Tyrone GAA Discussion Thread

frostyjacks · 15-08-2015 11:52pm

Funny how Meath have declined as a footballing power since punching, kicking and stamping started to get frowned upon.

Should be a good Tyrone support out on Sunday, there's a buzz about this team this year. Quite an achievement considering the beating we took off Monaghan at the start of the league.

Hammer Archer · 16-08-2015 12:18pm

frostyjacks wrote: »

Funny how Meath have declined as a footballing power since punching, kicking and stamping started to get frowned upon.

Still finding it hard to build that bridge from 1996 then?
Do you not remember the Battle of Omagh, by the way?

For the record, while McCann's actions were embarrassing, I also find the proposed sanction ridiculous especially given Shields' only slightly less embarrassing actions just weeks beforehand that went unpunished.

Saint Sonner · 17-08-2015 2:53pm

Maurice Deegans the ref - what do you think of that?

Jayop · 17-08-2015 4:43pm

Saint Sonner wrote: »

Maurice Deegans the ref - what do you think of that?

I don't really mind. By and large I think they're all as good/bad as each other. If I had a preference I'd probably take the young lad from Meath but it's no biggie. Duffy is the pits, but he won't be reffing Tyrone again for a while I'd imagine.

Jayop · 17-08-2015 5:25pm

Back Page of the herald/

Also, Rachel Wyse has said on Twitter that Harte has given a really good and thoughtful interview to Sky which will be published/broadcast later in the week. Looking forward to that.

Jayop · 17-08-2015 5:29pm

Good article in the Strabane Chronicle too.

http://strabanechronicle.com/2015/08/tyrone-ready-for-latest-chapter-in-enduring-kerry-rivalry/

This line was interesting;

"Of the 31 players currently on the Red Hand panel, only four, the McMahons and the Cavanaghs, made their championship debuts before 2010."

For a side that we always hear about how experienced and battle hardened they are 27 of the 31 man panel has only played for 5 years or less.

keane2097 · 17-08-2015 5:35pm

Jayop wrote: »

Good article in the Strabane Chronicle too.

http://strabanechronicle.com/2015/08/tyrone-ready-for-latest-chapter-in-enduring-kerry-rivalry/

This line was interesting;

"Of the 31 players currently on the Red Hand panel, only four, the McMahons and the Cavanaghs, made their championship debuts before 2010."

For a side that we always hear about how experienced and battle hardened they are 27 of the 31 man panel has only played for 5 years or less.

I find this "fourth straight win in Croke Park" thing fairly tedious. I don't know how many Ulster teams Kerry have to beat before we can get back to taking games on their individual merits.

The last time the two teams met in the Championship Kerry beat Tyrone out the gate, but we're ignoring that and going back seven years because Croke Park

Jayop · 17-08-2015 5:43pm

keane2097 wrote: »

I find this "fourth straight win in Croke Park" thing fairly tedious. I don't know how many Ulster teams Kerry have to beat before we can get back to taking games on their individual merits.

The last time the two teams met in the Championship Kerry beat Tyrone out the gate, but we're ignoring that and going back seven years because Croke Park

To be fair it's an article in a small regional paper in Tyrone. The writing is going to be fairly lopsided and Tyrone centric.

To be fair, they also refer to the beating in the championship and another bad one in the league.

"This will be Harte’s 79th championship game as manager of the Tyrone senior side, and of the 18 losses in that time, the one in Killarney, lost by 10 points three years ago, could prove most significant if they can make their way to a final against Dublin or Mayo next month.

It was essentially the final curtain on the squad that powered to three Sam Maguires in the previous decade with 12 players who featured that day no longer involved. It opened the door to a new team, one that appears ready to follow in the footsteps of those greats.

” It was one of those landmarks times, there’s been a few other times when we shipped a bit of a beating (too),” said Harte. ” That wouldn’t have been par for the course in the previous eight or 10 years.  We have had to learn from some hurtful defeats, and obviously our league defeat to Kerry in Killarney less time ago than that (2014) wasn’t pleasant either."

Stoner · 17-08-2015 5:47pm

That's true if you can't bang on about Tyrone in the Tyrone forum via a Tyrone paper where can you do it.

