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Is Organised Child Trafficking in America for Real?

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  • #152
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Forget the FBI, we should hand this one to the real detectives; 4chan. And the amateur sleuths from the universities of Google and Youtube


  • #153
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Forget the FBI, we should hand this one to the real detectives; 4chan. And the amateur sleuths from the universities of Google and Youtube
    I thought you had critical thinking, that you checked out and debunked conspiracies that had no substance?
    I'm disappointed.
    https://vault.fbi.gov/the-finders/the-finders-part-01-of-01/view?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


  • #154
    Treppen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Familiar with Epstein. Also with Jimmy Saville, who was friends with a lot of people.

    I knew this thread was pizzagate when it started

    Invoking pizzagate seems to be a new way of stifling conversation a la Godwin's law (can't compare anything to Nazis anymore apparently).

    Maybe leaving pizzagate aside.

    Let's get back to Epstein's friend Bill who intervened to rescue known child abductors in Haiti (who were also represented by a known sex slave trafficker Jorge Puello). The accused were quickly flown back to the States on a US air force plane.

    Why would the Clintons do this? I'm not wanting to get into a Trump v Clinton side debate but just wondering why they would do this. Silby wasn't just moving orphans , she was actively rounding up kids on the streets taking them from existing families straight after an earthquake.


  • #155
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    What's the conspiracy here, in a nutshell?


  • #156
    Treppen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    What's the conspiracy here, in a nutshell?

    It's the thread title


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  • #157
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    What's the conspiracy here, in a nutshell?
    State senators murdered for inquiring into child trafficking.
    CIA responsible for child trafficking.


  • #158
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Treppen wrote: »
    Invoking pizzagate seems to be a new way of stifling conversation a la Godwin's law (can't compare anything to Nazis anymore apparently).

    Maybe leaving pizzagate aside.

    Let's get back to Epstein's friend Bill who intervened to rescue known child abductors in Haiti (who were also represented by a known sex slave trafficker Jorge Puello). The accused were quickly flown back to the States on a US air force plane.

    Why would the Clintons do this? I'm not wanting to get into a Trump v Clinton side debate but just wondering why they would do this. Silby wasn't just moving orphans , she was actively rounding up kids on the streets taking them from existing families straight after an earthquake.

    In that case the names involved are available in the Wikileaks Clinton emails.
    If you have evidence of where the children were going and were to be trafficked to paedo's I'm all ears. I've only seen mention of one going to a French family.
    The connection to Jorge Puello is interesting. He was on a wanted list for a number of years.
    As per Epstein it goes right to the top.
    I can see evidence going back to Roy M Cohn.


  • #159
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    State senators murdered for inquiring into child trafficking.

    Who murdered them?
    CIA responsible for child trafficking.

    Can you explain how this works..

    I am a well known US politician, closely followed by the media, scrutinised by the opposition, I walk up to the Central Intelligence Agency and expose myself as a pedophile

    Or how is it done..


  • #160
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Who murdered them?



    Can you explain how this works..

    I am a well known US politician, closely followed by the media, scrutinised by the opposition, I walk up to the Central Intelligence Agency and expose myself as a pedophile

    Or how is it done..

    We don't know specifically as they appear to not be investigated thoroughly.
    In the Nancy Schaefer case not even the supposed suicide note was released. One man William Fain was shown the note. The same witness then refused to release film of child sex abuse that Nancy had paid for. He still refuses to talk about it.

    As per the FBI the investigations into The Finders case were ordered stopped by the CIA and anyone that reads the documents will agree.

    I don't understand why you think they would offer themselves up for arrest to the CIA?


  • #161
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    We don't know specifically as they appear to not be investigated thoroughly.

    Not investigated thoroughly according to who?
    I don't understand why you think they would offer themselves up for arrest to the CIA?

    How does CIA child trafficking work then?


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  • #162
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Not investigated thoroughly according to who?



    How does CIA child trafficking work then?

    I'll add a link to a newspaper on that later when I find it.

