The Reseeding/Stitching Discussion Thread.

CloughCasey1 · 28-04-2018 12:23pm

charolais0153 wrote: »

His land doesnt know the meaning of wet:D

Jaysus you're only over the road so not much in difference. You wrong side of border tho.☺

Reggie. · 28-04-2018 2:16pm

Grazon wrote: »

https://i.imgur.com/QT6dQbi.jpg
Maybe now. Is it not free for boards membersðŸ˜†

She needs abit of smarting up alright

cacs · 28-04-2018 10:49pm

Dozer1 wrote: »

so the Rakeman 3000 is selling at €2,950 inc. 23 per cent Vat only 3m wide,

its very tempting but 1 question I have is my ground is muddy, are the tines strong enough for heavier ground?
I think they look a better job than the chain harrow but you can buy a wider chain harrow so cover the ground faster which is important for the part time person

I bought a new 3m jarmet tine harrow for 1720 including vat.i could barely buy a second hand one down here for that

ELP · 29-04-2018 8:16am

Have you used it yet?
What did you think of it.
I was thinking of getting one here.

ELP · 29-04-2018 8:19am

It is the Jarmet I was thinking of getting.

cacs · 29-04-2018 8:45am

ELP wrote: »

It is the Jarmet I was thinking of getting.

I have used it for pulling out dead grass etc a couple very happy with it. It’s perfect for farmers own use. I am going to over seeding with it in a few weeks, with the wagtail and roller. Bought it in whites of portadown best price I could find

ELP · 29-04-2018 9:17am

That's all I was looking to do and I have no big acres so it should do fine.
Was that delivered to you?
Is there any setting up in it i.e.. depth of tang

Muckit · 29-04-2018 10:22am

What's the story with grass frost? Fine frost here at 7am this morning. Would it affect grass seed?

askU · 29-04-2018 10:28am

I prefer to reseed in August. It has the winter and early spring to settle in.

Reggie. · 29-04-2018 11:23am

Muckit wrote: »

What's the story with grass frost? Fine frost here at 7am this morning. Would it affect grass seed?

If it's germinated then there is a chance it can be killed off. Depends on the severity of the frost

cacs · 29-04-2018 12:17pm

ELP wrote: »

That's all I was looking to do and I have no big acres so it should do fine.
Was that delivered to you?
Is there any setting up in it i.e.. depth of tang

They will deliver I collected

Dunedin · 07-05-2018 8:05pm

Finally sowed today after being ploughed last August.

Reggie. · 07-05-2018 8:19pm

Dunedin wrote: »

Finally sowed today after being ploughed last August

Are ya happy with the outcome?

The Nutty M · 07-05-2018 8:30pm

Seeded 10 acres yesterday too. Was a smashing day too in more ways than one,3 tines broken off the powerharrow from stones. The joys.

Dunedin · 07-05-2018 9:31pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Are ya happy with the outcome?

Was trying to put up pic but wouldn’t load hence the multiple posts.

Yes, turned out very well but the weather was super. Slight change of tact on Saturday, contractor gave it one slow run of power harrow ( as opposed to my plan to rotavate) and he did a super job. That’s all it needed after that and I ran over it with the chain harrow this morning. Sowed and rolled this afternoon.

Reggie. · 07-05-2018 10:05pm

Dunedin wrote: »

Was trying to put up pic but wouldn’t load hence the multiple posts.

Yes, turned out very well but the weather was super. Slight change of tact on Saturday, contractor gave it one slow run of power harrow ( as opposed to my plan to rotavate) and he did a super job. That’s all it needed after that and I ran over it with the chain harrow this morning. Sowed and rolled this afternoon.

Light rain tomorrow too, to give it a drink. Ideal

Reggie. · 08-05-2018 2:20pm

The calf paddocks that were stitched 2 weeks ago are starting the germinate. Thank God as I thought that bit of frost might have killed off the seed

AntrimGlens · 09-05-2018 11:02am

I'm planning on doing a bit of reseeding and have a couple of Q's. Ploughing is out of the question as i'm not spending months picking stones. I usually burn off after silage has been cut and direct drill with an einbock.
Now i'd rather apply the lime at the time of the reseed than in the autumn in case conditions don't allow in the back end. So my question is:
Could i burn off, apply lime and then direct drill, should i burn off, drill and apply lime OR, should i just go the full hog, burn off, power harrow, lime, power harrow again and then drill?
My contractor uses a bredal lime spreader with the big wings, so lime is applied more like a dribble bar than spread with discs.
Would there be too much build up of dead grass & lime for the drill to cope with if lime is applied prior to drilling?
All thoughts and experiences welcome.

