Tokyo 2020 Qualifying. Athletes to watch

wgtomblin · 26-02-2020 11:55am

World Half Marathon selections were announced. Only sending a Men's team.
https://www.athleticsireland.ie/news/world-half-marathon-selection-2020

KSU · 26-02-2020 12:12pm

wgtomblin wrote: »

World Half Marathon selections were announced. Only sending a Men's team.
https://www.athleticsireland.ie/news/world-half-marathon-selection-2020

Most Women are still chasing qualifiers for Tokyo

Damo 2k9 · 26-02-2020 12:32pm

Would Scullion's choice to do NY Half and Boston have put him out of the running for World Half selection?

IvoryTower · 26-02-2020 12:51pm

Damo 2k9 wrote: »

Would Scullion's choice to do NY Half and Boston have put him out of the running for World Half selection?

I would have thought he had the option, be interesting to see if he talks about it

Damo 2k9 · 26-02-2020 12:58pm

IvoryTower wrote: »

I would have thought he had the option, be interesting to see if he talks about it

He hasnt ran a 63 min half since Jan 2018 (Houston) and Flynn won Charleville in 2019 so a much more recent time, perhaps that's why.

KSU · 26-02-2020 8:30pm

IvoryTower wrote: »

Isn't to tobin going for it?

Just saw confirmed, he is running Hamburg in April.

Ceepo · 26-02-2020 11:29pm

KSU wrote: »

Just saw confirmed, he is running Hamburg in April.

I did say that a few days ago

Lazare · 01-03-2020 7:37pm

Anyone any idea what Coscoran's time today (3:41) does for his ranking in the 1500?

He was 9 spots outside before it.

robinph · 03-03-2020 10:20am

Olympics could be delayed.

BBC News wrote:

Japan could be allowed to postpone Olympics to end of year, says minister
Japan's contract with the International Olympic Committee allows it to postpone the Tokyo games until the end of the year, Japan's Olympics minister was quoting as saying in a Reuters report.

"The contract calls for the games to be held within 2020. That could be interpreted as allowing a postponement," Seiko Hashimoto said in response to a question in parliament.

The Games are due to begin in July this year in the capital Tokyo.

If numbers are seen to drop off fairly soon in China then having a delay of a few months could work as the rest of the world would be a few months behind China. Might work, but can't see a delay until next year working as will just impact on everything else too much then.

Bad luck for Tokyo as they would then have had two cancelled Olympics.

average_runner · 03-03-2020 4:17pm

robinph wrote: »

Olympics could be delayed.

If numbers are seen to drop off fairly soon in China then having a delay of a few months could work as the rest of the world would be a few months behind China. Might work, but can't see a delay until next year working as will just impact on everything else too much then.

Bad luck for Tokyo as they would then have had two cancelled Olympics.

Surely there is a bigger risk of a round 2 in Japan in December at it will be winter again.

I think when the weather heats up, this will disappear for awhile or we just get on with our lives and accept it like we do to the flu.

Damo 2k9 · 03-03-2020 4:58pm

average_runner wrote: »

Surely there is a bigger risk of a round 2 in Japan in December at it will be winter again.

I think when the weather heats up, this will disappear for awhile or we just get on with our lives and accept it like we do to the flu.

I think the hope is that a vaccine will be developed by then.

IvoryTower · 03-03-2020 5:12pm

cant really get on with it until vaccine or its gone seen as we could accidentally kill our parents etc

pc11 · 03-03-2020 11:43pm

average_runner wrote: »

Surely there is a bigger risk of a round 2 in Japan in December at it will be winter again.

I think when the weather heats up, this will disappear for awhile or we just get on with our lives and accept it like we do to the flu.

Right now we have no reason to suppose this virus is seasonal. It's widespread in Singapore right now, for example, with temperatures in the 30s.

robinph · 04-03-2020 10:12am

pc11 wrote: »

Right now we have no reason to suppose this virus is seasonal. It's widespread in Singapore right now, for example, with temperatures in the 30s.

Is seasonal flu seasonal due to the exact weather temperatures, or due to the variation in temperatures affecting peoples immune systems? I think they still get seasonal flu in Australia and their winter is warmer than our summer.

IvoryTower · 04-03-2020 11:44am

It cant survive in the sun, maybe that's why?

average_runner · 04-03-2020 1:26pm

Damo 2k9 wrote: »

I think the hope is that a vaccine will be developed by then.

But a flu type virus changes every year so the vaccine won't work on the new edition

robinph · 04-03-2020 2:20pm

average_runner wrote: »

But a flu type virus changes every year so the vaccine won't work on the new edition

The new flu vaccines each year are for which version they think will be most common in the upcoming season, rather than there being one seasonal flu that keeps morphing.

