Nvidia RTX Discussion

cromelex · 03-12-2020 3:02pm

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LN110436 - Zotac NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 8GB Trinity Ampere Graphics Card
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This is taking ages. Hope they get it before new year or I'll have to cancel with the whole brexit thing...

Tony H · 03-12-2020 3:14pm

Shpongler wrote: »

Thanks for the heads up! Just got one there.

got a notification from DPD , we will deliver your order on the 7th , roll on Monday .:D

Squidgy Black · 03-12-2020 3:58pm

cromelex wrote: »

Thank you for your custom. We're writing to give you an update on your pre-order:

LN110436 - Zotac NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 8GB Trinity Ampere Graphics Card
Your current queue position is 2. We are working hard with our suppliers and partners to get an estimated arrival date, please watch your email for further updates.

This is taking ages. Hope they get it before new year or I'll have to cancel with the whole brexit thing...

Because you placed the order this year and paid for it, well before the deadline, all you'd have to do would be show the receipt/invoice to customs or whoever and there won't be any VAT etc

harmless · 03-12-2020 4:12pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Because you placed the order this year and paid for it, well before the deadline, all you'd have to do would be show the receipt/invoice to customs or whoever and there won't be any VAT etc

I'd be more concerned about shipping time from the UK in January

K.O.Kiki · 03-12-2020 8:50pm

Elara have notifications for PNY models.

30'70
30'80

No stock until March/February respectively.

Mucashinto · 03-12-2020 10:17pm

Very positive review of the 3060ti from digital foundry.

https://youtu.be/JfASASNLgIk

I can see why some reviewers wouldn't be that interested in it, although I still think Gamers Nexus 'meh' was a bad take imo, but the Hardware Unboxed one was weird. He says he doesn't consider it ray tracing card because FPS is too low but it beats the 2080 Super - near 60fps (er make that 40fps, but still only 10% behind 3070) at 1440p Ultra in Control with DLSS off in this video. So he's saying the 2080 Super isn't a ray tracing card then either? Seems way too harsh for me and pointless to review a card for what it isn't anyway imo. It also isn't €800. If the price/perf of this card was matched by the others up the stack they would either be cheaper or better surely.

Pangea · 04-12-2020 1:21am

https://twitter.com/Newegg/status/1334647866111848450?s=19

Restock alert

Samuel T. Cogley · 04-12-2020 10:08am

Mucashinto wrote: »

Very positive review of the 3060ti from digital foundry.

https://youtu.be/JfASASNLgIk

I can see why some reviewers wouldn't be that interested in it, although I still think Gamers Nexus 'meh' was a bad take imo, but the Hardware Unboxed one was weird. He says he doesn't consider it ray tracing card because FPS is too low but it beats the 2080 Super - near 60fps (er make that 40fps, but still only 10% behind 3070) at 1440p Ultra in Control with DLSS off in this video. So he's saying the 2080 Super isn't a ray tracing card then either? Seems way too harsh for me and pointless to review a card for what it isn't anyway imo. It also isn't €800. If the price/perf of this card was matched by the others up the stack they would either be cheaper or better surely.

I like HWUB's content but he wears his heart on his sleeve in regards to his own biases. Also a bit of a wind bag - how the tashed one doesn't punch him during their Q&A's is beyond me.

All that said I watch him and Tech Jesus for all the new release goodies.

slade_x · 04-12-2020 7:10pm

slade_x wrote: »

Another update just now, Might as well consolidate them

02/10/2020 queue position 65
14/10/2020 queue position 62
23/10/2020 queue position 60
30/10/2020 queue position 55
06/11/2020 queue position 51
13/11/2020 queue position 45
20/11/2020 queue position 42
27/11/2020 queue position 40

04/12/2020 queue position 38

AAAAAny day now :rolleyes::(

Tony H · 05-12-2020 10:22am

harmless wrote: »

I'm trying to figure out if it's part of the faulty batch of Gigabyte cards.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/3080-3090-3070-gigabyte-eagle-gaming-oc-vision-power-connector-concerns.18900176/

nope its the new batch 2045 is the first 4 numbers of serial number,

2039 and above is the new connector

:D:D,

arrived this morning with DPD .

