The 2020 U.S. Election Irregularities.

King Mob · 13-11-2020 6:11am

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

A conspiracy to commit election fraud? No, of course not.
.

Ok. So you believe Enno99 is incorrect.
Cool.

V8 Interceptor · 13-11-2020 6:27am

King Mob wrote: »

Also that's only less that a million.

Trump's only 60k behind in Pennsylvania.

How about the claim that despite there being way more mail in ballots this time and people doing it for the first time, there's 30 times less rejections in PA?

2016: 266,208 cast. 2,534 rejected. Just under 1%

2020: 2.6m cast. 951 rejected. 0.03%

Guy:Incognito · 13-11-2020 9:42am

enno99 wrote: »

LOL
The crooked hag conceded

You love avoiding questions. Who calls elections? I'm fairly sure the participants dont get to any more than the media or anyone else. Again, is trump a crazy nutter for declaring himself the winner this time?

King Mob · 13-11-2020 11:26am

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Trump's only 60k behind in Pennsylvania.

Trump has claimed that 2.7 million of his votes were vanished.
Do you believe this claim?
What evidence has trump provided for it?

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

How about the claim ...

How about we stick to the claims already made for which we have yet to see any support for.

It's a common dishonest tactic for conspiracy theorists to throw out random new claims to avoid talking about the previous ones.
This is usually due to the fact that the claims don't stand up to any level of scrutiny or questioning.

I asked you several questions in that post you quoted. Please answer them all.
If you can't answer them, please say so.

Movementarian · 13-11-2020 11:39am

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Trump's only 60k behind in Pennsylvania.

How about the claim that despite there being way more mail in ballots this time and people doing it for the first time, there's 30 times less rejections in PA?

2016: 266,208 cast. 2,534 rejected. Just under 1%

2020: 2.6m cast. 951 rejected. 0.03%

More time is being given for cure periods for ballots given the global pandemic that is going on. Pennsylvania also passed legislation that mail ballots cannot be immediately rejected for slight signature discrepancies and as above more efforts are being made to ensure the voters have a chance to correct or verify these.

Just do some research for yourself and you will see this has already been discussed multiple times online.

Movementarian · 13-11-2020 11:43am

enno99 wrote: »

Fact checkers
I think ill pass

It’s no wonder that the public has so little faith in the fact-checkers. A 2016 Rasmussen poll found that an astonishing 62% of American voters think the fact-check-ers are biased.

https://www.newsbusters.org/fact-checkers

Those pesky facts, the bane of the Trump fans

Movementarian · 13-11-2020 11:47am

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Regarding numbers Giuliani says there are now 623,000 confirmed unlawful ballots in PA and 320,000 confirmed unlawful ballots in MI.

He seems to be arguing that all late ballots were thrown in with others so they're all "contaminated" and will all have to be disregarded.

I take it somewhat seriously if not deadly. I've seen people taken in by a lot over the last few years that the established narrative told them to be the case so often naivety can go the other way.

So explain something to me, Giuliani says that with no evidence to back it up, just straight out says there is thousands of unlawful ballots. No evidence or anything.

The actual state secretaries, election officials and the goddamn Department of Homeland Security along with the judges in various courts (mix of Democrats and Republicans across the board) in republican and democrat states all say there is no credible evidence of illegal voting or systemic fraud.

And in your mind, you go "Hmm well I think Giuliani might have a point here".....

REALLY?!

CountNjord · 13-11-2020 11:53am

My sense is that if the count was actually wrong, and there was an actual lot of hookie shenanigans going on people would prefer to see Trump loose even if it means that he doesn't get in.

Now if my observation is true,then we've a series societal problem on our hands.

If the herd mentality think it's ok for dishonestly and wrong doing is acceptable in order to swing a vote.
Then democracy is an absolute failure and people are not progressing, rather they're corrupted and blindsided by their hatred of Trump...

