Are we used to Dublin being a Kip?

07-05-2019 4:56pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

To me it's the small broken window or graffiti syndrome. It is ignored by City Council and the problem grows out of all proportion and any attempts to sort it out are abandoned.. Yer man in New York with zero tolerance policy got that city sorted out and it is now very safe and cleaner than it ever was.

There's no doubt that the North City area (apart from Docklands) is really a total mess. Awful to look at all the way up to Parnell Street, east to Talbot Street and west down the North Quays and Benburb Street. So many sad looking derelict buildings, although Smithfield doesn't look too bad. The Blessington Basin is a hidden gem too.

The South side is fine, but has crowding problems on the pavements everywhere. I rarely go North of the Liffey now it is too depressing and a bit dodge TBH. Anyway parts of Dublin are just great, the Docklands, the canal basin at Bord Gais theatre, Merrion Square, Stephen's Green, all the little streets off Grafton Street, although I don't rate Grafton Street myself.

With a bit of vision all parts of the city could look good. Too many drug clinics around which attract a certain clientele. There's no easy way of saying it. And then they stray into the main streets and can cause trouble. Same in many cities, but other places seem to contain that kind of thing somehow. And I really don't care if anyone comes back at me with a bleeding heart excuse for these scumbags. They are not what we want in the main thoroughfares of our capital city. But no one will bite the bullet and move the clinics. Matter of fact the injection centre is to be at Merchant's Quay right beside Patricks Cathedral and opposite the Four Courts. Madness!

I love Dublin, but I'm afraid I don't like it too much at the moment. Who can help to solve this?

Sorry for the long post, but I am passionate about the City.

Depends where you are in New York, friends just came back from a holiday there and said some areas like coney island had a lot of derelict buildings.

cgcsb · 07-05-2019 4:57pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

To me it's the small broken window or graffiti syndrome. It is ignored by City Council and the problem grows out of all proportion and any attempts to sort it out are abandoned.. Yer man in New York with zero tolerance policy got that city sorted out and it is now very safe and cleaner than it ever was.

There's no doubt that the North City area (apart from Docklands) is really a total mess. Awful to look at all the way up to Parnell Street, east to Talbot Street and west down the North Quays and Benburb Street. So many sad looking derelict buildings, although Smithfield doesn't look too bad. The Blessington Basin is a hidden gem too.

The South side is fine, but has crowding problems on the pavements everywhere. I rarely go North of the Liffey now it is too depressing and a bit dodge TBH. Anyway parts of Dublin are just great, the Docklands, the canal basin at Bord Gais theatre, Merrion Square, Stephen's Green, all the little streets off Grafton Street, although I don't rate Grafton Street myself.

With a bit of vision all parts of the city could look good. Too many drug clinics around which attract a certain clientele. There's no easy way of saying it. And then they stray into the main streets and can cause trouble. Same in many cities, but other places seem to contain that kind of thing somehow. And I really don't care if anyone comes back at me with a bleeding heart excuse for these scumbags. They are not what we want in the main thoroughfares of our capital city. But no one will bite the bullet and move the clinics. Matter of fact the injection centre is to be at Merchant's Quay right beside Patricks Cathedral and opposite the Four Courts. Madness!

I love Dublin, but I'm afraid I don't like it too much at the moment. Who can help to solve this?

Sorry for the long post, but I am passionate about the City.

MQI has a lot to answer for, on any given day all the undesireables are queing outside it, pissing, shouting and throwing things at eachother and assaulting passers by. It got so bad recently that the NTA had to move the Merchants Quay bus stop a few metres up the road to protect their passengers. In any other country if an establishment can't manage the behaviour of their clientele, they are closed, but no, us normal folk will just have to move the bus stop so as not to offend.

