Tesla Model 3

Scottie99 · 02-04-2016 9:57pm

http://m.imgur.com/4pfDLW9

Comparison between the S and 3

BoatMad · 02-04-2016 10:13pm

At the moment looking at tesla is akin to porn, but are in reality unattainable to the mortal man !!!

02-04-2016 10:20pm

The Model 3 is a really cool desirable car but the boot is ridiculous !

maybe the production version will be different.

Scottie99 · 04-04-2016 9:54am

Questions fired at Elon Musk regarding the Model3 on Twitter

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/moments/716787366984228865?m=1

Indricotherium · 04-04-2016 11:38am

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/04/tesla-motors-sells-10bn-model-3-two-days

10 billion in 2 days!

I have to say a painted number-plate on the front of that would look the absolute business!

Water John · 04-04-2016 11:56am

Yeah, the front needs something. Maybe we're just used to a grille, but I don't think so.
It could be a locale to personalise your car.

BoatMad · 04-04-2016 12:34pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/04/tesla-motors-sells-10bn-model-3-two-days

10 billion in 2 days!

I have to say a painted number-plate on the front of that would look the absolute business!

Which would be illegal of course in Ireland

BoatMad · 04-04-2016 12:38pm

By the time tesla get to build it they'll have a full model life in back orders !!! We might never see it here !!!

Tesla model 4 anyone ??

nokia69 · 04-04-2016 1:04pm

BoatMad wrote: »

By the time tesla get to build it they'll have a full model life in back orders !!! We might never see it here !!!

Tesla model 4 anyone ??

The cars with all the options will be built first, so someone ordering the most expensive version in Ireland might get their car before someone buying the $35K version in the US

BoatMad · 04-04-2016 2:04pm

nokia69 wrote: »

The cars with all the options will be built first, so someone ordering the most expensive version in Ireland might get their car before someone buying the $35K version in the US

Clever little musk , maximise the deposit ratio I wonder what % are fully loaded , if it's a lot then my argument holds true.

Scottie99 · 04-04-2016 5:35pm

It's been suggested that the part2 launch of the model3 will include heads up displays on high end models. Apparently this person is saying the reason it wasn't revealed, as they didn't want people to stop buying the high end X and S.
People might feel these car would be obsolete..

Edit - https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=1m15s&v=H00xFIhWfmM

nokia69 · 04-04-2016 6:57pm

There is nothing to stop them putting that display on the S and X, in fact if its going to be on the Model 3 it will be in the S and X first

The reason for a part 1&2 reveal is for maximum publicity, Tesla don't advertise, they like to get into the news and media for free

ted1 · 04-04-2016 7:58pm

Scottie99 wrote: »

It's been suggested that the part2 launch of the model3 will include heads up displays on high end models. Apparently this person is saying the reason it wasn't revealed, as they didn't want people to stop buying the high end X and S.
People might feel these car would be obsolete..

Edit - https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=1m15s&v=H00xFIhWfmM

Jesus that's an awful system, those hand jestures look like it could be very confusing , surly a control stalk would be a better option

Sesshoumaru · 07-04-2016 11:47am

This might have been posted already, but looks like a store will be coming soon.

https://www.teslamotors.com/careers/job/store-managerdublinireland-32119

I would be interested if they brought over a few secondhand Model S, particularly if they were available on PCP.

Fastpud · 07-04-2016 7:21pm

Tesla just tweeted : 325K orders for model 3 in one week over $14B if all convert into sales

eeguy · 07-04-2016 7:25pm

While the 14bn is not a definite, getting $325 million for just having a sweet marketing campaign is amazing.

BoatMad · 07-04-2016 7:30pm

Fastpud wrote: »

Tesla just tweeted : 325K orders for model 3 in one week over $14B if all convert into sales

the first car company in history to deliver all its vehicles to its customers after the model has been retired ...........:D

I suspect a huge number with take deposit back , when they realise in a few years that they can apply for free travel passes instead

BoatMad · 07-04-2016 7:31pm

eeguy wrote: »

While the 14bn is not a definite, getting $325 million for just having a sweet marketing campaign is amazing.

yes but the deposits cant be used for anything , except invested in a manner that they can be returned and given the cash flow burn , 300 million is chicken feed to tesla

ted1 · 07-04-2016 7:43pm

Fastpud wrote: »

Tesla just tweeted : 325K orders for model 3 in one week over $14B if all convert into sales

At what stage should they have stopped. If they maintain a 33% they still gets 110k orders and as they clear these it'll fill up again

ted1 · 07-04-2016 7:45pm

BoatMad wrote: »

yes but the deposits cant be used for anything , except invested in a manner that they can be returned and given the cash flow burn , 300 million is chicken feed to tesla

