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  • #102
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    shutup wrote: »
    No its not.
    Unless Ive picked you up wrong and you are talking about assisted pull ups.
    I think its mental to throw those numbers at a mid 40s female starting off.
    What percent of gym goers can do 15 pulls ups? Now think about what percent of those are female. Now think about what percent of those are mid 40s.
    I would say Ive never been in a gym where any female could do 15 pull ups.

    It would be like me starting running and someone in the running forum saying when you get a sub 3 hour marathon, you could start to aim for a sub 2.5

    The question was when to progress beyond narrow grip pull ups. My answer is when you can do 12-15. I stand by that absolutely.

    It's absolutely achievable and the person who asked the question has made a great start at it by doing 1-2.

    they/them/theirs


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  • #103
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    shutup wrote: »
    Just in case anyone is misunderstanding me. Im not having a go at you. I think its great you are trying bodyweight stuff as its my favourite type of training. Just pull ups are so hard for women that 15 is not realistic. My (female) friend is in great shape, good runner and experienced with kettlebells. She cant do one.
    The only women who can are very experienced and full time at the gym/lifestlye.

    So what's the answer? Give up?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #104
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    shutup wrote:
    It would be like me starting running and someone in the running forum saying when you get a sub 3 hour marathon, you could start to aim for a sub 2.5
    That would be perfectly reasonable advice.
    Aiming for a sub2.5 marathon before you've broken 3 is foolish.

    Pull ups are no different.


  • #105
    bladespin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭bladespin


    shutup wrote: »
    The only women who can are very experienced and full time at the gym/lifestlye.

    That's just not true, though most might have to start with assistance.
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  • #106
    Brian?
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    ....... wrote: »
    I have to admit, I only see about 3 people doing unassisted pull ups in either gym I go to and all 3 of them are young men.

    There is a woman (younger than me) who I have seen doing it, but she only does 2 or 3 and they are not very strict.

    I wondered about it for ages, until trying it for myself - now I understand why hardly anyone does it!!

    But I do know a woman about the same age as me who started doing pull ups a year ago and she can do 15 now - but she is a personal trainer/fitness machine who was coming from a very athletic background.

    There are different ways to build up. But I think the best way is try to do 8 sets of 2 for now. Break them up throughout your workout so not 8 sets in a row. If you can do 8 sets of 2, move on to 7 sets of 3 and so on, less sets with more reps until you can do 2x12. It might take ages to get there but fair play to you for making a great start.

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    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #107
    Bob Harris
    Registered Users Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭Bob Harris


    Brian? wrote: »
    The question was when to progress beyond narrow grip pull ups. My answer is when you can do 12-15. I stand by that absolutely.

    It's absolutely achievable and the person who asked the question has made a great start at it by doing 1-2.

    Are you saying they should only move to wide grip pull ups once they can do 12-15 narrow grip pull ups?

    At the moment they can do a couple of chin ups "Then there is a narrow set, these are shaped more like horns, the grip is narrow, with palm facing and they are higher than the other grips (the horns point up) I can pull up unassisted on the last type" They say pull up but mean chin ups.

    I agree, whatever they can do now is a good start but 12-15 strict pull ups is not realistic.


  • #108
    shutup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭shutup


    Mellor wrote: »
    That would be perfectly reasonable advice.
    Aiming for a sub2.5 marathon before you've broken 3 is foolish.

    Pull ups are no different.

    You think that someone starting off running should be talking about sub 3 hour marathons?
    I think that’s a pretty good way of making someone feel like they are not succeeding because it’s completely unrealistic for 99.99999999999999% of people.

    15 strict pull ups for a mid 40s woman is not different.


  • #109
    .......
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    shutup wrote: »
    Just in case anyone is misunderstanding me. Im not having a go at you. I think its great you are trying bodyweight stuff as its my favourite type of training. Just pull ups are so hard for women that 15 is not realistic. My (female) friend is in great shape, good runner and experienced with kettlebells. She cant do one.
    The only women who can are very experienced and full time at the gym/lifestlye.

    Not at all, I didnt think you were.