It's really just a wild guess though, which is why people who have had a flu jab each year still get flu. *cough*

IvoryTower · 04-03-2020 2:35pm

Other tricks I use, treadmill in a gym beside work on lunchbreak, stopping somewhere on way home from work, running lafter kids are all in bed(done 10pm lsr on sunday gone), running at 2am cause you're pure psycho.

I'd love to own a treadmill, dont have the room for it

Chivito550 · 04-03-2020 8:52pm

pc11 wrote: »

Right now we have no reason to suppose this virus is seasonal. It's widespread in Singapore right now, for example, with temperatures in the 30s.

It's not widespread in Singapore. There's about 100 cases, with around 2 new cases a day. That is not widespread. The only reason they even have that much is because it's an international travel hub.

Italy has 3,000 cases. 100 cases is not what I would call widespread.

The Philippines and Vietnam have no active cases right now. Africa and South America have very few cases.

I think daylight, temperatures and humidity are a big factor here.

Chivito550 · 04-03-2020 8:53pm

robinph wrote: »

Is seasonal flu seasonal due to the exact weather temperatures, or due to the variation in temperatures affecting peoples immune systems? I think they still get seasonal flu in Australia and their winter is warmer than our summer.

More fake news. Australian winters can be quite chilly. I woke up many mornings to frost in Melbourne in June and July. It could be as low as 3 degrees at 7am!

Swashbuckler · 04-03-2020 8:59pm

Lads seriously there's a whole other coronavirus thread

OOnegative · 04-03-2020 9:06pm

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Lads seriously there's a whole other coronavirus thread

https://youtu.be/uo7HB-slsm4

OOnegative · 04-03-2020 9:13pm

Anyone have a link to Scullion’s interview in the Indo from the other day, not paying for premium articles out here!!

pc11 · 04-03-2020 11:25pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

It's not widespread in Singapore. There's about 100 cases, with around 2 new cases a day. That is not widespread. The only reason they even have that much is because it's an international travel hub.

Italy has 3,000 cases. 100 cases is not what I would call widespread.

The Philippines and Vietnam have no active cases right now. Africa and South America have very few cases.

I think daylight, temperatures and humidity are a big factor here.

Singapore has the same population as Ireland and has around 20x the cases. We're only just getting started.

But I'm highly amused you believe that there are no cases in the Phillipines or Vietnam. The official stats contradict that: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

And even if they had reported no cases, that would be a bit like there were allegedly no cases in Indonesia (which has strong links to China) until the other day and there are supposedly only 3 in Russia (which has a land border with China).

I have a bridge here I'd like to sell you!

And how much testing do you think they do in Africa? And even in countries where you might believe the government, they can only count cases when they actually test people. It should be obvious that they are not testing all possible cases. Even in the US we now know that the virus has been circulating for weeks with nobody testing for it so it wasn't detected.

Right now you can speculate about seasonality but the world's experts don't know if it is and I don't think you're one of them, sorry.

robinph · 05-03-2020 12:18am

Chivito550 wrote: »

More fake news. Australian winters can be quite chilly. I woke up many mornings to frost in Melbourne in June and July. It could be as low as 3 degrees at 7am!

When everyone is still tucked up in bed no doubt, but what temperature was it during the day. And that still doesn't answer the question if flu is seasonal because of the ambient temperature or because of variations in people's immune systems.

Maybe this virus is not seasonal, but it spreading in various different climates in different countries doesn't really prove anything one way or another yet.

Chivito550 · 05-03-2020 8:58am

pc11 wrote: »

Singapore has the same population as Ireland and has around 20x the cases. We're only just getting started.

But I'm highly amused you believe that there are no cases in the Phillipines or Vietnam. The official stats contradict that: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

And even if they had reported no cases, that would be a bit like there were allegedly no cases in Indonesia (which has strong links to China) until the other day and there are supposedly only 3 in Russia (which has a land border with China).

I have a bridge here I'd like to sell you!

And how much testing do you think they do in Africa? And even in countries where you might believe the government, they can only count cases when they actually test people. It should be obvious that they are not testing all possible cases. Even in the US we now know that the virus has been circulating for weeks with nobody testing for it so it wasn't detected.

Right now you can speculate about seasonality but the world's experts don't know if it is and I don't think you're one of them, sorry.

I've been following that exact link that you sent me. I was referring to no ACTIVE cases in Vietnam and Philippines. All cases in both countries have been resolved.

Of course I'm speculating, but am speculating off the data that is presented.

Regarding Singapore, they had no new cases yesterday, 2 the day before, 2 the day before that again. That's a situation that appears under control. Compare that to 800 new cases in Korea (equivalent of Singapore having around 90 new cases each day when adjusting for population).

