Corona virus and marts

cj maxx · 09-03-2020 11:29am #1

With the pandemic picking up pace, if Ireland sees many more cases of infection through people to people contact I can foresee large gatherings such as marts being suspended. That's the only way I can get my stock .
So my question is ,given that if I can't stock my land and claim my entitlements this year they'll be taken off me and go back to the National Reserve!
Will they go ahead with this given the unforeseen circumstances??

_Brian · 09-03-2020 11:33am

Marts in particular would be a concern due to the demographics. At the best of days it’s a massive collection of auld fellas coughing and wheezing jammed in round the ring.

mickdw · 09-03-2020 11:40am

cjmc wrote: »

With the pandemic picking up pace, if Ireland sees many more cases of infection through people to people contact I can foresee large gatherings such as marts being suspended. That's the only way I can get my stock .
So my question is ,given that if I can't stock my land and claim my entitlements this year they'll be taken off me and go back to the National Reserve!
Will they go ahead with this given the unforeseen circumstances??

Nonsense post.
Are we to risk the health of the nation in case you lose your entitlements?
Surely you can buy in stock in some other way such as direct from neighbouring farm or somesuch?

3 the square · 09-03-2020 11:43am

mickdw wrote: »

Nonsense post.
Are we to risk the health of the nation in case you lose your entitlements?
Surely you can buy in stock in some other way such as direct from neighbouring farm or somesuch?

Most marts now days lads drop off the stock and go and the mart will ring u after there sold with the bad news would be a bigger crowd in a village shop.

09-03-2020 11:48am

3 the square wrote: »

Most marts now days lads drop off the stock and go and the mart will ring u after there sold with the bad news would be a bigger crowd in a village shop.

Its exceptionally rare for the seller not to be in the box at our mart and the place is packed every Saturday. Can be hard to even get parking at times when you come back in with the car after dropping stock earlier. So I'd find it hard to believe you.

_Brian · 09-03-2020 11:48am

3 the square wrote: »

Most marts now days lads drop off the stock and go and the mart will ring u after there sold with the bad news would be a bigger crowd in a village shop.

No way are most cattle sold like that. Any time I’m in the mart it must be 95% cattle sold by Simeon in the sellers box. There would be a few cattle sold subject each mart but very few.

09-03-2020 11:53am

mickdw wrote: »

Nonsense post.
Are we to risk the health of the nation in case you lose your entitlements?
Surely you can buy in stock in some other way such as direct from neighbouring farm or somesuch?

It’s not a nonsense post ,the op is looking out for his business and being pro active instead of reactive

3 the square · 09-03-2020 11:54am

Julien Cool Coffee wrote: »

Its exceptionally rare for the seller not to be in the box at our mart and the place is packed every Saturday. Can be hard to even get parking at times when you come back in with the car after dropping stock earlier. So I'd find it hard to believe you.

Last mart I was in was 400 plus cows going true the ring if there was 15 sellers watching on it would be about it lots of jobbers around the ring alright they get no virus !

st1979 · 09-03-2020 11:56am

cjmc wrote: »

With the pandemic picking up pace, if Ireland sees many more cases of infection through people to people contact I can foresee large gatherings such as marts being suspended. That's the only way I can get my stock .
So my question is ,given that if I can't stock my land and claim my entitlements this year they'll be taken off me and go back to the National Reserve!
Will they go ahead with this given the unforeseen circumstances??

If you can't buy stock why would you lose entitlements. You won't get disadvantage payment without 0.15 lu/ha for 7 consecutive months but you can still claim your bps entitlements. And considering beef prices you might be better off

cj maxx · 09-03-2020 12:16pm

mickdw wrote: »

Nonsense post.
Are we to risk the health of the nation in case you lose your entitlements?
Surely you can buy in stock in some other way such as direct from neighbouring farm or somesuch?