I was walking down there one day and a female junkie just, casual as you like, punched a young Itallian girl, wearing a guiness themed hoody, in the face and ran off. I and another passer by stopped to help her, the other passer by, a man, mentioned that this woman had seen this woman hit randomers before and had called the gardaí, but nothing comes of it. Again, anywhere else she'd be on the inside.

tayto lover · 07-05-2019 5:03pm

Good job your friend didn’t visit Gaza. She could have been killed by an indiscriminate rocket fired from Israel.

antodeco · 07-05-2019 5:04pm

Ive seen rubbish being dumped by a lot of people in Dublin, and its 50:50 when it comes to "locals" or "foreigners". Example in point, walking along and saw 3 or 4 kids throw all their rubbish over the wall along the liffey. I called them out on it, and they were italian. They apologiesed and put it in the bin that was literally beside the wall they dumped their stuff over. It may be a "Dublin thing" but its certainly not confined to "Dubliners".

jimgoose · 07-05-2019 5:04pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

We have a higher welfare expenditure per capita/GDP than a lot of other EU countries...

We have lower social welfare expenditure as a percentage of GDP than the USA.

Spanish Eyes · 07-05-2019 5:05pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

Depends where you are in New York, friends just came back from a holiday there and said some areas like coney island had a lot of derelict buildings.

Was talking about downtown Manhattan, you know just like Dublin City Centre but on a much greater scale. Coney Island would be like us going to Donabate.

harry Bailey esq · 07-05-2019 5:11pm

endacl wrote: »

Anti-Israel dig accidentally becomes good idea!

He has a point though, that's how the Israelis normally handle sh*t. Some parts of the city could certainly do with a lick of paint in all fairness, it's easy to ignore after a while. Not an ideal situation obviously, but it is what it is. It you live/work in town it doesn't take long before you just ignore the less salubrious streets and the various characters roaming said streets. Sad but true.

Thelonious Monk · 07-05-2019 5:16pm

In North Inner City it seems to be standard for the locals to just put bags of rubbish out on the street or in and around bins. They wont pay for bin tags. I've seen this so many times, just putting it out there unashamedly. Then seagulls attack it or the wind blows it everywhere. The North Inner City is filthy. Fairview Park too, people just leave rubbish everywhere, plastic bottles all over the pitches from football games. I can never understand the mentality of litterers.

cgcsb · 07-05-2019 5:20pm

DCC isn't cleaning the NE inner city anymore, citing cultural reasons, essentially all the gypsies they stuffed in there don't believe in bins.

Thelonious Monk · 07-05-2019 5:21pm

cgcsb wrote: »

DCC isn't cleaning the NE inner city anymore, citing cultural reasons, essentially all the gypsies they stuffed in there don't believe in bins.

well the ones I've seen putting bags out on the road etc aren't gypsies. I cycle through Summerhill and Ballybough etc regularly, it's filthy.

Hal3000 · 07-05-2019 5:24pm

cgcsb wrote: »

DCC isn't cleaning the NE inner city anymore, citing cultural reasons, essentially all the gypsies they stuffed in there don't believe in bins.

They aren't cleaning anywhere anymore. The only people who clean are volunteers and tidy towns. St Anne's park is the same. They empty the bins and drive by the rubbish scattered all over the park. Blame people if you will, but street sanitation in the city is their responsibility. If they don't want it then outsource it to a private company and use the money we pay for our property tax to fund a proper sanitation company who won't do such a half as**d job.

circadian · 07-05-2019 5:28pm

cgcsb wrote: »

DCC isn't cleaning the NE inner city anymore, citing cultural reasons, essentially all the gypsies they stuffed in there don't believe in bins.

You uh, got any references for that?

wakka12 · 07-05-2019 5:30pm

circadian wrote: »

You uh, got any references for that?

obviously its a joke lol

Riesen_Meal · 07-05-2019 5:41pm

El_Bee wrote: »

There's a miasma of badness that hangs over the place, bad is good, doing bad things is good, getting one over on people is good, **** the police and **** the system, but give us our benefits or there'll be murder. A broken society that somehow functions in spite of itself.

Any other anti-Dublin pearl's of wisdom for us while you are at it?

