New, unregistered Irish-bought car from 1976 - where do I start?

Jeff2 · 20-02-2020 1:24am

alfa beta wrote: »

Ah - you learn something new every day .... this is why I love Boards!!)

Yeah, you pull the clutch lever and it will not work as the cork plates will be stuck to the metal plates.

Jeff2 · 20-02-2020 4:55am

If you move the back and forward while little pressure on the gear lever it will change gear to get it into neutral.

This works for most bike bar a few Kawasakis.

Jeff2 · 20-02-2020 5:22am

BTW the ignition key for the bikes doesn't really look like a bike key.

I'll post a picture tomorrow.

macplaxton · 20-02-2020 1:30pm

One of these (they're all the same).

20-02-2020 1:32pm

macplaxton wrote: »

One of these (they're all the same).

SOME differences surely

macplaxton · 20-02-2020 7:10pm

No. On the ETZs, they had a separate flat key for the headstock lock and another for the removable side cover.

alfa beta · 20-02-2020 7:21pm

Jeff2 wrote: »

If you move the back and forward while little pressure on the gear lever it will change gear to get it into neutral.

This works for most bike bar a few Kawasakis.

This worked perfectly - now much easier to move lol - also very pleased to see how wheels move very freely and brakes (front and back) are working great etc .... in fact the more I look at these two bikes the more I'm thinking it mightn't take much at all to get them going. I'm starting to get tempted to keep them .... (Oh God maybe I'm gonna turn into my dad lol!!)

kadman · 20-02-2020 8:03pm

alfa beta wrote: »

This worked perfectly - now much easier to move lol - also very pleased to see how wheels move very freely and brakes (front and back) are working great etc .... in fact the more I look at these two bikes the more I'm thinking it mightn't take much at all to get them going. I'm starting to get tempted to keep them .... (Oh God maybe I'm gonna turn into my dad lol!!)

First sign of a classic vehicle addict.
Wont be long before you get to....." Hi I am alfa beta, and i am a classic vehicle addict"

And its all down hill from there bud....:D:D:D

kadman · 20-02-2020 8:07pm

If you are tempted to kick it over. Dont lunge up on the kickstart
with all your weight at the start. If the engine is seized, you may do damage to the kickstart
mechanisim.Try foot pressure with your weight on the ground.

Its meant to take force when the engine is free. Its not built for full body weight on a seized engine.

alfa beta · 20-02-2020 8:11pm

kadman wrote: »

If you are tempted to kick it over. Dont lunge up on the kickstart
with all your weight at the start. If the engine is seized, you may do damage to the kickstart
mechanisim.Try foot pressure with your weight on the ground.

Its meant to take force when the engine is free. Its not built for full body weight on a seized engine.

Kicks down nicely with no forced weight. Sounds good too. As per above post I'm getting the impression that these two bikes mightn't take much to get them going. They have been covered up very well and were kept in a much drier building than the car so fingers crossed, they might be in good condition throughout.

kadman · 20-02-2020 9:03pm

alfa beta wrote: »

Kicks down nicely with no forced weight. Sounds good too. As per above post I'm getting the impression that these two bikes mightn't take much to get them going. They have been covered up very well and were kept in a much drier building than the car so fingers crossed, they might be in good condition throughout.

Looking good then.:)

kadman · 20-02-2020 9:14pm

Wont be long before you will be taking out the plug and cleaning it,
squirt a small drop of fuel into the chamber, putting back in the plug and kicking it.

It should fire if the sparkplug is good, and you have spark....

Of course make sure you are in neutral. If the bike pushes forward a few feet, with no engine revolving,
and freely, chances are you are in neutral.

The Red Ace · 20-02-2020 9:14pm

seeing as they are not seized you should start by looking into the fuel tank, if they have a varnish type smell they have had fuel in the past, if they look pristine probably never started. if they have had fuel in the past the tanks need a thorough cleaning and seeing as they are 2 stroke rusting may be minimum. Again if fuel has been added previously the carbs will need cleaning also as the jets are bound to be clogged. the tick over jet is usually hidden up under the main jet. don't forget two stroke oil for the, mix I would suspect a ratio of 25 to one.

WestWicklow1 · 20-02-2020 9:14pm

alfa beta wrote: »

This worked perfectly - now much easier to move lol - also very pleased to see how wheels move very freely and brakes (front and back) are working great etc .... in fact the more I look at these two bikes the more I'm thinking it mightn't take much at all to get them going. I'm starting to get tempted to keep them .... (Oh God maybe I'm gonna turn into my dad lol!!)