If it's going to be fair, nobody should have an issue with a recount or indeed another election.

Because if Biden felt he was cheated out of the election and wanted it to be looked at, you'll have a lot of riot's and and American would be on the verge of chaos's.

I'm A political but call a spade a spade...

King Mob · 13-11-2020 12:10pm

CountNjord wrote: »

My sense is that if the count was actually wrong, and there was an actual lot of hookie shenanigans going on people would prefer to see Trump loose even if it means that he doesn't get in.

And this is based on...?

Do you agree with Trumps claim that 2.7 million of his votes were made to vanish? And that the rest of Biden's lead is the result of fraud?
What evidence did he present that convinced you specifically?

Also, what if the unthinkable has happened and Donald Trump actually lied and made false unsupported claims to benefit himself.
Do you think that's a bad thing? Or is that dishonestly and wrong doing acceptable?

Dohnjoe · 13-11-2020 12:21pm

In a joint statement US election officials have just stated that the election was "most secure in US history"
https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election

Fox news has even warned viewers that Trump's election claims are false, of course Trump is now turning on the station, which has been his mouthpiece. Apparently this is the hill he's chosen to die on.

China have just sent their congrats to Biden, who is currently on (projected) 290, and highly likely a total of 306 once Georgia is called.

King Mob · 13-11-2020 12:37pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

In a joint statement US election officials have just stated that the election was "most secure in US history"
https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election

Fox news has even warned viewers that Trump's election claims are false, of course Trump is now turning on the station, which has been his mouthpiece. Apparently this is the hill he's chosen to die on.

China have just sent their congrats to Biden, who is currently on (projected) 290, and highly likely a total of 306 once Georgia is called.

So the CISA, China and Fox News are all part of the conspiracy now too I suppose.

All media outlets around the world.
All Democrats.
All the government leaders who've congratulated Biden.
The judges who've already ruled against some of Trump's bull**** lawsuits.
All the counters in the election
All the agencies behind the counting.

Missing anyone?

CountNjord · 13-11-2020 12:43pm

King Mob wrote: »

And this is based on...?

Do you agree with Trumps claim that 2.7 million of his votes were made to vanish? And that the rest of Biden's lead is the result of fraud?
What evidence did he present that convinced you specifically?

Also, what if the unthinkable has happened and Donald Trump actually lied and made false unsupported claims to benefit himself.
Do you think that's a bad thing? Or is that dishonestly and wrong doing acceptable?

It's only an observation I never suggested that I had fact's to back up my post.
Nor do I need to.

I don't agree with Trump, because he didn't say anything to me so as to have a disagreement.

Now if we start a circular discussion just because you have taken my post and told me how I'm supposed to think rather than giving me the right to observe.
Then my post is valid in its own contradiction..
You've proven my point of view.

My post as an observation, should be left there as an observation, I didn't suggest that I have fact's to back it up.

We all know how dishonest and narcissistic DonaldTtrump is, he's the most popular person on the planet.
All for the wrong reasons

King Mob · 13-11-2020 12:52pm

CountNjord wrote: »

It's only an observation I never suggested that I had fact's to back up my post.
Nor do I need to.

Ok. Why do you believe that your "observation" is accurate, likely or plausible?
How is your "observation" different from pure fantasy?

CountNjord wrote: »

I don't agree with Trump,

Ok. So he was lying about voter fraud. Great.

CountNjord wrote: »

Now if we start a circular discussion just because you have taken my post and told me how I'm supposed to think rather than giving me the right to observe.
Then my post is valid in its own contradiction..
You've proven my point of view.

None of this makes any sense I'm afraid.
I did not such thing.

CountNjord · 13-11-2020 1:13pm

King Mob wrote: »

Ok. Why do you believe that your "observation" is accurate, likely or plausible?
How is your "observation" different from pure fantasy?

Ok. So he was lying about voter fraud. Great.

None of this makes any sense I'm afraid.
I did not such thing.