Nonsense post??
Yeah I have options.
Drive around the country picking up 2 or 3 here and there.
DoneDeal?
Or go to marts where sellers and buyers meet and deals are done.!
I am not putting the nation's health at risk, nor am I asking you to put your health or anybody else's at risk.
I was simply asking a question that if marts and other gatherings are suspended will the current rules regarding 2020 bps rules still apply.
Fcucking imbecile of a post

st1979 · 09-03-2020 12:19pm

cjmc wrote: »

Nonsense post??
Yeah I have options.
Drive around the country picking up 2 or 3 here and there.
DoneDeal?
Or go to marts where sellers and buyers meet and deals are done.!
I am not putting the nation's health at risk, nor am I asking you to put your health or anybody else's at risk.
I was simply asking a question that if marts and other gatherings are suspended will the current rules regarding 2020 bps rules still apply.
Fcucking imbecile of a post

What rules?

Castlekeeper · 09-03-2020 12:24pm

3 the square wrote: »

Last mart I was in was 400 plus cows going true the ring if there was 15 sellers watching on it would be about it lots of jobbers around the ring alright they get no virus !

Were they mainly dairy cull cows by any chance?

cj maxx · 09-03-2020 12:25pm

st1979 wrote: »

What rules?

That any entitlements not claimed this year will revert to the national reserve

cj maxx · 09-03-2020 1:08pm

cjmc wrote: »

That any entitlements not claimed this year will revert to the national reserve

It may not be bps , but EU money generally

Bass Reeves · 09-03-2020 1:13pm

First off you do not need to stock your land to collect BPS. For ANC it 0.15 LU over 12 months with 0.3 over 6 month. 60 acre farm needs 9-10 two year old bullocks or cull cows to draw ANC and ANC is drawable on an annual basis it is not affected by national reserve

Now marts were closed during the Foot and mouth and farming survived and DD was not in existence. No marts nobody billing you on price in a farmers yard

tanko · 09-03-2020 1:15pm

cjmc wrote: »

With the pandemic picking up pace, if Ireland sees many more cases of infection through people to people contact I can foresee large gatherings such as marts being suspended. That's the only way I can get my stock .
So my question is ,given that if I can't stock my land and claim my entitlements this year they'll be taken off me and go back to the National Reserve!
Will they go ahead with this given the unforeseen circumstances??

Do you need to have any cattle to claim the BPS payment (single farm payment)? I think you just need to keep your land in good agricultural condition.
Just keeping land topped will do this.

As for the ANC payment, the stocking rate is very low, it shouldn't be too hard to pick up a few cattle to fulfil this.

Albert Johnson · 09-03-2020 3:07pm

Julien Cool Coffee wrote: »

Its exceptionally rare for the seller not to be in the box at our mart and the place is packed every Saturday. Can be hard to even get parking at times when you come back in with the car after dropping stock earlier. So I'd find it hard to believe you.

The success of that sale would have a lot to do with the fact that it's held on a Saturday imo. It's the same reason that many marts have moved to Saturday or night sales from day sales during the week. It gives the part-timer's (which most younger lad's are nowadays especially in beef/sheep) the opportunity to attend the sale without clashing with off farm employment.

If you attended a similar day sale midweek you'd probably see a very different demographic. I was working at such a sale last week and by my reckoning the average age of the buyer's, seller's and spectators was 70+ year's of age. In most cases lad's that are away working will send there father to the mart to do the business or employ a neighbor/haulier.

As Brian noted above the mart is a social gathering for older men as there the only one's with enough free time in many cases to attend. I'm told that those over 60 are the most likely to become fatalities from the virus so it would be of concern to many mart regulars.

Injuryprone · 09-03-2020 5:21pm

cjmc wrote: »

That any entitlements not claimed this year will revert to the national reserve

Why do you need to go to the mart to put in your bps application??

