Jordan Peterson interview on C4

RandomName2

alaimacerc wrote: »

You sound a little like Bart Simpson. "I know of the times tables..."

Why would I want to do that, having cited a very specifically piece of applicable Orwell writing, and had you breeze past it, to make your usual "because shut up, that's why!" grade intervention?

You didn't. I quote

alaimacerc wrote: »

"Anyone who isn't alt-right-phobic"? Language being subjected to cruel and unusual treatment right there, I think. To reclaim Orwell's good name from the rightists, strong shades of "Politics and the English Language" here.

The one and only time you mentioned Orwell.

Animal Farm, Letters from Catalonia, 1984?

I suggest you improve your posting quality. I disagree with you, but that's not important. Your posts are tending towards being inane. You've been commenting about a youtuber for the last few pages, the content of which amounted to you not liking him.

Pewdiepie is nasty. Who would call themselves Pewdiepie? He is alt-right. Didn't you hear how he called for the death of Jews, and then pretended it was a joke? He is a Christian fundamentalist. Wait he's an atheist? Well the feminists must be terrified. Nietzsche. I rest my case. Do you know what Nietzsche essay I talk of, pray?

That's you, with the variables changed.

Brian? wrote: »

Why is shattering stuff so often? If he's not shattering ideas he's owning people. Sometimes he even destroys people after triggering them.

Clickbait title

kubjones

Brian? wrote: »

Why is shattering stuff so often? If he's not shattering ideas he's owning people. Sometimes he even destroys people after triggering them.

No one ever seems to politely refute anymore.

The titles of those Youtube videos are more cringe-inducing than watching Leo Varadkar trying to be cool.

Brian?

I wonder what the costs of owning a SJW are?

https://youtu.be/VQYThLAOWfQ

Would all the organic vegan foods cost a fortune? Asking for friend.

Brian?

RandomName2 wrote: »

Clickbait title

There's a reason those titles exist, IMO, a certain demographic love them.

RandomName2

Brian? wrote: »

I wonder what the costs of owning a SJW are?

https://youtu.be/VQYThLAOWfQ

Would all the organic vegan foods cost a fortune? Asking for friend.

It depends. If they get excited they can rip up the furniture and soil the carpet. It really depends on whether you look frightening to them. Unfortunately they get startled easily. Your tone of voice, clapping, your physical appearance can all make an SJW have behavioral issues. If you wear a costume.. similar to your avatar for instance, your interactions could go okay.. but if the SJW becomes aware that you aren't really a furry, then you'd have to hand them into the pound the fallout would be so bad.

Brian? wrote: »

There's a reason those titles exist, IMO, a certain demographic love them.

The view count on that video aren't great so I'm not sure, but you may be right.

markodaly

Akrasia wrote: »

So he likes to go after the weakest arguments and the lowest hanging fruit on the internet.

Grand, so debunk his argument.

I don't see anyone actually trying to debunk his core argument in the video but I do see plenty of people trying to muddy the waters by throwing out the usual bingo box of labels.

I don't listen to the guy, his video's go on for too long and like all of that type of stuff, there is an agenda behind it, just like there is an agenda behind his detractors. It's all a silly game.

Brian?

RandomName2 wrote: »

It depends. If they get excited they can rip up the furniture and soil the carpet. It really depends on whether you look frightening to them. Unfortunately they get startled easily. Your tone of voice, clapping, your physical appearance can all make an SJW have behavioral issues. If you wear a costume.. similar to your avatar for instance, your interactions could go okay.. but if the SJW becomes aware that you aren't really a furry, then you'd have to hand them into the pound the fallout would be so bad.

Sounds like a lot of work. I'll get a pot bellied pig instead. If he doesn't work out, I can eat him.

The view count on that video aren't great so I'm not sure, but you may be right.

Maybe the title needed to be all caps, that really brings in the views.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Brian? wrote: »

I wonder what the costs of owning a SJW are?

https://youtu.be/VQYThLAOWfQ

Would all the organic vegan foods cost a fortune? Asking for friend.

Very temperamental and unreliable. Prone to breakdowns.

Brian?

markodaly wrote: »

Grand, so debunk his argument.

I don't see anyone actually trying to debunk his core argument in the video but I do see plenty of people trying to muddy the waters by throwing out the usual bingo box of labels.

I don't listen to the guy, his video's go on for too long and like all of that type of stuff, there is an agenda behind it, just like there is an agenda behind his detractors. It's all a silly game.

Why can't people express opinions anymore? Why is it all about "debunking"?

You could go years without hearing that word up until recently. Now everything is debunked.

I can bunk this if needed.

RandomName2

Brian? wrote: »

Maybe the title needed to be all caps, that really brings in the views.

JB PETERSON DESTROYS i-n-s-a-n-e hysterical FEMINIST student - MASSIVE REACTION SPEECHLESS! MUST watch owning.

markodaly

Brian? wrote: »

Why can't people express opinions anymore? Why is it all about "debunking"?

