Jordan Peterson interview on C4

creditcarder · 22-02-2020 2:30pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

I don't get understand his use of "white male" as a derogatory term. First of all, he was in Ireland where, let's face it, the vast majority of us are very much white. Second of all, it comes across as cringey yank stuff.

I agree. Ireland has a completly different gender dynamic than America (due to a different climate, history, occupation, and the different nature of the foreign chruch).

I know you mentioned white, but we really need to stop importing american feminism in the same way we need to stop importing swine flue :P

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 22-02-2020 2:55pm

Gynoid wrote: »

But in the US few liberal voices or newspapers dare to interrogate the explosion of highly lucrative paediatric gender clinics willing to diagnose kindergarten kids as trans or how pharmaceutical companies will profit from having millions of life-long customers.

This is a huge problem. Clear-thinking people on the left urgently need to stand up to the trans activists and make their voices heard on this issue — rather than being cowed into silence and making it seem like the only people who have an issue with it are the evil right-wingers.

Prescribing puberty-blockers to 10-year-olds or performing double mastectomies on 14-year-old girls is insane. My heart goes out to these kids who will never have the chance to grow up normally.

Just because a girl has short hair and likes skateboarding doesn't mean she's "in the wrong body." Keep her away from drugs and surgeries, let her grow up into a woman, and let her decide for herself how she wants to live her life.

creditcarder · 22-02-2020 2:59pm

Gynoid wrote: »

A "tiny amount of influence"....
From The Times today. Behind a subscription wall, but lucky enough I have a free sub, so I can copy and paste.
This state of affairs described below is directly because of people who you describe as having a tiny amount of influence.

I don't care about politcal correctess anymore. All of the people involved, and especially the trained psychologists, should be put into to prison and not put against a wall and not shot for legal reasons.

I am sorry, but this is disgusting.

creditcarder · 22-02-2020 3:01pm

Kassidy Savory Tick wrote: »

This is a huge problem. Clear-thinking people on the left urgently need to stand up to the trans activists and make their voices heard on this issue — rather than being cowed into silence and making it seem like the only people who have an issue with it are the evil right-wingers.

Prescribing puberty-blockers to 10-year-olds or performing double mastectomies on 14-year-old girls is insane. My heart goes out to these kids who will never have the chance to grow up normally.

Just because a girl has short hair and likes skateboarding doesn't mean she's "in the wrong body." Keep her away from drugs and surgeries, let her grow up into a woman, and let her decide for herself how she wants to live her life.

Too right. I mean, wtf is going on in the world? We're being told gender is fluid and then as soon as people start doing things that aren't their gender, they are forced for life to be that gender in quite a barbaric way?

Edit: As a teacher of young children/and teenagers, the thought of what you described is ill inducing.

20Cent · 22-02-2020 3:08pm

If being asked to refer to someone by their preferred pronoun or share a space with them is a lot for you imagine how they feel being discriminated against.

Brian? · 22-02-2020 3:35pm

Kassidy Savory Tick wrote: »

Yes, I'd also noticed that Brian? is highly selective in condemning "name calling."

I am indeed highly selective. I don't feel the need to pile in on 20cent, but when on of the posters who's objected to the name calling calls 20cent totalitarian I feel obliged to point out the hypocrisy and hyperbole. I select the time and place.

Brian? · 22-02-2020 3:38pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

True enough. Should be time to get back to the thread content, and not about the posters behavior/attitudes.

It's no longer about Jordan Peterson either it would appear.

Brian? · 22-02-2020 3:42pm

Kassidy Savory Tick wrote: »

This is a huge problem. Clear-thinking people on the left urgently need to stand up to the trans activists and make their voices heard on this issue — rather than being cowed into silence and making it seem like the only people who have an issue with it are the evil right-wingers.

Prescribing puberty-blockers to 10-year-olds or performing double mastectomies on 14-year-old girls is insane. My heart goes out to these kids who will never have the chance to grow up normally.

Just because a girl has short hair and likes skateboarding doesn't mean she's "in the wrong body." Keep her away from drugs and surgeries, let her grow up into a woman, and let her decide for herself how she wants to live her life.

I agree. But these procedures and drugs are prescribed by actual doctors, surely this needs to be looked at with an evidence based approach. Applying emotionally responses won't help.

