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Dark side of the ring

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭764dak


    Acknowledged Chris had died on that RAW and said it is a shock to everyone at the company and then held off for a week and done a tribute show on the following RAW maybe.

    So what else should have happened on that Raw episode besides acknowledging his death?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    764dak wrote: »
    So what else should have happened on that Raw episode besides acknowledging his death?

    A normal RAW the same as they do when the address the death of any former wrestler the must go on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭764dak


    A normal RAW the same as they do when the address the death of any former wrestler the must go on.

    The show must go on? That episode was supposed to be a special 3-hour Raw with Mr. McMahon's funeral.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,885 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    The roster were prob in shock after finding out what happened and theres no way they could of done a normal raw show that night


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    The Von Erichs episode.:(

    Kevin saying that he used to be able to say he was one of 5 brothers but now he can't even call himself a brother really rattled me.

    Insane level of grief for someone to have to go through.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Where is this available to watch?
    Thanks in advance!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    764dak wrote: »
    What should they have done?


    Best thing to do would be to cancel the show and reschedule. This should be protocol any time a member of the active roster dies suddenly. I know wrestlers want to pay tribute to one of their own, and they have a real 'show must go on' mentality, but it would be best at least to give it a week, to let the reality of the thing sink in and collect their thoughts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,885 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    you have to wonder what the hell was going through Benoits head at the time

    Did he not think Nancy and Daniel would be able to cope without him if he commited suicide (wish he would of done that of how it played out). He didnt even text/call his other children at the time of the supposed mental breakdown


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I'm very slow to criticise WWE in those kind of situations. In other things I'll do it but not in these situations because this is an active roster member dying. Owen hart they should have stopped the show but they didn't but they made the call they made.

    Eddie guerrero and Benoit and Pillman are different types of cases to Owen because they didn't die at an event. I mean they can't not acknowledge it but they also can't really go on as normal IMO. I mean the people I mentioned had friends in the locker room and you don't know are they up to wrestling.

    I know Jericho said it and I've said it that the William regal tribute was very different to the others the night of Benoits tribute. As far as I know he's never commented on it so only he knows what he knew and why he seemed different that night.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    you have to wonder what the hell was going through Benoits head at the time

    Did he not think Nancy and Daniel would be able to cope without him if he commited suicide (wish he would of done that of how it played out). He didnt even text/call his other children at the time of the supposed mental breakdown

    My likely version of events is him killing Nancy in a fit of rage, they'd been having troubles and he'd hit her before, then when he comes to his "senses" he decides Daniel would be better off dead than without his mother before finally himself since how in the hell could he live with what was done

    It's all idle speculation really except it's known when they all died


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,885 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    My likely version of events is him killing Nancy in a fit of rage, they'd been having troubles and he'd hit her before, then when he comes to his "senses" he decides Daniel would be better off dead than without his mother before finally himself since how in the hell could he live with what was done

    It's all idle speculation really except it's known when they all died

    Another sick crazy thing which was said in the episode was that he was 'looking up flights to get to the wwe event' after he done the murders


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    My likely version of events is him killing Nancy in a fit of rage, they'd been having troubles and he'd hit her before, then when he comes to his "senses" he decides Daniel would be better off dead than without his mother before finally himself since how in the hell could he live with what was done

    It's all idle speculation really except it's known when they all died

    This is what I think as well, but to add to it a little, it's hinted that Benoit was suicidal, based on his letters to his deceased friend Eddie Guerrero, writing, "I'll be with you again soon".

    So I think he'd planned on taking his own life, but could not see a way to do that peacefully. He was probably scared to die and of leaving Nancy and Daniel behind. Then he and Nancy have an argument, it escalates, maybe Nancy tells Chris to snap the f*ck out of his funk over Eddie, Chris sees red, kills Nancy, is then beside himself, but also sees a twisted way out where he, Nancy, Daniel and Eddie are reunited in Heaven.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    As those of us who watched the Benoit double episode there was a line in regards to Kevin Sullivan and it appears there was a lack of communication or communication mishap so Kevin Sullivan will be on Jim cornettes podcast on April tenth to have his say.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭764dak


    New Jack's episode seemed interesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 779 ✭✭✭bot43


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    As those of us who watched the Benoit double episode there was a line in regards to Kevin Sullivan and it appears there was a lack of communication or communication mishap so Kevin Sullivan will be on Jim cornettes podcast on April tenth to have his say.

