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Random Fitness Questions

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  • Registered Users Posts: 507 ✭✭✭ shutup


    Jesus there’s no help for you Eoin. Unable to take in information, aggressive and a liar who makes no sense.
    I meant you going down the route of trying to make a valid point into sexism.
    And the CrossFit competition point was to show that even amongst the strongest, fittest ladies who have dedicated their lives to the gym, 15 pull ups is still very difficult.
    Anyway you just showed from your writing style youre about 17 and youre unable to take any points on board so I’m not interested in discussing anything with you. You’ll be back to get th last word but we both know. Your girlfriend CANT do 4 sets of 12 or close to 15 pull ups.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭ IvoryTower


    she could be like, 6 stone


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭ BossArky


    Moderator Note: Warning for eoinob50. Keep it civil please.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭ BossArky


    Moderator Note #2: Warning for shutup. Keep it civil please.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭ .......


    IvoryTower wrote: »
    she could be like, 6 stone

    Thats the key, my niece can do pull ups forever but she is 12, a competitive swimmer and weighs around 6 stone.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭ Alf Veedersane


    Here's a thread Hanley posted previously with pull up progressions.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=94357067



    Also, this thread would be more helpful and accessible for people who want to ask questions if there was less bickering.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,526 ✭✭✭✭ Mellor


    shutup wrote:
    You think that someone starting off running should be talking about sub 3 hour marathons?
    I think the problem here is you are misunderstanding the question completely. Nobody has said a beginner should aim for a sub3hr or 12-15 pull-ups.
    OP didn't ask "what should my short term goal be" they asked when should I progress to "X".
    If they never reach the first milestone, then they never progress to the second. It's incredibly simple.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭ Bob Harris


    Mellor wrote: »
    I think the problem here is you are misunderstanding the question completely. Nobody has said a beginner should aim for a sub3hr or 12-15 pull-ups.
    OP didn't ask "what should my short term goal be" they asked when should I progress to "X".
    If they never reach the first milestone, then they never progress to the second. It's incredibly simple.

    Brians? Answer....
    'If you're doing proper full range pull ups, you can slowly work your grip wider moving it out a few inches once you can do 12-15'

    I wouldn't agree that you should able to do 12-15 narrow grip pull ups before moving to a wider grip. She also states that she can't to any unassisted pull ups. Given her profile 12-15 of any type of pull up is unrealistic.
    I think it's Brian? who misunderstood the question.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,187 ✭✭✭ bladespin


    ....... wrote:
    I can pull up unassisted on the last type. Mostly because the grip is most comfortable, but also because presumably this recruits the biceps more?

    I don't read that as saying she can't do an unassisted pull up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,526 ✭✭✭✭ Mellor


    Bob Harris wrote:
    I wouldn't agree that you should able to do 12-15 narrow grip pull ups before moving to a wider grip.
    Ok, when do you think somebody should progress to wide grip?
    When they can do 6-8 pull-ups? 3 pull-ups?
    You think advising somebody to progress sooner because they might not be strong enough is better advice. Honestly?

    She also states that she can't to any unassisted pull ups. Given her profile 12-15 of any type of pull up is unrealistic
    That's irrelevant in terms of when they should progress. As I said, if they never get there, then they should never progress.


    I honestly don't understand the resistance to this idea tbh. If it was "you should only attempt a 100kg squat once you can do 90kg x 5" - would there be the same disagreement? Doubt it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭ paw patrol


    I did find them good for core stability (anti rotation) and keeping everything aligned while rowing

    that what I thought they'd do but I'm just not feeling the love with them.
    It feels a crappy core and crappy row rolled into one as in i'm not stressing either. I feel I'd be much better doing them separately

    But thanks for reply.

    I'll probably avoid asking any questions on pull ups though :pac::pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭ Bob Harris


    Mellor wrote: »
    Ok, when do you think somebody should progress to wide grip?
    When they can do 6-8 pull-ups? 3 pull-ups?
    You think advising somebody to progress sooner because they might not be strong enough is better advice. Honestly?



    That's irrelevant in terms of when they should progress. As I said, if they never get there, then they should never progress.


    I honestly don't understand the resistance to this idea tbh. If it was "you should only attempt a 100kg squat once you can do 90kg x 5" - would there be the same disagreement? Doubt it.

    If you can do 4-6 strict narrow grip pull ups why wouldn't you begin to progress towards a wider grip?

    The fact is they will probably never get to 12-15 narrow pull ups so they won't have to ever worry about wide grip ones anyway.

