IE's 071 Class.

dowlingm · 15-02-2012 5:18am

foggy_lad wrote: »

Saw a locomotive passing manulla junction last night going to Ballina with its load of containers, the number on it was 071 but it was not an 071. It looked like a 201? It was gone before I could get any pictures. Does that make any sense from someone who knows very little about locomotive classes or sizes?

Seems like it was, in fact, 071 of the clan 071
http://irnirishrailwaynews.yuku.com/reply/53442/071-Watch#reply-53442
It has the "new" paint job unlike the other ones in orange with rusty doors and whatnot.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/be216cd1/6352233348/

Losty Dublin · 15-02-2012 11:06am

Jehuty42 wrote: »

Anyone know what's the story with the 5-car 22000 in Inchicore?

That's 22033 which had a fire on a Galway bound service in September. It was moved from Port Laois 6 weeks ago for repair work and the other 5 cars are living in Inchicore for the time being.

Mayo checker · 15-02-2012 6:47pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Name a factory that has a direct rail connection these days, because that's the only way it's going to be viable to move stuff by rail for them. Other wise it's load truck, drive truck to railhead, wait to offload container, container sits in yard, loaded to train, more waiting, railhead A to railhead B, more waiting to offload, re load to truck, drive truck to actual destination.

The cost and time cost of all the moving and waiting far outweighs the cheaper cost of rail freight due to the short distance involved in Ireland.

A. THE COST OF DIESEL IS RISING

B. THERE IS STILL WAITING INVOLVED FOR A LORRY TO COME FROM ITS DEPOT ANYWAY
C.LORRIES WOULD BE STILL USED BUT FOR LESSER JOBS AS IN TRANSPORTING GOODS FROM THE RAIL TO WHERE ITS GOING
D. BUT IN THE LONG RUN IT HAS TO BE SAID IT BE GOOD FOR THE ENVIROMENT HAVING 1 TRAIN TO DELIEVER GOODS TO A CERTAIN PART OF THE COUNTRY CORK LIMERICK GALWAY ETC RATHER THAN 100 LORRIES TRAVELLIN DOWN ON OUR MAJOR ROADS AROUND THE COUNTRY ...

.WATCH THIS SPACE,,,,,, HAULIERS ARE STRUGGLIN WITH THE RISIN COST OF FUEL RAIL MIGHT BE THE ONLY CHOICE OUT THERE FOR TRANSPORTING GOODS

roundymac · 15-02-2012 6:55pm

You try explain that to your wife the next time she comes in bitching and moaning 'cos it aint on the shelf.:D

Mayo checker · 15-02-2012 11:40pm

roundymac wrote: »

You try explain that to your wife the next time she comes in bitching and moaning 'cos it aint on the shelf.:D

:)you must be in the wrong section talkin bout wives Type wives complaints in and search away:)

any sightings of 084 please and my favourite loco of all time 077 ??

Captain Chaos · 16-02-2012 7:13pm

Mayo checker wrote: »

any sightings of 084 please and my favourite loco of all time 077 ??

The only two orange 071s left and eyeing up the scrap line by the summer I reckon. Hope I'm wrong on that though but they are both in sorry states right now.

Mayo checker · 17-02-2012 12:20pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The only two orange 071s left and eyeing up the scrap line by the summer I reckon. Hope I'm wrong on that though but they are both in sorry states right now.

ya they might be in a sorry state but the other 071s that were overhalued hadnt much done to them either so they mite look like there grand but id say they are struggling along to ..Just the paint job made them look better

Praetorian · 17-02-2012 2:37pm

They don't make loco's like they used to. The 071's are my favourite loco class in the world. The music they make is astonishing.

demanufactured · 17-02-2012 8:20pm

Praetorian wrote: »

They don't make loco's like they used to. The 071's are my favourite loco class in the world. The music they make is astonishing.

Have any of these locos been used anywhere else in the world??