Studies need to be conducted and trans activists need to be told to feck off and allow them to happen.

Gynoid · 22-02-2020 3:42pm

Brian? wrote: »

It's no longer about Jordan Peterson either it would appear.

In the sense that Peterson came to attention re Bill C16, compelled speech as he called it and trans pronouns, it has evolved at least in an arguably closely related fashion. For people trying to shut down threads however, it is an argument that might be attempted.

Gynoid · 22-02-2020 3:50pm

Brian? wrote: »

I agree. But these procedures and drugs are prescribed by actual doctors, surely this needs to be looked at with an evidence based approach. Applying emotionally responses .

So are opiods. So were symphysiotemies. So are electro shock therapies. So were the huge numbers of hysterectomies that may have been unnecessary and caused a lot of harm. So is over prescription of anti depressants and anti biotics. Etc etc. Isn't appeal to authority one of the fallacies in argumentation?
One doctor you should look at is Johanna Olson Kennedy - a leading figure in gender treatment in children, she has lectured in the UK - if you are interested in being informed. When asked what if she makes a mistake by removing breasts from a 13 year old girl she replied they can always get new ones later if they want.

20Cent · 22-02-2020 3:54pm

Gynoid wrote: »

In the sense that Peterson came to attention re Bill C16, compelled speech as he called it and trans pronouns, it has evolved at least in an arguably closely related fashion. For people trying to shut down threads however, it is an argument that might be attempted.

Turns out Peterson was totally wrong about Bill C16.

22-02-2020 4:07pm

So what do people maintain is the cause of it?..do you actually think people are born in the wrong body, or is it something to do with more estrogen in the water supply due to female contraception, or is it down to the BPA stuff in plastics?

22-02-2020 4:15pm

Brian? wrote: »

It's no longer about Jordan Peterson either it would appear.

Was it ever? Oh, sure, there will be the character assassinations that people love to do, and sometimes, the very credible taking apart of his material... but he represents the move to resist many social changes taking place in society. Transgenderism, radical feminism, inequality, alienation, etc.

Personally, I find this thread more interesting now that posters are talking about the issues, rather than attacking the man's character.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 22-02-2020 4:19pm

Brian? wrote: »

Applying emotionally responses won't help.

I'm glad you are able to be so calm and unemotional about doctors causing irreversible damage to children with untested drugs and unnecessary surgeries.

I can guarantee that in ten years' time, many of these kids will be suing the crap out of these "clinics" and the governments that allowed vulnerable children to be treated like lab rats. And it will be richly deserved.

22-02-2020 4:20pm

20Cent wrote: »

Turns out Peterson was totally wrong about Bill C16.

Or the impact of the bill was negated/diminished because of what he did. His opposition raised the publicity of the bill, and made people question what they were getting themselves into. In any case, it's a bit early to be saying that he was right or wrong. It's rarely the initial change that's the problem, it's all the addendums that are added that cause issues.

Gynoid · 22-02-2020 4:23pm

""Paris Lees, a prominent UK journalist and transsexual activist, says: "This isn't going to be the answer to the transgender problem. The answer is making sure we identify people as soon as possible so we can help them as soon as possible so they can have the body they want." She adds that identifying and assisting young trans people before they reach puberty should mean that such drastic surgery remains unnecessary.""

I am just quoting that because it is illustrative of the embedded TRA position re children. Get them young. Before puberty. That is around 8 or 9, I suppose, maybe younger.

It is a quote from a crazy article about a Italian surgeon suggesting head transplant surgery might help people with gender dysphoria (!!! I know it is laughable, but the point is Paris Lees response is educational )

People who are disturbed about the childhood medical aspect but sanguine about other aspects are not recognising the long roots of the activist ideology. Many of the extreme and vocal adult trans activists - who are entitled to do what they want to themselves so long as it harms no one else - need the born in the wrong body stuff. The assigned male at birth etc. They need the media praise for the early socialisation of children in the opposite sex. They need the pubertal blockers, the cross sex hormones for children, because it validates their position. They need biology to be grossly misrepresented in school programs. They need senior politicians to claim babies are born without a sex. They need a male bodied person imprisoned with women.
They have to have the whole enchilada, anything less invalidates them. You are not allowed to say stop re sports, re prisons, re child treatment. Nothing . All the way or you are persecuting them.

