BBQ Hut/Shelter

moonshadow

Concrete screws through whatever your using and joist hanger if a decent length of joist or if 4x2 sit on top and fix directly.

oleras

€1600 ordered between structure, wood, roof, fixings and cladding.

The €200 on an impact driver last week is between us...shshhhhh

oleras

It begins !

The drama that is...no doubt the first of many issues.

Right, the 4x4 posts i ordered seeming come in 95mm sq.

The post holders are 100mm sq...




Would packers made from the posts themselves be ok or will i get 5mm stainless plates to fill the voids ? Whats the best way to fill the gaps ?

GreeBo

This will help explain what happened...lumber has nominal and actual sizes...
http://mistupid.com/homeimpr/lumber.htm

Can you just return the post holders and get the correct size?

Rows Grower

GreeBo wrote: »

This will help explain what happened...lumber has nominal and actual sizes...
http://mistupid.com/homeimpr/lumber.htm

Can you just return the post holders and get the correct size?[/QUOTE]

Absolutely the right thing to do.

oleras

GreeBo wrote: »

This will help explain what happened...lumber has nominal and actual sizes...
http://mistupid.com/homeimpr/lumber.htm

Can you just return the post holders and get the correct size?

Thats what they have, 2 different yards, 100mm holders and 95mm posts. :rolleyes: oh well...lol

Edit, just checked, yeah, posts are closer to 90mm

oleras

Rows Grower wrote: »

GreeBo wrote: »

This will help explain what happened...lumber has nominal and actual sizes...
http://mistupid.com/homeimpr/lumber.htm

Can you just return the post holders and get the correct size?[/QUOTE]

Absolutely the right thing to do.

Rang both guys again and was informed they start life as 100mm, but between planing and pressure treating they end up 90mm...post supports still come in 100mm ? ?

Its either pack them out or buy 75mm post holders and cut them down ?:pac:

Mellor

You could pack each out with two/four slices off the bottom of the post. But getting a better size match would be better.

oleras

Mellor wrote: »

You could pack each out with two slices off the bottom of the post.

Thats what i was thinking, i have to take 300mm from the posts in the rear to account for fall so have offcuts.

Class MayDresser

I'd pack them out as a last resort on the blind sides, are you fixing them to the wall as well?

Rows Grower

If you ordered 4x4 and he sent out 95mm x 95mm without explaining what he had I'd be telling him to come and collect them and refund the money.

GreeBo

oleras wrote: »

Thats what they have, 2 different yards, 100mm holders and 95mm posts. :rolleyes: oh well...lol

Edit, just checked, yeah, posts are closer to 90mm

I'd just return them for a refund and get them somewhere else so...they are pretty common. (B&Q have 'em!)...and I wouldnt be too impressed with your supplier.
Id check that the nuts fit the bolts you bought!

oleras

Class MayDresser wrote: »

I'd pack them out as a last resort on the blind sides, are you fixing them to the wall as well?

2 will be against a wall, may not even use the supports for them when i can bolt directly into the gable.

I also intend driving 2 50mm coach screws into each post through the sides.

Unfortunately the likes of B and Q are still closed, although i am not in a massive hurry i am wiling to compromise somewhat on aesthetics, not on safety obvs.

The actual bottom of the posts will be hidden with shiplap so it is just aesthetic.

CJhaughey

Pack them and put big coach screws in the holes to secure them.

mjp

Look forward to seeing it all when finished. Following as planning on doing same attached to our garage.

Lumen

I've been caught out by that before with framing timber. Goodwins (who are otherwise great to deal with) just give you whatever they have in the yard, which might be rough sawn or PAO.

Cue much swearing....

Class MayDresser

oleras wrote: »

2 will be against a wall, may not even use the supports for them when i can bolt directly into the gable.

I also intend driving 2 50mm coach screws into each post through the sides.

Unfortunately the likes of B and Q are still closed, although i am not in a massive hurry i am wiling to compromise somewhat on aesthetics, not on safety obvs.

The actual bottom of the posts will be hidden with shiplap so it is just aesthetic.

I'd just pin them to the wall, chase the Bell cast out of the rendering(or notch the back of the uprights), and stop them half inch short of the ground. Each to their own though.

looksee

I had a helluva job getting post holder and timber to match - you'd think no one thought...oh lets make them in matching sizes. In the end, on two separate jobs I ended up with one post trimmed a bit and on the other some packing.

oleras

Thanks for all the replies folks, its a learning curve and hopefully any issues that arise will make it easier for anyone else planning something similar.

Hope you are not in a rush mjp..:pac:

Lumen

I saw this on FB and thought of this thread.

oleras

Still in the planning stage, may actually attach a post to a wall over the next few days...:pac:

Speaking of roofs...

Rather than have a plain one under the perspex im thinking of making a feature of it, something like this, spacing the purlins closer together to act as a sunshade yet still let in light and painting/staining the rafters a different colour to the purlins.

Class MayDresser

The noise of rain on a perspex roof next to the house would annoy me. That looks class, would they make noise in a wind being so close together?

oleras

Class MayDresser wrote: »

The noise of rain on a perspex roof next to the house would annoy me. That looks class, would they make noise in a wind being so close together?

Its not near the house, will be attached to a garage. I have a conservatory with a poly roof, and although it can be loud in heavy rain showers, doesnt bother me that much. Wind noise, i dont know to be honest.

Gloomtastic!

Anyone any idea how an outdoor room, with open access on one or more sides, is affected by planning permission?

Lumen

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

Anyone any idea how an outdoor room, with open access on one or more sides, is affected by planning permission?

AFAIK it's the same as any other structure. Presumably without walls they'll just count the floor area as the area under the roof (with walls it's the interior floor area).

Mellor

It’s considered a shade/awning and subject to a 25sq.m limit (combined with the area of other exempt shed etc)

GreeBo

oleras wrote: »

Still in the planning stage, may actually attach a post to a wall over the next few days...:pac:

Speaking of roofs...

Rather than have a plain one under the perspex im thinking of making a feature of it, something like this, spacing the purlins closer together to act as a sunshade yet still let in light and painting/staining the rafters a different colour to the purlins.

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If you make them taller/deeper then they don't need to be close together to cast shade due to angle of the sun...

oleras

Kept to my word and attached a post to a wall !

Chopped away the rain apron on the masonary so i could get a snug fit with the post, also removed a piece of the post support, again, so it would snug up.





I then kinda dry fit the main box shape trying to square it all, and in doing so came across a few things i want to do differently. Trying to get it square will be the hardest, that dwarf wall to the rear is as straight as my elbow...

Most of it came back down and i will give it another go tomorrow.

That first joist nearest the gable, undecided if i should put 3 or 4 4x4 blocks in behind it to fix it to the gable or attach a separate joist between the posts to the gable.

Lumen

What's the plan for the roof? It is going to be covered or open? Right now it seems like you're aiming for a brise soleil.

beertons

Were you pumping up the leaf blower in the first pic?

Only kidding, I'm jealous.