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Ireland u20s 6 Nations and World Championahip 2020

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  • #392
    typhoony
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    But it is a bit ridiculous to say just one player is a "serious talent".

    you get maybe 1 or 2 serious talents every year, sometimes 3. the 2011 team was full of familiar names, other than Furlong and Henderson i'm not any of the others were serious talents. it all depends what your definition is, mine would be that they would be talented enough to become long standing Irish Internationals, this year's crop is no different and I'm not sure aherne would be in my consideration.


  • #393
    The Lost Sheep
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    typhoony wrote: »
    you get maybe 1 or 2 serious talents every year, sometimes 3. the 2011 team was full of familiar names, other than Furlong and Henderson i'm not any of the others were serious talents. it all depends what your definition is, mine would be that they would be talented enough to become long standing Irish Internationals, this year's crop is no different and I'm not sure aherne would be in my consideration.
    but "serious talent" is so vague. What makes you a serious talent and what isnt a serious talent?

    Anyway in response to fellas question in youths thread. There is two divisions not sure of who qualifies. In main division UCC well clear in 1st. Garryowen and con will be 2nd and 3rd. Order still to be confirmed. Shannon 4th and cookies 5th
    If like previous years they have winner of 2nd division playing one of the division 1 sides for an all Ireland spor then that will be old Crescent or bruff who are joint top of 2nd division.


  • #394
    Dubinusa
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    The goal would be to get as many professional players as possible. Each year would be different. The graduation to pro rugby and the quality wouldn't be known for 4 to 6 yrs. Some years the % would be fine and others years not so good.


  • #395
    Scottmactom
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    Chances the u20 world cup goes ahead look slim rn.. Same with the rest of the 6N


  • #396
    arsebiscuits1
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    That would be an absolute disaster for so many players.

    A lot of players probably have their various academy contracts sewn up but there's a lot who don't. They'd need as much game time as possible to 1) get as much footage together for any potential suitors and 2) this will be the only world cup/ the highest level that many of them will play at. Such a shame to not be able to play it


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  • #397
    The Lost Sheep
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    Adding onto my previous post
    Its UCC playing Con in Tralee on Sunday in cup final with the Plate final between Crescent and Bruff also in tralee.


  • #398
    [Deleted User]
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    Are all the u20 games cancelled?

    I see everything but Ireland v italy is still on

    https://www.sixnationsrugby.com/under-20/under-20s-fixtures-results/

    I don't fancy watching u20 for those teams


  • #399
    The Lost Sheep
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    Wales leading England 14-5. 45th minute. England with a scrum on Welsh 5m.
    Anyone watching


  • #400
    P.Walnuts
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    How on earth is that not a red?


  • #401
    The Lost Sheep
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    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    How on earth is that not a red?
    no idea. Couldnt be anything but red. Ref just ididnt want to give the red


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  • #402
    Hands Like Flippers
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    Will u20 match v France be cancelled?

    U18 6 nations tournament in Paris in April?

    Surely these could be played behind closed doors?


  • #403
    Squidgy Black
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    Hands Like Flippers wrote: »
    Will u20 match v France be cancelled?

    U18 6 nations tournament in Paris in April?

    Surely these could be played behind closed doors?

    They're still awaiting confirmation on the women's and U20 games.

    There seems to be little to no appetite from the unions to play any games behind closed doors at any level bar the Italians originally. I wouldn't be surprised if they are called off though.


  • #404
    The Lost Sheep
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    Surprised it's still going ahead but Wales Scotland in Colwyn Bay about to kick off on S4C


  • #405
    The Lost Sheep
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    Scotland 17-0 up after half an hour


  • #406
    The Lost Sheep
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    31-17 with 15 to go


  • #407
    The Lost Sheep
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    Unsurprisingly World championship set to be cancelled.
    https://www.the42.ie/world-u20-championship-cancelled-5051235-Mar2020/


  • #408
    Locke_Lamora
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    Disappointing, but unsurprising. I’m not sure who this would apply to in the Ireland squad, but I feel for any guys who were depending on making an impression to grab an academy place.


