Suing VW over emissions scandal... Mod warning post 313

martco · 26-07-2016 9:40am #1

apols in advance if this posting in wrong location...

we are the owners of a diesel VW Golf which has been confirmed with having an engine code with the affected (lied about) emissions issue

we've had nothing from VW so far apart from a polite "sorry about that" letter and some vagueness about a program to "fix" the issue....I have formed the impression in my communications that VW Ireland at least are hoping the issue will gradually go away over time.

I read with interest a story on this mornings front page of the Irish Examiner that a solicitors called O'Dwyers in Ballyhaunis in Mayo have succeeded in getting court time to take VW to task over the affair and maybe extract compensation from VW. If you are affected you should check it out!

I have contacted O'Dwyers to see if it is possible to join the case and do something about this.

I just wanted to inform others to check this out and find out what were other peoples experiences in chasing down VW about this problem and a genuine solution with valu€

JoeA3 · 26-07-2016 9:46am

What solution are you looking for? A handy payout?

Ian_80 · 26-07-2016 9:49am

Yes, kind of curious to see how your financially impacted over this??

NIMAN · 26-07-2016 9:50am

afaik, VW have a timetable to get every affected car sorted. It might take a year or two to get them all done, but to be honest its not really affecting the performance of your car, it was only set to activate when the car was in a test sitation.

Also, it appears that the price of VW cars hasn't suffered due to the scandal. Secondhand values are holding and your car isn't worth any less.

To be honest, if it was me, I wouldn't bother trying to sue. What do you hope to achieve? Are you looking for a pile of money?

ted1 · 26-07-2016 9:51am

martco wrote: »

apols in advance if this posting in wrong location...

we are the owners of a diesel VW Golf which has been confirmed with having an engine code with the affected (lied about) emissions issue

we've had nothing from VW so far apart from a polite "sorry about that" letter and some vagueness about a program to "fix" the issue....I have formed the impression in my communications that VW Ireland at least are hoping the issue will gradually go away over time.

I read with interest a story on this mornings front page of the Irish Examiner that a solicitors called O'Dwyers in Ballyhaunis in Mayo have succeeded in getting court time to take VW to task over the affair and maybe extract compensation from VW. If you are affected you should check it out!

I have contacted O'Dwyers to see if it is possible to join the case and do something about this.

I just wanted to inform others to check this out and find out what were other peoples experiences in chasing down VW about this problem and a genuine solution with valu€

There is no class action cases in Ireland

opinionated3 · 26-07-2016 10:12am

Imo the various actions that are taking place against vw is pure opportunism. There is nothing wrong as such with the cars and their performance and resale value in this country at least is fine. People are just looking for a quick and easy handout of cash as far as i can see

my3cents · 26-07-2016 10:15am

opinionated3 wrote: »

Imo the various actions that are taking place against vw is pure opportunism. There is nothing wrong as such with the cars and their performance and resale value in this country at least is fine. People are just looking for a quick and easy handout of cash as far as i can see

A judge might agree with you leaving the opportunists to pick up their own legal bills. The solicitors won't be loosing out on this.

corglass · 26-07-2016 10:25am

martco wrote: »

apols in advance if this posting in wrong location...

we are the owners of a diesel VW Golf which has been confirmed with having an engine code with the affected (lied about) emissions issue

we've had nothing from VW so far apart from a polite "sorry about that" letter and some vagueness about a program to "fix" the issue....I have formed the impression in my communications that VW Ireland at least are hoping the issue will gradually go away over time.

I read with interest a story on this mornings front page of the Irish Examiner that a solicitors called O'Dwyers in Ballyhaunis in Mayo have succeeded in getting court time to take VW to task over the affair and maybe extract compensation from VW. If you are affected you should check it out!

I have contacted O'Dwyers to see if it is possible to join the case and do something about this.

I just wanted to inform others to check this out and find out what were other peoples experiences in chasing down VW about this problem and a genuine solution with valu

Why do you expect money? How have you suffered loss?

Those are questions VW will likely ask in defence. Have you good answers to these questions?

dashoonage · 26-07-2016 10:26am

I wish i had so little to do i could try get a few quid out of VW.

grogi · 26-07-2016 10:33am

martco wrote: »

apols in advance if this posting in wrong location...

we are the owners of a diesel VW Golf which has been confirmed with having an engine code with the affected (lied about) emissions issue

we've had nothing from VW so far apart from a polite "sorry about that" letter and some vagueness about a program to "fix" the issue....I have formed the impression in my communications that VW Ireland at least are hoping the issue will gradually go away over time.