Many transgender people are speaking out against all this.

Brian? · 22-02-2020 4:25pm

Gynoid wrote: »

So are opiods. So were symphysiotemies. So are electro shock therapies. So were the huge numbers of hysterectomies that may have been unnecessary and caused a lot of harm. So is over prescription of anti depressants and anti biotics. Etc etc. Isn't appeal to authority one of the fallacies in argumentation?
One doctor you should look at is Johanna Olson Kennedy - a leading figure in gender treatment in children, she has lectured in the UK - if you are interested in being informed. When asked what if she makes a mistake by removing breasts from a 13 year old girl she replied they can always get new ones later if they want.

You've replied to half my post, why? I said research is needed to verify if these treatments are correct.

Brian? · 22-02-2020 4:27pm

Kassidy Savory Tick wrote: »

I'm glad you are able to be so calm and unemotional about doctors causing irreversible damage to children with untested drugs and unnecessary surgeries.

I can guarantee that in ten years' time, many of these kids will be suing the crap out of these "clinics" and the governments that allowed vulnerable children to be treated like lab rats. And it will be richly deserved.

Why not reply to my whole post? I think it's a pretty reasonable position to take and You haven't actually replied to what I said. This type of debating is pretty disengenous.

Gynoid · 22-02-2020 4:33pm

Brian? wrote: »

You've replied to half my post, why? I said research is needed to verify if these treatments are correct.

What do you instinctively think about these treatments? Honestly.

20Cent · 22-02-2020 4:38pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Or the impact of the bill was negated/diminished because of what he did. His opposition raised the publicity of the bill, and made people question what they were getting themselves into. In any case, it's a bit early to be saying that he was right or wrong. It's rarely the initial change that's the problem, it's all the addendums that are added that cause issues.

It's been four years now.
Are professors being dragged off to jail for using pronouns now?

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 22-02-2020 4:47pm

Gynoid wrote: »

I am just quoting that because it is illustrative of the embedded TRA position re children. Get them young. Before puberty. That is around 8 or 9, I suppose, maybe younger.

Which is absolutely nuts.

I'm sure we've all known girls in the 6–12 age range who were into football and climbing trees and playing with boys. Such girls used to be known as tomboys. Now they are potentially "trans."

Most tomboys generally grow up into well-adjusted women. But that can't happen if a young girl is treated with puberty blockers or surgery before she's old enough to even understand what is going on.

It amazes me to see how cowed many people are by the trans activist bullying. We should be willing to stand in front of tanks if necessary to protect our kids against this kind of crap.

20Cent · 22-02-2020 4:53pm

Similar to climate change.right wingers that have tread a blog post think they know more than trained experts in a field.

22-02-2020 4:56pm

20Cent wrote: »

Similar to climate change.right wingers that have tread a blog post think they know more than trained experts in a field.

Quick..call the thought police..

Brian? · 22-02-2020 4:57pm

Gynoid wrote: »

What do you instinctively think about these treatments? Honestly.

I've already said. They worry me. If one of my kids was proposed this treatment, I don't think I'd want them to have it. Which is why it needs research, I'd need some fairly hefty data to approve.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 22-02-2020 5:00pm

World Rugby will review its policy on transgender players in light of research showing that reduced testosterone does not lead to a proportionate reduction in strength and power.

Led by Dr Nicola Williams, the group Fair Play For Women is asking World Rugby to protect female-only competition to guarantee fairness and safety for women and girls.

Good for them. I hope they succeed. I don't want to see girls and women injured — or deterred from taking up a sport in the first place — because of a flawed ideology.

22-02-2020 5:05pm

20Cent wrote: »

It's been four years now.
Are professors being dragged off to jail for using pronouns now?

You're awfully hung up on Petersons belief that he might be imprisoned for not obeying the Bill.

However, lets widen the scope a bit. Professors are losing the jobs over not using gender pronouns. That is something that Peterson was seeking to fight against..

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/virginia-teacher-says-wrongfully-fired-student-wrong-pronouns-trnd/index.html

"The school, according to the lawsuit, gave the teacher an ultimatum: Use the student's preferred pronouns or lose your job. School officials suspended the teacher for insubordination. Vlaming was ultimately fired after he refused to use the male pronouns and for repeatedly ignoring orders from his bosses."

