Landlord packed our stuff up and threw it out

FVP3 · 12-05-2020 10:21am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The landlord may have agreed to deffer the rent but they paid 1900 for april, thats 400 in arrears that carry over into may, on may 1st theyre 2700 in arrears and in arrears for 30 days

He agreed to reduce the rent and presumably they have that in writing. So they are not in arrears. Not that it matters given the new laws on eviction.

Holding onto deposits should in my view be a criminal offense, not just a civil one. So should entering a property and seizing other people's property. He. now has that property.

This guy is hoping to get effectively two months rent and then start to rent again. Amazing the support for spivs here.

( And I am aware that renters can make life hell for Landlords too but that is not this, is it?).

elefant · 12-05-2020 10:32am

bucketybuck wrote: »

Maybe the OP could clarify what he meant by all tenants being unable to pay their rent in May but then having no issues going forward? What was different about May?

Why should he clarify this? It's completely immaterial.

Eric Cartman · 12-05-2020 10:49am

Dylan94 wrote: »

Where does it say the landlord agreed to deffer the rent? They clearly said that the LL agreed to reduce the rent for the duration of the lockdown.

FVP3 wrote: »

He agreed to reduce the rent and presumably they have that in writing. So they are not in arrears. Not that it matters given the new laws on eviction.

Holding onto deposits should in my view be a criminal offense, not just a civil one. So should entering a property and seizing other people's property. He. now has that property.

This guy is hoping to get effectively two months rent and then start to rent again. Amazing the support for spivs here.

( And I am aware that renters can make life hell for Landlords too but that is not this, is it?).

I would be shocked if this landlord put it in writing or they had anything to that effect. If they don't have it in writing and "we can only pay you 1900 this month" and the landlord going 'Ok' is not a confirmed rent reduction , then they were 37 days in arrears when they were evicted.

If the rent was all paid on 1st of may 1 doubt any of this would happen. They'd only be 800 in arrears of 0 days on may 1st if it was paid on time.

Also by all government metrics to do with covid and evictions, this was not their home, so it wasn't 'illegal' to do this during lockdown. Similar to the people now in their holiday homes etc.. they're home was with their parents.

bucketybuck · 12-05-2020 10:53am

elefant wrote: »

Why should he clarify this? It's completely immaterial.

Getting the full story is never immaterial.

FVP3 · 12-05-2020 10:58am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I would be shocked if this landlord put it in writing or they had anything to that effect.

Of course they probably got confirmation about that.

If they don't have it in writing and "we can only pay you 1900 this month" and the landlord going 'Ok' is not a confirmed rent reduction , then they were 37 days in arrears when they were evicted.

But it doesn't really matter even if that is true that the rent wasn't paid in full, the landlord would have to have gone through procedures even in normal times. He was obliged to send them a letter saying they were in arrears. Then follow normal procedures, given that he didn't do that in April or May.
In covid times they cant be evicted anyway so thats moot.

In any case you are making u your own story here. And even then you are wrong.

If the rent was all paid on 1st of may 1 doubt any of this would happen.

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle, (or still my aunt if she was trans I suppose.)

What might have happened is irrelevant.

FVP3 · 12-05-2020 11:00am

bucketybuck wrote: »

Getting the full story is never immaterial.

That's true, as we dont know colour of the paint on the walls in the second bedroom we cant continue to discuss this.

Eric Cartman · 12-05-2020 11:00am

FVP3 wrote: »

Of course they probably got confirmation about that.

But it doesn't really matter even if that is true that the rent wasn't paid in full, the landlord would have to have gone through procedures even in normal times. He was obliged to send them a letter saying they were in arrears. Then follow normal procedures, given that he didn't do that in April or May.
In covid times they cant be evicted anyway so thats moot.

In any case you are making u your own story here. And even then you are wrong.

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle, (or still my aunt if she was trans I suppose.)

What might have happened is irrelevant.

A yes, comparing your contractual obligation to pay a specified amount of rent on a specified day is definitely related to an old proverb about your aunt having a sex change...

Ballso · 12-05-2020 11:06am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

A yes, comparing your contractual obligation to pay a specified amount of rent on a specified day is definitely related to an old proverb about your aunt having a sex change...

What are you waffling on about, the law is perfectly clear here.

FVP3 · 12-05-2020 11:09am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

A yes, comparing your contractual obligation to pay a specified amount of rent on a specified day is definitely related to an old proverb about your aunt having a sex change...