    It's akin to saying you should never sprint until you can do a 40min 10km.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,526 ✭✭✭✭ Mellor


    It's akin to saying you should never sprint until you can do a 40min 10km.
    Sprinting and distance running are complete different activities.
    The fact you think that's a valid analogy completely undermines your opinion tbh.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,526 ✭✭✭✭ Mellor


    If you can do 4-6 strict narrow grip pull ups why wouldn't you begin to progress towards a wider grip?
    For the sake of answering...

    Because you are nearly strong enough to complete proper sets at that point. Struggling through 1-2 reps if wide grip less beneficial than just turning your 4-6 to and 8-12.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭ Alf Veedersane


    paw patrol wrote: »
    that what I thought they'd do but I'm just not feeling the love with them.
    It feels a crappy core and crappy row rolled into one as in i'm not stressing either. I feel I'd be much better doing them separately

    But thanks for reply.

    I'll probably avoid asking any questions on pull ups though :pac::pac:


    You could try single arm row with a cable. Feet close enough together and rowing back at waist height and core working against rotation.

    Or single arm inverted rows with bar, rings or TRX.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 19,169 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Brian?


    Bob Harris wrote: »
    If you can do 4-6 strict narrow grip pull ups why wouldn't you begin to progress towards a wider grip?

    Because you’re not strong enough to make the best use of them. Pull ups are not something you want to work in the 1-5 rep range in. They’re brilliant for shoulder mobility so high reps are what I’d be looking for.
    The fact is they will probably never get to 12-15 narrow pull ups so they won't have to ever worry about wide grip ones anyway.

    Why not? There is absolutely every chance they will.
    It's akin to saying you should never sprint until you can do a 40min 10km.

    Actually they’re nothing alike. I don’t see why you think they are.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 507 ✭✭✭ shutup


    @bob
    It’s not worth it.
    You’re entering into a debate with someone who spends his days arguing with 12 year olds about who would win in a fight between Conor McGregor and Superman.


    Mod: banned


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭ Bob Harris


    Brian? wrote: »
    Because you’re not strong enough to make the best use of them. Pull ups are not something you want to work in the 1-5 rep range in. They’re brilliant for shoulder mobility so high reps are what I’d be looking for.

    How many can do high rep pull ups for 3/4 sets? Not many.



    Why not? There is absolutely every chance they will.

    I mean this as no slight on the person who originally posted the query but it's unlikely.


    Actually they’re nothing alike. I don’t see why you think they are.

    It's just an analogy, don't get caught up on it
    .

    ...


  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭ vargoo


    Whats the thinking on here regarding supplements for healthy joints?

    The usual ones, Glucosamine/chondroition/MSM and not so usual, Pine Bark/Grape seed/Egg Membrane/Colostrum.

    Put them all together you have a pretty penny of....bullsh1t/synovial goodness?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭ Alf Veedersane


    vargoo wrote: »
    Whats the thinking on here regarding supplements for healthy joints?

    The usual ones, Glucosamine/chondroition/MSM and not so usual, Pine Bark/Grape seed/Egg Membrane/Colostrum.

    Put them all together you have a pretty penny of....bullsh1t/synovial goodness?

    Not a huge amount of evidence behind glucosamine/chondroition which is why I dropped it.

    Examine.com is a really good source on supplements if you haven't checked it out already


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  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭ vargoo


    Not a huge amount of evidence behind glucosamine/chondroition which is why I dropped it.

    Examine.com is a really good source on supplements if you haven't checked it out already

    Didn't try it with the first 3, has zero results about 3 of the other 4.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭ Alf Veedersane


    vargoo wrote: »
    Didn't try it with the first 3, has zero results about 3 of the other 4.

    I'm not surprised there aren't too many studies on those :)

    Certain things, if you feel a benefit, go with it. There's a balance, I guess. The benefit can be intangible so even with studies behind them, it's still difficult to attribute anything to the supplements.


  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭ vargoo


    I'm not surprised there aren't too many studies on those :)

    Certain things, if you feel a benefit, go with it. There's a balance, I guess. The benefit can be intangible so even with studies behind them, it's still difficult to attribute anything to the supplements.

    Hmm, I actually left out 1 - Hyaluronic acid.

    I've ordered all of them...I'm mad:(:confused:, had an MRI and have cartilage issue on one knee, early 30s, GP says I shouldn't have wear, 2 physios disagreed on whether wear is common, they haven't a clue.

    Did a deep google dive the other night and came up with them supps, certain types of light/repetitive exercise, anti inflammatory diet yada yada, gonna do it all for 6 months and get another MRI. Their is studies that show cartilage DOES heal.