Keep at least one of them in memory of your Dad and pass it onto your own kids.

kadman · 20-02-2020 9:22pm

:D:D:D

kadman · 20-02-2020 9:47pm

This website might give you a realistic idea of the pricing you might consider,

https://www.classic-trader.com/uk/motorcycle/listing/mz/ts-150/1974/110941

Esel · 20-02-2020 9:53pm

If it has fuel in the tank, you will have to drain it, clean the fuel filter (if there is one), and remove, dismantle and clean the carburettor. As said above, check the condition of the tank interior too.

Put a small amount of two-stroke oil into the cylinder. Leave the spark plug out, and turn the engine over with the kick start a number of times.

Fresh petrol, and don't forget to add the correct amount of two-stroke oil as well (probably best to put this in before the petrol, to aid mixing). Use a high quality oil, not the cheapest you can find.

Change the gearbox oil too. Have a spare spark plug (or two) at hand. NGK is the best brand, be sure to get the correct ones.

If you drive it, when going downhill don't let it run for long with no throttle, as this means little (or no) fuel/oil is getting into the crankcase and cylinder - a recipe for disaster! Blip the throttle regularly with the clutch in to avoid this. As it uses pre-mix fuel, always carry a small container of two-stroke oil to use when filling the tank.

Also, you will surely need a new battery (possibly 6V rather than 12V?).

Don't try to start the engine until you have done the above.

[I'd say the Motors regulars here may be getting a bit bored with the slight thread hijack. Maybe post something about the Peugeot to keep them happy.

]

Jeff2 · 20-02-2020 11:04pm

Esel wrote: »

If it has fuel in the tank, you will have to drain it, clean the fuel filter (if there is one), and remove, dismantle and clean the carburettor. As said above, check the condition of the tank interior too.

Put a small amount of two-stroke oil into the cylinder. Leave the spark plug out, and turn the engine over with the kick start a number of times.

Fresh petrol, and don't forget to add the correct amount of two-stroke oil as well (probably best to put this in before the petrol, to aid mixing). Use a high quality oil, not the cheapest you can find.

Change the gearbox oil too. Have a spare spark plug (or two) at hand. NGK is the best brand, be sure to get the correct ones.

If you drive it, when going downhill don't let it run for long with no throttle, as this means little (or no) fuel/oil is getting into the crankcase and cylinder - a recipe for disaster! Blip the throttle regularly with the clutch in to avoid this. As it uses pre-mix fuel, always carry a small container of two-stroke oil to use when filling the tank.

Also, you will surely need a new battery (possibly 6V rather than 12V?).

Don't try to start the engine until you have done the above.

[I'd say the Motors regulars here may be getting a bit bored with the slight thread hijack. Maybe post something about the Peugeot to keep them happy. ]

That a great post and should be read a few times and important not to put much lubricant in the plug hole or you risk bending the conrod or cracking the piston.

Jeff2 · 20-02-2020 11:13pm

alfa beta wrote: »

This worked perfectly - now much easier to move lol - also very pleased to see how wheels move very freely and brakes (front and back) are working great etc .... in fact the more I look at these two bikes the more I'm thinking it mightn't take much at all to get them going. I'm starting to get tempted to keep them .... (Oh God maybe I'm gonna turn into my dad lol!!)

Damn I should have said nothing and offered you €200 for a bike.

alfa beta · 21-02-2020 2:01am

Thanks for all the advice on getting the bikes going folks - really appreciate it - I'm gonna stop posting about them here now though so this thread can return to its original 'classic car' purpose.

Now, I'm planning to try and uncover the Peugeot fully this weekend, so I'll hopefully post some more shots of it and also the VW Variant that some of you were interested in by Monday. There's also a Mercedes 190 (mid sixties) alongside the Variant - it's very tricky to get to as the cars are all squished together, but I'll see if I can get a couple of photos of that too. I really like that car - I remember sitting in the big plush red leather seats going through town when I was a kid and I remember the lovely solid thud the door made when you closed it ... It had a LPG conversion done too, in the 70's, which I imagine would have been quite unusual back then.

Anyway, once again, thanks everyone. This forum and the people here have been so helpful and friendly and enthusiastic about everything, I'm really really grateful. Have a great weekend and I'll try and get some decent pics of the old cars up soon

SmartinMartin · 21-02-2020 2:19am

A 190? This thread just gets better and better.