I read with interest a story on this mornings front page of the Irish Examiner that a solicitors called O'Dwyers in Ballyhaunis in Mayo have succeeded in getting court time to take VW to task over the affair and maybe extract compensation from VW. If you are affected you should check it out!

I have contacted O'Dwyers to see if it is possible to join the case and do something about this.

I just wanted to inform others to check this out and find out what were other peoples experiences in chasing down VW about this problem and a genuine solution with valu€

If the neck stiffness wasn't enough - people are looking for suing like that.

I will tell you one thing - you did not suffer any loss unless you had VW shares. If you don't suffer any loss - save yourself time, effort and forget about it.

VW did not violate Euro5 nor Euro6 AFAIK - so there is hardly anything in Europe the authorities can do.

tossy · 26-07-2016 10:33am

Go to court and tell them how your life has been living hell since discovering your blue motion wasn't as blue as VW led you to believe ? A few victim impact statements from the relatives about the shame ?

Or you could just wait for VW contact you about the software upgrade and not be wasting your money and clogging up courts with nonsense

pippip · 26-07-2016 10:36am

If i was an owner of one of the effected cars the only compo i'd want would be if there was a reduction in mpg due to their "fix".

Or if motor tax went up as a result.

grogi · 26-07-2016 10:38am

pippip wrote: »

If i was an owner of one of the effected cars the only compo i'd want would be if there was a reduction in mpg due to their "fix".

Or if motor tax went up as a result.

Well - the figures they give only relate to results from NEDC test.

Your mileage might vary, literally - so you would have no ground to stand on, unless they cannot get that results from that test anymore...

Motortax is a good point - but we already got confirmation that the motortax rates will not change.

listermint · 26-07-2016 10:39am

pippip wrote: »

If i was an owner of one of the effected cars the only compo i'd want would be if there was a reduction in mpg due to their "fix".

Or if motor tax went up as a result.

Valid point.

Tbh VW are protected by Germany from any such litigation in Europe.

In the States they wouldnt get away with it, Just like the EU dont let Microsoft or Google away with anything here.

However VW conned the world with their cheating however there seems to be a load of people on here blaming the consumer.

Very weird altogether.

recyclebin · 26-07-2016 10:42am

The software 'fix' is going to have to effect the cars performance in some way.

SBPhoto · 26-07-2016 10:45am

Nothing will happen here in Ireland, you'll be only wasting your time and money, The Banks got away with a lot more.

dr.fuzzenstein · 26-07-2016 10:47am

martco wrote: »

I read with interest a story on this mornings front page of the Irish Examiner that a solicitors called O'Dwyers in Ballyhaunis in Mayo have succeeded in getting court time to take VW to task over the affair and maybe extract compensation from VW make a name for themselves, get their mug in the paper and make an absolute killing on this no matter what.

Fixed

mickdw · 26-07-2016 10:51am

Why all the love for vw?
They lied through their teeth then blamed a rouge engineer for the software cheat.
Anyone who can get anything from them should do so. The cars are not doing what they claimed and to be fair, if all manufacturers were allowed go this route, they may have come up with excellent products that would more than compete with vw.
Basically I believe that they have been illegally taking money out of everyone's pocket by trickery so if it costs them now, I certainly won't be crying.
In addition, I found the trade in offered to family here on a genuine passat was a few thousand less than expected and they had been changing every 3 years at pretty much known cost down through the years. After much shopping around they failed to improve too.
I think a case could be built if perhaps someone had evidence of other marques refusing to take a vw trade in ( - this was happening early days when the story broke. ) and general cost to upgrade costing more than in times gone by.

shietpilot · 26-07-2016 10:58am

mickdw wrote: »

In addition, I found the trade in offered to family here on a genuine passat was a few thousand less than expected and they had been changing every 3 years at pretty much known cost down through the years. After much shopping around they failed to improve too.

I bet it went something like this:

"Your car is in very good condition but we can only offer you €x000 due to the recent VW emissions scandal" - said by a VW dealership themselves.

mickdw · 26-07-2016 10:59am

NIMAN wrote: »

it was only set to activate when the car was in a test sitation.

You imply that all was good with cars apart from when in test situation.
It is in fact the other way around. The only time the cars met the emissions requirement was when in test situation. The cars are not capable of meeting the emissions standards while producing the power people now expect at a fuel efficiency people are accustomed to.
The suggested fix imo is a bigger fudge than the initial cheat. They are suggesting that a software update and a plastic tube in front of the air flow meter is all that is required to put this right and retain the same fuel efficiency and power.
As I say, looks like an even bigger lie than the first one.