    The producers said the reason Sullivan didn’t take part because he felt his participation would compromise Nancis family involvement.

    Gonna watch New Jack later. I assume it will only further the opinion that he is a absolute toe-rag.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭HanFiredFirst


    Kevin Sullivan has probably been the most respectful person in the whole thing from what I can see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭brianregan09


    New Jack what an absolute scumbag


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    bot43 wrote: »
    The producers said the reason Sullivan didn’t take part because he felt his participation would compromise Nancis family involvement.

    Gonna watch New Jack later. I assume it will only further the opinion that he is a absolute toe-rag.

    They did but it seems since the episode aired on both sides there was a miscommunication of what Kevin Sullivan assumed the producers would say and the producers may have misundetood his reasons why.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    New Jack what an absolute scumbag

    I've not seen the episode yet but nobody has ever said new jack was a saint of any description in fairness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    The New Jack episode wasn't really any good.

    Looking forward to next weeks one though The Brawl for All.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭Cherry_Cola


    Whatever about him as a person, New Jack had a great, believable character. You don't see that too much these days, aside from maybe Brock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Even though given it's still an open investigation and so people talking on the record sounded a challenge for the producers in their interview with Jim cornette the Dino bravo episode will be interesting because that's never added up. When I say never added up the fact that he was involved in certain activity meant we will never hear the truth unless someone talks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,885 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    New Jack no doubt has his demons and mental issues.

    The incident with the guy who lied about his age is odd as new jack was on the right side really but he showed no remorse and respect for the family esp when the guy passed away a few years after


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    New Jack is a real life GTA character.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    New Jack no doubt has his demons and mental issues.

    The incident with the guy who lied about his age is odd as new jack was on the right side really but he showed no remorse and respect for the family esp when the guy passed away a few years after

    I'm right in saying the guy passed away from issues around gastric band surgery and had nothing whatsoever to do with what happened that night in ECW. So while it's awful he died, I don't see how the two are in any way connected. Should new jack have payed his respects to the guys family when he died ? Maybe, but new jack doesn't strike me as that type of person but I don't see why he'd need to be remorseful.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭HanFiredFirst


    I found that New Jack episode boring really. New Jack does a lot of drugs and promoters let him wrestle high as fcuk of course crap is going to go bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Brawl for All is a great episode.

    Nice to see Droz on it.

    Bart Gunn as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Brawl for All is a great episode.

    Nice to see Droz on it.

    Bart Gunn as well.

    Yeah this episode showed a few things.

    It showed that JR is still pissed that his golden boy Steve Williams didn't win and he can say what he likes but the brawl for all was meant to be a way to get Dr Death over but it didn't work.

    It showed that vince Russo is fuller than a Christmas turkey and the years after his "success" have shown how bad he was and that vince McMahon for all the things you can say about him, he was the person in charge.

    Droz seems to be doing okay all things considered but damn is it sad to see. Even all these years later D'Lo brown is still cut up about it.

    Bart gunn sounds like sgt slaughter.

    That's the nearest I've seen Jim cornette cry on camera ever when he talked about wrestling being the most important thing is his life.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Bart Gunn came across as a normal and nice bloke, never crossed my mind that Butterbean was an intentional burial. I just thought Vince got ahead of himself on that at the time and thought Bart had a chance against a professional fighter.

    Jr came across as an arsehole shockingly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,885 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Bart Gunn came across as a normal and nice bloke, never crossed my mind that Butterbean was an intentional burial. I just thought Vince got ahead of himself on that at the time and thought Bart had a chance against a professional fighter.

    Jr came across as an arsehole shockingly.