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/02/ohio-college-professor-who-refused-to-use-a-transgender-students-preferred-pronouns-loses-religious-freedom-case.html
"But the University insisted that I endorse an ideology I do not believe is true. This is simply wrong. True tolerance must be a two-way street. Now the district court suggests that professors have no free speech rights, which should trouble us all. Public universities have no business compelling people to express ideological beliefs that they do not hold. But the court’s decision opens the door for them to shift from being a marketplace of ideas to an assembly line for one type of thought.”"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-49904997

"A doctor who refused to use transgender pronouns as people's chosen sex as it went against his Christian faith has lost his tribunal."

So... we have highly educated people who spent a fortune in time and money to get where they are... but they lose their positions because someone wants to be referred as something else.

Peterson was right to oppose this kind of speech control, and I genuinely hope others will too.

CtevenSrowder · 22-02-2020 5:08pm

Brian? wrote: »

I am indeed highly selective. I don't feel the need to pile in on 20cent, but when on of the posters who's objected to the name calling calls 20cent totalitarian I feel obliged to point out the hypocrisy and hyperbole. I select the time and place.

So you openly admit to engaging in hypocrisy yourself so.

20Cent · 22-02-2020 5:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

You're awfully hung up on Petersons belief that he might be imprisoned for not obeying the Bill.

However, lets widen the scope a bit. Professors are losing the jobs over not using gender pronouns. That is something that Peterson was seeking to fight against..

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/virginia-teacher-says-wrongfully-fired-student-wrong-pronouns-trnd/index.html

"The school, according to the lawsuit, gave the teacher an ultimatum: Use the student's preferred pronouns or lose your job. School officials suspended the teacher for insubordination. Vlaming was ultimately fired after he refused to use the male pronouns and for repeatedly ignoring orders from his bosses."

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/02/ohio-college-professor-who-refused-to-use-a-transgender-students-preferred-pronouns-loses-religious-freedom-case.html
"But the University insisted that I endorse an ideology I do not believe is true. This is simply wrong. True tolerance must be a two-way street. Now the district court suggests that professors have no free speech rights, which should trouble us all. Public universities have no business compelling people to express ideological beliefs that they do not hold. But the court’s decision opens the door for them to shift from being a marketplace of ideas to an assembly line for one type of thought.”"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-49904997

"A doctor who refused to use transgender pronouns as people's chosen sex as it went against his Christian faith has lost his tribunal."

So... we have highly educated people who spent a fortune in time and money to get where they are... but they lose their positions because someone wants to be referred as something else.

Peterson was right to oppose this kind of speech control, and I genuinely hope others will too.

Petersons original claim to fame was he was standing up against the government forcing him to say something or he'd go to jail. Turned out not to be true.

The examples you give are people fired not jailed. A university or school can't have staff bullying students, the religious aspect is sad. God made Eve from one of Adams ribs according to the Bible.

22-02-2020 5:36pm

20Cent wrote: »

Petersons original claim to fame was he was standing up against the government forcing him to say something or he'd go to jail. Turned out not to be true.

Yup. he was wrong about being arrested.. although,personally, I suspect his prominent publicity had something to do with that.

But you're correct. he wasn't arrested.

The examples you give are people fired not jailed. A university or school can't have staff bullying students, the religious aspect is sad. God made Eve from one of Adams ribs according to the Bible.

haha... I should have known better. :facepalm:

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 22-02-2020 5:51pm

Brian? wrote: »

I've already said. They worry me. If one of my kids was proposed this treatment, I don't think I'd want them to have it. Which is why it needs research, I'd need some fairly hefty data to approve.

So why are they being given to children without the necessary testing? And why is the mantra “They’re completely reversible” trotted out? We don’t know that.

More research is needed. But it’s not ethical enrol children in the necessary clinical trials. So we’re at an impasse.

Children have been enrolled on clinical trials before but that was when certain death was the other option. Not some nebulous plea of “They might kill themselves!” I’m talking about diseases that would swiftly kill them so there was nothing to lose.

