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BBQ Hut/Shelter

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    #92
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,015 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    oleras wrote: »
    Should i go for the M8 ? WRT lenght, post is 90 and beam is 44, so have to cover at least 135mm, could probably go for the 150mm and no trimming required ?

    Is the length from the top of the cap or the bottom ?

    You need to leave enough space for the nut and washer, so I'd stick with 160mm to be safe.

    M10 is great but I assume you have a 10mm drill bit to make the holes?


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    #93
    oleras
    Registered Users Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭oleras


    Lumen wrote: »
    You need to leave enough space for the nut and washer, so I'd stick with 160mm to be safe.

    M10 is great but I assume you have a 10mm drill bit to make the holes?

    Sure do.


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    #94
    oleras
    Registered Users Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭oleras


    Admiring my handy work today and noticed this...:mad:

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    Somehow the screws seem to have split one of the posts, i didnt predrill, didnt think there would be a need, used 100mm wood screws.

    Its a good thing i will be through bolting them.

    Should i replace this one, even flip it over and have that end in the base clamped or will it be ok ?

    Was it my fault or the wood ?


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    #95
    Mellor
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    I would have drilled a pilot hole for the 100mm screws.
    It's probably ok as you are bolting through. I wouldn't flip as you want the strength at the base.
    Maybe have a look from the top, to the the extent/width the entire crack. If it's wide enough a bit of waterproof wood glue poured down from top wouldn't hurt.

    Drill and bolt the M8/M10s, filled crack with glue, remove offending screw, tighten bolts and clean glue from face.


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    #96
    oleras
    Registered Users Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭oleras


    Came home from work this morning to check the other posts as i had read that it was common enough for preserved wood to split.

    These posts i had predrilled as i was using concrete screws to attach to the gable.

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    The general consensus seems to be it is what it is.

    Is this common ? Should i complain to the timber yard ?


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    #97
    listermint
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    Most likely they aren't seasoned enough and the hot weather and constant sunshine is accelerating the moisture loss.

    Personally I don't think it's a concern.


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    #98
    Lumen
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    It's normal for wood to crack a little along the grain.

    Generally it's not a problem in something like a post or beam because you're relying on the wood's resistance to tension, compression or bending, none of which are affected by cracks unless they run the whole length and depth.

    I doubt that crack is going to widen enough for the post to pull away from the wall - there won't be enough force in that direction.

    Did you countersink the pilot holes?


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    #99
    chooseusername
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    oleras wrote: »
    Admiring my handy work today and noticed this...:mad:

    IMG-20200514-170730.jpg

    Somehow the screws seem to have split one of the posts, i didnt predrill, didnt think there would be a need, used 100mm wood screws.

    Its a good thing i will be through bolting them.

    Should i replace this one, even flip it over and have that end in the base clamped or will it be ok ?

    Was it my fault or the wood ?
    Glue as said, then bolt across the crack first,
    maybe 2 m8 s in load bearing beam (the one with the joist hangers) avoiding the split.
    Square the frame before drilling holes.
    edit; remove offending screw first


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    #100
    jack of all
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    Mightn't be a bad idea to coat the end grain (top of posts in particular) with a bit of water based paint (acrylic satinwood maybe) to prevent over rapid drying out in this weather and longterm should prevent moisture ingress, maybe?


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    #101
    beggars_bush
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    Will make a great space for drying clothes


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    #102
    Mellor
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    beggars_bush wrote: »
    Will make a great space for drying clothes

    The missus might not appreciate the smell of smoke :pac:


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    #103
    oleras
    Registered Users Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭oleras


    Eventually got the fixings i ordered Saturday, 24hr delivery me arse.

    I can see how these may improve structural integrity alright !

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    A tad better than the 100mm wood screws i was using !


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    #104
    oleras
    Registered Users Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭oleras


    I stained the joists and purlins last week and started the roof also.

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    Bondex ebony was the colour i think.

    Then onto sheeting and Flashing, the flash band had me concerned, very few tutorials on youtube but in the end was not as bad as i had expected, could be better like most stuff, but im happy enough with it.