I'm with Mick on this one. You did say in the OP that the mart is "the only way I can get my stock" when that is patently false.

mickdw · 09-03-2020 10:57pm

cjmc wrote: »

Nonsense post??
Yeah I have options.
Drive around the country picking up 2 or 3 here and there.
DoneDeal?
Or go to marts where sellers and buyers meet and deals are done.!
I am not putting the nation's health at risk, nor am I asking you to put your health or anybody else's at risk.
I was simply asking a question that if marts and other gatherings are suspended will the current rules regarding 2020 bps rules still apply.
Fcucking imbecile of a post

There are 80 year old single men all over the country managing to stock their land to a level that mantains farm payments yet you are looking to get a relaxation to the stocking requirement. Id suggest if you cannot maintain such a stock then you need to look at your whole set up and see if you are really farming at all

bogman_bass · 10-03-2020 12:06am

_Brian wrote: »

Marts in particular would be a concern due to the demographics. At the best of days it’s a massive collection of auld fellas coughing and wheezing jammed in round the ring.

The most vunreble ones would The the usual dealers at the ring literally hanging off each other. You know the type. That level of close proximity is a danger

cj maxx · 10-03-2020 12:06am

mickdw wrote: »

There are 80 year old single men all over the country managing to stock their land to a level that mantains farm payments yet you are looking to get a relaxation to the stocking requirement. Id suggest if you cannot maintain such a stock then you need to look at your whole set up and see if you are really farming at all

I'm not "looking for a relaxation" in anything !!
I asked a QUESTION that IF this virus becomes an epidemic in Ireland and IF gatherings such as a mart are closed how will I get the stock I am looking for. Listening to Convey on TV it's a possibility depending on the spread of COVID19
And WILL there, possibility be provision made for that.?
That's all I asked so pipe down and go sit in your Jeep to cool down

Sheep breeder · 10-03-2020 12:43am

cjmc wrote: »

I'm not "looking for a relaxation" in anything !!
I asked a QUESTION that IF this virus becomes an epidemic in Ireland and IF gatherings such as a mart are closed how will I get the stock I am looking for. Listening to Convey on TV it's a possibility depending on the spread of COVID19
And WILL there, possibility be provision made for that.?
That's all I asked so pipe down and go sit in your Jeep to cool down

Anybody that’s farming and drawing down BPS know the rules plain and simple, if the virus takes off ( god forbid) it will a nation emergency and everything will be out the window and saving lives. So maybe leaving the trolling lie for now.

older by the day · 10-03-2020 12:46am

We're the marts closed for foot and mouth. I can't remember. There are plenty of dealers and cattle haulers that would supply you with cattle. I suppose it will only be for a month if it is closed. Our descendants survived famines and rationing and civil war. Blast it don't be getting excited

mickdw · 10-03-2020 12:56am

cjmc wrote: »

I'm not "looking for a relaxation" in anything !!
I asked a QUESTION that IF this virus becomes an epidemic in Ireland and IF gatherings such as a mart are closed how will I get the stock I am looking for. Listening to Convey on TV it's a possibility depending on the spread of COVID19
And WILL there, possibility be provision made for that.?
That's all I asked so pipe down and go sit in your Jeep to cool down

Jeep? I dont know what you are getting at but that wouldnt be my style.

cj maxx · 10-03-2020 1:08am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Anybody that’s farming and drawing down BPS know the rules plain and simple, if the virus takes off ( god forbid) it will a nation emergency and everything will be out the window and saving lives. So maybe leaving the trolling lie for now.

What trolling?

older by the day · 10-03-2020 1:15am

cjmc wrote: »

What trolling?

I suppose it's rolling with a t in front of it.

cj maxx · 10-03-2020 1:24am

older by the day wrote: »

I suppose it's rolling with a t in front of it.

I didn't ask what IS trolling.:)
I asked why I am being accused of trolling

Genghis Cant · 10-03-2020 1:31am

Lads.
Reign it in a bit please. Particularly the accusations of trolling. Back on topic. Thanks.

tanko · 10-03-2020 2:02am

older by the day wrote: »

We're the marts closed for foot and mouth. I can't remember. There are plenty of dealers and cattle haulers that would supply you with cattle. I suppose it will only be for a month if it is closed. Our descendants survived famines and rationing and civil war. Blast it don't be getting excited

Marts were closed from February 28th to June 18th 2001.
I didn't think it was so long. How did dairy farmers manage with their calves??

K.G. · 10-03-2020 6:21am

tanko wrote: »

Marts were closed from February 28th to June 18th 2001.
I didn't think it was so long. How did dairy farmers manage with their calves??