And we actually do have some inkling about the long-term effects of pubertal blockers through them being prescribed to girls with precocious puberty. Some very damaging side effects have been reported such as osteoporosis.

Brian? · 22-02-2020 6:30pm

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

So you openly admit to engaging in hypocrisy yourself so.

That's a pretty ridiculous conclusion.

20Cent · 22-02-2020 7:16pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

So why are they being given to children without the necessary testing? And why is the mantra “They’re completely reversible” trotted out? We don’t know that.

More research is needed. But it’s not ethical enrol children in the necessary clinical trials. So we’re at an impasse.

Children have been enrolled on clinical trials before but that was when certain death was the other option. Not some nebulous plea of “They might kill themselves!” I’m talking about diseases that would swiftly kill them so there was nothing to lose.

And we actually do have some inkling about the long-term effects of pubertal blockers through them being prescribed to girls with precocious puberty. Some very damaging side effects have been reported such as osteoporosis.

There has been research and work being done for decades. Just because it's suddenly in the public eye more yer acting like they are like Meglele experimenting on kids.

Truth is they know what they are doing and are experts in the area.

creditcarder · 22-02-2020 7:55pm

Gynoid wrote: »

So are opiods. So were symphysiotemies. So are electro shock therapies. So were the huge numbers of hysterectomies that may have been unnecessary and caused a lot of harm. So is over prescription of anti depressants and anti biotics. Etc etc. Isn't appeal to authority one of the fallacies in argumentation?
One doctor you should look at is Johanna Olson Kennedy - a leading figure in gender treatment in children, she has lectured in the UK - if you are interested in being informed. When asked what if she makes a mistake by removing breasts from a 13 year old girl she replied they can always get new ones later if they want.

Here's another:

She opposes mandatory psychological assessments for transgender children seeking treatment, saying in a 2018 Atlantic magazine article: "I don’t send someone to a therapist when I’m going to start them on insulin

Gynoid · 22-02-2020 8:01pm

20Cent wrote: »

There has been research and work being done for decades. Just because it's suddenly in the public eye more yer acting like they are like Meglele experimenting on kids.

Truth is they know what they are doing and are experts in the area.

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/22/ssweden-teenage-transgender-row-dysphoria-diagnoses-soar

How come the investigations are starting? Sweden. UK. Australia. "Truth is"...

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 22-02-2020 8:22pm

20Cent wrote: »

There has been research and work being done for decades. Just because it's suddenly in the public eye more yer acting like they are like Meglele experimenting on kids.

Truth is they know what they are doing and are experts in the area.

Good Lord. They don’t. It’s an off-label use. That means by its very definition that the necessary testing hasn’t been done for that usage. And there’s no ethical way to do that testing. It’s not certain life or death like when children tried new drugs for, say, leukaemia that they were 100% going to die from. I honestly despair at the ignorance of huge swathes of the general public on science matters. The children being given Lupron to block puberty are indeed being used as guinea pigs.

I know lots of advanced cancer patients and that includes prostate cancer patients. Some of them admit that Lupron knocked the stuffing out of them. And they’re grown men who have finished developing.

20Cent · 22-02-2020 8:55pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 22-02-2020 9:03pm

20Cent wrote: »

I’ve worked on achieving FDA approval for a particular drug. Many people with biology qualifications or who work in pharmaceuticals have a good grasp of the drug testing and approval process. Many will know more than doctors actually as they tend to skim a number of biology disciplines rather than going into one in-depth. My friends who did graduate medicine after their biology degree were told that they didn’t need to know their degree subject to the level that they did. Doctors are not all-knowing.

Do you know what off-label usage means?

I’m pretty sure you are trolling at this stage, to be honest, but you’re just making yourself look daft so carry on.

Outlaw Pete · 22-02-2020 10:15pm

Seems he's somewhat on the mend. Good to see.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B84aaNVAUYD/
https://twitter.com/MikhailaAleksis/status/1231304700001050625

22-02-2020 10:28pm

Not a fan of man in many, if not most ways, but I don't know how anyone could take any satisfaction in his suffering. I hope his recovery will be complete. He looks very thin in that photo, I suspect he's got a ways to go and I wish him well.