Chivito550 · 05-03-2020 9:05am

robinph wrote: »

When everyone is still tucked up in bed no doubt, but what temperature was it during the day. And that still doesn't answer the question if flu is seasonal because of the ambient temperature or because of variations in people's immune systems.

Maybe this virus is not seasonal, but it spreading in various different climates in different countries doesn't really prove anything one way or another yet.

On a good day the high could be 16, on a bad day 9. The average high in Melbourne is 13! And that's the high. Temperatures are consistently under 10 at various points during the day. Also insulation in houses is so bad there. I'd wake up in the morning and be able to see my breath when I'm in my house. This never happens here.

Up in Queensland and Northern Territory absolutely their winters are hotter than our summers. In fact they don't have winter and summer, but rather wet season and dry season. But down in the south you are completely mistaken. Melbourne has 4 million people. Sydney with 4.5 million is only a little warmer than Melbourne.

OOnegative · 05-03-2020 9:06am

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058057227/7/#post112728911

Lads take the discussion here if ye don’t mind.

Dodge · 05-03-2020 10:37am

Anyway back to athletics and the Olympics

World athletics update their rankings every Wednesday

On the women’s side Ciara Neville got 7 extra points and is now in a qualification spot. She’s 54 of 56 qualifiers. Marathon runner Anne Marie Glynn gained 17 points but she’s a bit outside the qualifiers (and it’s unlikely there’ll be any from the rankings...)

Neville (100m), Phil Healy (200m) and Michelle Finn (3,000m SC) are in qualification spots

On the men’s side Mark English lost 25 points but he’s still ranked in the qualifiers. As is Leon Reid and Marcus Lawlor in the 200m and Thomas Barr in the 400m H

So if qualifying ended today Ireland would have an athletics team of 14 individual heading to Tokyo

IvoryTower · 05-03-2020 10:52am

Why would English lose points after winning national champs? Was the time too slow?

Itziger · 05-03-2020 11:00am

Aoife Cooke will have a rattle off the marathon QT soon. It's a big ask but she's going fairly well it seems.

Dodge · 05-03-2020 11:06am

IvoryTower wrote: »

Why would English lose points after winning national champs? Was the time too slow?

He got 40 points for winning it, and 1147 points for his ‘performance score’ (ie the time)

As a guide his outdoor national championship time (1:48:15) earned 1179 while his Birmingham Grand Prix winning time (1:45:94) earned him 1285

He also got 100 points for the national championship and 140 for winning the Grand Prix

IvoryTower · 05-03-2020 11:22am

Surprised he didnt look for a faster time at nationals but I'm sure he has his reason planned out anyway

05-03-2020 11:23am

IvoryTower wrote: »

Why would English lose points after winning national champs? Was the time too slow?

Because his performance at the European Indoor Championships is now more than 12 months old, so it drops off his ranking calculation. He got 1268 points for his performance in the Euros

djemba djemba · 05-03-2020 1:12pm

Itziger wrote: »

Aoife Cooke will have a rattle off the marathon QT soon. It's a big ask but she's going fairly well it seems.

I think in an article with Sonia O'Sullivan she said she is going to Vienna in April.

Dodge · 05-03-2020 1:41pm

Dodge wrote: »

Anyway back to athletics and the Olympics

World athletics update their rankings every Wednesday

On the women’s side Ciara Neville got 7 extra points and is now in a qualification spot. She’s 54 of 56 qualifiers. Marathon runner Anne Marie Glynn gained 17 points but she’s a bit outside the qualifiers (and it’s unlikely there’ll be any from the rankings...)

Neville (100m), Phil Healy (200m) and Michelle Finn (3,000m SC) are in qualification spots

On the men’s side Mark English lost 25 points but he’s still ranked in the qualifiers. As is Leon Reid and Marcus Lawlor in the 200m and Thomas Barr in the 400m H

So if qualifying ended today Ireland would have an athletics team of 14 individual heading to Tokyo

I missed Cian McManamon in the 20k walk. He’s 59/60 at the moment. Alex Wright has the time for 20k but would qualify for the 50k thanks to the ranks too

Lazare · 05-03-2020 2:19pm

Dodge wrote: »

I missed Cian McManamon in the 20k walk. He’s 59/60 at the moment. Alex Wright has the time for 20k but would qualify for the 50k thanks to the ranks too

Any idea where Coscoran ranks right now in the 1500?

05-03-2020 2:49pm

Lazare wrote: »

Any idea where Coscoran ranks right now in the 1500?