JoeA3 · 26-07-2016 10:59am

It's nothing to do with a "love for VW". It's the brass neck looking for a free ride, a handy payout when really there's been no material loss or inconvenience that riles people.

A compo-culture mentality is unlikely to curry favour with anyone and a claim such as this would be laughed out of court... IMO.

Technoprisoner · 26-07-2016 11:01am

JoeA3 wrote: »

What solution are you looking for? A handy payout?

I find handy payouts the best type of payout myself

mickdw · 26-07-2016 11:01am

shietpilot wrote: »

I bet it went something like this:

"Your car is in very good condition but we can only offer you €x000 due to the recent VW emissions scandal" - said by a VW dealership themselves.

No. Would have got that in writing if they did.
Ford dealer tried it though.

NIMAN · 26-07-2016 11:05am

All manufacturers lie to a degree when telling you how efficient their cars are and how many mog they can get.

How many members of the public actually know what they do in these mpg tests? That they strip the car bare to make it lighter, that they tape up all air catching surfaces etc? Surely thats cheating from all the car makers?

neacy69 · 26-07-2016 11:06am

JoeA3 wrote: »

It's nothing to do with a "love for VW". It's the brass neck looking for a free ride, a handy payout when really there's been no material loss or inconvenience that riles people.

A compo-culture mentality is unlikely to curry favour with anyone and a claim such as this would be laughed out of court... IMO.

Surely there is a material loss for people who bought a product that was advertised with a particular feature (high mpg) and the it transpires it dose not have that feature and possibly now the value of the product is less that previously paid for and the rep of the product is affected

i'm not a vw owner...but if VW owners in America are entitle to compensation then why wouldnt Irish/UK/EU owners be

grogi · 26-07-2016 11:09am

NIMAN wrote: »

All manufacturers lie to a degree when telling you how efficient their cars are and how many mog they can get.

How many members of the public actually know what they do in these mpg tests? That they strip the car bare to make it lighter, that they tape up all air catching surfaces etc? Surely thats cheating from all the car makers?

They don't. There is a standard European test to test the consumption and they are obliged to give the figures from that test in the marketing materials.

It is not manufacturers fault that this test does not reflect real world usage pattern.

shietpilot · 26-07-2016 11:12am

NIMAN wrote: »

All manufacturers lie to a degree when telling you how efficient their cars are and how many mog they can get.

How many members of the public actually know what they do in these mpg tests? That they strip the car bare to make it lighter, that they tape up all air catching surfaces etc? Surely thats cheating from all the car makers?

I find it funny nobody really even knows how much MPG they are getting. I've heard plenty of people tell me their diesel car gets 60 MPG because it's what they saw on the brochure. In reality these cars achieve a lot less.

If you log onto Fuelly and have a look at some 1.6 TDI Golfs you will see the average fuel consumption across a range of different drivers is a lot lower.

For example:
2012 1.6 TDI Golf - 47.9 MPG
2011 1.6 TDI Golf - 48.6 MPG
2010 1.6 TDI Golf - 46.0 MPG

You don't see anyone making a fuss about it though!

listermint · 26-07-2016 11:16am

JoeA3 wrote: »

It's nothing to do with a "love for VW". It's the brass neck looking for a free ride, a handy payout when really there's been no material loss or inconvenience that riles people.

A compo-culture mentality is unlikely to curry favour with anyone and a claim such as this would be laughed out of court... IMO.

If someone was lied to about their vehicle, their vehicle is worth less than it should be come trade time surely there is a material loss no ?

Similar to a car being clocked.

Where is the 'easy money' in that.

FYI i dont own a VW i would never be caught dead in one.

bear1 · 26-07-2016 11:18am

martco wrote: »

apols in advance if this posting in wrong location...

we are the owners of a diesel VW Golf which has been confirmed with having an engine code with the affected (lied about) emissions issue

we've had nothing from VW so far apart from a polite "sorry about that" letter and some vagueness about a program to "fix" the issue....I have formed the impression in my communications that VW Ireland at least are hoping the issue will gradually go away over time.

I read with interest a story on this mornings front page of the Irish Examiner that a solicitors called O'Dwyers in Ballyhaunis in Mayo have succeeded in getting court time to take VW to task over the affair and maybe extract compensation from VW. If you are affected you should check it out!

I have contacted O'Dwyers to see if it is possible to join the case and do something about this.