  • #110
    .......
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    Brian? wrote: »
    There are different ways to build up. But I think the best way is try to do 8 sets of 2 for now. Break them up throughout your workout so not 8 sets in a row. If you can do 8 sets of 2, move on to 7 sets of 3 and so on, less sets with more reps until you can do 2x12. It might take ages to get there but fair play to you for making a great start.

    Sure havent I got the next 40 years to keep working on it eh!


  • #111
    eoinob50
    Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭eoinob50


    shutup wrote: »
    Just in case anyone is misunderstanding me. Im not having a go at you. I think its great you are trying bodyweight stuff as its my favourite type of training. Just pull ups are so hard for women that 15 is not realistic. My (female) friend is in great shape, good runner and experienced with kettlebells. She cant do one.
    The only women who can are very experienced and full time at the gym/lifestlye.

    Haha what a load of sh1t!! And not half condescending to women!! Your friend is experienced with kettlebells, and that has what got to do with pulls ups.

    I started training my GF 4 months back, at the time she could only do 2 to 3 assisted now can do 4 sets of 12-10 and believe me she is not experienced or living the gym lifestyle just trains hard when she does train.

    Agree with @Brian? on this one, anyone can improve on any exercise so long as they are willing to give the time and be persistent with it.


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  • #112
    IvoryTower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    4 sets of 12 full hang? video evidence please :)

    It wouldn't surprise me if there's not a single person in my gym who can do that


    Obviously 12 is a long term dream but she's a long long loooooonnngg way off that and most don't get as high as 12 reps nevermind 4 sets of them. Anyway I don't think it really matters, I guess we're sidetracking the thread


  • #113
    eoinob50
    Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭eoinob50


    IvoryTower wrote: »
    4 sets of 12 full hang? video evidence please :)

    It wouldn't surprise me if there's not a single person in my gym who can do that


    Obviously 12 is a long term dream but she's a long long loooooonnngg way off that and most don't get as high as 12 reps nevermind 4 sets of them. Anyway I don't think it really matters, I guess we're sidetracking the thread

    Not sure what kind of gym you go to if no one can do at least one strict set of 12 😶🙄.

    Vid to please random guy on internet.... ahhh nah I'll pass and misses would kill me haha.

    And I agree, she is a long way off but it's certainly far from impossible.

    All it requires is persistaney and progression and implement techniques such as band work, forced reps, negatives, iso holds, varying sets and reps but progress on overload load moved etc.


  • #114
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Bob Harris wrote: »
    Are you saying they should only move to wide grip pull ups once they can do 12-15 narrow grip pull ups?

    At the moment they can do a couple of chin ups "Then there is a narrow set, these are shaped more like horns, the grip is narrow, with palm facing and they are higher than the other grips (the horns point up) I can pull up unassisted on the last type" They say pull up but mean chin ups.

    I agree, whatever they can do now is a good start but 12-15 strict pull ups is not realistic.

    Ahhh, I misread. They do mean chin ups. But same advice applies. Do chin ups until you can do 12-15, then move to pull ups and keep going.

    Why isn't 12-15 realistic? It's a long term goal. Should they just do the same thing forever and not progress?

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  • #115
    Brian?
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    shutup wrote: »
    You think that someone starting off running should be talking about sub 3 hour marathons?
    I think that’s a pretty good way of making someone feel like they are not succeeding because it’s completely unrealistic for 99.99999999999999% of people.

    15 strict pull ups for a mid 40s woman is not different.

    So what's your advice, I ask again? Not bother because it's impossible? What should the goal be?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #116
    shutup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭shutup


    eoinob50 wrote: »
    And not half condescending to women!!

    There’s always one spanner who goes down that route.
    I’ve been to three CrossFit competitions where I’ve been blown away with what both the men and woman are capable of doing and still a very small number of those ladies could do 15 strict pull ups.
    Your imaginary GF is in great condition to be doing sets of 12.


  • #117
    IvoryTower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    I could possibly do 12, I can do 3 x 8 at the moment with full hang, 4 x 12 would likely take me another year or two tbh.