Esel · 21-02-2020 2:20am

Drooling at the thought of the old M-B 190! That could be worth a lot....

hi5 · 21-02-2020 9:36am

LPG was reasonably popular in the 70's My uncle had a few MK11 escort vans on the road at the time and all were converted to LPG, this was before diesel took over.

SmartinMartin · 21-02-2020 10:27am

Some of those kits were lethal.

CoBo55 · 21-02-2020 11:07am

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Some of those kits were lethal.

No they weren’t. Without the electronics, the kit you’d fit today is exactly the same as the ones from the 70’s. Compared to a egg shell rusty half full petrol tank I’d prefer my chances with a solid steel lpg tank.

The Red Ace · 21-02-2020 3:35pm

The same here re the gas conversions, had two different new petrol Hi Aces in the late 70s that ran really well on gas

Marlow · 22-02-2020 2:00am

NOTHING wrong with LPG. I've got a VW Caravelle from 2000 ... 2.8l VR6 engine ... sweet as a nut ... and the 80l LPG tank makes it seriously affordable to run.

Especially with the petrol station in Hudson Bay not taking the p*** on pricing.

People so underestimate a large'ish petrol engine on LPG. And the value for money running it. Especially classic and vintage cars with it.

/M

Hotblack Desiato · 22-02-2020 1:51pm

Well yeah, the road tax must be a killer on a pre-2005, non-vintage 2.8!

pablo128 · 22-02-2020 3:15pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Well yeah, the road tax must be a killer on a pre-2005, non-vintage 2.8!

Camper tax is quite cheap actually.:D

CoBo55 · 22-02-2020 3:21pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Well yeah, the road tax must be a killer on a pre-2005, non-vintage 2.8!

Camper...

scudster · 23-02-2020 9:26pm

A local publican down my way had a 504 as his daily driver up until about 6 or 7 years ago. Only reason he replaced it was because someone crashed into him.
His replacement car he got was an early 80s mk1 Jetta which he still drives. Car is parked out side his pub, Hughies.
https://goo.gl/maps/9SeRY1FpHzDwYrh37

kaizersoze · 23-02-2020 11:17pm

scudster wrote: »

A local publican down my way had a 504 as his daily driver up until about 6 or 7 years ago. Only reason he replaced it was because someone crashed into him.
His replacement car he got was an early 80s mk1 Jetta which he still drives. Car is parked out side his pub, Hughies.
https://goo.gl/maps/9SeRY1FpHzDwYrh37

:D Love it.

harr · 23-02-2020 11:21pm

scudster wrote: »

A local publican down my way had a 504 as his daily driver up until about 6 or 7 years ago. Only reason he replaced it was because someone crashed into him.
His replacement car he got was an early 80s mk1 Jetta which he still drives. Car is parked out side his pub, Hughies.
https://goo.gl/maps/9SeRY1FpHzDwYrh37

Is that him looking out over curtains

Jeff2 · 24-02-2020 12:11am

Alfa I know you want to get away from posts about the bikes but can you please pm me if you're selling them and where.

kadman · 24-02-2020 12:28am

Jeff2 wrote: »

Alfa I know you want to get away from posts about the bikes but can you please pm me if you're selling them and where.

I think the chap needs a chance to see if he gels with them,
before he makes a decision.:):)

But he should fek out that old tarts handbag of a variant, I'll drag it to the dump for him..:D:D:D:D

alfa beta · 24-02-2020 12:42am

Jeff2 wrote: »

Alfa I know you want to get away from posts about the bikes but can you please pm me if you're selling them and where.

Will do Jeff - but it'll be a good while before I do anything with them. Probably the summer time.

alfa beta · 24-02-2020 12:46am

kadman wrote: »

I think the chap needs a chance to see if he gels with them,
before he makes a decision.:):)

But he should fek out that old tarts handbag of a variant, I'll drag it to the dump for him..:D:D:D:D

Ha ha, started clearing away the junk in front of the variant earlier tonight to try and get some photos (specially for you Kadman!!) Didn't quite get the job done but hopefully back in there tomorrow evening to finish up and take a few pics.

kadman · 24-02-2020 12:49am

alfa beta wrote: »

Ha ha, started clearing away the junk in front of the variant earlier tonight to try and get some photos (specially for you Kadman!!) Didn't quite get the job done but hopefully back in there tomorrow evening to finish up and take a few pics.