    In the Finders case they setup a type of hippy commune and ran the operation from there. Within a year most of the men involved looked nothing like hippies but were well dressed and worked in part time tech areas. The women mostly lived separately. The men would travel to other areas of the country with the children. They placed adds with cryptic messages in local papers according to the FBI.
    There is a lot of emphasis on future tech, as per Epstein.
    Washington Post

    feb 7th 1987

    "Marion Pettie has long had a consuming interest in the future, and futurism is a major component of the group's philosophy, according to cult

    There was talk of houses segregated by sex, children separated from their parents, vans that came and went, and a mysterious guru who called himself the Stroller and fancied himself a seer and a political powerhouse

    As long ago as 1968, hippies and peace activists in Washington often visited Pettie Farm, a 90-acre property in Madison County, Va., near Shenandoah National Park

    About five years ago, neighbors of The Farm said, the hippie followers of Pettie were replaced by men in business suits and women in professional clothes.

    He said members of the Finders appeared to hold jobs in computer businesses.The group split its membership by sex some time ago, leaving the women to live in the Glover Park house while the men moved into the warehouse at 1307 Fourth St. NE, McArthur said.Cult experts said that in the past few years they have seen increased interest among such groups in satanism and witchcraft. The circle of stones District police reported finding behind the Glover Park house in December is typical of witchcraft ceremonies, said Richard Stephens, a sociology professor at George Washington University. Staff writers John Ward Anderson, Linda Wheeler and John F. Harris contributed to this report"

    This is what was being reported check it against the FBI file.


  • #163
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Treppen wrote: »
    It's the thread title

    Yes people get arrested for organized human trafficking in the US.

    Was there more to the conspiracy or have we already answered the thesis of the thread


  • #164
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    I'll add a link to a newspaper on that later when I find it.

    Thanks but you aren't really addressing those questions at all


  • #165
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Overheal wrote: »
    Yes people get arrested for organized human trafficking in the US.

    Was there more to the conspiracy or have we already answered the thesis of the thread

    Well, if you consider attempted denigration an answer of some kind you have I suppose.


  • #166
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Thanks but you aren't really addressing those questions at all

    I getting bored. I think I have completely proven that there is organised child trafficking. Are you saying there isn't organised Child trafficking in America?


  • #167
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    You have proven it how, exactly?

    You pointed to a heavily redacted document on the internet, decided who the missing names were without offering any evidence, and inferred links between that document and some murders of state senators.

    When people have asked you questions, you've answered different questions.

    I am a high-ranking US politician and I want some children trafficked so I can abuse them. Do I phone a particular office in the CIA? How do I prevent the constant media monitoring of me and my activities when the CIA deliver to me?

    Why would the CIA do any of this?

    Why would this document be available on the internet if there was any substance to it?


  • #168
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    I getting bored. I think I have completely proven that there is organised child trafficking. Are you saying there isn't organised Child trafficking in America?

    By the CIA, correct?

    And that politicians are being murdered to cover it up, correct?


  • #169
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    By the CIA, correct?

    And that politicians are being murdered to cover it up, correct?

    I have offered the evidence for the missing names.
    I have offered the evidence to show the CIA were involved in child trafficking.
    I've given three examples of politicians murdered when making inquiries into child trafficking.
    One, maybe not. Two, maybe not. Three, you'd need blinkers.


  • #170
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Treppen wrote: »
    Was that the school where kids claimed satanic abuse, then it became a textbook study in psychology where mass brainwashing took place inadvertently by well meaning elders.
    .
    .
    .
    Same way pizzagate is going.
    Do you have a link to that report that offered those conclusions on the school in question please?


  • #171
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    I have offered the evidence for the missing names.
    I have offered the evidence to show the CIA were involved in child trafficking.
    I've given three examples of politicians murdered when making inquiries into child trafficking.
    One, maybe not. Two, maybe not. Three, you'd need blinkers.

    The CIA were involved or are involved. Which one? (if you are stating this as fact, then you can explain how it worked, give the timeline, give the details, etc)

    The "three examples of politicians murdered". The investigators have determined these are murders? If your views differ, can you explain how you know more than these professionals at the crime scenes with the evidence?