You took one thing from my post, which was an aside and not related to the main point. Go back and answer the rest of it.

Eric Cartman · 12-05-2020 11:09am

Ballso wrote: »

What are you waffling on about, the law is perfectly clear here.

yes it is, tenants abandoned a property for 52 days, were in rent arrears for 37 and the only contact between mid march and now was a single text message sent explaining that they wouldn't be paying mays rent on time.

bucketybuck · 12-05-2020 11:16am

FVP3 wrote: »

That's true, as we dont know colour of the paint on the walls in the second bedroom we cant continue to discuss this.

:rolleyes:

Ballso · 12-05-2020 11:16am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes it is, tenants abandoned a property for 52 days, were in rent arrears for 37 and the only contact between mid march and now was a single text message sent explaining that they wouldn't be paying mays rent on time.

Even if you hadn't just made most of that up (why?), show us the section of the RTA which allows the landlord to ignore the standard process to recover the property

FVP3 · 12-05-2020 11:17am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes it is, tenants abandoned a property for 52 days,

They didn't abandon it. They kept paying rent. Their possessions were there.

were in rent arrears for 37

They weren't.

and the only contact between mid march and now was a single text message sent explaining that they wouldn't be paying mays rent on time.

That's not true either.

FVP3 · 12-05-2020 11:20am

Here is the law on abandonment

The landlord cannot end the tenancy and re-let the property without a possession order, which takes time to obtain and will require proper proof that the he has left. Tenant rights mean that landlords cannot even enter the property immediately to check that it is abandoned, except in emergency circumstances (outlined below).

and

Checking if the property is abandoned
As a landlord, if you think the property has been abandoned, you should first attempt to contact the tenant. Ask the tenant for written confirmation that they’re returning possession of the property to you, and to return the keys. Once you received this confirmation you can go into the property immediately.

If, after repeated attempts, you cannot reach the tenant, you can investigate further. The property can only be considered abandoned if the rent is overdue and there are reasonable grounds to believe that it is abandoned.

The following are clear and accepted indicators of it:

non-payment of rent,
the property keys have been left behind, and
the tenant’s possessions have been removed from the property.

LeineGlas · 12-05-2020 11:21am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No, it isn't and no, it hasn't 'literally' been stolen. It's a case for a phonecall. People can still resolve issues themselves. Gardai don't need to baby people in every circumstance.

The landlord has no intention of depriving the owner of their property. If he refused to give it back or made it unreachable then yes but I don't believe that's the case here.

Yes it has.

Gardaí absolutely need to be involved. Theft of property is illegal.

Treppen · 12-05-2020 11:27am

FVP3 wrote: »

Here is the law on abandonment

The landlord cannot end the tenancy and re-let the property without a possession order, which takes time to obtain and will require proper proof that the he has left. Tenant rights mean that landlords cannot even enter the property immediately to check that it is abandoned, except in emergency circumstances (outlined below).

and

Checking if the property is abandoned
As a landlord, if you think the property has been abandoned, you should first attempt to contact the tenant. Ask the tenant for written confirmation that they’re returning possession of the property to you, and to return the keys. Once you received this confirmation you can go into the property immediately.

If, after repeated attempts, you cannot reach the tenant, you can investigate further. The property can only be considered abandoned if the rent is overdue and there are reasonable grounds to believe that it is abandoned.

The following are clear and accepted indicators of it:

non-payment of rent,
the property keys have been left behind, and
the tenant’s possessions have been removed from the property.

and the Covid-19 Emergency Legislation for the Rental Sector
https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/covid-19-emergency-legislation-for-rental-sector/

"No one can be made to leave their accommodation (other than in limited and exceptional circumstances where a breach of tenant obligations takes place and an RTB Determination Order is sourced through the dispute resolution process)."

Also

"Please be aware that carrying out an illegal eviction, which includes prohibiting access to the property or making the property uninhabitable by disconnecting services, can result in damages of up to €20,000 being awarded to the tenant. The RTB can seek an injunction from the Courts to reinstate the tenant and will continue to prioritise these cases during the emergency period."

elefant · 12-05-2020 11:28am

bucketybuck wrote: »

Getting the full story is never immaterial.

It's absolutely immaterial when it make no difference to the outcome. The reason they were late with their payment is totally irrelevant.

Even if they'd secretly agreed between themselves that they were going to string the landlord along and never pay him a cent again, he'd still have been wrong to go into their house, take all their belongings and tell them he's holding their deposits.

Ballso · 12-05-2020 11:39am

LeineGlas wrote: »

Yes it has.