  • #118
    shutup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭shutup


    Brian? wrote: »
    Ahhh, I misread. They do mean chin ups. But same advice applies. Do chin ups until you can do 12-15, then move to pull ups and keep going.

    Why isn't 12-15 realistic? It's a long term goal. Should they just do the same thing forever and not progress?

    Hi Brian
    The point is. Setting a goal of 15 so early is not a good advice. Any decent coach will tell you that starting off with talk of a level that is simply unachievable for most normal people is not a good idea.
    Walk before you run.
    What would you tell me if I stated I’m going to take up horse riding and probably going to ride a winner at punchestown next year?


  • #119
    Bob Harris
    Registered Users Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭Bob Harris


    shutup wrote: »
    Hi Brian
    The point is. Setting a goal of 15 so early is not a good advice. Any decent coach will tell you that starting off with talk of a level that is simply unachievable for most normal people is not a good idea.
    Walk before you run.
    What would you tell me if I stated I’m going to take up horse riding and probably going to ride a winner at punchestown next year?

    Are we talking the horse or the jockey?


  • #120
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    shutup wrote: »
    Hi Brian
    The point is. Setting a goal of 15 so early is not a good advice. Any decent coach will tell you that starting off with talk of a level that is simply unachievable for most normal people is not a good idea.
    Walk before you run.
    What would you tell me if I stated I’m going to take up horse riding and probably going to ride a winner at punchestown next year?

    Can you stop with the nonsense analogies please, it adds nothing. The above is nothing to do with the question asked and the answer given.

    The question asked: i can do chin ups on handles A, when should I move on to handles B.

    The answer I gave: when you can comfortably do 12-15 on handles A move to B.

    That's absolutely nothing to do with goal setting, it's a simple answer to a simple question.

    What's your answer to the question asked?

    I also advised the poster on how to get from A to B. First goal is 8 sets of 2. Then 7 sets of 3 and so on. That's goal setting based on current level. Do you disagree with how the progression from 2 chin ups to pull ups works? If so, how would you advise them?

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  • #121
    eoinob50
    Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭eoinob50


    shutup wrote: »
    There’s always one spanner who goes down that route.
    I’ve been to three CrossFit competitions where I’ve been blown away with what both the men and woman are capable of doing and still a very small number of those ladies could do 15 strict pull ups.
    Your imaginary GF is in great condition to be doing sets of 12.

    Bahahah it was you you said 'women' can't.... so i think it was you who went down that route...

    And just because you probably can't pull you presumably fat arse up to do a pull up doesnt mean others can't :rolleyes:

    3 crossfit comps.... well why didn't you mention that before......

    Thanks ill let her know some tool on the internet thinks so ;)

    Back on point, a women asks for advice on how to get better on pull ups and your great words of wisdom are don't bother as impossible LMAO, hope you dont charge for your advice :eek:


  • #122
    shutup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭shutup


    Jesus there’s no help for you Eoin. Unable to take in information, aggressive and a liar who makes no sense.
    I meant you going down the route of trying to make a valid point into sexism.
    And the CrossFit competition point was to show that even amongst the strongest, fittest ladies who have dedicated their lives to the gym, 15 pull ups is still very difficult.
    Anyway you just showed from your writing style youre about 17 and youre unable to take any points on board so I’m not interested in discussing anything with you. You’ll be back to get th last word but we both know. Your girlfriend CANT do 4 sets of 12 or close to 15 pull ups.


  • #123
    IvoryTower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    she could be like, 6 stone


  • #124
    BossArky
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    Moderator Note: Warning for eoinob50. Keep it civil please.


  • #125
    BossArky
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    Moderator Note #2: Warning for shutup. Keep it civil please.


  • #126
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    IvoryTower wrote: »
    she could be like, 6 stone

    Thats the key, my niece can do pull ups forever but she is 12, a competitive swimmer and weighs around 6 stone.


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  • #127
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,654 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Here's a thread Hanley posted previously with pull up progressions.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=94357067



    Also, this thread would be more helpful and accessible for people who want to ask questions if there was less bickering.