    Hard to knw is the Russo vs Cornette rivalry a big massive work or do they do actually despise each other

    The brawl for all was an odd prospect but after seeing this I can see how it messed up the concept of pro wrestling toughness. Butterbean is a monster of a man and its scary how fast he won against Bart Gunn

    JR can be a 2 faced SOB when he wants too


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭supremenovice


    For all the relentless negativity and venom spewed at Vince Russo from all corners of Pro Wrestling, I thought he came across as very reasonable and balanced in that documentary. He admitted he wanted to stick it to JBL and see him get his head kicked in, and if I was in that locker room in 1998, I would have wanted that bully getting whipped too. After all, it was approved by the muppet at the top anyway, and even JR admitted he wasn't totally against it. OK, the Brawl for All turned out to be a disaster for everyone concerned but hindsight is great. Russo even felt remorse about seeing JBL get clocked by Bart Gunn after all the known concussion data out there now. I never hear Cornette show any of that humility in all his years mouthing off.
    If Brawl for All was announced today for the first time, as a brand new concept, I'd be all over that. It would be great to see those lads try and fight for real and see who genuinely is tough. Kind of like how Lesnar answered the question when he jumped to UFC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    That's a good idea for a thread.


    Which 16 wrestlers in the WWE today would you have in a 2020 Brawl for All.


    Winner faces Brock at WM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,885 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    That's a good idea for a thread.


    Which 16 wrestlers in the WWE today would you have in a 2020 Brawl for All.


    Winner faces Brock at WM.

    Bobby Lashley would be a strong contender
    Braun for his size
    Prob a few NXT guys on there roster and in development that would be decent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    That's a good idea for a thread.


    Which 16 wrestlers in the WWE today would you have in a 2020 Brawl for All.


    Winner faces Brock at WM.

    Someone on Reddit posted this a few hours ago...

    taqeppa08or41.jpg

    You'd have to fancy Riddle from that, I'd say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,885 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    J. Marston wrote: »
    Someone on Reddit posted this a few hours ago...

    taqeppa08or41.jpg

    You'd have to fancy Riddle from that, I'd say.

    Corbin could be strong enough in that too

    Feels odd saying something positive about him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,284 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    I'd say Joe could be a tough opponent as well.
    Who's the guy at the back of the right picture?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,885 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    I'd say Joe could be a tough opponent as well.
    Who's the guy at the back of the right picture?

    Tucker from Heavy machinery


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭Cherry_Cola


    Baron Corbin and Heath Slater both have won Golden Gloves for boxing. Jack Gallagher has victories in MMA so could be decent too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    How do we think Cesaro would do in there? I feel he's one tough mutha f'er. Strong as a horse too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Shelton would be a good shout.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 15,134 Mod ✭✭✭✭Furious-Red


    What was the idea of the Brawl for All concept? I wasnt watching wrestling till about 2000 onwards


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Blanco100


    Depends on the rules. If its boxing it will be a boxer

    If its MMA its going to be one of those guys.

    Lots of variables in order to decide.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    What was the idea of the Brawl for All concept? I wasnt watching wrestling till about 2000 onwards

    Russo wanted JBL to get his head knocked off.

    JBL kept saying in the locker room if this sh1t was real he would destroy them all.

    Russo got ****ed of him saying that and wanted the bully beaten up.

    Pitched the idea and Vince liked it and they decided it was a way to get Dr Death over.


    Everything back fired except for JBL getting knocked out cold.



    As it turns out knocking JBL out cold wasn't that hard as Joey Styles knocked him out cold too.

    For a bully JBL didn't seem to learn his lesson with guys knocking him out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭ThePott


    What was the idea of the Brawl for All concept? I wasnt watching wrestling till about 2000 onwards
    The episode explains it pretty well, if you wanna give it a watch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    What was the idea of the Brawl for All concept? I wasnt watching wrestling till about 2000 onwards

    I remember even at the time me and my mates talking about how it was a bad idea. Remember, heavyweight boxing was red hot at the time with Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis etc so everyone knew a good boxing match when they saw one.

    And then we had these clumsy wrestlers swinging handbags at each other.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭HanFiredFirst


    That was an excellent episode I wouldn't say it was a dark side of wrestling just a stupid side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    That was an excellent episode I wouldn't say it was a dark side of wrestling just a stupid side.

    LOL. That'd be a pretty packed series if they were ever to make it. Stupid Side of the Ring:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I'd watch that.

    The Stupid Side of the Ring.


    Sign me up now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭brianregan09


    If it ended up Riddle vs Lesnar now there'd be a good Mania spectacle


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Surely it'd be no contest - Big Show hands down the winner with that knockout punch of his. :pac:


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