I think it's fair enough, he mentions the three wins and the years, then he says how Kerry have had the upper hand for the last 7 years.

He talks about how the modern game can't be played with too many over 30's

He pays huge complements to Kerry, apart from that one comment about going for wins in a row, its mainly bigging up Kerry and detailing how little of the old team he has left now and how old they are.

He has to find positives, he's the Tyrone manager. You can't expect him to just talk about how much better Kerry are and say we'll do our best, put up a good fight etc.

keane2097 · 17-08-2015 5:49pm

Yeah I don't mind the article, nice to hear a few quotes from Harte.

I've seen this imaginary four in a row crop up a few times now, as I mentioned on Twitter there seems to be some ham-fisted attempt to create a new record to be maintained every time we play a team from Ulster.

Apparently we're ignoring games outside of Croke Park now for the sake of flogging the the dead horse of 03, 05, 08 for one last time. If Kerry get the win on Sunday I look forward to the next time to hear about how Kerry haven't beaten a team from Ulster with red in their strip by more than two points when Jupiter was in the constellation of Pegasus since 1983.

Jayop · 17-08-2015 5:49pm

Stoner wrote: »

That's true if you can't bang on about Tyrone in the Tyrone forum via a Tyrone paper where can you do it.

I bang on about Tyrone no matter where I am and who's listening.

Jayop · 17-08-2015 5:52pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Yeah I don't mind the article, nice to hear a few quotes from Harte.

I've seen this imaginary four in a row crop up a few times now, as I mentioned on Twitter there seems to be some ham-fisted attempt to create a new record to be maintained every time we play a team from Ulster.

Apparently we're ignoring games outside of Croke Park now for the sake of flogging the the dead horse of 03, 05, 08 for one last time. If Kerry get the win on Sunday I look forward to the next time to hear about how Kerry haven't beaten a team from Ulster with red in their strip by more than two points when Jupiter was in the constellation of Pegasus since 1983.

I think the tone from Harte is closer to a lot of Tyrone supporters feelings re Kerry. The three in a row is gone and dead, the fact is that if we were really going for four in a row we wouldn't be the massive underdogs we are.

Some people, particularly the cheerleading local press will try to kid people into thinking we've got a much better chance but that's not the reality on the ground.

And anyway, going into a game against Kerry are we better off talking ourselves up or accepting that we're the underdogs? I'd imagine the later if it makes any difference at all.

I'm rambling now aren't I??

keane2097 · 17-08-2015 5:53pm

Stoner wrote: »

That's true if you can't bang on about Tyrone in the Tyrone forum via a Tyrone paper where can you do it.

A fair point!

frostyjacks · 17-08-2015 6:03pm

I love that we will always have those three wins over them. It's an open wound for them, sounds like it will never heal, even if we never beat them again.

Let's hope on Sunday the young lads can emulate what's gone before. Kerry will go for the jugular, try and get an early goal like against Donegal. We have to start at 100mph, can't let them build a lead over us.

Stoner · 17-08-2015 6:03pm

keane2097 wrote:

A fair point!

Actually looking in at this from as a "neutral"
The Tyrone Kerry game is much more interesting than Monaghan Kerry.

I wouldn't give Monaghan much of a chance against Kerry.

But Tyrone might do something. Or get completely hammered by Kerry just to prove a point.

We get to watch on.

Jayop · 17-08-2015 6:08pm

Stoner wrote: »

Actually looking in at this from as a "neutral"
The Tyrone Kerry game is much more interesting than Monaghan Kerry.

I wouldn't give Monaghan much of a chance against Kerry.

But Tyrone might do something. Or get completely hammered by Kerry just to prove a point.

We get to watch on.

7am in a bar in San Francisco

I need to find a bar open at that ungodly hour to watch it in.

Saint Sonner · 18-08-2015 10:01am

Jayop wrote: »

7am in a bar in San Francisco

I need to find a bar open at that ungodly hour to watch it in.

GAA Go??

Peist2007 · 18-08-2015 12:48pm

Stoner wrote: »

Actually looking in at this from as a "neutral"
The Tyrone Kerry game is much more interesting than Monaghan Kerry.