It's okay I think we're reading from different hymn sheet's.
You're a debater I'm an observer.
Was never good for understanding people who suggest that I'm living in fantasy world lol my observations are plausible or accurate.

That kind of conversation only lead's to frustrating explaining until one of us gets carded for going off topic or off on personal tangents because one of us are in it for being right rather than just accepting the other has the right to to be wrong.

Anyhow my observation isn't important.

I'n a nutshell if the democrats felt there was something wrong with the count, it's their right to investigate.

I don't believe the media, you'll hear all kinds of stories and legends etc

So if I start looking for proof to validate my opinion,I'll be trawling sites posting up links, you'll read them and say nope.

I'll go back and find ten articles each and every one contradicting each other with supposedly solid fact's and we'll be going around in circles for the pure ****s and giggles of the entertainment of the rest of the readers here.

King Mob · 13-11-2020 1:16pm

CountNjord wrote: »

It's okay I think we're reading from different hymn sheet's.
You're a debater I'm an observer.
Was never good for understanding people who suggest that I'm living in fantasy world lol my observations are plausible or accurate.

That kind of conversation only lead's to frustrating explaining until one of us gets carded for going off topic or off on personal tangents because one of us are in it for being right rather than just accepting the other has the right to to be wrong.

Anyhow my observation isn't important.

I'n a nutshell if the democrats felt there was something wrong with the count, it's their right to investigate.

I don't believe the media, you'll hear all kinds of stories and legends etc

So if I start looking for proof to validate my opinion,I'll be trawling sites posting up links, you'll read them and say nope.

I'll go back and find ten articles each and every one contradicting each other with supposedly solid fact's and we'll be going around in circles for the pure ****s and giggles of the entertainment of the rest of the readers here.

This is mostly empty rambling I'm afraid.

Your observation isn't any different from fantasy.
You might as well be claiming Trump's a lizard person.

CountNjord · 13-11-2020 1:50pm

King Mob wrote: »

This is mostly empty rambling I'm afraid.

Your observation isn't any different from fantasy.
You might as well be claiming Trump's a lizard person.

Look King Mob, you've already decided that you're right, and I've observed that.
So take your opinion and keep it.
As I'll enjoy my fantasy about Your suggestion that Trump's a Lizard King...

He's not the only reptilian in politics, there's two dinasaurs up for the mantle, so let's sit back and enjoy the show

King Mob · 13-11-2020 1:58pm

CountNjord wrote: »

Look King Mob, you've already decided that you're right, and I've observed that.

Again, you could just explain why you think your "observation" is accurate.

But I think it's clear that you don't actually have a good reason to think it is.
It's no different from making things up.

This makes it not "observation" but "creative writing".
You can try hiding that with wise and enlightened sounding waffle, but that's not actually going to help you sound very convincing or credible.

CountNjord · 13-11-2020 2:07pm

King Mob wrote: »

Again, you could just explain why you think your "observation" is accurate.

But I think it's clear that you don't actually have a good reason to think it is.
It's no different from making things up.

This makes it not "observation" but "creative writing".
You can try hiding that with wise and enlightened sounding waffle, but that's not actually going to help you sound very convincing or credible.

Thanks I'll stick to creative writing and stay out of politics.
I don't like these discussions amyhow.
I'm not the best of debaters and creative writing would suit me better.

No harm in our discussion, at least a conclusion for me to realise I'm better off away from politics and immerse myself in fantasy suit's me better.

Thanks for pointing out the creative writing , maybe a satire political forum would be great fun...

You're here longer than I, would you think a sub forum for political satire and fantasy would be a good idea ???

King Mob · 13-11-2020 2:10pm

I find it very odd how many people like to flounce in here, make a claim, then declare they aren't here for discussion and don't have to answer any questions before vanishing again.

enno99 · 13-11-2020 3:38pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

In a joint statement US election officials have just stated that the election was "most secure in US history"
https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election

Fox news has even warned viewers that Trump's election claims are false, of course Trump is now turning on the station, which has been his mouthpiece. Apparently this is the hill he's chosen to die on.