I know that 201 are a cousin of the British class 66.
And the americans are fond of oversized "road switcher" type locos.

I have never seen any of the 141/181 or 071 type locos anywhere else.

newmug · 17-02-2012 8:39pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Name a factory that has a direct rail connection these days.....

Intel:o

dowlingm · 17-02-2012 8:56pm

demanufactured wrote: »

Have any of these locos been used anywhere else in the world??

I know that 201 are a cousin of the British class 66.
And the americans are fond of oversized "road switcher" type locos.

I have never seen any of the 141/181 or 071 type locos anywhere else.

http://www.trainweb.org/emdloco/jt22cw.htm
071 variants/cousins went to Sudan, Egypt and Yugoslavia.

17-02-2012 8:58pm

newmug wrote: »

Intel:o

Coca Cola in Lisburn are pretty close to the line too.

Mayo checker · 18-02-2012 1:24am

When the 071s are all taken out of service that be a very sad day for

alot of us ,,,what we all find it hard to believe is irish rail parking up a load

of 201s in inch and giving nearly all the 071s a so called overhaul

:)

Maybe just Maybe there must be an 071 Enthusiast MANAGER IN INCH:D:D:D

demanufactured · 18-02-2012 1:52am

Wtf

dowlingm · 18-02-2012 5:40am

Mayo checker wrote: »

When the 071s are all taken out of service that be a very sad day for

alot of us ,,,what we all find it hard to believe is irish rail parking up a load

of 201s in inch and giving nearly all the 071s a so called overhaul :)

Maybe just Maybe there must be an 071 Enthusiast MANAGER IN INCH:D:D:D

Or maybe a manager who has read the IE Network Statement's track pages, specifically all the parts where it says "201 class not permitted"?

Rud · 18-02-2012 6:27pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The only two orange 071s left and eyeing up the scrap line by the summer I reckon. Hope I'm wrong on that though but they are both in sorry states right now.

There are 4 orange 071s left 077,078,084 and 087.077 was noted last week at Inchicore still in action.087 is in the middle of an overhaul at Inchicore.078 and 084 are also working so i doubt any of them will be sent to the scrapheap soon

Oscar Bravo · 18-02-2012 6:46pm

078 is in the middle of an overhaul. 084 was noted in Limerick junction.077 as Rud says at Inchicore and can be seen from the aerial photo backed up to 074.

101sean · 18-02-2012 8:47pm

I was 10 minutes too late walking the dog yesterday, saw in the distance an 071 and the autoballaster heading north, heard it coming from a mile away

. Previous day, 075 went through with 3 flat wagons. I walk the dog up a farm access alongside MP93 near Thurles most afternoons.

roundymac · 18-02-2012 9:37pm

Lucky dog.:D

101sean · 20-02-2012 9:20pm

5 minutes too late today and I had my camera! 071 and autoballaster again, on max zoom so can't see which one it is.

20-02-2012 9:22pm

I can't see an IE logo on the yellow end so I'm guessing 075.

101sean · 20-02-2012 9:31pm

It was 075 through here last week with flat wagons, internal workings seem to come through between 1 and 2pm. Will try harder tomorrow if it's dry.

cml387 · 20-02-2012 11:04pm

It was in Clonmel station half an hour ago quietly growling.

Oscar Bravo · 20-02-2012 11:06pm

075 alright as its numbers are white/grey instead of black.Loco 071 is the same.

duffmckegean · 20-02-2012 11:32pm

cml387 wrote: »

It was in Clonmel station half an hour ago quietly growling.

I was in Tesco at 8 and it was whining away then too.
Is it possible that it's being lefts run overnight?
Not very good for MPG's, maybe the alternator's a bit dodgey!

Oscar Bravo · 20-02-2012 11:39pm

More than likely left running for the night.I know when they had 079 down West a few weeks ago with the ballast it was stabled in Ballyhaunis station and swichted off each night.