85th in the rankings: https://www.worldathletics.org/world-rankings/1500m/men?regionType=world&page=1&rankDate=2020-03-03&limitByCountry=0

Looks like 11 places off a qualifier spot: https://www.tokyorankings.com/mens1500

Dodge · 05-03-2020 4:01pm

Yeah. He’s 56th when the 3 per nation rule is applied

45 spots available

05-03-2020 4:06pm

Looks like he is set for a breakthrough time though outdoor. Here's hoping. He looked very strong in winning the indoors.

Ceepo · 26-06-2020 2:32pm

From the AIMS website.

Olympic Marathon qualification
Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:09:00 +0000

World Athletics has lifted the limitation of 80 runners in the Olympic Marathon fields.

Any athlete who has met the qualifying times of 2:11:30 (men) or 2:29:30 (women) is eligible for selection for their national teams (of 3 male and 3 female runners). Qualification through the world rankings will not be possible.

Before the coronavirus pandemic led to the suspension of the qualifying period 90 runners had qualified, with qualifications set to resume on 1 December and continue until 31 May 2021.

“There is no longer a limit of 80 athletes in the marathon,” said Jakob Larsen, the new Competitions Director at World Athletics. “At the same time, we are assuming that we will still meet the total number of athletes who can start in athletics at the Olympics.” The IOC has specified a maximum of 1900 starting positions for athletics..

I'm not sure where that will leave Scullion etc who haven't yet ran QT.
Anyone hazard a guess.

26-06-2020 3:00pm

That's a weird news piece. Despite it apparently being released 10 days ago, there only two google hits on a search for "There is no longer a limit of 80 athletes in the marathon", and one of them is just a letsrun thread linking to the original on AIMS. Nothing on World Athletics either. At best, I'd say it's some misinterpretation of an interview where possible approaches WA are considering were discussed. Aside from anything else, it doesn't even mention the third method of qualification: top 10 in a Gold Label event

Ceepo · 26-06-2020 4:33pm

28064212 wrote: »

That's a weird news piece. Despite it apparently being released 10 days ago, there only two google hits on a search for "There is no longer a limit of 80 athletes in the marathon", and one of them is just a letsrun thread linking to the original on AIMS. Nothing on World Athletics either. At best, I'd say it's some misinterpretation of an interview where possible approaches WA are considering were discussed. Aside from anything else, it doesn't even mention the third method of qualification: top 10 in a Gold Label event

Also thought it was a bit weird. As I hadn't heard anything about it before.
I seen it in LR but didn't want to link from there.

average_runner · 27-06-2020 8:23am

Ceepo wrote: »

From the AIMS website.

Olympic Marathon qualification
Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:09:00 +0000

World Athletics has lifted the limitation of 80 runners in the Olympic Marathon fields.

Any athlete who has met the qualifying times of 2:11:30 (men) or 2:29:30 (women) is eligible for selection for their national teams (of 3 male and 3 female runners). Qualification through the world rankings will not be possible.

Before the coronavirus pandemic led to the suspension of the qualifying period 90 runners had qualified, with qualifications set to resume on 1 December and continue until 31 May 2021.

“There is no longer a limit of 80 athletes in the marathon,” said Jakob Larsen, the new Competitions Director at World Athletics. “At the same time, we are assuming that we will still meet the total number of athletes who can start in athletics at the Olympics.” The IOC has specified a maximum of 1900 starting positions for athletics..

I'm not sure where that will leave Scullion etc who haven't yet ran QT.
Anyone hazard a guess.

Be pretty crap to change it massively now.

healy1835 · 12-09-2020 9:35am

61:10ish from Scullion in Larne this morning. Some running. Seaward around 63 mins.

djemba djemba · 12-09-2020 12:27pm

healy1835 wrote: »

61:10ish from Scullion in Larne this morning. Some running. Seaward around 63 mins.

Didn't see it all but at what stage did farrah drop him.

Not quite an athlete to watch for Tokyo, but what about Tommy Hughes setting a world record for over 60's this morning too.

healy1835 · 12-09-2020 12:30pm

djemba djemba wrote: »

Didn't see it all but at what stage did farrah drop him.

Not quite an athlete to watch for Tokyo, but what about Tommy Hughes setting a world record for over 60's this morning too.

Farah & Scott dropped SS and Ben Connor with about 2 miles to go, Farah dropped the hammer then with about a km to go. Looked like a great course, but very exposed to the elements if the weather's not great.

jamule · 12-09-2020 2:54pm

3min pb for scullion, He will be giving out now he didn't beat Craggs record but thats a good thing.

average_runner · 13-09-2020 8:24am

jamule wrote: »

3min pb for scullion, He will be giving out now he didn't beat Craggs record but thats a good thing.

Scullion could run a big time in London

13-09-2020 6:31pm

average_runner wrote: »

Scullion could run a big time in London

Training with Mo must be bringing him on.

Tokyo 2020 Qualifying. Athletes to watch

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