I wouldn't give Monaghan much of a chance against Kerry.

But Tyrone might do something. Or get completely hammered by Kerry just to prove a point.

We get to watch on.

I was of the opinion last week that Tyrone would have a good chance of upsetting Kerry based on what i have seen over the past few months. However, given the OTT backlash after the Monaghan game and the appointment of Maurice Deegan as ref, i fully expect Kerry to get every decision next Sunday and win the game. Expect the black card rule to be applied differently to Kerry also. Sad but will be the case in my opinion.

Stoner · 18-08-2015 2:23pm

I'm going along now anyway looking forward to it.

keeponhurling · 18-08-2015 3:11pm

Nobody fancied Down to beat reigning champions Kerry in 2010 either

But their record v Kerry undoubtably gave them belief

ciarriaithuaidh · 18-08-2015 3:47pm

keeponhurling wrote: »

Nobody fancied Down to beat reigning champions Kerry in 2010 either

But their record v Kerry undoubtably gave them belief

True up to a point, but Kerry's midfield for the 2010 Down game was Seamus Scanlon and Micheál Quirke. Tomás O'Sé and the then POTY Galvin were both suspended.

I would hope, we are not that depleted for Sunday.

Jayop · 18-08-2015 4:26pm

Saint Sonner wrote: »

GAA Go??

I hope that I don't need to and if I do I hope the hotel I'm in has decent enough wifi to put it on if I do use GAA Go.

Anyway, as is my trend I like to change my FB profile in honour of big games coming up. Last time out it was Cavanagh doing a superman impression on mcManus and this time I've gone for this classic.

:cool:

keane2097 · 18-08-2015 4:31pm

Jayop wrote: »

I hope that I don't need to and if I do I hope the hotel I'm in has decent enough wifi to put it on if I do use GAA Go.

Anyway, as is my trend I like to change my FB profile in honour of big games coming up. Last time out it was Cavanagh doing a superman impression on mcManus and this time I've gone for this classic.

:cool:

Black card ref

Jayop · 18-08-2015 4:32pm

Beardy boys on tour!

ciarriaithuaidh · 18-08-2015 4:39pm

Would've thought you'd go with the 2003 "swarm" Jayop!

Tommy wasn't hectic in that game, but had a great goal chance in 1st half when he possibly should've passed to Donaghy. He also skinned Joe McMahon and fisted a great point in 2nd half..and was promptly taken off a few mins later. :rolleyes:

Just a bad, bad day from our viewpoint.

Jayop · 18-08-2015 4:42pm

I think I enjoyed that one more. 2003 was the semi final and as good as it was to beat ye it's not the same as winning the match. I think given all the talk of sledging this summer, the image of a dirty looking bearded McMahon screaming into the clean baby faced Walsh was an obvious choice.

Ah good times.

keane2097 · 18-08-2015 4:50pm

The atmosphere at that final in 03 was one of the best I every saw.

Jayop · 18-08-2015 4:54pm

keane2097 wrote: »

The atmosphere at that final in 03 was one of the best I every saw.

The Armagh game? Yeah it was only final I've been to and it was some craic.

keane2097 · 18-08-2015 4:56pm

Jayop wrote: »

The Armagh game? Yeah it was only final I've been to and it was some craic.

Yeah Mexican Waves and the whole lot at half time!

Jayop · 18-08-2015 5:00pm

I don't remember that, but then again I've a piss poor memory for anything that happened more than 5 minutes ago. I'd imagine at half time i was queuing up with all the other plebs for a pint.

Jippo · 18-08-2015 6:06pm

frostyjacks wrote: »

I love that we will always have those three wins over them. It's an open wound for them, sounds like it will never heal, even if we never beat them again.

I have to admit that for me (but not many or all Kerry fans), there is certainly a wound there.

However note that Kerry have lost more finals (21) than any other county and keep coming back for more.

Bowed but never beaten.

ciarriaithuaidh · 18-08-2015 7:12pm

Jippo wrote: »

I have to admit that for me (but not many or all Kerry fans), there is certainly a wound there.