Hal3000 · 07-05-2019 5:45pm

Fieldog wrote: »

Any other anti-Dublin pearl's of wisdom for us while you are at it?

Plenty. Next time you take the Dart, check out the Northside Dart stations... Things of beauty they become.

iamwhoiam · 07-05-2019 5:46pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

In France you get between 52 and 75% of your last salary paid to you plus other benefits once you lose your job as the headline rate then reduces to around 300 euro a week for long term unemployed. They also have far more worker friendly laws than we do.

Where here you get near enough the same whether you never worked a day or worked 40 years
In fact if you loose your job in say 2018 and happened to work only 6 months in 2016 for any reason you would get less than someone who never worked at all

Rubberchikken · 07-05-2019 5:48pm

theres crap behaviour in every city.
im no fan of dublin, find it seriously lacking in comparison.to other cities, but i go there regularly enough and never experience any behaviour that wouldnt be seen elsewhere.

Riesen_Meal · 07-05-2019 5:59pm

Hal3000 wrote: »

Plenty. Next time you take the Dart, check out the Northside Dart stations... Things of beauty they become.

Haven't been on the dart in a few years now, what's wrong with the Dart stations?

07-05-2019 6:10pm

Fieldog wrote: »

Haven't been on the dart in a few years now, what's wrong with the Dart stations?

young people smoking joints of weed and playing hop music on their ghetto blasters, I'm guessing..

Hal3000 · 07-05-2019 6:14pm

Fieldog wrote: »

Haven't been on the dart in a few years now, what's wrong with the Dart stations?

Kip's. All the grass verges are dead and full of plastics. Lovely for tourists going to Howth and local people who have to stare at it each morning. Disgusting and depressing.

El_Bee · 07-05-2019 6:21pm

Fieldog wrote: »

Any other anti-Dublin pearl's of wisdom for us while you are at it?

Yeah, carpet bombing would produce a marked improvement.

BPKS · 07-05-2019 6:28pm

Last time I was in Dublin, we were walking down a street about 5 minutes from O'Connell Street.

I noticed a kids scooter abandoned on the footpath a bit ahead of us.

As I got closer I could see the reason.

The scooter had rolled over one of a few nappies which had been dumped on the path and the wheel was covered in human sh1t.

My son just looked at me and said 'And thats another reason I'd never want to live in this dump'.

Spanish Eyes · 07-05-2019 6:37pm

When you have pride in your home and area, the place will be looked after generally speaking, even if it is from volunteers and Tidy Towns etc.

Where there is no connection to a place, or dare I say it, when some people get things for nothing, they are unlikely to care about litter or graffiti or anything like that. Always someone else's problem, never theirs even if they create it.

North City needs a bloody good makeover. But what does Owen Keegan care? He sits up there in his eyrie in Wood Quay, has use of the staff canteen, and probably has never walked the city, good and bad bits during his tenure. He was the previous incumbent in Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Council. Nice job of the main street there.

They don't give a fig. It is very sad to me. Hopefully a directly elected Mayor might get the ball rolling. Sigh, another ten years for that I suppose.

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 6:45pm

jimgoose wrote: »

You'll have no problem whatsoever in Limerick at any hour of the day unless you're looking for one. It is theoretically possible to wander into some dangerous corner of Southill or Prospect, for example, but rather unlikely.

Actually the most likely place to veer off course is when visiting the castle, you're in St Mary's Park reasonably quickly

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 6:47pm

topper75 wrote: »

In other countries the left focus on the proletariat. Irish leftist culture is a mental movement unto itself, where the focus is sharply on the lumpen proletariat, an element Marx himself had little time for oddly enough.

Nailed it.

I urge people to be mindful of our cities' shortcomings but not to see that in extreme terms. A nice time is easily had in Dublin and Limerick but you need to be a little streetwise in both.