Reggie. · 09-05-2018 11:52am

AntrimGlens wrote: »

I'm planning on doing a bit of reseeding and have a couple of Q's. Ploughing is out of the question as i'm not spending months picking stones. I usually burn off after silage has been cut and direct drill with an einbock.
Now i'd rather apply the lime at the time of the reseed than in the autumn in case conditions don't allow in the back end. So my question is:
Could i burn off, apply lime and then direct drill, should i burn off, drill and apply lime OR, should i just go the full hog, burn off, power harrow, lime, power harrow again and then drill?
My contractor uses a bredal lime spreader with the big wings, so lime is applied more like a dribble bar than spread with discs.
Would there be too much build up of dead grass & lime for the drill to cope with if lime is applied prior to drilling?
All thoughts and experiences welcome.

You can easily burn off. Wait 2 weeks to get a good kill. Apply fertnlime and then harrow it in and seed away.

I'm actually gonna be doing 8 acres shortly where I'm gonna be harrowing and seeding and the farmer will spray off afterwards. It's a sheep farm and ground is savage tightly grazed

cute geoge · 09-05-2018 5:29pm

How long after direct seeding/drilling could you wait to spray off with round up

Reggie. · 09-05-2018 6:43pm

cute geoge wrote: »

How long after direct seeding/drilling could you wait to spray off with round up

Think you have 2 or 3 days not sure about it as I haven't tried I'd yet

Reggie. · 09-05-2018 8:34pm

Some before and after pics of a field I fixed up yesterday

cacs · 09-05-2018 8:38pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Some before and after pics of a field I fixed up yesterday

Hi reggie did you disc harrow or tine harrow this ground. It looks great

Reggie. · 09-05-2018 8:57pm

cathal irwin wrote: »

Hi reggie did you disc harrow or tine harrow this ground. It looks great

All with the tine harrow. 2 levelling runs and seeded on the 3rd run

Dunedin · 09-05-2018 9:52pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Think you have 2 or 3 days not sure about it as I haven't tried I'd yet

Sorry if I’m being a bit thick here but are you saying you’d stitch in grass seed and then come along a few days later and spray with round up?

Reggie. · 09-05-2018 9:56pm

Dunedin wrote: »

Sorry if I’m being a bit thick here but are you saying you’d stitch in grass seed and then come along a few days later and spray with round up?

That's it and its what this mans plan is. He's a seed REP so I'll sow it and he can spray when he wants too.

Seed should be safe till it germinates in theory. Seed should need a good 2 to 5 days to start to germinate.

Say my name · 09-05-2018 10:22pm

Hopefully I won't derail the thread but is anyone not in the slightest bit concerned about the use of roundup or maybe even over use?
It might not be around for much longer if the Eu get their way.

I'm currently myself trying out some reseeding by not using roundup. It is getting ploughed though so should give a clean seedbed.

But the claims from opposition to glyphosphate would have anyone a little bit concerned. From killing of beneficial microbes in the soil to even changes in the gut microbiome of humans and animals. The jury is out on those but it still would make you wonder should we be trying to find our own alternative?

Anyway just ramblings of a little bit concerned farmer.

Reggie. · 09-05-2018 10:32pm

Say my name wrote: »

Hopefully I won't derail the thread but is anyone not in the slightest bit concerned about the use of roundup or maybe even over use?
It might not be around for much longer if the Eu get their way.

I'm currently myself trying out some reseeding by not using roundup. It is getting ploughed though so should give a clean seedbed.

But the claims from opposition to glyphosphate would have anyone a little bit concerned. From killing of beneficial microbes in the soil to even changes in the gut microbiome of humans and animals. The jury is out on those but it still would make you wonder should we be trying to find our own alternative?

Anyway just ramblings of a little bit concerned farmer.

That's why I overseed

Keepgrowing · 09-05-2018 10:53pm

foxirl wrote: »

As well as the chickweed it's fairly patchy in areas as you can see from the pic. If I broadcast some more seed with a wagtail and roll would it be worth it. Don't have access to chain harrow and would probably tear up a lot of what's already sown as only 7 months

Graze it hard and fertilise it. Spray with Pastor trio

Dozer1 · 10-05-2018 4:27pm

Reggie, how long does it generally take you to do an acre of ground?
I've some 2 to 3 acre paddocks, time poor as they say, with a 3m harrow and 2 passes how long roughly am I going to need

Reggie. · 10-05-2018 4:54pm

Dozer1 wrote: »