China have just sent their congrats to Biden, who is currently on (projected) 290, and highly likely a total of 306 once Georgia is called.

From your link

. There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=6000+vote+glitch&t=brave&ia=web

Glitch or feature time will tell

China says Biden won :eek:

CountNjord · 13-11-2020 4:45pm

King Mob wrote: »

I find it very odd how many people like to flounce in here, make a claim, then declare they aren't here for discussion and don't have to answer any questions before vanishing again.

You're totally off your chuck, and deeply imbedded in American politics

I made an observation and said I've no fact's to back up my observation.

Then you go down the road of obsessively trying to bait me into a discussion of which I openly admitted I was having a personal observation and had no fact's.

Bíodh ciall agat!

enno99 · 13-11-2020 8:02pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Ah, there it is.

There what is ?

Dohnjoe · 13-11-2020 8:06pm

enno99 wrote: »

There what is ?

You not sitting on the fence for once. You support Trump, and the whole "crooked" Hillary thing, correct?

Or you prefer to stay on that fence?

enno99 · 13-11-2020 8:09pm

CountNjord wrote: »

You're totally off your chuck, and deeply imbedded in American politics

I made an observation and said I've no fact's to back up my observation.

Then you go down the road of obsessively trying to bait me into a discussion of which I openly admitted I was having a personal observation and had no fact's.

Bíodh ciall agat!

Welcome to the CT forum.

enno99 · 13-11-2020 8:25pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You not sitting on the fence for once. You support Trump, and the whole "crooked" Hillary thing, correct?

Or you prefer to stay on that fence?

LOL she was a crook before trump ever brought it up

probably best for another thread but have a look

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBlSynguD0vanqruwm6O9DRmOnODZvFGj

100s of hours of video discussing her and her minions corruption
All have links provided in the comments of public documents ie Tax filings, registration papers of lack of
and assessed by Ortel and others who know how to read these documents

Charles Ortel describes it as the largest unprosecuted charity fraud in history

The earlier videos would have more documents the later ones just go over the same ground explaining in more detail

enno99 · 13-11-2020 8:44pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSKm8bDopyg

jump To 47 min and watch for a while give you an idea of his approach

sabat · 13-11-2020 9:07pm

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I had to look up what "safe harbor" meant in this context-I guess it's a reference to this law:

If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned.

That's interesting, and might be the path Trump is aiming for. In my reading of it, if he can sway the electors in a particular state, there's not a whole lot that can be done to legally stop them .

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/5

enno99 · 13-11-2020 9:17pm

sabat wrote: »

I had to look up what "safe harbor" meant in this context-I guess it's a reference to this law:

That's interesting, and might be the path Trump is aiming for. In my reading of it, if he can sway the electors in a particular state, there's not a whole lot that can be done to legally stop them .

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/5

Now you see why they dont claim anything hes doing is unconstitutional

Nazi Dictators dont usually follow the law do they

Dohnjoe · 13-11-2020 9:18pm

enno99 wrote: »

LOL she was a crook before trump ever brought it up

Lol, that's your personal view. I never particularly liked Hillary, but there's some amount of utter nonsense online ranging from corruption to child trafficking. Likewise, I don't support conspiracy nonsense about Trump either, as much as I might dislike the guy, there is stuff out there that is patently untrue.

banie01 · 13-11-2020 9:23pm

enno99 wrote: »

Now you see why they dont claim anything hes doing is unconstitutional

Nazi Dictators dont usually follow the law do they

They do though, the Nazi party came to power legally.
Assumed ever expanding powers legally.
The road to many totalitarian regimes starts with legal and "fair" means.
Legalism is a facet of totalitarian rule that is embraced by all flavours of dictator and wannabe dictator.