    If this is all your opinion based on a vague hunch then say so

    But you seem to be stating it all as fact..


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  • #172
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    The CIA were involved or are involved. Which one? (if you are stating this as fact, then you can explain how it worked, give the timeline, give the details, etc)

    The "three examples of politicians murdered". The investigators have determined these are murders? If your views differ, can you explain how you know more than these professionals at the crime scenes with the evidence?

    If this is all your opinion based on a vague hunch then say so

    But you seem to be stating it all as fact..

    His FBI contacts probably gave him all the details.


  • #173
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    The CIA were involved or are involved. Which one? (if you are stating this as fact, then you can explain how it worked, give the timeline, give the details, etc)

    The "three examples of politicians murdered". The investigators have determined these are murders? If your views differ, can you explain how you know more than these professionals at the crime scenes with the evidence?

    If this is all your opinion based on a vague hunch then say so

    But you seem to be stating it all as fact..

    Your conclusion on the CIA involvement only shows that you haven't read the FBI report.
    I'm going to allow the sane minded reading this to come to their own conclusions as to the similar circumstances and veracity of the Police reports.
    I don't think it's in any way vague.


  • #174
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    His FBI contacts probably gave him all the details.

    Are you saying there is no FBI document James Bond?


  • #175
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    Your conclusion on the CIA involvement

    I have no conclusion. You do. Hence I am asking you the simple questions

    Are you claiming, as a fact, that the CIA were involved, or are involved?


  • #176
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    Your conclusion on the CIA involvement only shows that you haven't read the FBI report.
    I'm going to allow the sane minded reading this to come to their own conclusions as to the similar circumstances and veracity of the Police reports.
    I don't think it's in any way vague.

    Given that you are dodging questions so hard, my conclusion is that there isn't much at all to your theory.


  • #177
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    I have no conclusion. You do. Hence I am asking you the simple questions

    Are you claiming, as a fact, that the CIA were involved, or are involved?

    Yes, as a fact the CIA were involved.


  • #178
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    Are you saying there is no FBI document James Bond?

    Is there an FBI document that shows that all three were murdered? can you link to it if so?


  • #179
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    King Mob wrote: »
    Given that you are dodging questions so hard, my conclusion is that there isn't much at all to your theory.
    Please read the document provided before jumping to any conclusions on that front.


  • #180
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Is there an FBI document that shows that all three were murdered? can you link to it if so?


    No.
    As regards the CIA involvement, read.


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  • #181
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    No.
    As regards the CIA involvement, read.

    so why do you claim they were murdered? what is the basis for that claim?


  • #182
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    Yes, as a fact the CIA were involved.

    Great. This is fascinating. So to start asking the obvious questions

    1. From when to when did this take place?
    2. How did it work?
    3. Why did they do it?

    Made up or imagined answers will obviously be ignored, only factual answers supported by direct evidence.

    If of course you want to backtrack and claim this isn't a fact, and is actually a personal hunch or an opinion you have, then we don't require credible supporting evidence for every detail


  • #183
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    so why do you claim they were murdered? what is the basis for that claim?
    Synchronicity and paucity of proof provided that they were not.
    I have provided evidence to show the that "The Finders" the CIA run group, had the same focus on future technology as had Epstein.


  • #184
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    Synchronicity and paucity of proof provided that they were not.
    I have provided evidence to show the that "The Finders" the CIA run group, had the same focus on future technology as had Epstein.

    No, no, i am specifically asking you about your claim that 3 people were murdered. You have provided nothing to backup your assertion.


  • #185
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Great. This is fascinating. So to start asking the obvious questions

    1. From when to when did this take place?
    2. How did it work?
    3. Why did they do it?

    Made up or imagined answers will obviously be ignored, only factual answers supported by direct evidence.

    If of course you want to backtrack and claim this isn't a fact, and is actually a personal hunch or an opinion you have, then we don't require credible supporting evidence for every detail

    Forgive me for repeating myself Dohnjoe, it's ALL in the FBI report available in this thread.