They can use it to leverage cheap finance. If you go to a bank and say you have 325 million in deposit for orders of 24bn you'll find they have no problem lending a billion or five

BoatMad · 07-04-2016 7:51pm

ted1 wrote: »

They can use it to leverage cheap finance. If you go to a bank and say you have 325 million in deposit for orders of 24bn you'll find they have no problem lending a billion or five

not if the banks think you are massively overtrading , they wont

anyway Tesla raises finance in the markets as a public company , not banks ( banks provide cash flow )

300 million is chicken feed in this regard

given Teslas difficulties in meeting delivery dates in the past, I think is was very unwise for Musk to allow the bookings to exceed 100,000, there will have to be a massive customer expectation management exercise and a scorned customer is worse then not having them in the first place

unkel · 03-01-2017 1:29am

Will launch be this year or will it be 2018? And I wonder when we'll get them here? Maybe late '18?

Deleted User wrote: »

So 35 K USD, + 23 % VAT and 14% VRT = 43,015 (EURO's)

That calculation is not quite there. VRT is based on the OMSP - usually about 92% of the RRP, specified by the importer. And also you forgot to add in the import duty. This is based on the value of the car + shipping costs and is 10% iirc.

I'll try the calculation again, any comments are welcome

So say value of the car is €33.5k (USD 35k - assuming there will be no charge for RHD conversion). Transporation costs say €500. Then import duty is €3.4k

So base price of car is €36.9k. Another assumption is you get no discount (it will be a desirable model) but Tesla won't be mean to add any other delivery costs

A bit of fiddling in excel will give you a RRP of €54k (before subsidies), so OMSP (92%) of €49.7k hence VRT (14%) of €7k and VAT (RRP includes 23%) of €10.1k

€5k subsidy and €5k discount on VRT mean a net price to the customer of €44k...

Scottie99 · 03-01-2017 3:57am

Apparently they're on schedule with the car. So I'm expecting the second launch in March with sale in California later in the year. As for Uk and Ireland, you're probably right, 2018.
I'm hearing if you put a deposit down today, don't expect delivery until March 19'. Not sure how true that is but would sounds about right.

unkel · 03-01-2017 4:36am

Sounds a bit overhyped though, doesn't it? Looks like very good value for €44k. But it's still €44k. You can buy a well specced BMW or Mercedes of the same size for that kinda money. Or almost a much bigger E-class or 5-series. Well established high quality, highly rated executive cars. When the long term quality, reliability, and lack of depreciation of Tesla is not yet known. It being made in the US doesn't inspire confidence. US cars have always had a terrible build quality (not saying Teslas are not well built)

I'm not gonna put a deposit down anytime soon, if anyone was wondering

Pkiernan · 03-01-2017 10:56am

unkel wrote: »

. It being made in the US doesn't inspire confidence. US cars have always had a terrible build quality (not saying Teslas are not well built)

I'm not gonna put a deposit down anytime soon, if anyone was wondering

20-30 years ago maybe. Build quality is much improved now.

Oafley Jones · 03-01-2017 11:04am

unkel wrote: »

Sounds a bit overhyped though, doesn't it? Looks like very good value for €44k. But it's still €44k. You can buy a well specced BMW or Mercedes of the same size for that kinda money. Or almost a much bigger E-class or 5-series. Well established high quality, highly rated executive cars. When the long term quality, reliability, and lack of depreciation of Tesla is not yet known. It being made in the US doesn't inspire confidence. US cars have always had a terrible build quality (not saying Teslas are not well built)

I'm not gonna put a deposit down anytime soon, if anyone was wondering

QC is a major issue for Tesla. They've continually struggled with it. It's something they're aware of (going by recent hires) and know they cannot build a volume product like the 3 without tightening up their act. It's one of the reasons I wouldn't go near the 3 initially. They've no competence in doing a mass recall, if needs be.

unkel · 03-01-2017 3:44pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

20-30 years ago maybe. Build quality is much improved now.

Quality might have improved but I very much doubt it is on the same level as premium German brands like BMW and Mercedes. Hell, Mercedes nearly collapsed when they had US influence in the company during the Daimler-Chrysler years!

eeguy · 03-01-2017 4:16pm

unkel wrote: »

Quality might have improved but I very much doubt it is on the same level as premium German brands like BMW and Mercedes. Hell, Mercedes nearly collapsed when they had US influence in the company during the Daimler-Chrysler years!

Maybe so. I wouldn't want to be the first in line to buy ANY car, but in fairness, BMW have been building cars for 100 years, Tesla for 10.

They've been playing a serious game of catchup in the last 2 years as they ramp up production.

unkel · 03-01-2017 8:51pm

eeguy wrote: »

I wouldn't want to be the first in line to buy ANY car.