You could go years without hearing that word up until recently. Now everything is debunked.

I can bunk this if needed.

Because it's not about sharing ideas anymore it's about destroying the other person whose idea is not the exact same as yours.
Normally its those on the left who are now today's thought police. Go figure.

ancapailldorcha

markodaly wrote: »

Because it's not about sharing ideas anymore it's about destroying the other person whose idea is not the exact same as yours.
Normally its those on the left who are now today's thought police. Go figure.

Plenty of it on the right as well which gets glossed over.

kubjones

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Plenty of it on the right as well which gets glossed over.

Its all on the internet.

I'm friends with a pink-haired turbo-fem and I slag her all the time about being a woman, she always slags me about being a man.

I need to get off this internet yoke.

Maybe after lunch.

ancapailldorcha

kubjones wrote: »

Its all on the internet.

I'm friends with a pink-haired turbo-fem and I slag her all the time about being a woman, she always slags me about being a man.

I need to get off this internet yoke.

Maybe after lunch.

Oh yeah, absolutely.

The thin-skinned egotism is much rarer in real life thank feck.

Undividual

Akrasia wrote: »

markodaly wrote: »

We talking about Sargon of Akkad here? Do you know he made his name taking on creationists and Christian fundamentalists and their stupid ideas about intelligent design?

When he was finished with that, he moved onto other religions, that is the religion of modern feminism and postmodernism.

So he likes to go after the weakest arguments and the lowest hanging fruit on the internet.

But he's hardly a clear thinker himself. He has promoted 9/11 truth nonsense, he is a brexit fanboy, he thought Trump would make a better president than Clinton, he is dubious on climate change....

What is wrong with supporting Brexit?  If there ever was an issue where I could respect both sides points of view, it was that. 

Also, no one knew whether Trump or Clinton would make a better president.  You can only make an educated (or uneducated) guess at the time of voting.  If Trump brings N. Korea into negotiations and improves the US economy, it may be more than Clinton would have done in 4 years. 

None of the above issues prove that he is not a clear thinker.  A clear thinker can still be wrong if his/her evidence or assumptions are incorrect.

DickSwiveller Returns

Akrasia wrote: »

So he likes to go after the weakest arguments and the lowest hanging fruit on the internet.

But he's hardly a clear thinker himself. He has promoted 9/11 truth nonsense, he is a brexit fanboy, he thought Trump would make a better president than Clinton, he is dubious on climate change....

There is loads of things he could apply skeptical analysis to, but he chooses to go for the sneering at feminists and stirring up fear of immigrants route instead.

OMG the bastard. How dare he!

kunst nugget

Undividual wrote: »

What is wrong with supporting Brexit?  If there ever was an issue where I could respect both sides points of view, it was that. 

What are the benefits of Brexit? I've never in my lifetime seen a western country so willing to commit economic suicide and impoverish its people and for what? And the worst part of it is that we'll get dragged down with them because of their stupidity…

ancapailldorcha

Undividual wrote: »

What is wrong with supporting Brexit?  If there ever was an issue where I could respect both sides points of view, it was that.

For me, I get the impression that he is trying to pander to a right wing base rather than making an intellectual case for Brexit. I watched a video once of him talking about the EU and he said little of substance with the salient point being that the Germans and Greeks speak different languages in more ways than one.

If he made an intellectual argument for it, that's one thing but on many issues he takes the path of least resistance.

kunst nugget

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

For me, I get the impression that he is trying to pander to a right wing base rather than making an intellectual case for Brexit. I watched a video once of him talking about the EU and he said little of substance with the salient point being that the Germans and Greeks speak different languages in more ways than one.

If he made an intellectual argument for it, that's one thing but on many issues he takes the path of least resistance.

Are you talking about Peterson or Sargon?

ancapailldorcha

kunst nugget wrote: »

Are you talking about Peterson or Sargon?

Peterson.

I lost any respect I had for Sargon a long time ago.

kunst nugget

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Peterson.

I lost any respect I had for Sargon a long time ago.

I think the poster was referring to a post about Sargon.

I watched that clip of Peterson talking about the EU. It really didn't say anything about anything.

ancapailldorcha

kunst nugget wrote: »

I think the poster was referring to a post about Sargon.

I watched that clip of Peterson talking about the EU. It really didn't say anything about anything.

Oops. Should have been clearer.

Anyway, Peterson is a Professor. Sargon is little more than a professional troll at this stage.

Brian?

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Oh yeah, absolutely.

The thin-skinned egotism is much rarer in real life thank feck.

My skin is far thicker in real life. But my ego is 7 times the size. In fact I'd say my ego is the biggest ive ever seen.

professore

kunst nugget wrote: »

What are the benefits of Brexit? I've never in my lifetime seen a western country so willing to commit economic suicide and impoverish its people and for what? And the worst part of it is that we'll get dragged down with them because of their stupidity…

Being able to make your own laws and control your own borders are two I can think of. Sure, it might be an economic disaster, but on the other hand they will be able to make more business friendly laws than we will to encourage new business and attract investment, so it could be an economic boon. Whether they actually will is another matter ....