  • #186
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    No, no, i am specifically asking you about your claim that 3 people were murdered. You have provided nothing to backup your assertion.
    Synchronicity and paucity of proof provided that they were not.


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  • #187
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    Synchronicity and paucity of proof provided that they were not.

    Even for CT that is really weak. really poor effort on your behalf.


  • #188
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,933 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    Your conclusion on the CIA involvement only shows that you haven't read the FBI report.
    I'm going to allow the sane minded reading this to come to their own conclusions as to the similar circumstances and veracity of the Police reports.
    I don't think it's in any way vague.

    As I said in an earlier comment, poster is hoping for inception rather than laying out their theory.


  • #189
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    Forgive me for repeating myself Dohnjoe, it's ALL in the FBI report available in this thread.

    If you are claiming it's in the report, then why aren't you providing answers to those questions pointing to the relevant pieces of the report as evidence?

    e.g.
    The CIA was involved in child trafficking from e.g. 1968 to 1989 as per X in the report


  • #190
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Even for CT that is really weak. really poor effort on your behalf.

    I accept that's your conclusion.


  • #191
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,933 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    Synchronicity and paucity of proof provided that they were not.

    So coincidence and absence of evidence?
    Is...
    Your evidence?


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  • #192
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    Please read the document provided before jumping to any conclusions on that front.
    In my experience conspiracy theorists who dodge and avoid questions and declare "just read this link" or "just watch this video" are not being all that honest about the content they are pointing to.

    Why not just copy paste and quote the relevant bits to answer the questions directly and concisely?
    Why give the run around?


  • #193
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    If you are claiming it's in the report, then why aren't you providing answers to those questions pointing to the relevant pieces of the report as evidence?

    e.g.
    The CIA was involved in child trafficking from e.g. 1968 to 1989 as per X in the report

    Because I'm letting the report to speak for itself. I'm not going to spoon feed.


  • #194
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    I accept that's your conclusion.

    You dont really have a choice. you have no evidence to offer.


  • #195
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    King Mob wrote: »
    In my experience conspiracy theorists who dodge and avoid questions and declare "just read this link" or "just watch this video" are not being all that honest about the content they are pointing to.

    Why not just copy paste and quote the relevant bits to answer the questions directly and concisely?
    Why give the run around?

    Because of the amount of work involved in reproducing what is already there and obvious to those that read it. It's a long and difficult read. I haven't even got to the end myself yet.


  • #196
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    You dont really have a choice. you have no evidence to offer.

    None so blind as those that can't see.


  • #197
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    None so blind as those that can't see.

    you have not provided anything to see.


  • #198
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    I don't think law enforcement works the way you think it works.

    Police/FBI/whoever generally don't set out to prove a victime wasn't murdered, they generally try to find enough evidence to bring charges against an alleged perpetrator.


  • #199
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    Because of the amount of work involved in reproducing what is already there and obvious to those that read it. It's a long and difficult read. I haven't even got to the end myself yet.
    This is claimed a lot by people who believe a great many silly things.
    And it doesn't require that much work to copy and paste, so your excuse isn't convincing. So my conclusion (and the conclusion of most people who aren't predisposed to believe wild conspiracies) will remain unchanged.

    In fact, I bet that your continued dodging will convince more people that there isn't much behind your theory.


  • #200
    Spencerfreeman
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Spencerfreeman


    King Mob wrote: »
    This is claimed a lot by people who believe a great many silly things.
    And it doesn't require that much work to copy and paste, so your excuse isn't convincing. So my conclusion (and the conclusion of most people who aren't predisposed to believe wild conspiracies) will remain unchanged.

    In fact, I bet that your continued dodging will convince more people that there isn't much behind your theory.

    It's clear that you haven't tried to read the report if you think a copy and paste would work.


  • #201
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Spencerfreeman wrote: »
    Because I'm letting the report to speak for itself. I'm not going to spoon feed.

    You can't answer the questions and you can't back up your claims with direct evidence

    Imploring people read a report you can't provide basic answers from is absurd


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