20-02-2012 11:40pm

duffmckegean wrote: »

I was in Tesco at 8 and it was whining away then too.
Is it possible that it's being lefts run overnight?
Not very good for MPG's, maybe the alternator's a bit dodgey!

071s are notoriously difficult to start and always were. Some locations even had external power supplies to help start them in case the batteries go flat. Tralee certainly did. In recent years they've been more willing to shut them down.

trad · 20-02-2012 11:47pm

I was an apprentice in Inchicore when the 071's were being put into service after lying around for a good while after delivery.

They were almost impossible to start even when new. Many of them were on their third set of starter motors and countless sets of batteries before they even entered service. It's no wonder they won't shut them off.

L1011 · 22-02-2012 10:24am

Karsini wrote: »

In recent years they've been more willing to shut them down.

Less urgency if a freight train is 20 minutes late because the 071 didn't want to start, possibly?

101sean · 22-02-2012 11:38am

One of them has a wheel flat now. Took dog in plenty of time yesterday and no 071 :rolleyes:

One rattled through on the up light engine at around 3ish, I was back home by then, can see line from bottom of garden about 3/4 mile away. Same one (going by the sound) rattled through light engine heading south around 10 this morning.

foggy_lad · 22-02-2012 11:51am

101sean wrote: »

One of them has a wheel flat now. Took dog in plenty of time yesterday and no 071 :rolleyes:

Excuse my ignorance but aren't the wheels made from iron? How can they be flat? Is it a term used to mean a piece has broken off the wheel?

22-02-2012 12:01pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but aren't the wheels made from iron? How can they be flat? Is it a term used to mean a piece has broken off the wheel?

It's literally a flat spot on the wheel. It can be caused by heavy braking or (according to a friend of mine) extended storage without being moved.

demanufactured · 22-02-2012 12:04pm

Some one get a vid of an 071 startup!!

flyingsnail · 22-02-2012 12:12pm

Most people think of a flat wheel on a car when they hear Wheel flats, but in this case it is where a section of the wheel has become flat for some reason. It can be caused by heavy breaking or breaks not releasing.

Losty Dublin · 22-02-2012 12:12pm

Karsini wrote: »

071s are notoriously difficult to start and always were. Some locations even had external power supplies to help start them in case the batteries go flat. Tralee certainly did. In recent years they've been more willing to shut them down.

Freight paths nowadays are pretty constant compared to olden times. Until maybe 10 years ago a freight train could literally depart at a minutes notice so an engine could be needed at any time so they needed to be left running just in case; these days they have their slot and they are pretty much like clockwork in their running times so they can be turned off if unneeded for several hours. The auld price of diesel these days makes leaving them idle for ages that bit less attractive.

foggy_lad · 22-02-2012 12:17pm

flyingsnail wrote: »

Most people think of a flat wheel on a car when they hear Wheel flats, but in this case it is where a section of the wheel has become flat for some reason. It can be caused by heavy breaking or breaks not releasing.

Can it be repaired/pumped up or ground down or are the wheels just replaced? Is it dangerous, could it cause a derailment?

22-02-2012 12:22pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

Can it be repaired/pumped up or ground down or are the wheels just replaced? Is it dangerous, could it cause a derailment?

I don't know the technical term but you can grind down the wheel to make it circular again. You can only do it so many times before the wheel needs to be replaced.

Serious wheelflats can cause track damage.

flyingsnail · 22-02-2012 12:26pm

You can turn the wheels on a lathe to return them to the correct profile.

roundymac · 22-02-2012 12:55pm

Like blackspotting an F1 car.:D

Mayo checker · 22-02-2012 5:01pm

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

More than likely left running for the night.I know when they had 079 down West a few weeks ago with the ballast it was stabled in Ballyhaunis station and swichted off each night.

well every time that there is a ballast stabled in ballyhaunis it wudnt be moved for a few days so thats why it be switched off the majority of the time ,

newmug · 22-02-2012 5:25pm

trad wrote: »

I was an apprentice in Inchicore when the 071's were being put into service after lying around for a good while after delivery.