  • #128
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    shutup wrote:
    You think that someone starting off running should be talking about sub 3 hour marathons?
    I think the problem here is you are misunderstanding the question completely. Nobody has said a beginner should aim for a sub3hr or 12-15 pull-ups.
    OP didn't ask "what should my short term goal be" they asked when should I progress to "X".
    If they never reach the first milestone, then they never progress to the second. It's incredibly simple.


  • #129
    Bob Harris
    Registered Users Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭Bob Harris


    Mellor wrote: »
    I think the problem here is you are misunderstanding the question completely. Nobody has said a beginner should aim for a sub3hr or 12-15 pull-ups.
    OP didn't ask "what should my short term goal be" they asked when should I progress to "X".
    If they never reach the first milestone, then they never progress to the second. It's incredibly simple.

    Brians? Answer....
    'If you're doing proper full range pull ups, you can slowly work your grip wider moving it out a few inches once you can do 12-15'

    I wouldn't agree that you should able to do 12-15 narrow grip pull ups before moving to a wider grip. She also states that she can't to any unassisted pull ups. Given her profile 12-15 of any type of pull up is unrealistic.
    I think it's Brian? who misunderstood the question.


  • #130
    bladespin
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    ....... wrote:
    I can pull up unassisted on the last type. Mostly because the grip is most comfortable, but also because presumably this recruits the biceps more?

    I don't read that as saying she can't do an unassisted pull up.
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  • #131
    Mellor
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    Bob Harris wrote:
    I wouldn't agree that you should able to do 12-15 narrow grip pull ups before moving to a wider grip.
    Ok, when do you think somebody should progress to wide grip?
    When they can do 6-8 pull-ups? 3 pull-ups?
    You think advising somebody to progress sooner because they might not be strong enough is better advice. Honestly?

    She also states that she can't to any unassisted pull ups. Given her profile 12-15 of any type of pull up is unrealistic
    That's irrelevant in terms of when they should progress. As I said, if they never get there, then they should never progress.


    I honestly don't understand the resistance to this idea tbh. If it was "you should only attempt a 100kg squat once you can do 90kg x 5" - would there be the same disagreement? Doubt it.


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  • #132
    paw patrol
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    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    I did find them good for core stability (anti rotation) and keeping everything aligned while rowing

    that what I thought they'd do but I'm just not feeling the love with them.
    It feels a crappy core and crappy row rolled into one as in i'm not stressing either. I feel I'd be much better doing them separately

    But thanks for reply.

    I'll probably avoid asking any questions on pull ups though :pac::pac:


  • #133
    Bob Harris
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    Mellor wrote: »
    Ok, when do you think somebody should progress to wide grip?
    When they can do 6-8 pull-ups? 3 pull-ups?
    You think advising somebody to progress sooner because they might not be strong enough is better advice. Honestly?



    That's irrelevant in terms of when they should progress. As I said, if they never get there, then they should never progress.


    I honestly don't understand the resistance to this idea tbh. If it was "you should only attempt a 100kg squat once you can do 90kg x 5" - would there be the same disagreement? Doubt it.

    If you can do 4-6 strict narrow grip pull ups why wouldn't you begin to progress towards a wider grip?

    The fact is they will probably never get to 12-15 narrow pull ups so they won't have to ever worry about wide grip ones anyway.

    It's akin to saying you should never sprint until you can do a 40min 10km.


  • #134
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    It's akin to saying you should never sprint until you can do a 40min 10km.
    Sprinting and distance running are complete different activities.
    The fact you think that's a valid analogy completely undermines your opinion tbh.


  • #135
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    If you can do 4-6 strict narrow grip pull ups why wouldn't you begin to progress towards a wider grip?
    For the sake of answering...

    Because you are nearly strong enough to complete proper sets at that point. Struggling through 1-2 reps if wide grip less beneficial than just turning your 4-6 to and 8-12.


  • #136
    Alf Veedersane
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    paw patrol wrote: »
    that what I thought they'd do but I'm just not feeling the love with them.
    It feels a crappy core and crappy row rolled into one as in i'm not stressing either. I feel I'd be much better doing them separately

    But thanks for reply.