Dohnjoe · 13-11-2020 9:24pm

sabat wrote: »

That's interesting, and might be the path Trump is aiming for. In my reading of it, if he can sway the electors in a particular state, there's not a whole lot that can be done to legally stop them .

Yup, if he loses the democratic process in a state, he's going to try and nullify it via an extreme electoral college loophole. He's literally trying to find a legal caveat to avoid democracy, it's actually happening. His ego, and obsession with being branded a failure is mind-blowing. If he doesn't concede, the next few weeks are going to be very interesting..

enno99 · 13-11-2020 9:26pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Lol, that's your personal view. I never particularly liked Hillary, but there's some amount of utter nonsense online ranging from corruption to child trafficking. Likewise, I don't support conspiracy nonsense about Trump either, as much as I might dislike the guy, there is stuff out there that is patently untrue.

Charles Ortel has openly asked for anyone that can find fault in his work to contact him and he will address it

Futureislands · 13-11-2020 9:29pm

Trump speaking at the ŔOSE garden soon. .
He'll be dropping some bombshells.
Never bet against Trump.
It ain't over til it's over

Dohnjoe · 13-11-2020 9:33pm

enno99 wrote: »

Charles Ortel has openly asked for anyone that can find fault in his work to contact him and he will address it

That's cool, and how is the legal case going?

Is this demonstrated in a court of law, or the court of "someone says it on the internet"?

enno99 · 13-11-2020 9:33pm

banie01 wrote: »

They do though, the Nazi party came to power legally.
Assumed ever expanding powers legally.
The road to many totalitarian regimes starts with legal and "fair" means.
Legalism is a facet of totalitarian rule that is embraced by all flavours of dictator and wannabe dictator.

AOC, Leftists Call for “Lists” of Trump Supporters, Want Them to “Burn”

https://thenewamerican.com/aoc-leftists-call-for-lists-of-trump-supporters-want-them-to-burn/

Packing the courts etc

This kind of stuff like ?

enno99 · 13-11-2020 9:35pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

That's cool, and how is the legal case going?

Is this demonstrated in a court of law, or the court of "someone says it on the internet"?

Trumps DOJ will have 4 more years to get round to it

V8 Interceptor · 13-11-2020 9:36pm

King Mob wrote: »

Trump has claimed that 2.7 million of his votes were vanished. Do you believe this claim? What evidence has trump provided for it?

I never mentioned that claim. I said 600+k and 300+k in PA. I told you Guilliani is claiming late invalid ballots.

King Mob wrote: »

It's a common dishonest tactic for conspiracy theorists to throw out random new claims to avoid talking about the previous ones. This is usually due to the fact that the claims don't stand up to any level of scrutiny or questioning. I asked you several questions in that post you quoted. Please answer them all. If you can't answer them, please say so.

Lol. I'm a conspiracy theorist now for just asking questions. I never said they were true or false, I don't know which is why I'm putting them up here.

banie01 · 13-11-2020 9:43pm

enno99 wrote: »

AOC, Leftists Call for “Lists” of Trump Supporters, Want Them to “Burn”

https://thenewamerican.com/aoc-leftists-call-for-lists-of-trump-supporters-want-them-to-burn/

Packing the courts etc

This kind of stuff like ?

You see that shít flies in the US because of incredibly weak privacy laws.
Luckily we live in a jurisdiction with far stricter personal data protections.

What does that have to do with the point you made, I refuted and that you have swerved with whataboutery?
Totalitarian regimes and specifically the Nazi's came to power legally.

enno99 wrote: »

Nazi Dictators dont usually follow the law do they

They clearly do, they did and funnily enough Trump's attempt to avail of safe harbour is precisely that.
A legal approach to retain and expand power despite not having a democratic mandate.

V8 Interceptor · 13-11-2020 9:49pm

Movementarian wrote: »

Pennsylvania also passed legislation that mail ballots cannot be immediately rejected for slight signature discrepancies

Now that is interesting.

