The 2020 U.S. Election Irregularities.

V8 Interceptor

According to Rudy the State Legislature says that ballots cannot be cast after polling closes. Sounds quite normal to us here on this side of the Pond but America's a strange place.

Have you got that Schmedlab UPS guy's recording?

Dyr

enno99 wrote: »

Fact checkers
I think ill pass


It’s no wonder that the public has so little faith in the fact-checkers. A 2016 Rasmussen poll found that an astonishing 62% of American voters think the fact-check-ers are biased.

I'm enjoying the current thing of riffing on google political officer notes on tweets

https://twitter.com/Austin_G_Wilson/status/1326931190369177600

https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1326938255749771267

Dohnjoe

enno99 wrote: »

LOL
The crooked hag conceded

Ah, there it is.

Dohnjoe

enno99 wrote: »

Georgia to audit election, plans full hand recount

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2020/nov/12/georgia-to-audit-election-plans-full-hand-recount/?news

BREAKING: Michigan GOP state senators demand full audit of 2020 election results

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-michigan-state-senators-demand-full-audit-of-2020-election-results

A full audit is a little more than a recount

More than half the counties in Arizona have completed their audits and found no evidence of systemic fraud. No irregularities found in Maricopa county. Officials also took a sample of 4,239 votes in Pina county and found a 2 vote discrepancy. Trump claimed "'From 200,000 votes to less than 10,000 votes. If we can audit the total votes cast, we will easily win Arizona also!" - so what's going on? why isn't that happening? is there a chance he's making all this up? nah, can't be..

As audits and checks are processed in other battleground states, and Americans (and others) actually start learning how robust their voting and vote-counting system is, I strongly suspect that those who insist there is voting fraud will start seizing on isolated individual cases (e.g. where someone has managed to vote twice) and claiming that's what swung 10k or 20k votes, calling it now

V8 Interceptor

DohnJoe what do you make of the late ballot claim? That thousands of ballots arrived at polling stations after polls had closed?

King Mob

enno99 wrote: »

Fact checkers
I think ill pass

Mantra of the Trump camp.

V8 Interceptor

To be fair to Enno, the MSM and facts often are at odds with one another. A healthy dose of skepticism is not a bad thing.

Dohnjoe

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

DohnJoe what do you make of the late ballot claim? That thousands of ballots arrived at polling stations after polls had closed?

Which claim specifically? (Trump has made dozens in reference to electoral fraud)

If it's for late ballots in general; in around half of US states they can be counted as long as they are post-marked 3rd November or before. Some states don't count votes which arrive after voting day

As for ballots that arrive late missing certain info and post-marks in PA for example, the Supreme Court ruled they can be counted as long as there is sufficient evidence they were posted on or before election day

Dohnjoe

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

To be fair to Enno, the MSM and facts often are at odds with one another. A healthy dose of skepticism is not a bad thing.

It's not skepticism, or anything close to it. There is no basis for claims of systemic fraud, these claims are (so far) completely unfounded. In reality, Trump and his team are trying to undermine the voting system and democracy in their country by flinging as much mud and nuisance litigation at the process and hoping some of it sticks. Nothing is sticking. He pulled these same stunts in 2016.

V8 Interceptor

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's not skepticism, or anything close to it. There is no basis for claims of systemic fraud, these claims are (so far) completely unfounded.

So far are the important words. We cannot rule it out because if something genuine arises in the coming days we'll look rather foolish for categorically ruling it out.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

In reality, Trump and his team are trying to undermine the voting system and democracy in their country by flinging as much mud and nuisance litigation at the process and hoping some of it sticks. Nothing is sticking.

Well Sir if that's the case then the process will be duly vindicated. We don't have to wait long.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

He pulled these same stunts in 2016.

But he won in 16.

If this was the other way around would Joe be holding out as advised to by Hillary?

King Mob

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

To be fair to Enno, the MSM and facts often are at odds with one another. A healthy dose of skepticism is not a bad thing.