I just wanted to inform others to check this out and find out what were other peoples experiences in chasing down VW about this problem and a genuine solution with valu€

What value would you be happy with?
VW fixes your car and gives you 70e to fill the tank as a gesture of good will, would it be enough for you?
We love a good compo situation though huh, let them fix the car and get on with your life.

maximum12 · 26-07-2016 11:20am

Customers have been mis sold a Car if the fix reduces performance, increases fuel consumption, reduces resale value or a combination of the above.

Competitors have been damaged because vw had lied to sell more of its product.

The Irish public, particularly in cities have been exposed to significantly higher levels of emissions as these cars are churning out significantly more nox than reported.

So there is 1. a consumer issue, 2. a competitive issue and 3. a public health issue.

I'm annoyed that the state is doing nothing about 3 but make laws about people not using their Brown bin properly.

Why people think there should not be consequences for vw in this country is beyond me. At a minimum there needs to be a hefty penalty to deter others.

TrailerBob · 26-07-2016 11:21am

If this had been a cover up of an issue that caused engine fires, or airbag deployment or some other dangerous thing, I could understand the idea of claiming. That is IF you had been the victim of one of these events.

But everybody was happily driving their VW TDIs around before this story broke, and most are still doing so now, with no difference whatsoever, or no fear of anything possibly happening that could harm them in any way. Until we see hard evidence of a sudden drop in resale values for VW, there won't be, or can't be a case for individual claims

JoeA3 · 26-07-2016 11:23am

listermint wrote: »

FYI i dont own a VW i would never be caught dead in one.

LOL.

So if you're flagging down a taxi on a wet Saturday night and a Skoda Superb pulls up you say "No thanks mate, wouldn't be seen dead in one of those!".

The smell of absolute bullsh1t is very strong.

zilog_jones · 26-07-2016 11:24am

The cars are not "as described" so arguably go against the Sale of Goods and Supply of Services Act - there is the expectation that the emissions in normal driving would be somewhat similar to what is produced in the standardised tests, but obviously they don't do that. I don't know how well that argument would work in court though, especially considering the failings of the NEDC tests.

Some people (apparently no one here) do actually care about the environment and would buy a car based on their low emissions. NOx emissions are one of the biggest causes of local pollution and contribute to respiratory problems, i.e. it has a direct effect on people unlike the wishy-washy vagueness of CO2 emissions. Air quality in cities in Europe are getting worse partially due to the increase in diesel car sales with their "chape tax" - taxing based on CO2 was a mistake IMO.

And yes, there's no way VW can "fix" these cars to make them compliant without either reducing performance or increasing fuel consumption - those are tangible losses. But I don't think we'll really know until the recalls are done.

listermint · 26-07-2016 11:25am

JoeA3 wrote: »

LOL.

So if you're flagging down a taxi on a wet Saturday night and a Skoda Superb pulls up you say "No thanks mate, wouldn't be seen dead in one of those!".

The smell of absolute bullsh1t is very strong.

Ah a skoda owner.

Sorry mate i wouldnt buy a Skoda or a VW. But hey dont let my personal choices impact yours.

Hey you know like people can be different if we were all the same then the world would be boring.

But sure abusing someone on the internet for their car choice, lets go with that.

:rolleyes:

JoeA3 · 26-07-2016 11:29am

listermint wrote: »

Ah a skoda owner.

Nope. Just someone who has a clue what he's talking about and has a slightly smaller tar brush.

duffman3833 · 26-07-2016 11:49am

owners shouldn't be able to claim, it didn't effect them or their lives. Id rater see they get their cars recalled and get it fixed and then let the state claim and get a a few bob from this and put it to better use like filling potholes

opinionated3 · 26-07-2016 11:53am

listermint wrote: »

Ah a skoda owner.

Sorry mate i wouldnt buy a Skoda or a VW. But hey dont let my personal choices impact yours.

Hey you know like people can be different if we were all the same then the world would be boring.

But sure abusing someone on the internet for their car choice, lets go with that.

:rolleyes:

Can i ask what would you buy? ?

opinionated3 · 26-07-2016 11:57am

listermint wrote: »

If someone was lied to about their vehicle, their vehicle is worth less than it should be come trade time surely there is a material loss no ?

Similar to a car being clocked.

Where is the 'easy money' in that.

FYI i dont own a VW i would never be caught dead in one.

They aren't worth less at trade in time ..the cars are running perfectly

kirving · 26-07-2016 12:33pm

The customer in these cases have suffered no loss, and in fact have gained though lower tax and increased power - at the expense of a bit of NOx and CO2. Be honest Martco, did you really care enough about either of those before you bought the car?

If you did care about the damage you done to the environment by diesel cars, you would have at the very least bought a Petrol car. If you cared so much that you want to sue over it, you should have bought a bicycle or got the bus.