Reggie, how long does it generally take you to do an acre of ground?
I've some 2 to 3 acre paddocks, time poor as they say, with a 3m harrow and 2 passes how long roughly am I going to need

That 2 acre field took me 1.5 hours with my harrow on 3 passes. Your quicker with bigger fields as your not turning as much

It's the turning about that kills the time

I'd say 1.5 to 2 hours should then with only 2 passes

cacs · 10-05-2018 6:09pm

Reggie. wrote: »

That 2 acre field took me 1.5 hours with my harrow on 3 passes. Your quicker with bigger fields as your not turning as much

It's the turning about that kills the time

I'd say 1.5 to 2 hours should then with only 2 passes

I am hoping to do some overseeding in the coming weeks. I was going to spray each paddock after it is grazed off with forefront T graze it again and then thine harrow and overseed would that be a good plan to clear out a lot of weeds

Reggie. · 10-05-2018 7:44pm

cathal irwin wrote: »

I am hoping to do some overseeding in the coming weeks. I was going to spray each paddock after it is grazed off with forefront T graze it again and then thine harrow and overseed would that be a good plan to clear out a lot of weeds

Just be careful that when it's tightly grazed that the weeds like docks aren't hidden by being eaten and then emerge after the spray

Timmaay · 10-05-2018 8:14pm

Young lad I have milking for me saw me up on the tractor rolling the reseed here, he told me I was doing a sh1te job (I was ha!), he offered to take over (I'd gladly pay anyone the 10e/hr instead of doing a field job myself), I was sent off to pick stones instead, literally only found about 15 worth removing in the whole 10ac, so I'm back at home now finished for the evening. That's a win win for me haha!

cacs · 10-05-2018 10:19pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Just be careful that when it's tightly grazed that the weeds like docks aren't hidden by being eaten and then emerge after the spray

That’s a good point Reggie I might wait for some regrowth before spraying

Say my name · 17-05-2018 5:48pm

How long does it take everyone to sow grass seed?

Sowed 11 and a bit acres in 3 fields there now with the wagtail.
Started at roughly 2 and finished about 5.30.
I thought I'd never be finished.

Perfect calm day for it though.

The Nutty M · 17-05-2018 6:30pm

We do sow at about 6kmph with the air seeder, in or around 4.5acres an hour.

Going by your figures, giving you a spreading width of 5 metres, your average forward speed was under 3km. Or you may have oversown it at double the speed.

GrasstoMilk · 17-05-2018 6:45pm

All rolled up here. Will spray off another paddock tomorrow if growth looks good

Teddy 1234 · 17-05-2018 8:24pm

Say my name wrote: »

How long does it take everyone to sow grass seed?

Sowed 11 and a bit acres in 3 fields there now with the wagtail.
Started at roughly 2 and finished about 5.30.
I thought I'd never be finished.

Perfect calm day for it though.

I have never set grass seed with a wagtail, what setting do you use or how much do you have the opening? What width and speed do you spread at?

Say my name · 17-05-2018 8:39pm

The Nutty M wrote: »

We do sow at about 6kmph with the air seeder, in or around 4.5acres an hour.

Going by your figures, giving you a spreading width of 5 metres, your average forward speed was under 3km. Or you may have oversown it at double the speed.

I was doing about 10 or 11kmph going by the table sticker on the tractor.
I'm not sure about the 5 metres (that's 15ft in old money) ? Two tractor widths at a time it was anyway (and maybe less) @ 20kgs/acre with just one pass of the tractor.
It's the headlands in the small fields that really killed time and making sure the seed is hitting the ground before taking off each time.
The ONLY thing I like about the wagtail over other seeders is the randomness of the falling seed.

Say my name · 17-05-2018 8:54pm

Teddy 1234 wrote: »

I have never set grass seed with a wagtail, what setting do you use or how much do you have the opening? What width and speed do you spread at?

Width it looks like it is roughly 5m.
I stepped the width of the tractor and that's 7ft. So double that and its 14ft.
There should be no difference between your own wheel tracks and the gap between the previous one or less if you want to be sure.
Speed about 11kmph.
Setting 18 or a touch above on a vicon 604 spreader.
Just barely under 18 for a bag (11.5kgs)/ acre.

Say my name · 17-05-2018 9:20pm

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

All rolled up here. Will spray off another paddock tomorrow if growth looks good

Did you use your own seeder?
And if you did how did you get on?

GrasstoMilk · 17-05-2018 9:44pm

Say my name wrote: »

Did you use your own seeder?
And if you did how did you get on?