    I'll probably avoid asking any questions on pull ups though :pac::pac:


    You could try single arm row with a cable. Feet close enough together and rowing back at waist height and core working against rotation.

    Or single arm inverted rows with bar, rings or TRX.


  • #137
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Bob Harris wrote: »
    If you can do 4-6 strict narrow grip pull ups why wouldn't you begin to progress towards a wider grip?

    Because you’re not strong enough to make the best use of them. Pull ups are not something you want to work in the 1-5 rep range in. They’re brilliant for shoulder mobility so high reps are what I’d be looking for.
    The fact is they will probably never get to 12-15 narrow pull ups so they won't have to ever worry about wide grip ones anyway.

    Why not? There is absolutely every chance they will.
    It's akin to saying you should never sprint until you can do a 40min 10km.

    Actually they’re nothing alike. I don’t see why you think they are.

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  • #138
    shutup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭shutup


    @bob
    It’s not worth it.
    You’re entering into a debate with someone who spends his days arguing with 12 year olds about who would win in a fight between Conor McGregor and Superman.


    Mod: banned


  • #139
    Bob Harris
    Registered Users Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭Bob Harris


    Brian? wrote: »
    Because you’re not strong enough to make the best use of them. Pull ups are not something you want to work in the 1-5 rep range in. They’re brilliant for shoulder mobility so high reps are what I’d be looking for.

    How many can do high rep pull ups for 3/4 sets? Not many.



    Why not? There is absolutely every chance they will.

    I mean this as no slight on the person who originally posted the query but it's unlikely.


    Actually they’re nothing alike. I don’t see why you think they are.

    It's just an analogy, don't get caught up on it    .

    ...


  • #140
    vargoo
    Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭vargoo


    Whats the thinking on here regarding supplements for healthy joints?

    The usual ones, Glucosamine/chondroition/MSM and not so usual, Pine Bark/Grape seed/Egg Membrane/Colostrum.

    Put them all together you have a pretty penny of....bullsh1t/synovial goodness?


  • #141
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,654 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    vargoo wrote: »
    Whats the thinking on here regarding supplements for healthy joints?

    The usual ones, Glucosamine/chondroition/MSM and not so usual, Pine Bark/Grape seed/Egg Membrane/Colostrum.

    Put them all together you have a pretty penny of....bullsh1t/synovial goodness?

    Not a huge amount of evidence behind glucosamine/chondroition which is why I dropped it.

    Examine.com is a really good source on supplements if you haven't checked it out already


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  • #142
    vargoo
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    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    Not a huge amount of evidence behind glucosamine/chondroition which is why I dropped it.

    Examine.com is a really good source on supplements if you haven't checked it out already

    Didn't try it with the first 3, has zero results about 3 of the other 4.


  • #143
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,654 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    vargoo wrote: »
    Didn't try it with the first 3, has zero results about 3 of the other 4.

    I'm not surprised there aren't too many studies on those :)

    Certain things, if you feel a benefit, go with it. There's a balance, I guess. The benefit can be intangible so even with studies behind them, it's still difficult to attribute anything to the supplements.


  • #144
    vargoo
    Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭vargoo


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    I'm not surprised there aren't too many studies on those :)

    Certain things, if you feel a benefit, go with it. There's a balance, I guess. The benefit can be intangible so even with studies behind them, it's still difficult to attribute anything to the supplements.

    Hmm, I actually left out 1 - Hyaluronic acid.

    I've ordered all of them...I'm mad:(:confused:, had an MRI and have cartilage issue on one knee, early 30s, GP says I shouldn't have wear, 2 physios disagreed on whether wear is common, they haven't a clue.

    Did a deep google dive the other night and came up with them supps, certain types of light/repetitive exercise, anti inflammatory diet yada yada, gonna do it all for 6 months and get another MRI. Their is studies that show cartilage DOES heal.

    The 3 geniuses said no.


  • #145
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    vargoo wrote: »
    Hmm, I actually left out 1 - Hyaluronic acid.

    I've ordered all of them...I'm mad:(:confused:, had an MRI and have cartilage issue on one knee, early 30s, GP says I shouldn't have wear, 2 physios disagreed on whether wear is common, they haven't a clue.