    The 3 geniuses said no.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 19,169 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Brian?


    vargoo wrote: »
    Hmm, I actually left out 1 - Hyaluronic acid.

    I've ordered all of them...I'm mad:(:confused:, had an MRI and have cartilage issue on one knee, early 30s, GP says I shouldn't have wear, 2 physios disagreed on whether wear is common, they haven't a clue.

    Did a deep google dive the other night and came up with them supps, certain types of light/repetitive exercise, anti inflammatory diet yada yada, gonna do it all for 6 months and get another MRI. Their is studies that show cartilage DOES heal.

    The 3 geniuses said no.

    A cartilage issue can range from some small feathering of the cartilage to a ful tear. I don't think supplements are what you need, you need a referral to a specialist.

    I can give you the name of a very good orthopaedic consultant if you want. He did my last knee operation and I've no complaints.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭ vargoo


    Brian? wrote: »
    A cartilage issue can range from some small feathering of the cartilage to a ful tear. I don't think supplements are what you need, you need a referral to a specialist.

    I can give you the name of a very good orthopaedic consultant if you want. He did my last knee operation and I've no complaints.

    PM me it plz + what had you done + price.

    I found a Physio that can read MRI, (he says, probably lying) seeing him later in week. Radiographer report is so light on detail it's annoying!

    GP just said stop running, be grand "you don't want to go surgery route", he can't read MRIs.

    Other physios after examining me, both said if I came in with the minor complaint I have they never would have recommended MRI. Carry on running when the complaint is resolved they said.

    I went MRI route first cuz I find all physios I've ever been to useless.

    Supplements are odd, after a good bit of reading some peoples bodies seems to respond and others not.

    I'm really not going to be happy until I find out how bad it is anyway but you'll never be right again after surgery though either.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,526 ✭✭✭✭ Mellor


    Can't you paste the MRI report here?
    I've I'd two MRIs, both knees. That covered a few issues between them. For sporting reasons I've invest a bit of time studying the knee and other joints.
    Cartilage issue means nothing on its own. Which cartilage is important, as is the magnitude of the issue.
    You can regrow new articular cartilage, but not meniscus.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 19,169 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Brian?


    Mellor wrote: »
    Can't you paste the MRI report here?
    I've I'd two MRIs, both knees. That covered a few issues between them. For sporting reasons I've invest a bit of time studying the knee and other joints.
    Cartilage issue means nothing on its own. Which cartilage is important, as is the magnitude of the issue.
    You can regrow new articular cartilage, but not meniscus.

    Mod note: please don’t paste the MRI here, this is for a medical professional to review

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 19,169 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Brian?


    vargoo wrote: »
    PM me it plz + what had you done + price.

    I found a Physio that can read MRI, (he says, probably lying) seeing him later in week. Radiographer report is so light on detail it's annoying!

    GP just said stop running, be grand "you don't want to go surgery route", he can't read MRIs.

    Other physios after examining me, both said if I came in with the minor complaint I have they never would have recommended MRI. Carry on running when the complaint is resolved they said.

    I went MRI route first cuz I find all physios I've ever been to useless.

    Supplements are odd, after a good bit of reading some peoples bodies seems to respond and others not.

    I'm really not going to be happy until I find out how bad it is anyway but you'll never be right again after surgery though either.

    I don’t understand what’s going on here at all. It sounds like you have people who can’t read MRIs making judgements. Who ordered the MRI??

    In my experience the escalation is: Physio thinks you need an MRI, refers you to GP. GP refers you to orthopaedic consultant who orders and reviews MRI.

    I don’t see the point in PM, my last knee op was don’t by Joe Sparks. He works out of the Hermitage in Lucan and has an office in Naas. Cost was €170 for initial consultation and everything else covered by Laya.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 37,526 ✭✭✭✭ Mellor


    Mod note: please don’t paste the MRI here, this is for a medical professional to review
    Understand why you're saying that. Medical advice and all that jazz. Just trying to see the exact terms used in radiographer' report.

    Any time I've had a scan, the report listing findings in absolute terms (ACL intact, meniscus tear, mcl grade 2, etc). Don't know think I'd be relying on a physio


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭ Diceicle


    I'm starting to do some running. For scheduling reasons I sometimes run relatively late in the evening. I run for general fat loss.
    As it can be 9:30/10pm or so when I get back - should I replenish at that time of night? If so, banana or protein shake would be the best?
    Right now I don't have anything but some water to rehydrate.

    Thanks.


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