That dose being "assume there's a massive global conspiracy to have fraudulent votes counted and that this conspiracy involves all media networks, most world leaders and a sizable portion of the American government."

That isn't healthy skeptism.

Do you think that it's plausible that all media outlets (specifically the ones who have called the election for Biden) are involved in a conspiracy together against Trump?

Dohnjoe

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

So far are the important words. We cannot rule it out because if something genuine arises in the coming days we'll look rather foolish for categorically ruling it out.

We can't rule out a baseless claim? Yes we can. It can be ruled out immediately - what can be assumed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

An incumbent is claiming systemic voter fraud by the opposition, but hasn't presented any credible basis for that whatsoever.

Well Sir if that's the case then the process will be duly vindicated. We don't have to wait long.

Yes, but not before he potentially does damage to the US democratic systems and process via his core supporters who blindly believe every claim he makes regardless of the truth.

But he won in 16.

And he made similar baseless claims that the elections were rigged prior to and during the 2016 election, repeatedly. He also engaged and failed in legal action, even after winning. That's not to mention a very long history of false claims ranging from birther conspiracies to drinking clorax to these latest shenanigans.

There is no doubt the audits, recounts and court decisions will all flow against him, the only worry is how much damage this can do when you consider his fanatical support base and how unnecessary all this glorified tantrum is.

V8 Interceptor

King Mob wrote: »

Do you think that it's plausible that all media outlets (specifically the ones who have called the election for Biden) are involved in a conspiracy together against Trump?

Conspiracy is a very strong word but if the last 4 years are owt to go by, they sure don't like him.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

We can't rule out a baseless claim? Yes we can. It can be ruled out immediately - what can be assumed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

How do we know its baseless and how do we know there's no evidence?

Their side seem quite confident that they have collected plenty evidence. I'm sceptical myself but I won't rule it out prematurely.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

An incumbent is claiming systemic voter fraud by the opposition, but hasn't presented any credible basis for that whatsoever.

Indeed they haven't yet. But if they do?

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yes, but not before he potentially does damage to the US democratic systems and process via his core supporters who blindly believe every claim he makes regardless of the truth.

The Courts will rule and it will be over Sir. And if it has to be the Supreme Court then so be it.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And he made similar baseless claims that the elections were rigged prior to and during the 2016 election, repeatedly. He also engaged and failed in legal action, even after winning. That's not to mention a very long history of false claims ranging from birther conspiracies to drinking clorax to these latest shenanigans.

There is no doubt the audits, recounts and court decisions will all flow against him, the only worry is how much damage this can do when you consider his fanatical support base and how unnecessary all this glorified tantrum is.

I would say the anti Trumpers are equally fanatical if not moreso. The businesses of DC boarded up their premises on election day not out of fear of a MAGA backlash in the event of a Biden win but an ANTIFA/BLM/whatever you're having yourself backlash if Trump won.

This mail-in ballot phenomenon is unprecedented. The amount of votes that went in by post never happened anywhere near this scale before so the potential for fraud is significant. I am willing to wait a short time to see how this plays out in the courts. Hillary told Joe not to concede under any circumstances. Would he have done so? I don't know.

King Mob

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Conspiracy is a very strong word but if the last 4 years are owt to go by, they sure don't like him.

Sorry that's a pretty blatant dodge.
Please answer the question directly.

Do you believe that it is plausible that ALL media outlets are engaging in a conspiracy to commit election fraud?

s1ippy

The real conspiracy here is the crossover between the demographic in Ireland who are insomniac, and seemingly also, fanatically enthusiastic Trump supporters (given the trends in activity on this thread). Either that or something else.

It's the same all over the world these days, democracy is a sham propped up by capitalism and with the slight transparency afforded by some areas of the Internet (and vastly censored or altered facts in most segments of it) people are up in arms about everything, rightly or, in this case, wrongfully.

King Mob

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

How do we know its baseless and how do we know there's no evidence?

