is just the start I'm concerned you're going to suggest building Battleships next.


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    #2089
    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,529 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    Build them? Why? Isn't HMS Belfast tied up at London bridge for years.

    Throw the Brits a few quid and haul her back to Cork. :pac:


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    #2090
    ohnonotgmail
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    sparky42 wrote: »
    If 30 year old ships is just the start I'm concerned you're going to suggest building Battleships next.
    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Build them? Why? Isn't HMS Belfast tied up at London bridge for years.

    Throw the Brits a few quid and haul her back to Cork. :pac:

    we've gone from OPVs to frigates to destroyers to cruisers to battleships. Feck it, we should buy an aircraft carrier. The russians probably have one going spare.


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    #2091
    Plumbthedepths
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    They should build AI units to operate the ships because they have a huge problem getting humans.


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    #2092
    Leonidas BL
    Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    we've gone from OPVs to frigates to destroyers to cruisers to battleships. Feck it, we should buy an aircraft carrier. The russians probably have one going spare.

    You forgot a few Ballistic nuclear submarines!!


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    #2093
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Leonidas BL wrote: »
    You forgot a few Ballistic nuclear submarines!!

    I was leavin that one on the bsck burner for now. Leo. Had me eye om s couple of them very capable German arrack subs. But its not first priority just now.


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    #2094
    sparky42
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    we've gone from OPVs to frigates to destroyers to cruisers to battleships. Feck it, we should buy an aircraft carrier. The russians probably have one going spare.


    Yes and No, they do but it might still have a hole in it after the sank the drydock it was in at the time. Also it needs a tug to follow it around all the time.


    That being said back in the day on P.ie I did see someone suggesting we buy the 2 Mistrals that were for Russia...


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    #2095
    jonnybigwallet
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    Nice bit of kit that mistral. Maybe a bit overkill in terms of the air wing it can accomodate.


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    #2096
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    I see the RN is phasing out the type 23 frigates gradually with the first one coming on the market in 2023. Looks like a very capable multirole ship on foot of extra stuff added over the years. I reckon that would be a good replacement for the Eithne and probably get a good deal on it. The Chilean navy bought 3 of them second hand a few years back.


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    #2097
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    jonnybigwallet wrote: »
    I see the RN is phasing out the type 23 frigates gradually with the first one coming on the market in 2023. Looks like a very capable multirole ship on foot of extra stuff added over the years. I reckon that would be a good replacement for the Eithne and probably get a good deal on it. The Chilean navy bought 3 of them second hand a few years back.

    I think you will need a bigger wallet. The running costs for one of those would be similar to the rest of fleet put together.


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    #2098
    Leonidas BL
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    Widdensushi wrote: »
    I think you will need a bigger wallet. The running costs for one of those would be similar to the rest of fleet put together.

    Not only that, they are probably older than the ship being replaced.


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    #2099
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,880 ✭✭✭sparky42


    jonnybigwallet wrote: »
    I see the RN is phasing out the type 23 frigates gradually with the first one coming on the market in 2023. Looks like a very capable multirole ship on foot of extra stuff added over the years. I reckon that would be a good replacement for the Eithne and probably get a good deal on it. The Chilean navy bought 3 of them second hand a few years back.


    By the time the 23's are decommissioned they will be utterly shagged to death. They were meant to have been replaced over a decade ago with a design life of less than 20 years.


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    #2100
    sparky42
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    Leonidas BL wrote: »
    Not only that, they are probably older than the ship being replaced.


    Nah the 23's are much younger than the Eithne, on the otherhand as I just said the RN built them with only a 20 year lifespan, they were meant to have already been replaced by now.


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    #2101
    Leonidas BL
    Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    I think you will need a bigger wallet. The running costs for one of those would be similar to the rest of fleet put together.
    sparky42 wrote: »
    Nah the 23's are much younger than the Eithne, on the otherhand as I just said the RN built them with only a 20 year lifespan, they were meant to have already been replaced by now.

    Not by much id say.


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