Gardaí absolutely need to be involved. Theft of property is illegal.

Only in the world of the amateur Irish landlord is entering a property without permission, loading thousands of euros worth of property into a van and driving it to a lockup not theft and not illegal. What a nightmare having to deal with these people in the rental sector.

Claw Hammer · 12-05-2020 11:50am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No. It falls under tort (contract law) and is for the civil courts, Ptb and solicitors to deal with

Tort and contract are distinct causes of action. Tort is not contract and contract is not tort.

steddyeddy · 12-05-2020 11:55am

ted1 wrote: »

He legally can’t move back tilll at least July 20th.

Well they have the landlord over a barrel here. He acted illegally in evicting them and bordering on illegally going through their stuff.

He would have to be careful accusing them of "illegally back in to their residence.

steddyeddy · 12-05-2020 12:22pm

I haven't lived in Ireland for over five years but it's scary how many Irish landlords think it's acceptable to illegally remove people's belongings from their place of residence.

Claw Hammer · 12-05-2020 12:24pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

I haven't lived in Ireland for over five years but it's scary how many Irish landlords think it's acceptable to illegally remove people's belongings from their place of residence.

It is even scarier how many tenants think it is acceptable to enter a contract and then ignore the terms.

steddyeddy · 12-05-2020 12:27pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

It is even scarier how many tenants think it is acceptable to enter a contract and then ignore the terms.

Both are scary but that's just whataboutery and not applicable to what I said.

Claw Hammer · 12-05-2020 12:34pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Both are scary but that's just whataboutery and not applicable to what I said.

I don't understand this remark. There are 2 parties to a contract. If both ignore the terms only 1 is to be condemned?

bucketybuck · 12-05-2020 12:52pm

elefant wrote: »

It's absolutely immaterial when it make no difference to the outcome. The reason they were late with their payment is totally irrelevant.

Even if they'd secretly agreed between themselves that they were going to string the landlord along and never pay him a cent again, he'd still have been wrong to go into their house, take all their belongings and tell them he's holding their deposits.

I asked a question of the OP so I don't know why I am even replying to you, but regardless...

The OP offered the information that he was late/didn't pay rent in May, and then stated that the issue was only with May and that the rent would have been paid on time in June.

He offered that information, he must have considered it relevant. What you think is irrelevant.

Deebles McBeebles · 12-05-2020 1:25pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Its clear he has taken a gamble here, hoping that all the circumstances of the current crisis will distract you or anyone from going after him for breaking the law, which is has done wilfully.

Prove him wrong.

Exactly. Chancing his arm. Keep the deposit, probably up the rent beyond 4% for the next tenants. Make an example of him so others don't have to put up with it.

Best of luck, OP, not that you need it. Let us know where you go with the money you're about to come into.

FVP3 · 12-05-2020 1:31pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

I don't understand this remark. There are 2 parties to a contract. If both ignore the terms only 1 is to be condemned?

I doubt if the contract said if they were 7 days late on payment the landlord can take the deposit, break into the house, and steal their property, but if it did say that it was an illegal contract.

steddyeddy · 12-05-2020 1:36pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

I don't understand this remark. There are 2 parties to a contract. If both ignore the terms only 1 is to be condemned?

What part did the tenants ignore?

Claw Hammer · 12-05-2020 1:38pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

What part did the tenants ignore?

Paying the rent on time or at all.

Claw Hammer · 12-05-2020 1:39pm

FVP3 wrote: »

I doubt if the contract said if they were 7 days late on payment the landlord can take the deposit, break into the house, and steal their property, but if it did say that it was an illegal contract.

So what. Two wrongs don't make a right.

GreeBo · 12-05-2020 1:40pm

ted1 wrote: »

Not eviction, if the tenant abandons

According to section 37. of the Residential Tenancies Act :

Part 4 tenancy shall be deemed to have been terminated by the tenant on his or her vacating the dwelling if

(a) before or on or about that vacating, he or she serves a notice of termination in respect of the tenancy that does not give the required period of notice, and

(b) before or on that vacating the rent has fallen into arrears.

A Part 4 tenancy shall also be deemed to have been terminated by the tenant upon any rent owed by him or her being in arrears for a period of 28 days or more if

(a) whether before or after the end of that period, the tenant has vacated the dwelling, and

(b) no notice of termination has been served by the tenant in respect of the tenancy.

*

Leaving your house isnt vacating it Ted.