Back then we had quotas so alot kept their calves anyway.we went back to our SAS training and we "adapted and survived ".personally i think this whole thing is getting out of hand.people in at risk groups should.take precautions and isolate but now you have swathes of people being knocked out of the system even though it would only mean a dose of the flu to most.that said ill probably moan plenty when i get it

patsy_mccabe · 10-03-2020 10:39am

Can't believe it's that long since Foot & Mouth.

10-03-2020 11:40am

cjmc wrote: »

I'm not "looking for a relaxation" in anything !!
I asked a QUESTION that IF this virus becomes an epidemic in Ireland and IF gatherings such as a mart are closed how will I get the stock I am looking for. Listening to Convey on TV it's a possibility depending on the spread of COVID19
And WILL there, possibility be provision made for that.?
That's all I asked so pipe down and go sit in your Jeep to cool down

Just buy directly from a farmer, its not rocket science. Plenty of farmers operate without using marts, I've a relation who used to sell 40 or 50 weanlings and/or stores a year out of his yard, being sold in batches of 10 or 15 at a time to the same 2 or 3 people every year (who were farmers too not dealers).

cj maxx · 10-03-2020 6:42pm

Julien Cool Coffee wrote: »

Just buy directly from a farmer, its not rocket science. Plenty of farmers operate without using marts, I've a relation who used to sell 40 or 50 weanlings and/or stores a year out of his yard, being sold in batches of 10 or 15 at a time to the same 2 or 3 people every year (who were farmers too not dealers).

It's not rocket science I know, and years ago that's how the father and me bought. But those sellers are mostly long gone now. I might be able to source a few locally but it's hard between working, school runs etc to find time to look at these cattle then say, if I want 10 or ,20 , Mr A has 4 . Mr B has 2 etc etc .I know a man down the road who has storks for sale but they're too big and too strong too handle with my set up. But if that's what I need to do so be it. I'll have to try and source a bigger seller .
Thanks for the replies

older by the day · 12-03-2020 1:31pm

Is skibb Mart open tomorrow

bogman_bass · 12-03-2020 2:05pm

older by the day wrote: »

We're the marts closed for foot and mouth. I can't remember. There are plenty of dealers and cattle haulers that would supply you with cattle. I suppose it will only be for a month if it is closed. Our descendants survived famines and rationing and civil war. Blast it don't be getting excited

They were.

hopeso · 12-03-2020 3:39pm

tanko wrote: »

Marts were closed from February 28th to June 18th 2001.
I didn't think it was so long. How did dairy farmers manage with their calves??

I think farm to farm movements were stopped for a while too, but they were allowed to resume before the marts reopened.
They way it's going now, I'd say there's a good chance of marts getting shut down. The schools closed today.....

Bass Reeves · 12-03-2020 3:46pm

hopeso wrote: »

I think farm to farm movements were stopped for a while too, but they were allowed to resume before the marts reopened.
They way it's going now, I'd say there's a good chance of marts getting shut down. The schools closed today.....

Government's will want as much of economic activity to continue. It will be up to marts to adapt. No agents around the ring all back up on the steps/seats. Encourage lads not to attend unless buying or selling. Lads hanging out of each other around the ring is a no no

tanko · 12-03-2020 4:02pm

If someone who knew nothing about farming and had never set foot in a mart walked into one and saw all the dealers welded to each other around the ring they would be wondering what kind of an establishment they were in.

I can't see how the marts are going to stay open with everything that happening now.

Say my name · 12-03-2020 4:08pm

tanko wrote: »

If someone who knew nothing about farming and had never set foot in a mart walked into one and saw all the dealers welded to each other around the ring they would be wondering what kind of an establishment they were in.

I can't see how the marts are going to stay open with everything that happening now.

Simples give the drover in the ring the stick back to keep them apart.

It can be done and kept open but people need to play their part and take it seriously.

Say my name · 12-03-2020 4:28pm

Apparently they are going ahead but there's a 100 people limit allowed in.
It's on the ifj news site.
Managers will be doing everything in their power to keep them going.
They'll have to be creative..