Nedved85 · 05-12-2020 10:46am

Tony H wrote: »

nope its the new batch 2045 is the first 4 numbers of serial number,

2039 and above is the new connector :D:D,

arrived this morning with DPD .

I bought the 3080 version of this card from Amazon,must check.

Homelander · 05-12-2020 1:48pm

My Curry's Gigabyte RTX3070 just arrived as well. God bless whoever posted that a page or two back, seriously.

Can now cancel my RTX3070 with OCUK after five weeks waiting, and wait and see what happens with my missing Fastway RX6800.

Mucashinto · 05-12-2020 2:56pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I like HWUB's content but he wears his heart on his sleeve in regards to his own biases. Also a bit of a wind bag - how the tashed one doesn't punch him during their Q&A's is beyond me.

All that said I watch him and Tech Jesus for all the new release goodies.

I watched his review again there, as I skipped to the end the first time, and in fairness he isn't that negative about it. I didn't know the 5700xt was such a strong card tbh - this beats it by 20-odd percent which he says is okay and I suppose you would be expecting the 6700xt to make big gains so I can see why the jury is out until AMD show their hand.

The thing is the 6800 is only 25% better than the 3060ti at $580 so how much room do AMD have for the 6700s. They'll have 12gb of RAM I guess but acceptable ray tracing is a no surely. Either way, if stock settles March/April next year could be a brilliant time to buy a GPU, best in years.

Still going to try and get one of these at a good price if I can though as it fits my needs nicely but I'm beginning to realise my keyboard skills aren't what I thought, getting annihalted here :rolleyes:

harmless · 06-12-2020 3:38am

A bit off topic but I can see serious issue with stock on the 3060ti and probably other cards because of mining.

The 3090 and 3080 use way too much power but the 3060ti can be undervolted to 130 watts and mines at a rate of 60 Mh/s
For comparison an undervolted 2070 super at 140 watts = 43 Mh/s and a 5700 XT at 140 watts = 50 Mh/s

So if I were to move my PC to China and filled all 6 PCI-e slots(PCI-e x 4 is enough for mining) with 3060ti's
this is what it would look like. (power usage includes system power as well as what the 6 cards draw)

It would be $210 a month profit with Irish electricity prices and that could tempt people in Europe to try mining.

When there is money to be made there will be corruption so getting the cards for those with the right connections will not be such a challenge.

Low stock levels just means the risk is offset because you can sell the cards easily and for a high price second hand if Etherium becomes more difficult to mine or the price of the coin drops.

Mucashinto · 06-12-2020 4:02am

harmless wrote: »

A bit off topic but I can see serious issue with stock on the 3060ti and probably other cards because of mining.

The weird thing though is the prices they're popping up at atm aren't actually too bad. Been following part alert on twitter and the odd scalper Amazon link aside the prices can be largely fine. It's just they're literally 1 card being sold. It's f*cking mad. I finally ignored the thing last night for a while and 11 gigabyte OCs turned up and a load of people in the replies with 'got one'.

Then this evening mind factory had a massive drop. Said >5 in stock for all of them and they were available for ages. A definite premium over MSRP, and the desirable ones going a lot quicker, but still plenty most would be happy enough with and actually a lot lower than things like 2070 Supers are going for. It really seems the supply is absolutely terrible, but maybe that is because miners are getting them first. PITA.

K.O.Kiki · 06-12-2020 4:09am

The dumb part is, that's profit per month UNTIL EVERYONE IS DOING IT and then the profit drops like a stone.
But the damage will have already been done.

Drewgerger · 06-12-2020 6:53am

Most mining is done with aisc mining machines

https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/mining/hardware/

harmless · 06-12-2020 3:33pm

Drewgerger wrote: »

Most mining is done with aisc mining machines

https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/mining/hardware/

Of course and it's impossible to mine bitcom for profit on a GPU for a long time now but it's not the only coin.

Things are very different for Ethereum the second most popular coin.

The viability of mining at home using a GPU comes and goes depending on the difficulty,coin price and current GPU computing power per watt.

Right now there is money to be made mining at home so people will. The big advantage of using a GPU is that you can sell most of your setup to gamers when you're done but asic miner become obsolete and are difficult to sell on.

ironictoaster · 06-12-2020 7:17pm

Dumb question in regard to rtx cards

I play a fair amount of single player games on my TV using my 2070.