However note that Kerry have lost more finals (21) than any other county and keep coming back for more.

Bowed but never beaten.

As any sports fan will know, you hate watching back games your side lost, especially finals..but I don't tire of watching the 2005 final. Still think it's the best I've seen and in fairness, the better team won on the day.

2003, Tyrone would have won no matter what way they played, Kerry were on the slide at the end of Paidí's reign. Tyrone were well worth their 7 point winning margin.

The only defeat that irks me any bit is 2008. It's a game I think we had the personnel, the chances, the opportunity to win..but didn't. Even with that, it's more of an inward anger because some players and the management didn't grasp the opportunity. I think describing it as a wound is grossly overstating it anyway, but can only speak for myself.

Jayop · 18-08-2015 11:05pm

I knew the Sunday Game twitter had favourited the Moyles tweet about knocking seven shades of ****e out of Tyrone, but they also favourited this one from him..

Sean Cavanagh has become 1 of the biggest divers in the game ..he is a disgrace in trying 2 get lads sent off or booked..stand up

That's some bollocks tbf.

http://ulsterherald.com/2015/08/18/rte-accused-of-tyrone-bias-over-twitter-activities/

mfceiling · 19-08-2015 11:55am

I'm going to go against the grain here as a tyrone man and say I agree with the ban for McCann. His actions were disgraceful and it was like something you'd see in the premiership. To balance it though I think the gaa need to follow the example of rugby and have an independent person rewatch games and cite anyone/anything that was missed by the ref.

Killer here is that people look back at tyrone and talk about their antics but to me they took no prisoners and it was almost one in all in. Now a lad gets his hair ruffled and he's on the ground in a heartbeat. I couldn't see Dooher or any other lads from 02-08 doing that...The monaghan lad would have ended up on his arse!!

Jayop · 19-08-2015 1:51pm

So are you happy with the inconsistent approach of the gaa given there was another dive in the very same game that hasn't been punished.

Everyone I know in tyrone agree the the dive was cat and divers should be banned. The issue is with punishing one player and not the others on a trumped up charge.

ProudDUB · 19-08-2015 3:11pm

Jayop wrote: »

So are you happy with the inconsistent approach of the gaa given there was another dive in the very same game that hasn't been punished.

Everyone I know I'm tyrone agree the the dive was cat and divers should be banned. The issue is with punishing one player and not the others on a trumped up charge.

I agree with this 100%. I'm all for handing out yellow cards/black cards/retrospective bans for diving, be it from the ref during the game, or the CCCC does it after the match video has been reviewed. But there has to be consistency, right across the board. All players should be treated equally, regardless of who they are, or whether or not their team lost. To penalize McCann, but not Michael Shields for his dive is madness imo.

mfceiling · 19-08-2015 5:21pm

Jayop wrote: »

So are you happy with the inconsistent approach of the gaa given there was another dive in the very same game that hasn't been punished.

Everyone I know in tyrone agree the the dive was cat and divers should be banned. The issue is with punishing one player and not the others on a trumped up charge.

The inconsistency is brutal alright. Who knows this is maybe a line drawn in the sand and from now on it will be policed much better. I do think tyrone do get hammered a lot from other counties and the press but unfortunately we bring a lot of it on ourselves. Still if we beat kerry on Sunday I'll be in Croke Park come September!!

#fairweatherfan

Jayop · 19-08-2015 5:23pm

mfceiling wrote: »

The inconsistency is brutal alright. Who knows this is maybe a line drawn in the sand and from now on it will be policed much better. I do think tyrone do get hammered a lot from other counties and the press but unfortunately we bring a lot of it on ourselves. Still if we beat kerry on Sunday I'll be in Croke Park come September!!

#fairweatherfan

You can't draw a line in the sand at a semi final though. It's nonsense.

I'm 10000000% convinced that if this had been a Dublin/Kerry/Mayo player in the exact same incident there wouldn't have been any proposed ban.

mfceiling · 19-08-2015 5:48pm

Jayop wrote: »

You can't draw a line in the sand at a semi final though. It's nonsense.

I'm 10000000% convinced that if this had been a Dublin/Kerry/Mayo player in the exact same incident there wouldn't have been any proposed ban.

