How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?

Double Standards for Men No 253: Lynn Ruane v Paul Mescal
As the actor jogged topless around London, Lidl asked the Senator to rethink her outfit

Deleted User wrote: »

Um... I'm pretty sure any man walking topless into a shop would be asked to cover himself. It's certainly not a common thing to see... I can't ever recall seeing it happen. Actually, yesterday, I saw a guy walking outside on the road (residential area) without his top and was surprised. Again, generally not common in public.

The gas thing is that if she could go around topless, she would be complaining about men staring or any comments thrown her way. :rolleyes:

Neither misogyny nor patriarchy. Love the way they just throw that out for something they're thinking... I seem to remember it was my mother who taught us what was polite or not in public, especially in regards to personal dress/undress.

iptba wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/double-standards-for-men-no-253-lynn-ruane-v-paul-mescal-1.4268692
Doesn't seem like an exact comparison

Some people seem to be exercised by it: this tweet got 75 likes!

https://twitter.com/Clarke3Anne/status/1267445487520620550

Opinion
Cancellation might feel good, but it's not activism
Suzanne Moore

While denouncing someone can get you high, it ignores human complexity, and is no substitute for the hard work of persuasion

'Upward-thrusting buildings ejaculating into the sky' – do cities have to be so sexist?

Deleted User wrote: »

Well... if they were shaped like breasts, wouldn't it be objectifying women?

Feminists Freak Out After Discovering Men Don’t Want To Date ‘Woke’ Women
By Emily Zanotti
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Jan 23, 2020 DailyWire.com

That is all just too much for feminists, it seems, who, despite swearing off men so often it’s practically their pledge of allegiance, want desperately to have the pick of men to partner with — and to deny them such a variety is, apparently, oppressive, sexist, and, for good measure, very “Donald Trump.”

Silentcorner wrote: »

What The Guardian and feminists alike need to ask themselves is what will happen when their readers and followers tire of being angry all the time....what then...

I Hate Men: Attempts to ban French pamphlet sends sales skyrocketing

Pauline Harmange’s Moi les hommes, je les déteste, explores whether women “have good reason to hate men”, and whether “anger towards men is actually a joyful and emancipatory path, if it is allowed to be expressed”. Its small French publisher, Monstrograph, called it a “feminist and iconoclastic book” that “defends misandry as a way of making room for sisterhood”.

Durham University student's union leader, 21, is self-declared
'man-hater' who lobbied for pronoun badges for staff and undergrads
Nailah Haque's Twitter profile until recently declared her a
'misandrist till I die'
Miss Haque, 21, was elected as undergraduate academic officer in February

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A Students' Union leader at Durham University has described herself as
a man-hater.

Nailah Haque's Twitter profile until recently included the
declaration: 'Misandrist till I die.' A misandrist is a person who
despises men.

Durham Intersectional Feminism Society "announce that we will be
endorsing the following candidates for the upcoming SU election ...
Nailah Haque"

Feminism.

Feminism is just about equality of the sexes.

Feminism really is just about equality – as long as you understand that the word “equality” no longer means what it used to mean.

To those not well versed in the manner in which policy narratives have changed in the last dozen years, prepare yourselves for the radical revision of the meaning of the word “equality” which is now politically and judicially established.

My first encounter with the brave new world of “equality” was in The Corston Report, Ref.1, on women in prison. I quote,

“Equality does not mean treating everyone the same”

The Government’s Guide to the 2010 Equality Act, Ref.2, specifically cautions against treating everyone the same. The advice on the interpretation of the Act is, I quote,

“The Equality Duty does not require public bodies to treat everyone the same”

“Complying with the Equality Duty may involve treating some people better”

Since the man was the manifest legal entity he became responsible for crimes – or torts – committed by his wife. The most common example of this were the Victorian debtors’ prisons. Some 10,000 people, 98% of them men, were imprisoned yearly for debt in the Victorian era. But it is reasonable to suppose that women were responsible for incurring at least 50% of debts. Even if the debt were incurred by the wife it was the husband who went to prison. It doesn’t sound much like male privilege to me.

The beneficial aspects of coverture for wives did not apply only whilst the marriage lasted. The law of “necessaries” extended even to separated wives – and in some cases also to common law wives. An estranged wife could continue to run up debts with which to burden her husband. This was commonly used as a tactic to force the husband to agree to divorce terms favourable to the wife. Such estranged wives could, and did, push the strategy as far as having the husband imprisoned by running up unmanageable debts until he gave them what they wanted.

The law of coverture effectively placed a legal obligation upon husbands to ensure their wives obeyed the law. A particularly egregious example of this is the Skimmington Ride. It is still the case today that society has a hard time accepting that some men may be the victims of partner abuse, rather than the perpetrator. In historical times things were no better. A man who allowed himself to be abused by his wife would be punished for it by his community. A husband was expected to control his wife. If she beat him, then this was regarded as a failing on his part. The punishment was the Skimmington Ride, in which the man was obliged to ride a donkey through the town facing backwards, and thus looking ridiculous, whilst the populace would bang pots and pans and jeer and mock him by calling out insults. The modern equivalent, I suppose, is the male victim of partner violence who phones the police only to find that he is the one they arrest.

The Bill will further strengthen existing powers to constrain, restraint and criminalise those accused of domestic abuse. The escalating sequence of protection notices, protection orders and non-molestation orders can see a man ejected from his home with immediate effect and kept out of it without limit. The new Bill will make breaching the terms of a protection notice or protection order a criminal offence. These arrangements mean that a man may be formally branded a criminal, with a criminal record, and imprisoned, without ever facing trial or any other meaningful test of the accusations against him.

A boy’s eye view of our feminist English lessons

Fintan O’Toole: How does defence of trans rights become search for women to blame?
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Trans people’s enemy is patriarchy, not feminism

Well isn't this such fun, the trans and feminists clawing at each others eyes with their well manicured nails. And caught between them, not knowing where to turn, is poor old Fintan, still an old lefty after all these years. But, not to despair, there is always the straw man available, yes yes let's blame him , the patriarchy. Now being Irish with all those 800 years of oppression in my back pocket maybe I could claim a pass on that one but no these days I am a western white male, the source of all sin. To quote good old Basil Faulty, "oh its my fault, there I was thinking it was your fault but it was my fault all the time, I'm a naughty boy". So Fintan, well done you have escaped this time, but beware the Twitter mob, like the Terminator, cannot be stopped they will get you eventually.

"Trans people’s enemy is patriarchy, not feminism". I suppose it is the patriarchy then, that hounded Suzanne Moore out of The Guardian?

Fintan "show me the bandwagon, let me jump on it" Oh Tool, once again employing his favourite social media marketing technique of "If you see a crowd forming, run to the front and try to lead it."
Trans rights, feminism, patriarchy - hitting all the Twitter buttons just in time for the Christmas book market.

The difference between the American Psychological Association guidelines for males and for females could hardly be more startling. Mental ill health in females is due to their mistreatment by society, especially its male component, whilst men are to blame for their own ills.

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