If I get a new TV with hdmi 2.1, will that unlock 4k 120 or do I also need a new card has also has a hdmi 2.1 port?

Thanks!

AlmightyCushion · 06-12-2020 7:19pm

ironictoaster wrote: »

Dumb question in regard to rtx cards

I play a fair amount of single player games on my TV using my 2070.

If I get a new TV with hdmi 2.1, will that unlock 4k 120 or do I also need a new card has also has a hdmi 2.1 port?

Thanks!

Everything has to support it. The TV, graphics card and even the cable. Are their any TVs that are even 120hz?

ironictoaster · 06-12-2020 7:31pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Everything has to support it. The TV, graphics card and even the cable. Are their any TVs that are even 120hz?

I can force 1080p @ 120 using the nvidia control panel using my Sony xg90 model. I believe it can go up to 1440p also

harmless · 06-12-2020 7:32pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Everything has to support it. The TV, graphics card and even the cable. Are their any TVs that are even 120hz?

Many of the more expensive newly released TV's(mostly OLED but also some LCD) do support 4k 120hz thanks to both Sony and Ms supporting it with the new consoles.

To get 120hz 4k with a PC on these TV's you need a 3000 series Nvidia or 6000 series AMD as it needs a new HDMI port on the card and can't be done with firmware update.

TitianGerm · 06-12-2020 7:33pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Everything has to support it. The TV, graphics card and even the cable. Are their any TVs that are even 120hz?

Yea there's a few. Some of the OLED LGs got an update that allows it and there definitely a Sony and Samsung that offer it.

ironictoaster · 06-12-2020 8:15pm

ironictoaster wrote: »

I can force 1080p @ 120 using the nvidia control panel using my Sony xg90 model. I believe it can go up to 1440p also

On futher inspection
When go launch a game, it will go back 4k 60 and sometimes crash the tv. Maybe I am better off waiting for a 3000 card and new tv combo..one day

harmless · 06-12-2020 8:44pm

Can anyone explain what's happening here, I know DLSS is not in use but it's only 1080p and I also know Ubsoft are poor for optimisation but there are times when you want to play a game even if it is poorly optimised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LkqqgvMyFI

Cordell · 06-12-2020 10:09pm

harmless wrote: »

Can anyone explain what's happening here, I know DLSS is not in use but it's only 1080p and I also know Ubsoft are poor for optimisation but there are times when you want to play a game even if it is poorly optimised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LkqqgvMyFI

Texture resolution was set to ultra and required more VRAM than available on the 8G card. I did not see this problem when I played it, my issues were different. On a 2070S the framerate frequently dropped below 40 at 1440p but both the GPU load and CPU load were below 80% - so I suspect some sort on I/O bottleneck.

ForestFire · 07-12-2020 12:18am

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

The dumb part is, that's profit per month UNTIL EVERYONE IS DOING IT and then the profit drops like a stone.
But the damage will have already been done.

Trying to get some sort of GPU to go with new build for 2k 1440 UW screen, be that the 3060ti or the rx 6800, but it's near impossible, even the older cards, which I'm reluctant to buy are hard to get also.....

But if it takes so many GPUs around the world, drawing 200-300 watts each, to buy a packet of sweets in the local store with some bits of bitcoin, then we might as well say goodbye to our carbon netural plans :-)

What would we need to run this currency if instead of 19% who currently own some cyrpo (mostly as investments I would say and not daily transactions) and if it became a common daily means of transactions for more than 80% of the population.

I'll never get a card :-(

K.O.Kiki · 07-12-2020 2:22am

ForestFire wrote: »

Trying to get some sort of GPU to go with new build for 2k 1440 UW screen, be that the 3060ti or the rx 6800, but it's near impossible, even the older cards, which I'm reluctant to buy are hard to get also.....
[...]

I'll never get a card :-(

Have a look out for GTX 1080 Ti - can be had on Adverts for €350 or so (saw one sell for €300 today); €400-odd on eBay.

Else €550 from CEX with 2yr warranty.

It sucks but that's the market right now.

wotzgoingon · 07-12-2020 3:49am

ironictoaster wrote: »

Dumb question in regard to rtx cards

I play a fair amount of single player games on my TV using my 2070.