Also, St Basils is an amazing structure on an amazing scale. Would love to visit.

ligerdub · 22-02-2020 10:32pm

Candie wrote:

Not a fan of man in many, if not most ways, but I don't know how anyone could take any satisfaction in his suffering. I hope his recovery will be complete. He looks very thin in that photo, I suspect he's got a ways to go and I wish him well.

Curious as to what specifically about him you're not a fan of?

The level of disdain JP gets is staggering. His main focus is trying to see people find their right path in life, to live a meaningful existence, not waste time and generally to encourage people and believe in themselves.

Frankly I find the way he is viewed as some sort of controversial figure to be absolutely disgusting.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 22-02-2020 10:34pm

ligerdub wrote: »

Curious as to what specifically about him you're not a fan of?

The level of disdain JP gets is staggering. His main focus is trying to see people find their right path in life, to live a meaningful existence, not waste time and generally to encourage people and believe in themselves.

Frankly I find the way he is viewed as some sort of controversial figure to be absolutely disgusting.

Nobody has to justify to you why they dislike someone. You’re unlikely to agree with their reasons anyway so why does it matter? Is there no popular figure that you dislike?

If you want an example though, the video here and longer interview of him talking about workplace sexual harassment was bone-chilling to me. Gave me the creeps.

22-02-2020 10:36pm

ligerdub wrote: »

Curious as to what specifically about him you're not a fan of?

The level of disdain JP gets is staggering. His main focus is trying to see people find their right path in life, to live a meaningful existence, not waste time and generally to encourage people and believe in themselves.

Frankly I find the way he is viewed as some sort of controversial figure to be absolutely disgusting.

I would have answered that question but the way you've framed it is so clearly itching for a fight.

I didn't express disdain, nor any view on how controversial he is or isn't. All I did was wish him well.

ligerdub · 22-02-2020 10:40pm

Candie wrote:

I didn't express disdain, nor any view on how controversial he is or isn't. All I did was wish him well.

"Not a fan in most ways" is far from a glowing reference. Pretty unnecessary in the context of appearing supportive of his plight.

ligerdub · 22-02-2020 10:44pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote:

If you want an example though, the video here and longer interview of him talking about workplace sexual harassment was bone-chilling to me. Gave me the creeps.

Consider context, and you just saying that doesn't make it a fair reflection of the video. Maybe specify something mentioned.

You're making it sound like he's a rape apologist or fiend.

22-02-2020 10:44pm

ligerdub wrote: »

"Not a fan in most ways" is far from a glowing reference. Pretty unnecessary in the context of appearing supportive of his plight.

I didn't realize I had to provide a glowing reference to wish him well in his recovery.

I assumed that even if I don't agree with someone on some, most, or even all matters, that I could wish them well on a human level after reading about their suffering.

One eyed Jack · 22-02-2020 10:46pm

ligerdub wrote: »

"Not a fan in most ways" is far from a glowing reference. Pretty unnecessary in the context of appearing supportive of his plight.

Nonsense, I regard most people as a pain in the arse, still wouldn’t bear them any ill will, and that includes Peterson who I think is just a bs peddler, still wouldn’t bear him any ill will though.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 22-02-2020 10:47pm

ligerdub wrote: »

Consider context, and you just saying that doesn't make it a fair reflection of the video. Maybe specify something mentioned.

You're making it sound like he's a rape apologist or fiend.

Your jealous defence of him is pretty weird.

I’ve seen the whole interview. My conclusions are different from yours. Seriously lads, he’s not that hard to understand.

Sometimes people like and dislike different people. I can’t believe I have to say that. And I’ve seen you criticise public figures on here yourself. I’m sure you’d not feel like you have to justify that.

EmmetSpiceland · 22-02-2020 10:48pm

It’s amazing how some people can have so little compassion or, indeed, consideration for their fellow humans but they will get upset and attack anyone who isn’t “on board” with this guy, or his message.

Gynoid · 22-02-2020 11:12pm

https://twitter.com/S3LF_MAD3_WOMAN/status/1231022284044816384?s=19

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 22-02-2020 11:37pm

Gynoid wrote: »

https://twitter.com/S3LF_MAD3_WOMAN/status/1231022284044816384?s=19

Chase Strangio insists that there is no such thing as biological sex. :eek: Flat out denies it exists.

Jordan Peterson interview on C4

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