Because they have not provided any basis and evidence for it and Trump has a long history of claiming false things without basis or evidence.
Specifically he has baselessly claimed election fraud before.

Currently Trump is claiming that 2.7 million votes for him were vanished.
he also the rest of Bidens lead (about another 2.5 million) are fraudulent and the result of a massive conspiracy involving the Democrats and the media.

What basis do these claims have?
What evidence has he presented?

How can these things be possible?

If he believes these things are true, why then do none of the lawsuits he's going out actually allege this or could possiblly account for such numbers?

Again you have to be very very naive or gullible to take this at all seriously.

V8 Interceptor

King Mob wrote: »

Sorry that's a pretty blatant dodge. Please answer the question directly.

Do you believe that it is plausible that ALL media outlets are engaging in a conspiracy to commit election fraud?

A conspiracy to commit election fraud? No, of course not.

But a biased commentary? On the evidence of the last four years I don't see why they'd suddenly stop now.

That's why I wouldn't put all my eggs in that particular basket.

V8 Interceptor

King Mob wrote: »

Because they have not provided any basis and evidence for it and Trump has a long history of claiming false things without basis or evidence. Specifically he has baselessly claimed election fraud before.

Currently Trump is claiming that 2.7 million votes for him were vanished.
he also the rest of Bidens lead (about another 2.5 million) are fraudulent and the result of a massive conspiracy involving the Democrats and the media.

What basis do these claims have? What evidence has he presented? How can these things be possible?

If he believes these things are true, why then do none of the lawsuits he's going out actually allege this or could possiblly account for such numbers?

Again you have to be very very naive or gullible to take this at all seriously.

Regarding numbers Giuliani says there are now 623,000 confirmed unlawful ballots in PA and 320,000 confirmed unlawful ballots in MI.

He seems to be arguing that all late ballots were thrown in with others so they're all "contaminated" and will all have to be disregarded.

I take it somewhat seriously if not deadly. I've seen people taken in by a lot over the last few years that the established narrative told them to be the case so often naivety can go the other way.

King Mob

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Regarding numbers Giuliani says there are now 623,000 confirmed unlawful ballots in PA and 320,000 confirmed unlawful ballots in MI.
.

And his evidence and basis for this is...?
Which lawsuits are claiming these specifically?

Also that's only less that a million.
That leaves a million and a half fraudulent votes to account for.

And that's before we get to Trumps claim about 2.7 million vanishing. How come Rudy didn't mention this? Which lawsuits are covering this claim? And what basis is there for it?

Also was this what he was announcing next to the porn shop?

Black Swan

mindancer wrote: »

There seems to be lots of irregularities in the US election counting and gathering of votes, I'm still just monitoring the news coming in and I'll have more to say tomorrow.

Trump has launched a few lawsuits already, have any of his legal arguments got merit?

I saw earlier that 180,000 votes were added to the tally in Arizona and everyone of the votes were for Biden, not 1 for Trump which is very strange.

These above statements have been made without objective evidence. The 180,000 claim was not only made lacking evidence, was spurious, and at face value appeared both ridiculous and humourous.

King Mob

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

A conspiracy to commit election fraud? No, of course not.
.

Ok. So you believe Enno99 is incorrect.
Cool.

V8 Interceptor

King Mob wrote: »

Also that's only less that a million.

Trump's only 60k behind in Pennsylvania.

How about the claim that despite there being way more mail in ballots this time and people doing it for the first time, there's 30 times less rejections in PA?

2016: 266,208 cast. 2,534 rejected. Just under 1%

2020: 2.6m cast. 951 rejected. 0.03%

Guy:Incognito

enno99 wrote: »

LOL
The crooked hag conceded

You love avoiding questions. Who calls elections? I'm fairly sure the participants dont get to any more than the media or anyone else. Again, is trump a crazy nutter for declaring himself the winner this time?

King Mob

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Trump's only 60k behind in Pennsylvania.