If I get a new TV with hdmi 2.1, will that unlock 4k 120 or do I also need a new card has also has a hdmi 2.1 port?

Thanks!

Yes you do need a newer/better HDMI cable that is HDMI 2.1 certified. The Xbox Series X comes bundled with one and I would assume the PS5 does also. But you would also need the latest generation of cards from either Nvidia or AMD.

TheSegal · 08-12-2020 10:38am

Ordered a 3070 off computeruniverse that said it was in stock and ready to ship yesterday. This morning I got an email saying that it was never in stock but they were expecting it to be delivered by a supplier so they listed it as available and were happy to charge me for it! :mad: Now they can't give me a date as to when it will available, not sure if I should cancel it and keep searching

Wonda-Boy · 08-12-2020 11:10am

TheSegal wrote: »

Ordered a 3070 off computeruniverse that said it was in stock and ready to ship yesterday. This morning I got an email saying that it was never in stock but they were expecting it to be delivered by a supplier so they listed it as available and were happy to charge me for it! :mad: Now they can't give me a date as to when it will available, not sure if I should cancel it and keep searching

For the pure ****ty tactic of doing what they did I would cancel.....probably take 2 weeks to hit your account.

Man, I hate that sneaky ****.

mossym · 08-12-2020 1:20pm

you're trusting in their trust in their supplier to deliver, and they've already lied about having it in stock. cancel.

Fitz II · 08-12-2020 2:55pm

There are a few on adverts I am sure could be got for a few hundred over RRP....just saying. I know people would rather have a testicle amputated than pay a premium but your time has value as well.

Mucashinto · 08-12-2020 11:41pm

The RRP seems largely nonsense anyway. For some people, on this forum, to get the FEs of any them...just well played. You're in a very select group.

I think the 60 is a £400+ card, 70 £600ish and 80 £800+ at this stage. Maybe they'll settle in the new year I suppose.

The way nvidia does their founders now has changed the whole thing hasn't it. When they used to make them as far less desirable blower cards at $50 over MSRP I'm sure the AIB cards instantly looked better even at inflated prices. Now I'd probably want a FE anyway as they're the nicest looking cards going imo and they're 25% cheaper than some AIB card that looks like it's cut some corners to even get to that price! Do they want to drive the AIB partners out of business or something :eek:

harmless · 08-12-2020 11:52pm

Nvidia wants a bigger cut of the pie. It's impossible for AIB's to compete with the build quality of the FE at that price point.
They have upped the quality of the of the FE massively while also lowing the price at a time when GPU demand could be at an all time high.
Next step would be to have slightly higher availability of the FE with each generation.
If this continues expect AIB's to go bust or only focus on specialised high end cooling cards in the generations to come.
With AIB's out of the way prices can creep back up again for the FE.

Mucashinto · 09-12-2020 12:04am

Right, something definitely seems off, not even AMD can compete with the FE prices it seems. But to do the above they'd keep taking a loss until they're finally the last one standing. Would they not just publicly make a decision - we're not selling our chips to 3rd parties anymore? Sell them at whatever price they want then straight-away. Could even spin it as good for consumers - all in house, costs saved etc. Just buyout EVGA and bring them under the nvidia name or something.

slade_x · 09-12-2020 1:22am

MSI Gets Hit By Theft, 2.2 Million Yuan Worth of MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Graphics Cards Stolen

As if the GeForce RTX 3090 was not in tight supply already. MSI has seen some awful news as 2.2 Million Yuan Worth of MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Graphics cards have been stolen from the China Factory.
It's a big heist when you think about it. No less than 40 cargo units holding NVIDIA’s flagship GeForce RTX 3090 graphics cards have been stolen from the MSI factory in China, which hints towards an inside job. The cards are worth 2.2 Million Yuan, which is roughly $336,500 in US dollars. MSI however is still investigating the exact numbers and quantities.
Earlier on, a tweet was posted about this theft; you can see the screenshot below.....................

Full article @:
https://www.guru3d.com/news_story/msi_gets_hit_by_theft2_2_million_yuan_worth_of_msi_geforce_rtx_3090_graphics_cards_stolen.html

K.O.Kiki · 09-12-2020 1:34am

200-odd cards, 100% going to miners.

harmless · 09-12-2020 2:24am

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

200-odd cards, 100% going to miners.