Add to that the left here are of the Michael D variety, champagne socialists who view travellers and benefit lifers as exotic pets

Media and academia dominated by this class of leftist

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 7:02pm

jimgoose wrote: »

We're actually very lucky here, because we have... the Civil War. Yes, that gift that keeps on giving. It enables us to have one great big Centre-Right political party that are able to convince themselves that they are two separate, completely different parties with totally diametrically opposed ideals. This has the fortunate side-effect of forcing them to scrabble rather hard to find actual differences between them which consist largely of nuance and squabbling over various budget overruns. The net overall effect of this is, over the long-term, a relatively peaceful and productive jurisdiction in which the loo-lahs are kept mainly on the outside licking the windows.

As an aside, I remember the so-called Rainbow Coalition in the mid-1990s, which saw Proinsias De Rossa like a pig in shit as Minister for Social Welfare in the middle of one of the most Blueshirt governments outside of wartime Italy. Where would you get it?? :pac:

FG and FF are both centrist, FF are centre left traditionally but under Michael Martin are every bit as left as Labour

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 7:06pm

Diceicle wrote: »

Lots of places have their 'kippy' aspects, graffiti (tagging, more so) in Lisbon I thought was next level bad. The bombed-out, run downness of Budapest was bad in places - but in any place I've visited I've never been harassed like you are in Dublin if you're sitting out having a drink or a meal. Beggars etc in the European cities I've visited sit silently and never harass anyone.
Dublin has an air of menace at times where its like your day can go south for you if your catch the eye of the wrong person.
Its not a warzone, those other counties I've visited have their drab areas, however we seem to have more scummers per capita roaming the city centre than anywhere else I've been.

For its size, Limerick has far more scum than any city in the country including Dublin, it has four council estates which bar perhaps Darndale, no other city can compete with in the pond life department

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 7:09pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

We have a higher welfare expenditure per capita/GDP than a lot of other EU countries, but the vast bulk of that goes on pensions.

Out-of-work benefits are lower in Ireland than in most western European countries, where payments are made as a proportion of working income before reducing to the standard amount. The obvious exception to that is Britain.

But we have to look beyond mere welfare transfers, into things like housing and public healthcare. Housing policy is so under-resourced and focused on private enterprise that it hardly requires elaboration, and although healthcare is well funded, there is a great deal of direct transfer of public funds to the private sector; after all, Mary Harney made it clear that her preference was for Boston, not Berlin. And although our healthcare system isn't as explicitly liberal as that of the US, it is less founded on social solidarity than most European systems. We are closer to Boston than Berlin, even if we are stuck somewhere in the mid Atlantic without the proverbial paddle.

30% of council tenants are in rent arrears but of course are never evicted ( perish the thought), what incentive is there for local authorities to build, it's a sink hole for money, add to that the houses are not looked after

iamwhoiam · 07-05-2019 7:09pm

BPKS wrote: »

Last time I was in Dublin, we were walking down a street about 5 minutes from O'Connell Street.

I noticed a kids scooter abandoned on the footpath a bit ahead of us.

As I got closer I could see the reason.

The scooter had rolled over one of a few nappies which had been dumped on the path and the wheel was covered in human sh1t.

My son just looked at me and said 'And thats another reason I'd never want to live in this dump'.

I hope you explained that the whole of Dublin is not a dump

Beechwoodspark · 07-05-2019 7:10pm

Regarding the drug clinics Here’s a thought

Hse buys a knackered clapped out ship on the cheap

put a drug treatment centre onboard and get the addicts on board then sail out a fair distance into the sea and everyone happy.

They can sit on the deck playing aslan and hard house thru their tinny phone speakers to their hearts content. Smoking sH1t hash and drinking cans of the cheapest cider available.

Probably will need a bit of security but no harm. Eastern European ex special forces would relish such a novel task.

Then regenerate the city centre

Riesen_Meal · 07-05-2019 7:11pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

For its size, Limerick has far more scum than any city in the country including Dublin, it has four council estates which bar perhaps Darndale, no other city can compete with in the pond life department

Not sure I'd agree with that, I think all areas have relative "kips" Ballybeg in Waterford, Ballybane/Tuam in Galway, Southhill in Limerick, Moneymore in Drogheda etc etc

You can't tar all so called "bad area's" with one brush, every area in most countries has it's own sh1tholes...