They were almost impossible to start even when new. Many of them were on their third set of starter motors and countless sets of batteries before they even entered service. It's no wonder they won't shut them off.

Why, exactly, is that? Its a common enough problem with diesel engines, even relatively small ones. Hence why cars have heater plugs. But what specifically was the problem with the 071's?

dowlingm · 22-02-2012 7:26pm

When GO Transit build remote storage tracks for their commuter trains they usually provide wayside power for the loco (engine is the 4000hp 16 cylinder cousin of what's in a 201 class) but that's probably as much for trailer and engine block heating on -30C winter mornings (thank god this winter hasn't had any) than to assist the starter motors.

See page 16 of this for instance:
http://gotransitnlb.gotransit.com/public/en/docs/ea/kitchener_trainstoragetracks/Temporary-Train-LO-WEB.pdf

Oscar Bravo · 22-02-2012 10:44pm

"well every time that there is a ballast stabled in ballyhaunis it wudnt be moved for a few days so thats why it be switched off the majority of the time"-Incorrect,the ballast was out each evening/night when stabled in Ballyhaunis last,it was noted shunting in Claremoris at aroun 1900 and 2100.Tonight Regulator 703 is working between Claremorris and Manulla Junction......Back to 071s,083 worked an extra IWT liner from Ballina this morning(Noted in Athlone at 1300),232 worked another IWT from Ballina before hand.Good to see.

101sean · 22-02-2012 11:30pm

Same rattling 071 went through at 4 today, I'll get it eventually!

073 is pictured in this weeks Railway Herald on the weekly Inchicore - Limerick wheel/wagon train.

Oscar Bravo · 22-02-2012 11:38pm

Hope u get it soon 101Sean!! 073 is busy so,it worked an empty timber train into Ballina earlier this evening(Crossing 072 with the laden timber in Claremorris at around 5pm). Some excellent photos of the 80s scene have been put up on IRN link here www.steverabone.com/RailwayPhotographs/ireland_1984.htm and some 90s here www.railbrit.co.uk/location.php?loc=CIE

101sean · 23-02-2012 3:37pm

Seen those pics before, very good.

Same 071 rattled past at 2ish with pway wagons heading south so it'll be even later coming back, might try around 4.00!

Mayo checker · 25-02-2012 12:04am

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

"well every time that there is a ballast stabled in ballyhaunis it wudnt be moved for a few days so thats why it be switched off the majority of the time"-Incorrect,

yes you are incorrect
if you read my post correctly you would see i said majority of the time ? didnt say all the time that it be switched off ???? please read my posts carefully anymore before saying im incorrect thank you ,,,,,

thanks for lettin me know the whereabout,s of 084 by the way

Mayo checker · 25-02-2012 12:26am

078 must be recieving the longest overhaul in inchicore history ....i recokon you have a better chance of the world ending this year than seeing 078 back out again this year:):) you will win an oscar if you read my post carefully ...

Victor · 25-02-2012 8:13pm

Mayo checker wrote: »

yes you are incorrect
if you read my post correctly you would see i said majority of the time ? didnt say all the time that it be switched off ???? please read my posts carefully anymore before saying im incorrect thank you ,,,,,

thanks for lettin me know the whereabout,s of 084 by the way

Can we lay off the snideness please?

I think you also missed the emphasis of that post.

former inchicore apprentice · 25-02-2012 11:40pm

Mayo checker wrote: »

078 must be recieving the longest overhaul in inchicore history ....i recokon you have a better chance of the world ending this year than seeing 078 back out again this year:):) you will win an oscar if you read my post carefully ...

well the information i have on that is that it will be a while before 078 will be back on the Mainline again

IE's 071 Class.

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