Are we used to Dublin being a Kip?

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

To me it's the small broken window or graffiti syndrome. It is ignored by City Council and the problem grows out of all proportion and any attempts to sort it out are abandoned.. Yer man in New York with zero tolerance policy got that city sorted out and it is now very safe and cleaner than it ever was.

There's no doubt that the North City area (apart from Docklands) is really a total mess. Awful to look at all the way up to Parnell Street, east to Talbot Street and west down the North Quays and Benburb Street. So many sad looking derelict buildings, although Smithfield doesn't look too bad. The Blessington Basin is a hidden gem too.

The South side is fine, but has crowding problems on the pavements everywhere. I rarely go North of the Liffey now it is too depressing and a bit dodge TBH. Anyway parts of Dublin are just great, the Docklands, the canal basin at Bord Gais theatre, Merrion Square, Stephen's Green, all the little streets off Grafton Street, although I don't rate Grafton Street myself.

With a bit of vision all parts of the city could look good. Too many drug clinics around which attract a certain clientele. There's no easy way of saying it. And then they stray into the main streets and can cause trouble. Same in many cities, but other places seem to contain that kind of thing somehow. And I really don't care if anyone comes back at me with a bleeding heart excuse for these scumbags. They are not what we want in the main thoroughfares of our capital city. But no one will bite the bullet and move the clinics. Matter of fact the injection centre is to be at Merchant's Quay right beside Patricks Cathedral and opposite the Four Courts. Madness!

I love Dublin, but I'm afraid I don't like it too much at the moment. Who can help to solve this?

Sorry for the long post, but I am passionate about the City.

Depends where you are in New York, friends just came back from a holiday there and said some areas like coney island had a lot of derelict buildings.

cgcsb

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

To me it's the small broken window or graffiti syndrome. It is ignored by City Council and the problem grows out of all proportion and any attempts to sort it out are abandoned.. Yer man in New York with zero tolerance policy got that city sorted out and it is now very safe and cleaner than it ever was.

There's no doubt that the North City area (apart from Docklands) is really a total mess. Awful to look at all the way up to Parnell Street, east to Talbot Street and west down the North Quays and Benburb Street. So many sad looking derelict buildings, although Smithfield doesn't look too bad. The Blessington Basin is a hidden gem too.

The South side is fine, but has crowding problems on the pavements everywhere. I rarely go North of the Liffey now it is too depressing and a bit dodge TBH. Anyway parts of Dublin are just great, the Docklands, the canal basin at Bord Gais theatre, Merrion Square, Stephen's Green, all the little streets off Grafton Street, although I don't rate Grafton Street myself.

With a bit of vision all parts of the city could look good. Too many drug clinics around which attract a certain clientele. There's no easy way of saying it. And then they stray into the main streets and can cause trouble. Same in many cities, but other places seem to contain that kind of thing somehow. And I really don't care if anyone comes back at me with a bleeding heart excuse for these scumbags. They are not what we want in the main thoroughfares of our capital city. But no one will bite the bullet and move the clinics. Matter of fact the injection centre is to be at Merchant's Quay right beside Patricks Cathedral and opposite the Four Courts. Madness!

I love Dublin, but I'm afraid I don't like it too much at the moment. Who can help to solve this?

Sorry for the long post, but I am passionate about the City.

MQI has a lot to answer for, on any given day all the undesireables are queing outside it, pissing, shouting and throwing things at eachother and assaulting passers by. It got so bad recently that the NTA had to move the Merchants Quay bus stop a few metres up the road to protect their passengers. In any other country if an establishment can't manage the behaviour of their clientele, they are closed, but no, us normal folk will just have to move the bus stop so as not to offend.

I was walking down there one day and a female junkie just, casual as you like, punched a young Itallian girl, wearing a guiness themed hoody, in the face and ran off. I and another passer by stopped to help her, the other passer by, a man, mentioned that this woman had seen this woman hit randomers before and had called the gardaí, but nothing comes of it. Again, anywhere else she'd be on the inside.

tayto lover

Good job your friend didn’t visit Gaza. She could have been killed by an indiscriminate rocket fired from Israel.

antodeco

Ive seen rubbish being dumped by a lot of people in Dublin, and its 50:50 when it comes to "locals" or "foreigners". Example in point, walking along and saw 3 or 4 kids throw all their rubbish over the wall along the liffey. I called them out on it, and they were italian. They apologiesed and put it in the bin that was literally beside the wall they dumped their stuff over. It may be a "Dublin thing" but its certainly not confined to "Dubliners".

jimgoose

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

We have a higher welfare expenditure per capita/GDP than a lot of other EU countries...

We have lower social welfare expenditure as a percentage of GDP than the USA.

Spanish Eyes

DubInMeath wrote: »

Depends where you are in New York, friends just came back from a holiday there and said some areas like coney island had a lot of derelict buildings.