Most people in these places are decent, it's a few scumbags who wreck it for everyone...

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 7:17pm

Fieldog wrote: »

Not sure I'd agree with that, I think all areas have relative "kips" Ballybeg in Waterford, Ballybane/Tuam in Galway, Southhill in Limerick, Moneymore in Drogheda etc etc

You can't tar all so called "bad area's" with one brush, every area in most countries has it's own sh1tholes...

Most people in these places are decent, it's a few scumbags who wreck it for everyone...

Nowhere in Galway ( and I don't rate Galway) comes close to any of the four notorious council estates in Limerick, neither does monamore in Drogheda

Ash.J.Williams · 07-05-2019 7:20pm

Joints of weed.... Lord save us

Chris_Heilong · 07-05-2019 7:30pm

Still there is no where else in Ireland I would rather live.

Spanish Eyes · 07-05-2019 7:53pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Regarding the drug clinics Here’s a thought

Hse buys a knackered clapped out ship on the cheap

put a drug treatment centre onboard and get the addicts on board then sail out a fair distance into the sea and everyone happy.

They can sit on the deck playing aslan and hard house thru their tinny phone speakers to their hearts content. Smoking sH1t hash and drinking cans of the cheapest cider available.

Probably will need a bit of security but no harm. Eastern European ex special forces would relish such a novel task.

Then regenerate the city centre

Free seasickness pills with yer Methadone

recedite · 07-05-2019 8:11pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Joints of weed.... Lord save us

In fairness, the quote in context goes..

dreamliner wrote: »

The fact they were smoking weed at what appeared to be 12 years of age finished it off for him, he couldn't understand how any society deems that normal.

joe swanson · 07-05-2019 8:39pm

In comparison to most European capitals , Dublin unfortunately is a kip. I have had the good luck to be able to travel to many European cities and you can walk around most city centre s without much worry for your personal safety. Dublin city centre however just seems to be a meeting place for the scum of the county to congregate and engage in whatever behaviour they want . I would imagine coming here as a tourist would not be pleasurable

corner of hells · 07-05-2019 8:47pm

joe swanson wrote: »

In comparison to most European capitals , Dublin unfortunately is a kip. I have had the good luck to be able to travel to many European cities and you can walk around most city centre s without much worry for your personal safety. Dublin city centre however just seems to be a meeting place for the scum of the county to congregate and engage in whatever behaviour they want . I would imagine coming here as a tourist would not be pleasurable

Yet nearly 6 million tourists visited Dublin in 2017.

Thelonious Monk · 07-05-2019 8:54pm

What annoys me is walking around some streets in town where the paths and kerbs are just in absolute bits like someone's been hammering at them with kango hammers and bulldozers. Baggot St and Merrion Row spring to mind, and South Anne St. It just looks terrible, for all the money we squander in this country you'd think they'd be able to get the little things right.
Also pedestrians are not favoured at crossings, the car is. Even at lunchtime you've to wait a bloody age on the tiny footpaths in certain parts of the city, when the streets are packed, for the lights to change so you can cross. Again Baggot St and Merrion Row are terrible for this. Lots of streets have plenty of room to accommodate bigger footpaths and cycle lanes but nothing is being done.

Spanish Eyes · 07-05-2019 8:57pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Yet nearly 6 million tourists visited Dublin in 2017.

To be quite honest, the city is for its people, if the people living there are treated with respect by the powers that be, ie cleaning the place, policing it, maintaining it and moving the scumbag clinics out, then tourists will love it.

Sure all they do is go to Temple Bar and Trinity and Guinness, and Dublin Castle. Doubt many go down Talbot Street or Parnell area.

Dublin is for us, the rest should follow. Time to man the barricades. Those of you with a vote in the Inner City Wards, please give the candidates a rollicking.

But I suppose all they are interested in in a house for Molly or Joe near the Ma, at taxpayer's expense.