Butcher Boy · 12-03-2020 4:37pm

Say my name wrote: »

Apparently they are going ahead but there's a 100 people limit allowed in.
It's on the ifj news site.
Managers will be doing everything in their power to keep them going.
They'll have to be creative..

Just rang macroom mart and they wont know until tomorrow evening if sale will go ahead on Saturday.

Albert Johnson · 12-03-2020 4:40pm

Say my name wrote: »

Apparently they are going ahead but there's a 100 people limit allowed in.
It's on the ifj news site.
Managers will be doing everything in their power to keep them going.
They'll have to be creative..

I don't know how the 100 people limit will be enforced, you wouldn't find having 20+ people employed in a busy sale without any customers/bystanders. Several lads have rang me today wondering if our local sale is going ahead tomorrow, I've talked to the boss man and it's still going ahead as of now.

Say my name · 12-03-2020 4:45pm

Limit the numbers inside. Anybody that's interested in stock should be allowed view beforehand in the pens.
If there's more than 100 interested in bidding/in the building.
Facebook live it.

Albert Johnson · 12-03-2020 4:50pm

Say my name wrote: »

Limit the numbers inside. Anybody that's interested in stock should be allowed view beforehand in the pens.
If there's more than 100 interested in bidding/in the building.
Facebook live it.

I honestly don't see how that could be enacted, it's borderline anti competitive and this is coming from someone who works in the industry.

hopeso · 12-03-2020 10:00pm

Just heard this evening that the collage in Dublin, UCD, has closed for the rest of the year. Re-opening in September. I don't know much about collages, but I assume that's a year written off for the students?
Anyway, my point is, this is going to get worse before it gets better. In my opinion, we will see marts closed....

DukeCaboom · 12-03-2020 10:33pm

Gortatlea going ahead tomorrow, just got the text.

ruwithme · 12-03-2020 10:38pm

If any marts operating up to Saturday, that will be the last of them. they will come under pressure to be at least seen to do the right thing.

lots of pension dollars too round the rings these days.

Albert Johnson · 12-03-2020 10:43pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Gortatlea going ahead tomorrow, just got the text.

Closing will be a last resort for the independents especially, it's hard enough to keep everything paid with normal trading nevermind shutting up shop for a few weeks. Marts are an integral part of the livestock sector and I don't think closing down a route to market will be anything other than detrimental. Do people expect the processors won't use any such uncertainty to once again kick us when we're down?

Castlekeeper · 13-03-2020 12:01am

tanko wrote: »

Marts were closed from February 28th to June 18th 2001.
I didn't think it was so long. How did dairy farmers manage with their calves??

We sold as many as we could before we locked down and reared the rest, we were caught with stores as well, and had to rent an 80acre farm of land for the year.
One of the calves we sold turned up with foot and mouth in northern France, so it was knocking about.

13-03-2020 1:04am

hopeso wrote: »

Just heard this evening that the collage in Dublin, UCD, has closed for the rest of the year. Re-opening in September. I don't know much about collages, but I assume that's a year written off for the students?
Anyway, my point is, this is going to get worse before it gets better. In my opinion, we will see marts closed....

Realistically there is only about a month of term left, most universities start to finish in early April and have a few study weeks with exams starting in mid to late April. They will just need to sit exams in autumn most likely if it’s true they have closed until sept. Also half the years exams will already have been done at Christmas so it’s not even a full years work to be examined (in most courses anyway).

Bass Reeves · 13-03-2020 1:48am

Julien Cool Coffee wrote: »

Realistically there is only about a month of term left, most universities start to finish in early April and have a few study weeks with exams starting in mid to late April. They will just need to sit exams in autumn most likely if it’s true they have closed until sept. Also half the years exams will already have been done at Christmas so it’s not even a full years work to be examined (in most courses anyway).

This would cause an issue with repeats held in September. However I expect taht exams may be held and staggered over April and May. other option is assignments. final year student exams could be deferred and repeats held later in the year.

Corona virus and marts

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