GreeBo · 12-05-2020 1:41pm

ted1 wrote: »

A tenant hasn’t been seen since for 30+ days and rent hasn’t being paid. ( exceeds limit in lease)

Landlord assumes they have abandoned property so kindly puts belongings in storage incase they reappear.

Op have you contacted the landlord ?

No body has been seen, you may have heard of this covid-19 thing?

FVP3 · 12-05-2020 1:45pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

So what. Two wrongs don't make a right.

One "wrong" - theft, breaking and entering, and stealing property is worse than the other wrong. A late payment may be in fact a violation of contract but it forces the landlord to respond in a certain legal way.

Terrifying stuff here.

I mean I have been an accidental landlord, my sister is a landlord who has had problem tenants. I understand the issues with tenants.

But this is clearly illegal. It amazing that this action has support.

( It would be like if tenants justified somebody trashing the place because some landlords are pricks.)

Claw Hammer · 12-05-2020 2:05pm

FVP3 wrote: »

One "wrong" - theft, breaking and entering, and stealing property is worse than the other wrong. A late payment may be in fact a violation of contract but it forces the landlord to respond in a certain legal way.

Terrifying stuff here.

I mean I have been an accidental landlord, my sister is a landlord who has had problem tenants. I understand the issues with tenants.

But this is clearly illegal. It amazing that this action has support.

( It would be like if tenants justified somebody trashing the place because some landlords are pricks.)

So it is alright for one party to a contract to do something wrong provided the other party does something worse?

Eric Cartman · 12-05-2020 2:23pm

FVP3 wrote: »

I doubt if the contract said if they were 7 days late on payment the landlord can take the deposit, break into the house, and steal their property, but if it did say that it was an illegal contract.

37 days in arrears. Unless the tenants have a written contract for a reduction in rent , tyey are 37 days in arrears.

Eric Cartman · 12-05-2020 2:30pm

FVP3 wrote: »

Here is the law on abandonment

The landlord cannot end the tenancy and re-let the property without a possession order, which takes time to obtain and will require proper proof that the he has left. Tenant rights mean that landlords cannot even enter the property immediately to check that it is abandoned, except in emergency circumstances (outlined below).

and

Checking if the property is abandoned
As a landlord, if you think the property has been abandoned, you should first attempt to contact the tenant. Ask the tenant for written confirmation that they’re returning possession of the property to you, and to return the keys. Once you received this confirmation you can go into the property immediately.

If, after repeated attempts, you cannot reach the tenant, you can investigate further. The property can only be considered abandoned if the rent is overdue and there are reasonable grounds to believe that it is abandoned.

The following are clear and accepted indicators of it:

non-payment of rent,
the property keys have been left behind, and
the tenant’s possessions have been removed from the property.

So op and a bunch of students go home for covid, reasonable assumption is that they all probably took laptops, most of their clothes, phone chargers, etc.. whats left behind is 1 desktop computer the op owns, and sundry items from them and the other 3 tenants,

Theres no wallets, phones, passports , birth certs or other things you usially keep in your primary dwelling. At what point does the threshold for personal goods get reached, Ive cleared houses where they have been abandoned and you get stereos, clothes, food , childrens toys etc.. left. Its the hardest thing to call and helps nobody to say there were or were not enough contents to jusitfy habitation.

We only have the OP’s perspective on this, if one of the other 3 lads or all the other 3 were called or texted multiple times and never replied / answered and as above theres 37 days arrears plus essential personel affects and clothes removed then the landlord has a damn reasonable abandonment case.

Ballso · 12-05-2020 2:35pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

So op and a bunch of students go home for covid, reasonable assumption is that they all probably took laptops, most of their clothes, phone chargers, etc.. whats left behind is 1 desktop computer the op owns, and sundry items from them and the other 3 tenants,

Theres no wallets, phones, passports , birth certs or other things you usially keep in your primary dwelling. At what point does the threshold for personal goods get reached, Ive cleared houses where they have been abandoned and you get stereos, clothes, food , childrens toys etc.. left. Its the hardest thing to call and helps nobody to say there were or were not enough contents to jusitfy habitation.

We only have the OP’s perspective on this, if one of the other 3 lads or all the other 3 were called or texted multiple times and never replied / answered and as above theres 37 days arrears plus essential personel affects and clothes removed then the landlord has a damn reasonable abandonment case.

Utter drivel from an utter gob****e. The law is perfectly clear on this. Your stupid commentary on wallets is irrelevant.