07-05-2019 8:58pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What annoys me is walking around some streets in town where the paths and kerbs are just in absolute bits like someone's been hammering at them with kango hammers and bulldozers. Baggot St and Merrion Row spring to mind, and South Anne St. It just looks terrible, for all the money we squander in this country you'd think they'd be able to get the little things right.

I'm almost convinced that Dublin City Council have some kind of competition running to see who can be the first to tear up a newly laid pavement and re-fill it with a big dirty-looking lump of tarmac that isn't even trying to blend in.

Its either that or they simply could not give a fcuk. Its not a phenomenon I've noticed elsewhere.

corner of hells · 07-05-2019 9:04pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

To be quite honest, the city is for its people, if the people living there are treated with respect by the powers that be, ie cleaning the place, policing it, maintaining it and moving the scumbag clinics out, then tourists will love it.

Sure all they do is go to Temple Bar and Trinity and Guinness, and Dublin Castle. Doubt many go down Talbot Street or Parnell area.

Dublin is for us, the rest should follow. Time to man the barricades. Those of you with a vote in the Inner City Wards, please give the candidates a rollicking.

But I suppose all they are interested in in a house for Molly or Joe near the Ma, at taxpayer's expense.

Move the clinics where ?

Spanish Eyes · 07-05-2019 9:11pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Move the clinics where ?

Out of the city centre and tourist areas for a start. But you know this already. Any suggestions yourself? Unless you are a hard Leftie apologist you know this is the right thing to do now for the sake of our City.

I am sure someone somewhere could find a spot or two in an industrial estate or near a Traveller camp, you know, places where no one else will ever go, and not near a DART or LUAS either, make them walk, lazy gits. That is satirical, but as always has a grain of truth.

I didn't cause the junkie problem, but am paying for the fallout every day. MQI and all other clinics should not be anywhere near the city centre. Ever. But no one will speak up.

woodchuck · 07-05-2019 9:12pm

I walk through a not so nice area of Dublin on my way home and the amount of rubbish in that area is unreal. Today I passed a group of teenagers and one of them casually threw an empty chip bag onto the road. I would have loved to have said something to him, but I genuinely would've feared for my safety (a small woman against a gang of teenagers).

He was just so bloody casual about it though! It's not like it's difficult to find a bin, they're everywhere. Walk 10/20 minutes down the road to a better area and there is noticeably less litter.

I blame the parents. How difficult is it to teach your kids not to litter?!

corner of hells · 07-05-2019 9:20pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Out of the city centre and tourist areas for a start. But you know this already. Any suggestions yourself? Unless you are a hard Leftie apologist you know this is the right thing to do now for the sake of our City.

I am sure someone somewhere could find a spot or two in an industrial estate or near a Traveller camp, you know, places where no one else will ever go, and not near a DART or LUAS either, make them walk, lazy gits. That is satirical, but as always has a grain of truth.

I didn't cause the junkie problem, but am paying for the fallout every day. MQI and all other clinics should not be anywhere near the city centre. Ever. But no one will speak up.

I'm certainly no apologist but just saying move the "clinics" is no answer.
Logisticaly you've to move an astonishing amount of services from accommodation, clinics (I'm taking it that you mean methadone clinics) needle exchanges , specialised medical care both physical and mental health , an example would be the guide clinic .
The list is endless.
You mentioned MQI, which in itself is not a clinic.

Spanish Eyes · 07-05-2019 9:21pm

woodchuck wrote: »

I walk through a not so nice area of Dublin on my way home and the amount of rubbish in that area is unreal. Today I passed a group of teenagers and one of them casually threw an empty chip bag onto the road. I would have loved to have said something to him, but I genuinely would've feared for my safety (a small woman against a gang of teenagers).

He was just so bloody casual about it though! It's not like it's difficult to find a bin, they're everywhere. Walk 10/20 minutes down the road to a better area and there is noticeably less litter.

I blame the parents. How difficult is it to teach your kids not to litter?!