Yeah we did. Johnathon leech tiles it up with his harrow and he could have sowed it if we wanted. Should be a really dry field now with lots of grass for next spring.
Haven't fully got used to the seeder yet. The settings on the book isn't really correlating. Ill have my own settings after a while I suppose

Sami23 · 18-05-2018 6:43am

Say my name wrote: »

There should be no difference between your own wheel tracks and the gap between the previous one or less if you want to be sure.
Just barely under 18 for a bag (11.5kgs)/ acre.

I've a field to sow here with the vicon in the next week or so and haven't sowed with it before as usually got a lad in to do it but want to cut down on costs this time.

Just to clarify on the gap between passes. Are you saying you stay just the width of the tractor from the previous wheel mark so when your finished you end up with line's left from wheels in fields all equally spaced as it you wouldn't know which track you drove on as all equal spacing ?
TIA

Markcheese · 18-05-2018 7:08am

Does anyone spread grass seed mixed with lime or sand?
Did it years ago somewhere I worked, reckon it was because the fert spreader could go down fine enough.... But mixing lime and a bag of grass seed with a shovel can't have been too accurate either..

Say my name · 18-05-2018 8:29am

Sami23 wrote: »

I've a field to sow here with the vicon in the next week or so and haven't sowed with it before as usually got a lad in to do it but want to cut down on costs this time.

Just to clarify on the gap between passes. Are you saying you stay just the width of the tractor from the previous wheel mark so when your finished you end up with line's left from wheels in fields all equally spaced as it you wouldn't know which track you drove on as all equal spacing ?
TIA

On the wheel marks. That's exactly it.

You'd nearly want to have seen someone else spread with a vicon spreader before attempting it yourself.
It's not rocket science but just the little knacks of driving the tractor into the corners of the fields and then doing an extra pass on the headland when youre finished where the spreader would be starting to ensure no misses.
Obviously then a really calm day which is near impossible get in this country.
Good luck if you do go at it.

Sami23 · 18-05-2018 9:29am

Say my name wrote: »

Sami23 wrote: »

I've a field to sow here with the vicon in the next week or so and haven't sowed with it before as usually got a lad in to do it but want to cut down on costs this time.

Just to clarify on the gap between passes. Are you saying you stay just the width of the tractor from the previous wheel mark so when your finished you end up with line's left from wheels in fields all equally spaced as it you wouldn't know which track you drove on as all equal spacing ?
TIA

On the wheel marks. That's exactly it.
.

Bit confused now, are you saying you drive on the previous wheel mark next time around to just move width of tractor over or do ya move over by a full tractor width If ya kno what I mean

Say my name · 18-05-2018 10:54am

Sami23 wrote: »

Bit confused now, are you saying you drive on the previous wheel mark next time around to just move width of tractor over or do ya move over by a full tractor width If ya kno what I mean

Move over a full width of the tractor.
Or another way of saying it is leave the width of the tractor between runs.
Don't drive on the previous wheel mark.
Although you could if want but you'd just be doubling the amount of passes with the tractor and have to cut back the spreader to half what you're spreading with the way I'm doing it.
Get off the tractor a few times to make sure the grass seed is covering well too.
Some people spread grass by spreading one way and then crossing those runs at 90 degrees to be totally sure of no misses.

Now I have you totally confused.

Sami23 · 18-05-2018 11:17am

Say my name wrote: »

Sami23 wrote: »

Bit confused now, are you saying you drive on the previous wheel mark next time around to just move width of tractor over or do ya move over by a full tractor width If ya kno what I mean

Move over a full width of the tractor.
Or another way of saying it is leave the width of the tractor between runs.
Don't drive on the previous wheel mark.
Although you could if want but you'd just be doubling the amount of passes with the tractor and have to cut back the spreader to half what you're spreading with the way I'm doing it.
Get off the tractor a few times to make sure the grass seed is covering well too.
Some people spread grass by spreading one way and then crossing those runs at 90 degrees to be totally sure of no misses.

Now I have you totally confused.

No that's what I thought u ment in the first place anyway.
My field is long and narrow so can't really do the crossing thing.

I've a small 6 bad vicon so gonna chance setting it around 10 or 12 n hope for best

Dunedin · 18-05-2018 11:24am

Sami23 wrote: »

I've a field to sow here with the vicon in the next week or so and haven't sowed with it before as usually got a lad in to do it but want to cut down on costs this time TIA

How many bags to acre with vicon? The biggest cost might be the seed itself so if you are using too much seed with the vicon, it’s a false economy over precision sowing which would be a bag to the acre.

Maybe I’m off the mark here and would welcome views from more experienced sowers than myself

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