Probably not but tyrone always seem to called up for "dirty" play and it's sticking. Sean going down and doing 20 rolls is stupid looking and draws fouls, but it also draws attention to the fact that he over reacts and therefore it's more negative press our way.

I don't know what way we'll go forward but if we keep providing ammo for our foes then we'll continue to get shot. I agree with you that the inconsistency is ridiculous in the gaa...Maybe the whole furore over "hairgate" will eventually bring about a consistency that has been never been there.

BonnieSituation · 19-08-2015 8:09pm

Brian McGuigan and Darragh Ó Sé were o OTB there.

Defo worth getting the podcast.

Honestly lads I would give my right bollock to watch the 2003-2008 team play again. Never in my life.

Jayop · 19-08-2015 8:09pm

The vast vast majority of what goes on in our games is from both sides. To me it looks like if teams want to play football against us then we'll play football, if they want to fight then we'll fight.

I can put up with whatever they do if they can get another AI. You'd prefer it to be without diving, but you're incredibly harsh on Sean there. He was fouled every time he went down, an arm round the neck in the first half, a knee in the back in the second, another knee in the back followed by a punch in the head from Finley and then an elbow in the back from McManus.

It's actually sickening that Cavanagh's behavior is questioned given the abuse he got in that game.

Jayop · 19-08-2015 8:09pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Brian McGuigan and Darragh Ó Sé were o OTB there.

Defo worth getting the podcast.

Honestly lads I would give my right bollock to watch the 2003-2008 team play again. Never in my life.

Was listening on my lunch break. Excellent stuff.

Jayop · 19-08-2015 11:05pm

The McCann Ban is over turned. They still done enough damage to our and his preparations with this crap. Forcing a lad to go to Dublin a few days before the biggest game of his life on a stupid charge that they had to know would never stick is scandalous.

ciarriaithuaidh · 19-08-2015 11:07pm

Jayop wrote: »

The McCann Ban is over turned. They still done enough damage to our and his preparations with this crap. Forcing a lad to go to Dublin a few days before the biggest game of his life on a stupid charge that they had to know would never stick is scandalous.

The utterly predictable outcome of course..why the fcuk did they bother wasting all the time, money and adverse publicity?:rolleyes:

Jayop · 19-08-2015 11:08pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

The utterly predictable outcome of course..why the fcuk did they bother wasting all the time, money and adverse publicity?:rolleyes:

To teach Tyrone a lesson is the only plausible reason I can think of. We know that the decision to charge him in the first place was largely because of the pressure they were getting from "dublin based journos".

Can you think of a more plausible reason?

ciarriaithuaidh · 19-08-2015 11:14pm

Jayop wrote: »

To teach Tyrone a lesson is the only plausible reason I can think of. We know that the decision to charge him in the first place was largely because of the pressure they were getting from "dublin based journos".

Can you think of a more plausible reason?

The people making these decisions are incompetent clowns?

Fair waste, given we all knew this would be the outcome.

Better referees, referees ONLY to be used as umpires for championship games (NOT the refs old buddies) and encourage more yellow cards for diving. That's the solution, not to pick 1 guy (for an admitedly idiotic act) and try to throw the book at him mid-season based on a twitter frenzy.

Stoner · 20-08-2015 12:48am

ciarriaithuaidh wrote:

, not to pick 1 guy (for an admitedly idiotic act) and try to throw the book at him mid-season based on a twitter frenzy.

I agree. But if we are in this situation next year we can forget about the game.

To do what he did deserves a ban, but for everyone that does it. Use video evidence when you have it. Bin that rule about only being able to deal with issues if the ref missed it.
All simple free solutions.
I'm glad he's free to play

Jayop · 20-08-2015 12:56am

Meylers black was rescinded.

Poor orourke will be crying.

Jippo · 20-08-2015 8:33am

Jayop wrote: »

Meylers black was rescinded.

On what grounds? This is nonsense.

Jayop · 20-08-2015 9:55am

Jippo wrote: »

On what grounds? This is nonsense.

I don't know. At best it was a questionable decision anyway.

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