Ashes 17-18

StringerBell wrote: »

Yeah, gonna go out on a limb here and say Australia will not be losing this Test match, worrying for England with many people feeling this was their best chance at a win. There is just nothing in that attack (beyond Broad and Anderson) to worry them.

England 29/1 in reply so far, Starc taking out Stoneman lbw.

Minimum of 20 overs remaining today, never mind not losing if Australia can knock over another couple they put themselves in a strong position to win this match.

Yeah, sadly thats a very accurate assessment, as an England fan I think we're doomed. And a whitewash beckons.

KevIRL wrote: »

Rain at an opportune time for England

O familiarity

Yeah looks like the weather is about the only thing that might save them in this match!

Chance for them again to show some steel though and for the top order to stand up and give themselves a chance at getting out with a draw.

Rekop dog wrote: »

Fairly bad time for Root to run into bad form for England.

5-0 looking a distinct possibility right now.

Fuppin depressing.

KevIRL wrote: »

Ah nothing says Christmas quite like an English collapse down under

Very true. These are two very, very average sides, England making Australia look much better than they actually are.

227 all out and Australia don't enforce the follow on

How much is Steve Smith regretting not enforcing the follow on now?

KevIRL wrote: »

How much is Steve Smith regretting not enforcing the follow on now?

I can understand the decision, it isn't one I'd have taken myself though. Time being the most important factor playing into his decision I'd imagine, stumps came at a good time for them. Try to regroup overnight now and bat till tea tomorrow if necessary or just after lunch even depending on the RR.

Have a good go at getting them out then. Hoping to have a day and a half almost to do it.

From Englands point of view, a sniff at snatching a victory?

Edit: Its about a 270 run deficit as is, not many more needed realistically to feel secure enough.

The conditions is the reason I would have put them back in, under lights, new ball, try get the top order out of there quick and have a handy time picking off the lower order over 2 days.

Who knows, maybe one or two of the quicks are feeling little niggles and he saw it as a chance to rest up for a little while, its a long series after all, not a whole lot of depth outside the first choice attack either. Maybe he felt so confident with how toothless England have been about setting a big enough score in a couple of sessions would give the lads a little break?

Either way he will now be hoping his choice won't turn out to be as big an error as Root's one in putting Australia in

I think they will bat strong in the morning and look to declare at lunch, if things go badly I think they will try get another 120/130 runs on the board and declare.

Who knows, maybe Smithy will be feeling bold and just try to add 70/80 runs and go for the quick declaration, hoping there is just enough time left for England to feel they have a realistic chance at chasing this down instead of trying to survive, be easier to bowl them out if they are actively trying to win.

I just can't agree with the line of thinking, I take your point on it. I just disagree, ce la vie I guess

I would absolutely have enforced the follow on, for the reasons that England are demoralised, they are out of touch at the top of the order, they are going to be facing tricky conditions with a new ball and the bowling attacks tails up from bowling them out cheaply already, you knock over a couple of wickets early you wrap it up in 4 days, 2 nil up in the series, one hand on the trophy knowing there is plenty of time if England do manage to put together a strong partnership at some point. The worst outcome from Australian point of view most of the time there is England bat themselves to safety, but not to victory. They would not be racking up runs at any sort of a decent clip for fear of losing wickets, they would be trying to occupy as much time as possible, which they will be doing when they are back out to bat.

The whitewash could well and truly have been on if you put your foot on the throat of the opposition there and don't give them a squeak. Make them bat for their lives, they have not shown any kind of mental toughness to stand up to that or the ability to bat 400 going on the previous 3 innings you have to on at that point.

Handscomb and night watchsman Lyon gone. Australia 75/6. It's on.

Anderson gets his five for.

Australia all out for 138.

And now stoneman. It's the hope that must kill the England fans

Plenty of time for England, this should be a very good finish now they have fully taken advantage of Smiths error (imo) in terms of getting Australia out before they were ready. Get a bit of confidence back, even to carry forward to the next Test.

Next session is obviously a biggie, see how they go under lights.

Hazlewood and Starc both been loose, other then that they have controlled the RR again quite well from where it had been, tomorrow is going to be a cracker of a day!

England have 151 runs, they have about 64 off Starc alone like

Aegir wrote: »

loved the Barmy Army telling Smith to review that last one

Ah they are at it the whole time now

Smith is definitely very riled up, and the Australians are very frustrated out there. Won't be an easy nights sleep for Smith, need to really regroup and come out focused again tomorrow.

Brilliant from Cummins, he has been good.

Very important for Root now to just hold on and make sure he doesn't get out before the end.

Aegir wrote: »

If Root and Woakes bat out the first session, then you would have to fancy England's chances. A wicket early doors puts the game right back in to Australia's hands.

Root going early and it is game over.

Test cricket, it's boring, right?

Root is the crucial wicket alright, he has batted brilliantly leading from the front. Showing real grit out there too and giving the rest of them something to look up to.

Woakes is a handy bastman, Ali and Bairstow to come too so runs could very well come at a good clip.

I can see Stuart Broad hitting the winning runs before tea tomorrow

Or a typical swift batting collapse once Root is taken care of, also before tea!

Cummins has bowled really well, he looks to be getting a bit of reverse too which will be interesting for the morning session. The new ball is 18 overs away.

Starc has been bad, Josh has good control and Lyon always looks likely, a 5th bowling option would be handy in these situations.

As I said earlier, gonna be a cracker of a final day either way

Rekop dog wrote: »

They've improve their position from almost hopeless yesterday to given themselves a fighting chance tomorrow but you'd prefer to be in Australia's position right now all day long.

The two are mutually exclusive though.

Day 4: England well on top.
Day 5: Australia still favourites

Maybe you misunderstood my post? Maybe my post wasn't clear? Either way

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The ask isn't as big as you might think either, time is not an issue at all. You have Root in and set, looking in good touch. More batting to come and a couple of big hitters at that. Australia have no reviews left, England have 2. Australia are frustrated and England are in the ascendancy.

It is a big ask, don't get me wrong. It is not mission impossible though,that batting surface is still good.

After day 2 I would have given England about a 2% chance of coming out of this with a win, after day 4 I think they have a much better chance than that!

Yeah I get it, you thought I meant well on top in the Test, I only meant well on top in terms of that days play

All good