  • #409
    Scottmactom
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    Projecting where this years 20s's are next season:

    Prop
    Tom Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC) - Leinster Academy
    Charlie Ward(Tullow RFC/Clontarf) - Leinster Academy
    Harry Noonan(Greystones RFC/Old Wesley)
    Marcus Hanan(Clane RFC/Old Belvedere)
    Ryan McMahon(Clongowes/Old Belvedere)
    Ciaran Ryan(Rockwell/Cashel)

    Hooker
    Tom Stewart(BRA/Ballynahinch) - Ulster Academy
    John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere)
    Bobby Sheehan(Clongowes/UCD)

    Lock
    Tom Ahern(Waterpark RFC/Shannon) - Munster Academy
    Brian Deeny(Wexford RFC/Clontarf) - Leinster Academy
    Joe McCarthy(Blackrock/DUFC)(u19)
    Eoin O'Connor(Waterpark RFC/Young Munster) - Munster Academy
    Paddy Kelly(St. Munchins/Garryowen) - Munster Academy

    Backrow
    David McCann(RBAI/Banbridge) - Ulster Academy
    Sean O'Brien(Blackrock/UCD) - Leinster Academy
    Alex Soroka(Belvedere/DUFC)(u19) - Leinster Academy
    Cian Prendergast(Newbridge/UCD)
    Mark Hernan(St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - Leinster Academy
    Anthony Ryan(Clongowes/DUFC)
    Cian Hurley(CBC Cork/Garryowen)
    Josh Dunne(Exile/Galwegians) - Connacht Academy

    Scrumhalf
    Lewis Finlay(Down HS/Malone) - Ulster Academy
    Ben Murphy(Pres Bray/Clontarf)(u19)
    Conor McKee(Sullivan Upper/Queens)(u19)

    Outhalf
    Jack Crowley(Bandon/Cork Con) - Munster Academy
    Tim Corkery(Kilkenny RFC/UCD)(u19)
    Cathal Forde(Coláiste Iognáid/Corinthians)(u19) - Connacht Academy

    Centre
    Hayden Hyde(Exile/Queens) - Ulster Academy
    Dan Kelly(Exile/Leicester)(u19) - Leicester Tigers Academy
    Luis Faria(Wanderers/DUFC)
    Harry O'Riordan(CBC Cork/UCC)(u19)

    Back Three
    Aaron Sexton(Down HS/Queens) - Ulster Academy
    Oran McNulty(Exile/Corinthians) - Connacht Academy
    Andrew Smith(St. Michaels/Clontarf) - Leinster Academy
    Ethan McIlroy(Methody/Queens) - Ulster Academy
    Niall Comerford(Blackrock/UCD)
    Max O'Reilly(St. Gerards/DUFC)
    Diarmuid Kilgallen(Roscrea/Galwegians) - Connacht Academy
    Ben Moxham(Ballymena/Ballymena)(u19)


  • #410
    Waternut
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    Munster, Ulster and Connacht should really look at some of the players not being offered an spot in Leinster's academy.

    O'Reilly might be a good fit at Munster. Corkery is a promising young outhalf and might benefit more, say in Ulster's academy. The same with McCarthy in the second row.


  • #411
    Scottmactom
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    Waternut wrote: »
    Munster, Ulster and Connacht should really look at some of the players not being offered an spot in Leinster's academy.

    O'Reilly might be a good fit at Munster. Corkery is a promising young outhalf and might benefit more, say in Ulster's academy. The same with McCarthy in the second row.

    Corkery & McCarthy will still be involved with leinster next season. If they don't get full academy places next season they'll be in the sub academy.. Both are in college in dublin and u20 next season. Corkery isnt 19 until December IIRC.

    Rumoured McCarthy may get a full academy offer next session wait and see.

    O'Reilly could well look at another province with Connacht being the most obvious, but wouldnt surprise me to see him go in the direction of 7's.