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    Half the sheets up this evening,

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    Certainly not sparing the screws !

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    #105
    beertons
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    Beautiful.


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    #106
    listermint
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    Should collect the water of the back into a gutter into ab water butt for the lawn.


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    #107
    2nd Row Donkey
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    Great photos, are you a photographer?


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    #108
    jack of all
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    Good job, looks very well and the photos are very good also- too good for this thread! The amount of new threads that are started in this forum with no photos or photos so badly taken as to be useless is always a source of amusement for me. You'll get plenty of use out of that this summer, well wear!


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    #109
    s7ryf3925pivug
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    Afaik, you need planning permission for a permanent shelter like that if the total area of it along with your detached garage and any sheds or greenhouses etc is greater than 25 square metres.

    [We would do something along the same lines on our patio were it not for that, so I'd be quite happy to be found to be wrong on this.]


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    #110
    GreeBo
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    Looks great..I'm almost afraid to ask, but which way is the fall on the roof?

    Normally I'd expect it to be away from the house, hence afraid to ask! :o


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    #111
    listermint
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    Looks great..I'm almost afraid to ask, but which way is the fall on the roof?

    Normally I'd expect it to be away from the house, hence afraid to ask! :o

    You see there is really clear pictures.... right ??


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    #112
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    Looks like a good place to wash/service the car too!


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    #113
    g6fdyotp5nj2l7
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    GreeBo wrote:
    Looks great..I'm almost afraid to ask, but which way is the fall on the roof?

    Have you not looked at the photos :-)
    Well done OP looks great


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    #114
    GreeBo
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    Jessie Angry Sign wrote: »
    Have you not looked at the photos :-)
    Well done OP looks great

    I did, but it wasnt clear if that last photo is camera angle or slope of roof.


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    #115
    Mellor
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    Macy Numerous Hood wrote: »
    Afaik, you need planning permission for a permanent shelter like that if the total area of it along with your detached garage and any sheds or greenhouses etc is greater than 25 square metres.

    That is incorrect


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    #116
    Mellor
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    I did, but it wasnt clear if that last photo is camera angle or slope of roof.

    The fall in the direct of the joists. Parallel to the house.


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    #117
    GreeBo
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    Mellor wrote: »
    The fall in the direct of the joists. Parallel to the house.

    OP any reason you went with this fall rather than away from the house?
    Easier to flash I guess?


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    #118
    oleras
    Registered Users Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭oleras


    GreeBo wrote: »
    OP any reason you went with this fall rather than away from the house?
    Easier to flash I guess?

    Purely aesthetics, wanted to keep the lines from the garage, thats what its attached to, this is the view from the back door and where we would sit outside.

    Fall is to the rear, gutter will catch the rainwater.

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    #119
    oleras
    Registered Users Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭oleras


    2nd Row Donkey wrote: »
    Great photos, are you a photographer?

    Thanks ! No, afraid not.


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    #120
    GreeBo
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    oleras wrote: »
    Purely aesthetics, wanted to keep the lines from the garage, thats what its attached to, this is the view from the back door and where we would sit outside.

    Fall is to the rear, gutter will catch the rainwater.
    Bah, aesthetics!!
    What sort of guntherer do you call yourself! :D

    Looks well and makes sense to have the lines as you have them.

    Are you going to put anything on the front of the roof to stop rain blowing up and over?


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    #121
    oleras
    Registered Users Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭oleras


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Bah, aesthetics!!
    What sort of guntherer do you call yourself! :D

    Looks well and makes sense to have the lines as you have them.

    Are you going to put anything on the front of the roof to stop rain blowing up and over?

    Not 100% concerned with water ingress, to an extent, obvs dont want it p1ssing down the gable of the garage wall.

    When the roof is finished I still have to clad the rear and the left hand side in shiplap, i may stop 300mm short of the top on the rear and put some lattice type trellis or frame mosquito netting simply for airflow.

    Half thinking of putting a sliding type barn door to the front if i do enclose it, part security and part to stop debris blowing in and getting trapped in corners,


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