That wouldn't worry me so much!

New car comes with a warranty, so as long as the dealer is not too far away, any problems should be quickly resolved (any presuming I'd get the lend of a Model S any time my Model 3 would be in for fixing) :pac:

n97 mini · 03-01-2017 10:22pm

unkel wrote: »

You can buy a well specced BMW or Mercedes of the same size for that kinda money.

Neither are a Tesla though (and neither are beacons of reliability either).

It's like why buy an iPhone when you can have a Samsung. A large part of the reason is because it's an iPhone.

03-01-2017 10:30pm

I have a hand me down Iphone 6S Plus from my brother, IOS is far superior to Andoid, I've had both. Android will do fine but IOS does it a lot better.

n97 mini · 03-01-2017 10:42pm

Not sure if I made my point correctly. Some people will want Apple stuff just because it's Apple. Tesla is the same. It's the Apple of the motor industry, something it's actively trying to be.

03-01-2017 10:47pm

Ah right yeah I get ye.

isnottheword · 03-01-2017 11:42pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I have a hand me down Iphone 6S Plus from my brother, IOS is far superior to Andoid, I've had both. Android will do fine but IOS does it a lot better.

Disagree entirely

03-01-2017 11:55pm

isnottheword wrote: »

Disagree entirely

Of course you would because I said it. Surprise surprise.

DrPhilG · 04-01-2017 1:27am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Of course you would because I said it. Surprise surprise.

Paranoid much?

04-01-2017 1:45am

DrPhilG wrote: »

Paranoid much?

Yeah it must be paranoia, I mean what else can it be ?

DrPhilG · 04-01-2017 1:47am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah it must be paranoia, I mean what else can it be ?

Pretty sure it's paranoia. Either that or you've been bottling up frustration during your ban and can't wait to start more fights now you're back.

04-01-2017 2:05am

DrPhilG wrote: »

Pretty sure it's paranoia. Either that or you've been bottling up frustration during your ban and can't wait to start more fights now you're back.

Ban ? oh, you mean the couple of hours. hahah , no I have had to divert my time to other things, mainly family.

DrPhilG · 04-01-2017 2:29am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ban ? oh, you mean the couple of hours. hahah , no I have had to divert my time to other things, mainly family.

Couple of hours, also known as a month...

04-01-2017 3:16am

No you don't get me, I was banned, for some hours, been away longer due to family reasons.

DrPhilG · 04-01-2017 9:07am

Lol

Sure.

Mc-BigE · 04-01-2017 1:45pm

Getting back to Tesla, any news on an Irish showroom opening date, and the location of same?
any supercharger installations planned for 2017 in ireland, and if so where are the locations?

BoatMad · 04-01-2017 2:03pm

I'll be suprised if the model 3 will be still competitive by the time the RHD versions are actually on sale

Sabre Man · 04-01-2017 2:09pm

Mc-BigE wrote: »

Getting back to Tesla, any news on an Irish showroom opening date, and the location of same?
any supercharger installations planned for 2017 in ireland, and if so where are the locations?

The showroom location is Sandyford, Dublin.

Mancomb Seepgood · 04-01-2017 3:30pm

Mc-BigE wrote: »

Getting back to Tesla, any news on an Irish showroom opening date, and the location of same?
any supercharger installations planned for 2017 in ireland, and if so where are the locations?

Ballacolla (M8, J3) is to be one of the supercharger locations with 8 bays: http://www.eplanning.ie/LaoisCC/AppFileRefDetails/16589/0

ScumLord · 04-01-2017 3:35pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

20-30 years ago maybe. Build quality is much improved now.

I had thought Tesla were on a par with European mid range cars but apparently that's not so. There are issue with panel gaps and build quality in general. It's not terrible, wouldn't turn me off getting a Tesla but we're certainly not talking about Volkswagen/BMW/Mercedes quality. It's probably slightly below most European brands on general manufacturing quality. Which isn't that surprising for a new company that's only really made two cars.

54and56 · 04-01-2017 3:39pm

Sabre Man wrote: »

The showroom location is Sandyford, Dublin.

Is it the new showroom being built on the site of the old Atlas premises in Sandyford opposite the Beacon?

Scottie99 · 05-01-2017 9:20pm

I've subscribed to this some months ago, I find it informative..

https://youtu.be/AbcXwX5kwm8

unkel · 06-01-2017 2:22pm

ScumLord wrote: »

It's probably slightly below most European brands on general manufacturing quality.

Which means it is miles ahead of the main US brands. Which is quite an achievement for a company that is yet to build their first mass manufactured car!

Tesla Model 3

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