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  • #412
    Locke_Lamora
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    Thought McCarthy looked brutish at times and played very well for a u19. Leinster already have quite a few young 2nd rows, but I think there's a good chance McCarty could end up better than a couple and I wouldn't think they would want to lose him easily.

    Leinster might have a bit of a log-jam in the back three very soon. Smith looks nailed on for an academy place and there are at least three very good wingers/fullbacks at u19 level who are more than good enough for an academy place somewhere. Then there's Turner, O'Sullivan and Sylvester already in the set up.


  • #413
    Scottmactom
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    Agree on McCarthy, which is why he could join leinster academy officially next season.

    I dunno about log-jam in the back three, Silvester/O'Sullivan are going into year 3 of the academy and haven't really shown much to date, need to make an impression on their return to the setup. Turner looks to be viewed as more a 13 at the moment.

    I'd consider there to be two standout back three players at u19 level at the moment from a leinster point of view and both are at least a year away physically from being ready for pro rugby in my eyes.

    Right now if you had to pick a back three from leinster academy players and underage prospects, you'd have to choose Smith and the two U19 prospects over a back three of Silvester, O'Sullivan and Turner IMO.

    Also given leinsters somewhat spotty record in developing top tier back three players, Larmour excluded, it's cant be assumed Smith or the U19 players will reach their potential.


  • #414
    Waternut
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    I get the attraction of staying in Leinster, with college etc and I accept both Corkery and McCarthy are young. Leaving aside club loyalties, wouldn't it be beneficial if say Ulster approached both and offered them s full time academy place and a clear path to game and untimately a faster path to a professional contract. Let's be honest, Leinster are stacked at outhalf and second row.
    Curiosity, who are the two standout U19 back three? I feel its a position Leinter and Munster could add a little more depth.


  • #415
    Scottmactom
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    The attraction of playing for your home province is huge, Ulster can offer the chance at potentially progressing faster but theres no guarantee. I just don't see it being appealing enough to leave their current situation with leinster etc.

    Plus any offer from Ulster would likely result in both of them getting academy offers from Leinster and again your can't just write off that these players grew up wanting to play for Leinster, not Ulster.

    Wouldn't be the first time Leinster underage players were approached and wouldn't be the last. Can't think of many who took the risk of leaving when staying with Leinster was still an option.

    Cosgrave and Osborne and both are Leinster bound.

    Munster have their own back three players coming through.


  • #416
    Scottmactom
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    Possible Ireland U20 XV for next season:

    1. Jack Boyle(Leinster)
    2. Tom Stewart(Ulster)
    3. Oscar Egan(Ulster)
    4. Alex Soroka(Leinster)
    5. Joe McCarthy(Leinster)
    6. Will Hickey(Leinster)
    7. Oisin McCormack(Connacht)
    8. Alex Kendellan(Munster)
    9. Nathan Doak(Ulster)
    10. Tim Corkery(Leinster)
    11. Aaron Leahy(Munster)
    12. Karl Martin(Leinster)
    13. Marcus Kiely(Leinster)
    14. Jamie Osborne(Leinster)
    15. Chris Cosgrave(Leinster)


  • #417
    Locke_Lamora
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    Scottmactom wrote: »
    Possible Ireland U20 XV for next season:

    1. Jack Boyle(Leinster)
    2. Tom Stewart(Ulster)
    3. Oscar Egan(Ulster)
    4. Alex Soroka(Leinster)
    5. Joe McCarthy(Leinster)
    6. Will Hickey(Leinster)
    7. Oisin McCormack(Connacht)
    8. Alex Kendellan(Munster)
    9. Nathan Doak(Ulster)
    10. Tim Corkery(Leinster)
    11. Aaron Leahy(Munster)
    12. Karl Martin(Leinster)
    13. Marcus Kiely(Leinster)
    14. Jamie Osborne(Leinster)
    15. Chris Cosgrave(Leinster)

    Thanks, who do you think are the likely standouts which positions do you think there might be the most competition in?