Was talking about downtown Manhattan, you know just like Dublin City Centre but on a much greater scale. Coney Island would be like us going to Donabate.

harry Bailey esq

endacl wrote: »

Anti-Israel dig accidentally becomes good idea!

He has a point though, that's how the Israelis normally handle sh*t. Some parts of the city could certainly do with a lick of paint in all fairness, it's easy to ignore after a while. Not an ideal situation obviously, but it is what it is. It you live/work in town it doesn't take long before you just ignore the less salubrious streets and the various characters roaming said streets. Sad but true.

Thelonious Monk

In North Inner City it seems to be standard for the locals to just put bags of rubbish out on the street or in and around bins. They wont pay for bin tags. I've seen this so many times, just putting it out there unashamedly. Then seagulls attack it or the wind blows it everywhere. The North Inner City is filthy. Fairview Park too, people just leave rubbish everywhere, plastic bottles all over the pitches from football games. I can never understand the mentality of litterers.

cgcsb

DCC isn't cleaning the NE inner city anymore, citing cultural reasons, essentially all the gypsies they stuffed in there don't believe in bins.

Thelonious Monk

cgcsb wrote: »

DCC isn't cleaning the NE inner city anymore, citing cultural reasons, essentially all the gypsies they stuffed in there don't believe in bins.

well the ones I've seen putting bags out on the road etc aren't gypsies. I cycle through Summerhill and Ballybough etc regularly, it's filthy.

Hal3000

cgcsb wrote: »

DCC isn't cleaning the NE inner city anymore, citing cultural reasons, essentially all the gypsies they stuffed in there don't believe in bins.

They aren't cleaning anywhere anymore. The only people who clean are volunteers and tidy towns. St Anne's park is the same. They empty the bins and drive by the rubbish scattered all over the park. Blame people if you will, but street sanitation in the city is their responsibility. If they don't want it then outsource it to a private company and use the money we pay for our property tax to fund a proper sanitation company who won't do such a half as**d job.

circadian

cgcsb wrote: »

DCC isn't cleaning the NE inner city anymore, citing cultural reasons, essentially all the gypsies they stuffed in there don't believe in bins.

You uh, got any references for that?

wakka12

circadian wrote: »

You uh, got any references for that?

obviously its a joke lol

Riesen_Meal

El_Bee wrote: »

There's a miasma of badness that hangs over the place, bad is good, doing bad things is good, getting one over on people is good, **** the police and **** the system, but give us our benefits or there'll be murder. A broken society that somehow functions in spite of itself.

Any other anti-Dublin pearl's of wisdom for us while you are at it?

Hal3000

Fieldog wrote: »

Any other anti-Dublin pearl's of wisdom for us while you are at it?

Plenty. Next time you take the Dart, check out the Northside Dart stations... Things of beauty they become.

iamwhoiam

DubInMeath wrote: »

In France you get between 52 and 75% of your last salary paid to you plus other benefits once you lose your job as the headline rate then reduces to around 300 euro a week for long term unemployed. They also have far more worker friendly laws than we do.

Where here you get near enough the same whether you never worked a day or worked 40 years
In fact if you loose your job in say 2018 and happened to work only 6 months in 2016 for any reason you would get less than someone who never worked at all

Rubberchikken

theres crap behaviour in every city.
im no fan of dublin, find it seriously lacking in comparison.to other cities, but i go there regularly enough and never experience any behaviour that wouldnt be seen elsewhere.

Riesen_Meal

Hal3000 wrote: »

Plenty. Next time you take the Dart, check out the Northside Dart stations... Things of beauty they become.

Haven't been on the dart in a few years now, what's wrong with the Dart stations?

Fieldog

Fieldog wrote: »

Haven't been on the dart in a few years now, what's wrong with the Dart stations?

young people smoking joints of weed and playing hop music on their ghetto blasters, I'm guessing..

Hal3000

Fieldog wrote: »

Haven't been on the dart in a few years now, what's wrong with the Dart stations?

Kip's. All the grass verges are dead and full of plastics. Lovely for tourists going to Howth and local people who have to stare at it each morning. Disgusting and depressing.

El_Bee

Fieldog wrote: »

Any other anti-Dublin pearl's of wisdom for us while you are at it?

Yeah, carpet bombing would produce a marked improvement.

BPKS

Last time I was in Dublin, we were walking down a street about 5 minutes from O'Connell Street.

I noticed a kids scooter abandoned on the footpath a bit ahead of us.

As I got closer I could see the reason.

The scooter had rolled over one of a few nappies which had been dumped on the path and the wheel was covered in human sh1t.

My son just looked at me and said 'And thats another reason I'd never want to live in this dump'.

Spanish Eyes

When you have pride in your home and area, the place will be looked after generally speaking, even if it is from volunteers and Tidy Towns etc.

Where there is no connection to a place, or dare I say it, when some people get things for nothing, they are unlikely to care about litter or graffiti or anything like that. Always someone else's problem, never theirs even if they create it.