    Did a deep google dive the other night and came up with them supps, certain types of light/repetitive exercise, anti inflammatory diet yada yada, gonna do it all for 6 months and get another MRI. Their is studies that show cartilage DOES heal.

    The 3 geniuses said no.

    A cartilage issue can range from some small feathering of the cartilage to a ful tear. I don't think supplements are what you need, you need a referral to a specialist.

    I can give you the name of a very good orthopaedic consultant if you want. He did my last knee operation and I've no complaints.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #146
    vargoo
    Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭vargoo


    Brian? wrote: »
    A cartilage issue can range from some small feathering of the cartilage to a ful tear. I don't think supplements are what you need, you need a referral to a specialist.

    I can give you the name of a very good orthopaedic consultant if you want. He did my last knee operation and I've no complaints.

    PM me it plz + what had you done + price.

    I found a Physio that can read MRI, (he says, probably lying) seeing him later in week. Radiographer report is so light on detail it's annoying!

    GP just said stop running, be grand "you don't want to go surgery route", he can't read MRIs.

    Other physios after examining me, both said if I came in with the minor complaint I have they never would have recommended MRI. Carry on running when the complaint is resolved they said.

    I went MRI route first cuz I find all physios I've ever been to useless.

    Supplements are odd, after a good bit of reading some peoples bodies seems to respond and others not.

    I'm really not going to be happy until I find out how bad it is anyway but you'll never be right again after surgery though either.


  • #147
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Can't you paste the MRI report here?
    I've I'd two MRIs, both knees. That covered a few issues between them. For sporting reasons I've invest a bit of time studying the knee and other joints.
    Cartilage issue means nothing on its own. Which cartilage is important, as is the magnitude of the issue.
    You can regrow new articular cartilage, but not meniscus.


  • #148
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Mellor wrote: »
    Can't you paste the MRI report here?
    I've I'd two MRIs, both knees. That covered a few issues between them. For sporting reasons I've invest a bit of time studying the knee and other joints.
    Cartilage issue means nothing on its own. Which cartilage is important, as is the magnitude of the issue.
    You can regrow new articular cartilage, but not meniscus.

    Mod note: please don’t paste the MRI here, this is for a medical professional to review

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    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #149
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    vargoo wrote: »
    PM me it plz + what had you done + price.

    I found a Physio that can read MRI, (he says, probably lying) seeing him later in week. Radiographer report is so light on detail it's annoying!

    GP just said stop running, be grand "you don't want to go surgery route", he can't read MRIs.

    Other physios after examining me, both said if I came in with the minor complaint I have they never would have recommended MRI. Carry on running when the complaint is resolved they said.

    I went MRI route first cuz I find all physios I've ever been to useless.

    Supplements are odd, after a good bit of reading some peoples bodies seems to respond and others not.

    I'm really not going to be happy until I find out how bad it is anyway but you'll never be right again after surgery though either.

    I don’t understand what’s going on here at all. It sounds like you have people who can’t read MRIs making judgements. Who ordered the MRI??

    In my experience the escalation is: Physio thinks you need an MRI, refers you to GP. GP refers you to orthopaedic consultant who orders and reviews MRI.

    I don’t see the point in PM, my last knee op was don’t by Joe Sparks. He works out of the Hermitage in Lucan and has an office in Naas. Cost was €170 for initial consultation and everything else covered by Laya.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #150
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Mod note: please don’t paste the MRI here, this is for a medical professional to review
    Understand why you're saying that. Medical advice and all that jazz. Just trying to see the exact terms used in radiographer' report.

    Any time I've had a scan, the report listing findings in absolute terms (ACL intact, meniscus tear, mcl grade 2, etc). Don't know think I'd be relying on a physio


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  • #151
    Diceicle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Diceicle


    I'm starting to do some running. For scheduling reasons I sometimes run relatively late in the evening. I run for general fat loss.
    As it can be 9:30/10pm or so when I get back - should I replenish at that time of night? If so, banana or protein shake would be the best?
    Right now I don't have anything but some water to rehydrate.

    Thanks.


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