    And is Soroka seen as a 2nd row long-term for Leinster?


  • #418
    Scottmactom
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    Locke_Lamora wrote: »
    Thanks, who do you think are the likely standouts which positions do you think there might be the most competition in?

    And is Soroka seen as a 2nd row long-term for Leinster?

    very strong competition in backrow.. good competition in the centre aswell too.

    good depth at hooker and 9.

    concerns about competition at prop and depth at lock.

    On soroka, I think leinster are looking at him as a blindside long term, very highly rated in leinster.


  • #419
    Buer
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    With the prevalence of young locks in Leinster (Ryan x 2, Baird, Dunne), I can see Soroka playing blindside at senior level. He's quite light for someone of his height currently. No doubt he'll put on 8-10kg if he goes through a full academy cycle but I don't see him ever being a 115kg lock whilst guys like Charlie Ryan (108kg after 1 year in academy) and Jack Dunne (112kg after 2 years in the academy) are likely to be those types of guys.

    I can see him competing for the likes of Josh Murphy (who is taller, according to stats on Leinster/Irish rugby profiles) to be the line out option in the backrow, mirroring the likes of Kevin McLaughlin which would be no poor result for him.


  • #420
    Scottmactom
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    Yeah Soroka could easily start at 6 in this team.. if some other locks emerge.. but due to the large number of quality backrowers, I'd see him probably playing at 4.


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  • #421
    Scottmactom
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    Possible Irish U20 squad next season:

    LH Prop
    Mark Donnelly(CBC/Garryowen/Munster)
    Hugo O'Malley(Blackrock)
    George Saunderon(Sullivan/Ulster)
    Jack Boyle(St. Michaels/Leinster)(u19)

    TH Prop
    Oscar Egan(Coleraine/Ulster)
    Sam Illo(Wesley/Old Wesley/Leinster)
    Paddy McAlpine(Campbell/Ulster)

    Hooker
    Tom Stewart(BRA/Ballynahinch/Ulster)
    Lee Barron(St. Michaels/Leinster)
    Eoin De Buitlear(Corinthians/Connacht)
    Ronan Loughnane(Roscrea/UCD)

    Lock
    Joe McCarthy(Blackrock/DUFC/Leinster)
    Alex Soroka(Belvedere/DUFC/Leinster)
    Darragh Murray(Buccaneers/Connacht)
    Matthew Sands(Newry RFC/Armagh/Ulster)

    Backrow
    Alex Kendellan(PBC/Munster)
    Will Hickey(St. Michaels/Leinster)
    Oisin McCormack(Galwegians/Connacht)
    Diarmuid McCormack(Clongowes/Connacht)
    Donnacha Byrne(Sligo/Connacht)
    Rueben Crothers(Wallace/Ulster)(u19)

    Scrumhalf
    Nathan Doak(Wallace/Ulster)
    Ben Murphy(Pres Bray/Clontarf/Leinster)
    Conor McKee(Sullivan/Queens/Ulster)
    Rob Gilsenan(St. Michaels/UCD)

    Outhalf
    Tim Corkery(Kilkenny RFC/UCD/Leinster)
    Cathal Forde(Corinthians/Connacht)
    Cian Whooley(CBC/Munster)
    Charlie Tector(Kilkenny)(u19)

    Centre
    Harry O'Riordan(CBC/Munster)
    Marcus Kiely(Newbridge/Leinster)
    Shane Jennings(Galwegians/Connacht)
    Ben Carson(Wallace/Ulster)(u19)
    Karl Martin(Boyne RFC/Old Belvedere/Leinster)(u19)

    Back Three
    Chris Cosgrave(St. Michaels/Leinster)
    Jamie Osborne(Naas RFC/Leinster)
    Aaron Leahy(CBC/Munster)
    Josh O'Connor(Wexford RFC/UCD/Leinster)
    Conor Rankin(Campbell/Ballynahinch/Ulster)
    Ben Moxham(Ballymena/Ulster)


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