If I were you, I'd be delighted that A) You got a better performing car with cheap tax, and

Your tax rate will not increase in Ireland even though it's been exposed.

The only ones who have a case here really are governments who lost tax revenue, and other manufacturers who lost out.

tossy · 26-07-2016 12:47pm

listermint wrote: »

Ah a skoda owner.

Sorry mate i wouldnt buy a Skoda or a VW. But hey dont let my personal choices impact yours.

Hey you know like people can be different if we were all the same then the world would be boring.

But sure abusing someone on the internet for their car choice, lets go with that.

:rolleyes:

That's a big u-turn from 'i wouldn't be caught dead in one' lol

Gazzmonkey · 26-07-2016 2:25pm

JoeA3 wrote: »

LOL.

So if you're flagging down a taxi on a wet Saturday night and a Skoda Superb pulls up you say "No thanks mate, wouldn't be seen dead in one of those!".

The smell of absolute bullsh1t is very strong.

Ahh you beat me too it, I was going to make fun too

tossy · 26-07-2016 2:34pm

Gazzmonkey wrote: »

Ahh you beat me too it, I was going to make fun too

A person without a VW in their life doesn't know what fun is...

bazz26 · 26-07-2016 2:37pm

Special Circumstances · 26-07-2016 2:49pm

tossy wrote: »

A person without a VW in their life doesn't know what fun is...

tossy · 26-07-2016 2:50pm

Special Circumstances wrote: »

All in Rathkeale white too

JJJJNR · 26-07-2016 2:59pm

Special Circumstances · 26-07-2016 3:05pm

tossy wrote: »

All in Rathkeale white too

It had crossed my mind to make that reference alright. They're mainly in Mercs now though.

I do think there should be some repercussions for VW in Europe too - although the whole system in effect here, and its focus on CO2 above all else is completely wrong. (That is, they've just been a bit creative with the truth here rather than actual fraud in the states)

I don't believe for one minute that the "fix" enables the emissions controls in any meaningful way without impacting economy and/or power.

listermint · 26-07-2016 3:14pm

JoeA3 wrote: »

Nope. Just someone who has a clue what he's talking about and has a slightly smaller tar brush.

Genuinely interested as to what brush i tarred your beloved Skoda with ? I just said i wouldnt be caught dead in one, that implies i would not buy one.

Why ? I think they are ugly as sin. Simple. Im sorry if that hurts ones delicate disposition.

opinionated3 wrote: »

Can i ask what would you buy? ?

Many many cars, I dont hold an affiliation.

I forgot this was Octavia fanboy land, its like walking on minefield in here.

tossy wrote: »

That's a big u-turn from 'i wouldn't be caught dead in one' lol

The problem with the internet is people are precious and take things very literally.

listermint · 26-07-2016 3:15pm

Kevin Irving wrote: »

The customer in these cases have suffered no loss, and in fact have gained though lower tax and increased power - at the expense of a bit of NOx and CO2. Be honest Martco, did you really care enough about either of those before you bought the car?

If you did care about the damage you done to the environment by diesel cars, you would have at the very least bought a Petrol car. If you cared so much that you want to sue over it, you should have bought a bicycle or got the bus.

If I were you, I'd be delighted that A) You got a better performing car with cheap tax, and Your tax rate will not increase in Ireland even though it's been exposed.

The only ones who have a case here really are governments who lost tax revenue, and other manufacturers who lost out.

Do you have any proof someone who comes back at trade time is not losing out?

Rather than just opinion.

I mean i have no proof either. But i am saying its a genuine concern. Enough of a concern for VW to take it seriously in the US, but they are protected here by the German high command in the EU. Molly coddled even.

JoeA3 · 26-07-2016 3:21pm

listermint wrote: »

Genuinely interested as to what brush i tarred your beloved Skoda with ? I just said i wouldnt be caught dead in one, that implies i would not buy one.

Read my post... I don't own a Skoda FFS :rolleyes:

I was simply trying to point out that your "I wouldn't be seen dead in..." statement is infantile playground stuff - and that's being kind.

listermint · 26-07-2016 3:22pm

JoeA3 wrote: »

Read my post... I don't own a Skoda FFS :roll eyes:

I was simply trying to point out that your "I wouldn't be seen dead in..." statement is infantile at best.

No i think it was your taking 'text' without the ability to visualise the sender as being literal as the problem here.

You do realise someone cant actually choose where they die ?

Since we are taking the sentence at face value.

Infantile ? lol

Suing VW over emissions scandal... Mod warning post 313

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