Lack of education and a lack of respect too. God I sound like a dyed in the wool Tory there!. But the truth is, in well maintained areas it is sustained, but where there is no sense of respect or pride in an area it just gets worse.

I honestly don't know what the answer is anymore, given the inalienable civil rights afforded to everyone no matter how they seem to behave. Or lack of enforcement of the law, I dunno.

Sad to see parts of the city decaying before our eyes. No one seems to care. Apart from people like ourselves who would really like to see someone take it in hand. But in certain areas, I think it has gone beyond the point of no return now.

Spanish Eyes · 07-05-2019 9:31pm

corner of hells wrote: »

I'm certainly no apologist but just saying move the "clinics" is no answer.
Logisticaly you've to move an astonishing amount of services from accommodation, clinics (I'm taking it that you mean methadone clinics) needle exchanges , specialised medical care both physical and mental health , an example would be the guide clinic .
The list is endless.
You mentioned MQI, which in itself is not a clinic.

I wasn't having a go at you personally, just to mention.

But if you cannot suggest a solution, well the clinics are here to stay within the City Centre aren't they? MQI is a methadone centre, soon to have an injection centre also. Right beside Patricks Cathedral and the Four Courts.

That cannot be sustained, it is not viable anymore. The clients are driving ordinary citizens and visitors nuts with their scumbaggery.

There are endless solutions if the will was there. But it isn't. I am unhappy about that TBH.

corner of hells · 07-05-2019 9:36pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I wasn't having a go at you personally, just to mention.

But if you cannot suggest a solution, well the clinics are here to stay within the City Centre aren't they? MQI is a methadone centre, soon to have an injection centre also. Right beside Patricks Cathedral and the Four Courts.

That cannot be sustained, it is not viable anymore. The clients are driving ordinary citizens and visitors nuts with their scumbaggery.

There are endless solutions if the will was there. But it isn't. I am unhappy about that TBH.

I can't suggest a solution , no local authority residents association etc would ever accept those services in thier localities.
MQI does not give out methadone.

Hal3000 · 07-05-2019 9:44pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

When you have pride in your home and area, the place will be looked after generally speaking, even if it is from volunteers and Tidy Towns etc.

Where there is no connection to a place, or dare I say it, when some people get things for nothing, they are unlikely to care about litter or graffiti or anything like that. Always someone else's problem, never theirs even if they create it.

North City needs a bloody good makeover. But what does Owen Keegan care? He sits up there in his eyrie in Wood Quay, has use of the staff canteen, and probably has never walked the city, good and bad bits during his tenure. He was the previous incumbent in Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Council. Nice job of the main street there.

They don't give a fig. It is very sad to me. Hopefully a directly elected Mayor might get the ball rolling. Sigh, another ten years for that I suppose.

Totally agree. The council are fantastic at emptying bins and driving / sitting on their holes in vans. Again ZERO accountability. I personally think street sanitation must be taken away from DCC and privatized. Use our property tax to bring the place up to scratch. They seem to be able to do it in every other country except here . We are a nation full of excuses, costs, staff, insurance etc etc...

I'm half thinking of starting a boards thread called post your pics of Dublin the Kip !!

Spanish Eyes · 07-05-2019 9:46pm

corner of hells wrote: »

I can't suggest a solution , no local authority residents association etc would ever accept those services in thier localities.
MQI does not give out methadone.

Ok what does the MQI centre on the Quays provide that results in fighting and police arrivals, and ambulances a lot!

As a pp mentioned, the bus stop outside MQ was moved closer to the Merchant Pub because it was so dangerous for those waiting for a bus outside it. Great solution. Make the working people suffer for the transgressions of those using a centre like MQI. They should be moved from there. Where to I don't know, will be like the Travellers, the immigrant centres, the hubs, you name it. Doesn't have to be a residential area at all.

But at the end of the day, there are places outside the city but no one will commit, maybe it is a Union issue, but I thought all those working in such centres were altruists, and would do anything to help the poor crathurs.

Are we used to Dublin being a Kip?

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