North City needs a bloody good makeover. But what does Owen Keegan care? He sits up there in his eyrie in Wood Quay, has use of the staff canteen, and probably has never walked the city, good and bad bits during his tenure. He was the previous incumbent in Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Council. Nice job of the main street there.

They don't give a fig. It is very sad to me. Hopefully a directly elected Mayor might get the ball rolling. Sigh, another ten years for that I suppose.

Mad_maxx

jimgoose wrote: »

You'll have no problem whatsoever in Limerick at any hour of the day unless you're looking for one. It is theoretically possible to wander into some dangerous corner of Southill or Prospect, for example, but rather unlikely.

Actually the most likely place to veer off course is when visiting the castle, you're in St Mary's Park reasonably quickly

Mad_maxx

topper75 wrote: »

In other countries the left focus on the proletariat. Irish leftist culture is a mental movement unto itself, where the focus is sharply on the lumpen proletariat, an element Marx himself had little time for oddly enough.



Nailed it.

I urge people to be mindful of our cities' shortcomings but not to see that in extreme terms. A nice time is easily had in Dublin and Limerick but you need to be a little streetwise in both.

Add to that the left here are of the Michael D variety, champagne socialists who view travellers and benefit lifers as exotic pets

Media and academia dominated by this class of leftist

Mad_maxx

jimgoose wrote: »

We're actually very lucky here, because we have... the Civil War. Yes, that gift that keeps on giving. It enables us to have one great big Centre-Right political party that are able to convince themselves that they are two separate, completely different parties with totally diametrically opposed ideals. This has the fortunate side-effect of forcing them to scrabble rather hard to find actual differences between them which consist largely of nuance and squabbling over various budget overruns. The net overall effect of this is, over the long-term, a relatively peaceful and productive jurisdiction in which the loo-lahs are kept mainly on the outside licking the windows.

As an aside, I remember the so-called Rainbow Coalition in the mid-1990s, which saw Proinsias De Rossa like a pig in shit as Minister for Social Welfare in the middle of one of the most Blueshirt governments outside of wartime Italy. Where would you get it?? :pac:

FG and FF are both centrist, FF are centre left traditionally but under Michael Martin are every bit as left as Labour

Mad_maxx

Diceicle wrote: »

Lots of places have their 'kippy' aspects, graffiti (tagging, more so) in Lisbon I thought was next level bad. The bombed-out, run downness of Budapest was bad in places - but in any place I've visited I've never been harassed like you are in Dublin if you're sitting out having a drink or a meal. Beggars etc in the European cities I've visited sit silently and never harass anyone.
Dublin has an air of menace at times where its like your day can go south for you if your catch the eye of the wrong person.
Its not a warzone, those other counties I've visited have their drab areas, however we seem to have more scummers per capita roaming the city centre than anywhere else I've been.

For its size, Limerick has far more scum than any city in the country including Dublin, it has four council estates which bar perhaps Darndale, no other city can compete with in the pond life department

Mad_maxx

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

We have a higher welfare expenditure per capita/GDP than a lot of other EU countries, but the vast bulk of that goes on pensions.

Out-of-work benefits are lower in Ireland than in most western European countries, where payments are made as a proportion of working income before reducing to the standard amount. The obvious exception to that is Britain.

But we have to look beyond mere welfare transfers, into things like housing and public healthcare. Housing policy is so under-resourced and focused on private enterprise that it hardly requires elaboration, and although healthcare is well funded, there is a great deal of direct transfer of public funds to the private sector; after all, Mary Harney made it clear that her preference was for Boston, not Berlin. And although our healthcare system isn't as explicitly liberal as that of the US, it is less founded on social solidarity than most European systems. We are closer to Boston than Berlin, even if we are stuck somewhere in the mid Atlantic without the proverbial paddle.

30% of council tenants are in rent arrears but of course are never evicted ( perish the thought), what incentive is there for local authorities to build, it's a sink hole for money, add to that the houses are not looked after

iamwhoiam

BPKS wrote: »

Last time I was in Dublin, we were walking down a street about 5 minutes from O'Connell Street.

I noticed a kids scooter abandoned on the footpath a bit ahead of us.

As I got closer I could see the reason.

The scooter had rolled over one of a few nappies which had been dumped on the path and the wheel was covered in human sh1t.

My son just looked at me and said 'And thats another reason I'd never want to live in this dump'.

I hope you explained that the whole of Dublin is not a dump

Beechwoodspark

Regarding the drug clinics Here’s a thought

Hse buys a knackered clapped out ship on the cheap

put a drug treatment centre onboard and get the addicts on board then sail out a fair distance into the sea and everyone happy.

They can sit on the deck playing aslan and hard house thru their tinny phone speakers to their hearts content. Smoking sH1t hash and drinking cans of the cheapest cider available.

Probably will need a bit of security but no harm. Eastern European ex special forces would relish such a novel task.

Then regenerate the city centre