Good to hear you are starting on the best of the bunch;):)

Jeff2 · 24-02-2020 1:04am

The 504 was some car and top gear video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6p7xmC88Do

scudster · 24-02-2020 9:14am

harr wrote: »

Is that him looking out over curtains

It is actually would ya believe. ðŸ˜†

Type 17 · 24-02-2020 7:08pm

harr wrote: »

Is that him looking out over curtains

scudster wrote: »

It is actually would ya believe. ��

On Google Street View, if you go back to 2011, the Jetta is still there, and he(?) is at the door with a keg on a hand-truck!

unkel · 24-02-2020 7:16pm

Hughie is famous now

Gaspode · 24-02-2020 7:42pm

He always was in Arva anyway!

alfa beta · 25-02-2020 12:14am

Made my trepidatious way back into the 'shed of dad stuff' tonight with the undoubtedly ambitious aim of clearing away enough junk to get better shots of the 504, the Variant and the old Merc.

Well I didn't get as far as I hoped. But, hey, I did what I could in one evening. The prob is, there's just so much stuff in that shed that it's a task in itself to gain any room from where you can stand and take a photo.

For what it's worth here's a few quick snaps of the VW. You can see the peugeot remained covered up (to the right of the VW) tonight. And while I didn't get to clear away stuff from the Mercedes, you can see the side of it in one of the photos.

Definitely a bloody big skip needed before I can do anything with these cars.

Anyone fancy a mid-eighties 850cc Daihatsu van btw .... it's sneaking into the background below lol

kadman · 25-02-2020 9:48am

Lovely old squareback.:)

I think your main problem is, you are spoilt for choice. What
to keep , and what to sell on, if any.

Squarebacks are a strange car as a classic. Your 67 is rare enough here,
but like I said in an earlier post, they dont have a major following here.
Maybe because of the rarity and cost of body panels if you can get them.

I have seen restored examples in the UK at way below 20k. I've seen
immaculate south african imports based in the UK sell for 8k. So its hard to pin a baseline on costs of a good one.

You would definitely be near double figure region of a resto on yours, if you only got a respray and an engine rebuild, without anything else.

Of course you could rat look it cheaper, if thats your thing.

If you want to see a later car, thats nearly finished for the road, call in and I will show you where the dreaded rust does its damage in these type 3's.

And you can find out all you need to know on these cars at

http://www.vwtype3and4club.org.uk/

Pretty sure the 67 one of these is a 6 volt battery.

zilog_jones · 25-02-2020 10:33am

alfa beta wrote: »

Anyone fancy a mid-eighties 850cc Daihatsu van btw .... it's sneaking into the background below lol

I'm sure someone would, anything like that is incredibly rare these days. Looks like a sixth generation Hijet, but may have had a different name here. Is it in anyway decent shape?

Just found this recently:

I've never been in a diesel car of this vintage - I wasn't expecting the manual glow plugs, idle control and fuel cutoff! Also: "low emissions", he says before pulling off in a cloud of smoke

Igotadose · 25-02-2020 10:36am

I wonder what the final count of motor vehicles will be for this garage. including the 2 motorcycles, is it 6 so far? And seemingly more to come? Great thread, very enjoyable.

alfa beta · 25-02-2020 10:53am

Igotadose wrote: »

I wonder what the final count of motor vehicles will be for this garage. including the 2 motorcycles, is it 6 so far? And seemingly more to come? Great thread, very enjoyable.

Peugeot 504 (new)
Volkswagen Squareback
Mercedes 190
Morris Eight
MG midget
mid-80's Daihatsu van
Ford 3000 tractor
2 MZ motorbikes (new)
Honda CX650 custom
Harley Davidson Sportster
Triumph Cub
2 x Honda 50s
Zetor 2511 tractor
Feguson Tractor
Kawasaki 250 ninja
+ 1950s Adler and BMW motorbikes in bits.
Oh and a couple of boats!!

He was some man for keeping stuff!!!

jonski · 25-02-2020 11:14am

STOP !!!

Stop what you are doing ... I have a new business venture idea .

First try and clear some pathways

Then charge people to come in and see what you found .

"Don't sit at home watching Documentary channels , get out of the house and come see my shed "

We can split the profits 50/50

PS: I owned a CX500 C for a few years and loved it . I don't really remember seeing the 650 version around Ireland .

Tacitus Kilgore · 25-02-2020 12:32pm

Daihastu seems to be a S70 Hijet (1981-1985 ish?)

Cool little sliced pan

New, unregistered Irish-bought car from 1976 - where do I start?

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