Trump has claimed that 2.7 million of his votes were vanished.
Do you believe this claim?
What evidence has trump provided for it?

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

How about the claim ...

How about we stick to the claims already made for which we have yet to see any support for.

It's a common dishonest tactic for conspiracy theorists to throw out random new claims to avoid talking about the previous ones.
This is usually due to the fact that the claims don't stand up to any level of scrutiny or questioning.

I asked you several questions in that post you quoted. Please answer them all.
If you can't answer them, please say so.

Movementarian

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Trump's only 60k behind in Pennsylvania.

How about the claim that despite there being way more mail in ballots this time and people doing it for the first time, there's 30 times less rejections in PA?

2016: 266,208 cast. 2,534 rejected. Just under 1%

2020: 2.6m cast. 951 rejected. 0.03%

More time is being given for cure periods for ballots given the global pandemic that is going on. Pennsylvania also passed legislation that mail ballots cannot be immediately rejected for slight signature discrepancies and as above more efforts are being made to ensure the voters have a chance to correct or verify these.

Just do some research for yourself and you will see this has already been discussed multiple times online.

Movementarian

enno99 wrote: »

Fact checkers
I think ill pass


It’s no wonder that the public has so little faith in the fact-checkers. A 2016 Rasmussen poll found that an astonishing 62% of American voters think the fact-check-ers are biased.

https://www.newsbusters.org/fact-checkers

Those pesky facts, the bane of the Trump fans

Movementarian

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Regarding numbers Giuliani says there are now 623,000 confirmed unlawful ballots in PA and 320,000 confirmed unlawful ballots in MI.

He seems to be arguing that all late ballots were thrown in with others so they're all "contaminated" and will all have to be disregarded.

I take it somewhat seriously if not deadly. I've seen people taken in by a lot over the last few years that the established narrative told them to be the case so often naivety can go the other way.

So explain something to me, Giuliani says that with no evidence to back it up, just straight out says there is thousands of unlawful ballots. No evidence or anything.

The actual state secretaries, election officials and the goddamn Department of Homeland Security along with the judges in various courts (mix of Democrats and Republicans across the board) in republican and democrat states all say there is no credible evidence of illegal voting or systemic fraud.

And in your mind, you go "Hmm well I think Giuliani might have a point here".....


REALLY?!

CountNjord

My sense is that if the count was actually wrong, and there was an actual lot of hookie shenanigans going on people would prefer to see Trump loose even if it means that he doesn't get in.

Now if my observation is true,then we've a series societal problem on our hands.

If the herd mentality think it's ok for dishonestly and wrong doing is acceptable in order to swing a vote.
Then democracy is an absolute failure and people are not progressing, rather they're corrupted and blindsided by their hatred of Trump...

If it's going to be fair, nobody should have an issue with a recount or indeed another election.

Because if Biden felt he was cheated out of the election and wanted it to be looked at, you'll have a lot of riot's and and American would be on the verge of chaos's.

I'm A political but call a spade a spade...

King Mob

CountNjord wrote: »

My sense is that if the count was actually wrong, and there was an actual lot of hookie shenanigans going on people would prefer to see Trump loose even if it means that he doesn't get in.

And this is based on...?

Do you agree with Trumps claim that 2.7 million of his votes were made to vanish? And that the rest of Biden's lead is the result of fraud?
What evidence did he present that convinced you specifically?

Also, what if the unthinkable has happened and Donald Trump actually lied and made false unsupported claims to benefit himself.
Do you think that's a bad thing? Or is that dishonestly and wrong doing acceptable?

Dohnjoe

In a joint statement US election officials have just stated that the election was "most secure in US history"
https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election

Fox news has even warned viewers that Trump's election claims are false, of course Trump is now turning on the station, which has been his mouthpiece. Apparently this is the hill he's chosen to die on.

China have just sent their congrats to Biden, who is currently on (projected) 290, and highly likely a total of 306 once Georgia is called.