Brian?

professore wrote: »

Being able to make your own laws and control your own borders are two I can think of. Sure, it might be an economic disaster, but on the other hand they will be able to make more business friendly laws than we will to encourage new business and attract investment, so it could be an economic boon. Whether they actually will is another matter ....

Given they’re going for a soft Brexit, they won’t be able to control their own borders or make their own laws any more than they can now. Both of which they can do, by the way.

If they want access to the common market, they’re going to have to make so many concessions the whole thing was pointless. Either that or they’ll exit with no deal, it’ll take decades to recover from that.

Akrasia

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

OMG the bastard. How dare he!

Just because they're not as fringe issues as flat earthism, doesn't mean it doesn't require a staggering amount of self delusion and congnitive dissonance to support Nigel Farage and Donald Trump.

Look, I didn't like Clinton either, but when its a two horse race and one of them is Donald effin Trump, and the other is just another slimy establishment politician, you grit your teeth and vote the lesser of two evils.

It's not a political test, ie, i'll only agree with you if you share my politics, it's a lack of ability to know when you're being lied to, manipulated and used. And if you can't see that when it's as obvious as a wet trout slapping across your face, then I'm not going to take your analysis seriously.

PlaneSpeeking

Brian? wrote: »

Given they’re going for a soft Brexit, they won’t be able to control their own borders or make their own laws any more than they can now. Both of which they can do, by the way.

If they want access to the common market, they’re going to have to make so many concessions the whole thing was pointless. Either that or they’ll exit with no deal, it’ll take decades to recover from that.

The irony being that if part of the reason for voting yes - EU immigrants tend to be little bother and are genuinely there to work and better themselves.

They're just f***ed now and the rest are unaffected.

Akrasia

professore wrote: »

Being able to make your own laws and control your own borders are two I can think of. Sure, it might be an economic disaster, but on the other hand they will be able to make more business friendly laws than we will to encourage new business and attract investment, so it could be an economic boon. Whether they actually will is another matter ....

those are the main arguments used by brexiteers, but if you think it through for more than 5 minutes, you'll realise that the reason why the EU shares sovereignty is to allow the free market to work fairly, and any matters that do not affect the customs union are largely left up to member states to legislate for themselves.

If the UK diverge from EU minimum standards for environment, labour rights, product safety and quality, traceability, animal welfare etc, then they won't be allowed access to the EU market, and it would be economic suicide to shut yourself off from your closest trading partners, so all this talk of taking back control is pure nonsense if the UK is only gonna have to replicate EU laws in the UK without having any say in how those laws are drafted.

Brexit was a protest vote by uninformed and the deliberately misinformed and if people are still defending it 2 years later after the true impact is becoming more and more apparent, then sorry, but as far as I'm concerned they're not thinking clearly

Undividual

Akrasia wrote: »

those are the main arguments used by brexiteers, but if you think it through for more than 5 minutes, you'll realise that the reason why the EU shares sovereignty is to allow the free market to work fairly, and any matters that do not affect the customs union are largely left up to member states to legislate for themselves.

If the UK diverge from EU minimum standards for environment, labour rights, product safety and quality, traceability, animal welfare etc, then they won't be allowed access to the EU market, and it would be economic suicide to shut yourself off from your closest trading partners, so all this talk of taking back control is pure nonsense if the UK is only gonna have to replicate EU laws in the UK without having any say in how those laws are drafted.

Brexit was a protest vote by uninformed and the deliberately misinformed and if people are still defending it 2 years later after the true impact is becoming more and more apparent, then sorry, but as far as I'm concerned they're not thinking clearly

I remember the Lisbon treaty and the EU's reproaches to Ireland during the recession too well to buy the benevolent EU narrative. 

It appears that the UK gov have messed up the Brexit negotiations, but they did have the chance to break cleanly from Europe.  The idea that the EU would cut off their nose to spite their face in the event of a hard Brexit was unlikely.  Quality controls can easily be replaced by the UK, one of the largest economies in the world. 

Also, the hard stance taken by the EU in response to Brexit shows other countries the disciplining, punishing mentality of the EU.  This can be attested to by Irish and Greek experiences.  Far better to be self governed.

Undividual

RandomName2 wrote: »

Brian? wrote: »

Maybe the title needed to be all caps, that really brings in the views.

JB PETERSON DESTROYS i-n-s-a-n-e hysterical FEMINIST student - MASSIVE REACTION SPEECHLESS! MUST watch owning.

JB PETERSON REFUTES i-r-a-t-e passionate supposedly-egalitarian student

I hate the phrase 'owning'.  Am I dense or is that used in a purely slave-owner context without anyone ever pointing it out?