Graham · 12-05-2020 2:38pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

So it is alright for one party to a contract to do something wrong provided the other party does something worse?

Can you point out the "they started it" clause in the Residential Tenancies Act>

Eric Cartman wrote: »

37 days in arrears. Unless the tenants have a written contract for a reduction in rent , tyey are 37 days in arrears.

Even if that were the case, there's SFA can be done about it while the emergency legislation is in place.

ted1 · 12-05-2020 2:59pm

So any update on how the op got on when he had a conversation? Is he moving back on the 20th July ? Renewing lease for another year ? Was he evicted ? Where things stored for safety as house had no insurance ?

ted1 · 12-05-2020 3:01pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Leaving your house isnt vacating it Ted.

What is it ? I had a tenant do it before , only found it she moved when her neighbour said it to me.

Only realised she was still getting a cheque from the council several months later when the council asked how I had two sets of tenants, who were both getting cheques for rent. She had moved back home and was pocketing the rent cheque

Treppen · 12-05-2020 3:17pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

I don't understand this remark. There are 2 parties to a contract. If both ignore the terms only 1 is to be condemned?

The contract would be superseded by the new covid-19 legislation

Grumpypants · 12-05-2020 3:36pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The landlord may have agreed to deffer the rent but they paid 1900 for april, thats 400 in arrears that carry over into may, on may 1st theyre 2700 in arrears and in arrears for 30 days

Still doesn't matter, even at a stretch (if you took the agreed reduction as rent arrears). He didn't serve them the 14 day notice, he didn't serve them notice of eviction, he didn't give them the full 90 days notice.

He entered their home unlawfully, took their professions and moved them to another location, and evicted them unlawfully.

None of that is allowed.

OP needs to get onto the RTB and lodge a complaint. Get the ball rolling on a nice little cash settlement. Maybe they can use the 5-20K to rent a nicer place for the next year.

the_syco · 12-05-2020 5:02pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

You’ve basically just made up a story. Basically calling the OP a liar just because they’re the OP, in long standing boards tradition, lends zero credibility either.

A long standing tradition is to call the OP out if details are in question.

FVP3 wrote: »

He agreed to reduce the rent and presumably they have that in writing. So they are not in arrears. Not that it matters given the new laws on eviction.

If evictions notices are only legit if on paper, would said decrease only be legit if it's on paper? Also, would said decrease, if on paper, be considered a rent review in which the LL can't increase for another 2 years if in an RPZ?

Treppen wrote: »

and the Covid-19 Emergency Legislation for the Rental Sector
https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/covid-19-emergency-legislation-for-rental-sector/

"No one can be made to leave their accommodation (other than in limited and exceptional circumstances where a breach of tenant obligations takes place and an RTB Determination Order is sourced through the dispute resolution process)."

The OP had left the accommodation by their own free will.

Treppen wrote: »

Also

"Please be aware that carrying out an illegal eviction, which includes prohibiting access to the property or making the property uninhabitable by disconnecting services, can result in damages of up to €20,000 being awarded to the tenant. The RTB can seek an injunction from the Courts to reinstate the tenant and will continue to prioritise these cases during the emergency period."

Unless the LL changed locks, they haven't prohibited the OP access.

FVP3 wrote: »

One "wrong" - theft, breaking and entering, and stealing property is worse than the other wrong. A late payment may be in fact a violation of contract but it forces the landlord to respond in a certain legal way.

I agree that the LL was wrong to remove the stuff, but I find it curious that the OP only paid up after the LL moved their stuff.

expertrhino wrote: »

On the 27th of April we sent him a message that the rent would be a bit late for may (first time rent has been late) and he ignored the message. On the 7th of may just before we were going to spend him the rent, he sent us one

This is the curious part. After the LL gave the OP & co a reduction in rent, the OP then says that rent will be late. Did the OP say how long the rent would be late by?

expertrhino wrote: »

I made it clear in the message I sent him on the 29th that we would be going back when the lockdown was lifted/ work restarted which I told him would be this month.

I wonder did the OP "make it clear" when the OP & co would be paying the rent next?

pablo128 · 12-05-2020 5:09pm

the_syco wrote: »

A long standing tradition is to call the OP out if details are in question.

If evictions notices are only legit if on paper, would said decrease only be legit if it's on paper? Also, would said decrease, if on paper, be considered a rent review in which the LL can't increase for another 2 years if in an RPZ?

The OP had left the accommodation by their own free will.

Unless the LL changed locks, they haven't prohibited the OP access.