You'd make more money mining by selling them for below RRP and buying 3060ti's and 3070's

Pangea · 09-12-2020 10:34am

Curry's have 3070 in stock right now, I just purchased without doing too much research, was hoping to get 3060ti but went for this instead, good buy?

https://www.currys.ie/ieen/computing-accessories/components-upgrades/graphics-cards/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3070-8-gb-gaming-oc-graphics-card-10216240-pdt.html

Homelander · 09-12-2020 12:05pm

I bought that exact card last week after someone posted it, it arrived 2 days later.

It's an OK card, nothing special about it but it's decent enough for the average user who just wants a relatively quiet/cool 3070, wouldn't be great for OC'ing or anything like that..... and at this stage I was more than happy to get it for €649.

Almost surreal given the difficulties getting cards and the fact I was in a 5 week long queue up to that point.

liamog · 09-12-2020 12:28pm

I think I may have one of the only 3060ti's driving displays over DVI.
I have two circa 2012 27" 1440p monitors that require a DVI-D Dual Link connector, I've a thunderbolt expansion card that takes a mini-dp input and then outputs over the the USB-C DP Alt Mode, I then have two USB-C to DVI Dual Link adapter to connect the monitors.
It's all working rather well, and will keep me going until I upgrade the monitors.

Wonda-Boy · 09-12-2020 3:15pm

slade_x wrote: »

MSI Gets Hit By Theft, 2.2 Million Yuan Worth of MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Graphics Cards Stolen

Full article @:
https://www.guru3d.com/news_story/msi_gets_hit_by_theft2_2_million_yuan_worth_of_msi_geforce_rtx_3090_graphics_cards_stolen.html

The way MSI operate I would not be surprised if they staged it themselves for the insurance money....:rolleyes:

seraphimvc · 09-12-2020 6:12pm

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

The way MSI operate I would not be surprised if they staged it themselves for the insurance money....:rolleyes:

my exact first thought :pac: and alot of comment under the article said the same.

Basically something with base of 120x100cm and tall 2m.

i mean...ya sure, what an operation to steal that amount of boxes with that size...

LineConsole · 10-12-2020 5:12am

Pangea wrote: »

Curry's have 3070 in stock right now, I just purchased without doing too much research, was hoping to get 3060ti but went for this instead, good buy?

https://www.currys.ie/ieen/computing-accessories/components-upgrades/graphics-cards/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3070-8-gb-gaming-oc-graphics-card-10216240-pdt.html

I’m really enjoying mine fine so far. Running everything I throw at it on Max at 1440p very smoothly. Witcher 3,RE7, Outer Wilds, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Amnesia rebirth to name a few. All smooth as butter.

TheSegal · 10-12-2020 1:35pm

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

For the pure ****ty tactic of doing what they did I would cancel.....probably take 2 weeks to hit your account.

Man, I hate that sneaky ****.

I emailed them again about it after their reply and 5 minutes later my card was ready for shipping! Don't know what shady nonsense they were pulling there but my card arrived in Dublin airport yesterday morning at 7 and was handed off to An Post from DHL. Of course there is absolutely no updated tracking info from An Post but at least DHL updated me at every step of the way in Germany. I would just like to know if my card is arriving today, tomorrow, or next week so I can listen out for the postman to arrive

Wonda-Boy · 10-12-2020 3:31pm

Well my dream of a 3080ti seems to be a step closer today with alot of datamining showing drivers listed and SKUs etc for Jan launch.....getting one is another thing altogether.

Samuel T. Cogley · 10-12-2020 4:01pm

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Well my dream of a 3080ti seems to be a step closer today with alot of datamining showing drivers listed and SKUs etc for Jan launch.....getting one is another thing altogether.

Any word on the 3070ti?

AdMMM · 10-12-2020 5:19pm

Just fluked a 3060Ti with a random refresh of Scan. Sold out again now!

harmless · 10-12-2020 5:40pm

There's a 3060ti up on adverts for very close to RRP(€540). But it's one of the more expensive OC cards.
All the other ones on there are over €600, one scalper has several cards up

Can ticket touts uses adverts and if not why can any scalpers use it?

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