Movementarian wrote: »

and as above more efforts are being made to ensure the voters have a chance to correct or verify these.

Movementarian wrote: »

More time is being given for cure periods for ballots given the global pandemic that is going on.

Lots of changes for this election I see.

Movementarian wrote: »

Just do some research for yourself and you will see this has already been discussed multiple times online.

May I ask, what is the point of this message board? Why do you think I posted it?

CountNjord wrote: »

It's only an observation I never suggested that I had fact's to back up my post. Nor do I need to.

Apparently this message board has taken on the role of a forensics department. You'll find the old message board has moved to Garda HQ, Phoenix Park.

V8 Interceptor · 13-11-2020 9:52pm

King Mob wrote: »

So the CISA, China and Fox News are all part of the conspiracy now too I suppose.

All media outlets around the world.
All Democrats.
All the government leaders who've congratulated Biden.
The judges who've already ruled against some of Trump's bull**** lawsuits.
All the counters in the election
All the agencies behind the counting.

Missing anyone?

One guy:

November Golf · 13-11-2020 9:58pm

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

One guy:

Perhaps he was referring to the republicans gerrymangering congressional districts.

V8 Interceptor · 13-11-2020 10:00pm

Electoral fraud is electoral fraud. It seems there's quite a bit of it in the U S of A.

enno99 · 13-11-2020 10:01pm

https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1327298145085218817

https://twitter.com/HansMahncke/status/1326557113502535684

Hardly inspires confidence

David Shafer, Chairman of the Georgia Republican Party said GOP observers are limited to one credentialed monitor for each ten counting tables.

Dohnjoe · 13-11-2020 10:03pm

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Electoral fraud is electoral fraud. It seems there's quite a bit of it in the U S of A.

Apart from isolated cases it's actually remarkably rare in the US.

As audits and checks come in, we're not seeing any evidence of systemic fraud in this election whatsoever, one of the largest in US history. Quite the opposite.

Dohnjoe · 13-11-2020 10:04pm

enno99 wrote: »

Hardly inspires confidence

Is there a conspiracy here or just validating your political beliefs with vague allusions?

V8 Interceptor · 13-11-2020 10:05pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Apart from isolated cases it's actually remarkably rare in the US. As audits and checks come in, we're not seeing any evidence of systemic fraud in this election whatsoever, one of the largest in US history. Quite the opposite.

Lets hope so. Someone should tell Biden's COS!

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-11-2020 10:07pm

enno99 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1327298145085218817

https://twitter.com/HansMahncke/status/1326557113502535684

Hardly inspires confidence

David Shafer, Chairman of the Georgia Republican Party said GOP observers are limited to one credentialed monitor for each ten counting tables.

And how many Dem observers are allowed? How many independent observers are allowed?

Why should the Republican Party be allowed more? How many is enough? Should they have one per table?

Dohnjoe · 13-11-2020 10:12pm

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Lets hope so. Someone should tell Biden's COS!

Or the current US president, who is baselessly labelling the current and past election as rigged, and has thousands of recorded falsehoods to his name

Or I guess that part is okay, unless he was on "the other side". Interesting how some people see things through such a distorted partisan prism they are unable to apply any context to a situation..

Anyway back to the conspiracies on this, or lack there of..

enno99 · 13-11-2020 10:18pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And how many Dem observers are allowed? How many independent observers are allowed?

Why should the Republican Party be allowed more? How many is enough? Should they have one per table?

Yep Dem GOP and independant there lots of volunteers I would presume

why not

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-11-2020 10:25pm

enno99 wrote: »

Yep Dem GOP and independant there lots of volunteers I would presume

why not

Each gets a set amount, only the Republicans screamed "unfair" and wanted unlimited numbers. During a global pandemic do you really think that every table should have 4 people in close vicinity of each other for hours on end?

The 2020 U.S. Election Irregularities.

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