I agree that the LL was wrong to remove the stuff, but I find it curious that the OP only paid up after the LL moved their stuff.

This is the curious part. After the LL gave the OP & co a reduction in rent, the OP then says that rent will be late. Did the OP say how long the rent would be late by?

I wonder did the OP "make it clear" when the OP & co would be paying the rent next?

In case you didn't notice, there's a worldwide pandemic on. Millions out of work. There's thousands of tenants in Ireland let alone the rest of the world are going to be late with rent, if they have it at all. Do they all get evicted after a week late with the rent?

the_syco · 12-05-2020 5:47pm

pablo128 wrote: »

In case you didn't notice, there's a worldwide pandemic on. Millions out of work. There's thousands of tenants in Ireland let alone the rest of the world are going to be late with rent, if they have it at all. Do they all get evicted after a week late with the rent?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/fears-over-swell-in-evictions-due-to-rent-arrears-after-covid-crisis-1.4249907

Housing charity Threshold has warned of a “swell” in tenants facing eviction notices after the coronavirus crisis on the back of mounting rent arrears.

The charity said that if rent supplements were not provided quickly and efficiently there was a risk of rent arrears accruing and “the risk of homelessness becomes real once the emergency period ends”.

Should OP lodge a complaint, they may not hear back from quite some time. Unless the government steps in, I fear that a lot of people will be homeless.

GreeBo · 12-05-2020 6:54pm

ted1 wrote: »

What is it ? I had a tenant do it before , only found it she moved when her neighbour said it to me.

Only realised she was still getting a cheque from the council several months later when the council asked how I had two sets of tenants, who were both getting cheques for rent. She had moved back home and was pocketing the rent cheque

What do you do when your tenant goes on holidays? Break in?

Had your tenant left all her possessions in your property?

jim salter · 12-05-2020 7:30pm

JustAThought wrote: »

There is also the question of the breech of contract on behalf of the OP - and the other 3 students. The LL is well within his rights to take a counter case for breech of contract and by the sounds of it could easily win. No visa to Austrlia, No J1 to America, to tripping around far east asia or Thailand - and doors shut to workng in entire industries for the rest of you life. A big price for not paying your rent but if you play with fore and f people over when they have been accommodating with you, you can expect trouble.

As for the deposit and the house was
there any damage to it? How much was owing on the bills - are they all up to date? I guess the ll will also have to pay someone to take out and dispose of those extra bunk beds you wanted to put in to keep the rent low for yourself. Assuming the OP had not moved in additional people without his knowledge also or done any damage to the house.

As for the covid 19 payment which I imagine could leave a full time student better off than if they worked - if you have negotiated a rent increase because you could not pay it, but then availed of a government benefit/handout that paid you at least 1,200 a month and yet still disn’t pay the rent I would also be bringing this up in both a breech of contract case and to the PRTB. Along with the rent reduction and non payment and then dissapppearance, It presents a very different picture. How much was owing on the bills?

The biggest load of fantastical shïte I have ever read, go back to reading the Dandy

mikemac2 · 12-05-2020 7:41pm

JustAThought wrote: »

As for the covid 19 payment which I imagine could leave a full time student better off than if they worked - if you have negotiated a rent increase because you could not pay it, but then availed of a government benefit/handout that paid you at least 1,200 a month and yet still disn’t pay the rent I would also be bringing this up in both a breech of contract case and to the PRTB.

The OP and housemates negotiated a rent decrease

Calling it a handout is a bit sneering. There are certain to be people you know in your life who are on that payment. Tell them are getting a government handout

steddyeddy · 12-05-2020 9:21pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

Paying the rent on time or at all.

Can I ask what countries have you lived in before Ireland? The rental legislation you seem familiar with seem more in line with Victorian England.

Being 7 days late with rent and communicating that to the landlord doesn't negate your personal rights. The landlord has to give prior permission before entering your residence, has to contact you if he suspects you've abandoned the property and under no circumstance is he allowed to remove your belongings from your residence at a whim!

People on this forum wonder why landlords get a bad name. It's because we've all encountered landlords with views like this.

I suggest people travel abroad and rent to see how amateur the situation can be in Ireland.

steddyeddy · 12-05-2020 9:24pm

So ladies and gentleman there we have it. The Irish rental situation summed up by:

break into the house, and steal their property

Claw Hammer wrote: »

So what. Two wrongs don't make a right.

What mentality are we dealing with when break ins and theft are met with "so what".

Landlord packed our stuff up and threw it out

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