Are we used to Dublin being a Kip?

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 10:20am

Kivaro wrote: »

The delinquency culture exists because it is rewarded (handsomely) in this country.
What we need is just a "real" center to center-right party to redress the downward spiral of our society. No need for a hard-right government.

Hard right by our standards would be moderate to the vast majority of countries, we are a profoundly leftist state

corner of hells · 07-05-2019 10:22am

cgcsb wrote: »

Lots of posters saying that Israel's military policy should be considered separately from the day-to-day happenings on the streets. Well fundamentally they can't be separated, there probably is less anti-social behaviour in Israel because every young person is forced into the army for a year, where they learn discipline and manners, regardless of how much Natalie and Damo complain.
In Austria they have a similar set up. Would do no harm in Ireland I say. Would save use a fortune on prisons, free legal aid and street cleaning, tackling obesity etc.

A year ? It's between 2 years and two years and eight months , there's no particular issue with it either.Most Israelis serve and accept it.

partyguinness · 07-05-2019 10:22am

Kids throwing rubbish on the ground is indeed a disgrace and makes my blood boil but it's bad parenting- not the government not the Courts.

I see plenty of adults doing likewise and throwing fag butts out of car windows which really pisses me off.

I live in England and the same happens here. A few weeks back I saw two guys (early 20s) toss their McDonalds cups into bushes across from my house as I just happened to be looking out the window.

KikiLaRue · 07-05-2019 10:24am

corner of hells wrote: »

A year ? It's between 2 years and two years and eight months , there's no particular issue with it either.Most Israelis serve and accept it.

Eh yeah, because they aren't given a choice in the matter.

cgcsb · 07-05-2019 10:26am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The leftists ( who write policy) are enablers of the degenerate scum who are given free reign to ruin decent people's lives

Liberals are enemies of the decent law abiding tax payer

I don't think you mean what you are saying. Most Irish people are 'liberal' in the international sense, i.e. they support access to public housing, public healthcare, free at point education, same sex marriage etc.

That doesn't translate to also supporting consequence free scum baggery.

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 10:26am

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Sounds like you were a bad tour guide OP, where exactly did you take your friend for coffee?

Can't imagine a stroll through Trinity for a coffee on Dawson Street, followed by a walk in Stephen's Green and a quick drink on Camden Street would have left such a bad impression?

What about a visit to the National Museum of Ireland followed by coffee at a hipster spot in Smithfield?

Dublin is a thriving, vibrant city and it would have been very easy to show that off with a little thought.

I lived on Talbot Street for a year, and I hated it. It's a scummy area, and it often occurred to me that tourists arriving at Connolly or Bus Aras would get a very bad first impression of the city.

I do think we let young people get away with too much though, there should be more of an 'it takes a village' attitude.

No, just a decent pair of parents to instill values, that's out of fashion of course

Hedgelayer · 07-05-2019 10:27am

It funny how posts descend from Dublin to Israel and into Limerick, its a discussion not a comparison...

cgcsb · 07-05-2019 10:28am

corner of hells wrote: »

A year ? It's between 2 years and two years and eight months , there's no particular issue with it either.Most Israelis serve and accept it.

I'd say a year would radically change Irish society for the better. 2 seems excessive.

07-05-2019 10:28am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The leftists ( who write policy) are enablers of the degenerate scum who are given free reign to ruin decent people's lives

Liberals are enemies of the decent law abiding tax payer

max you mad thing, have a lie-down, you'll give yourself a stroke with all your panicking.

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 10:29am

cgcsb wrote: »

I don't think you mean what you are saying. Most Irish people are 'liberal' in the international sense, i.e. they support access to public housing, public healthcare, free at point education, same sex marriage etc.

That doesn't translate to also supporting consequence free scum baggery.

"most Irish people" don't influence policy, the leftist media, academia and quangocrat class do.

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 10:30am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

max you mad thing, have a lie-down, you'll give yourself a stroke with all your panicking.

Ridicule is nothing to be scared of

07-05-2019 10:34am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Ridicule is nothing to be scared of

Neither is a bit of litter and a few teenagers smoking weed. Chill, man

corner of hells · 07-05-2019 10:36am

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Eh yeah, because they aren't given a choice in the matter.

You do actually , they are open to people serving in a civilian national service , you can ask to be excluded for religious reasons and ill health may preclude you.

I've a friend who's a Falash , an Ethiopian Jew , it surprised me when he said lots of immigrants were happy to serve out of gratitude.

Yurt2 · 07-05-2019 10:46am

corner of hells wrote: »

You do actually , they are open to people serving in a civilian national service , you can ask to be excluded for religious reasons and ill health may preclude you.

I've a friend who's a Falash , an Ethiopian Jew , it surprised me when he said lots of immigrants were happy to serve out of gratitude.

The rapidly growing Haredi population for the most part don't serve. There's a growing schism between them and the secular population. Secular Israelis in the likes of Tel Aviv aren't having kids and Orthodox women have something like 6 on average. Some population projections have them at making up about 40% of the population by mid-century. They generally don't work either, have huge poverty rates and and have a completely different value system to both the secular population and indeed the Arabs. It will all come to a head someday.

Israel is a mad place.

How Soon Is Now · 07-05-2019 10:47am

The problem with Dublin city and with Ireland in general is we don't have a proper justice system there's no real consequences to your actions.

The Gardai get a lot of **** in this country and at times yes rightly so but there doing a job few want to take on and in most cases get no respect for it. They also know they could walk out there get abused physically and mentally arrest someone for breaking the law and the ****er will walk right back out again because the system supports the criminals more then it does the law abiding.

We have scum roaming the streets threw out Ireland not just Dublin so don't pretend otherwise. These lot are indulged and constantly made excuses for and in a lot of cases supported by do-gooders who believe in human rights and everyone deserves a chance etc etc bla bla. What about human rights for the ones who want to act like humans!!??

Junkies should not be left to hang around the streets abusing the general public and doing what the **** they like. The vast majority of these people are a waste of good ****ing space and don't want to change what they are! Why would they ffs? They live above the law don't have to pay for things the rest of us do and ya they have **** life's in reality but they don't know any better!

Anytime i see them which is a lot! they seem proud bragging about what scummy **** they have gotten up to and act like they love living at everyone else's expense.

Antisocial behavior in general exists because there's no fear of what might happen if you break the law. Your given the opportunity to continue doing it knowing full well you will never actually pay for it.

We live in a country where your rewarded to be lazy uneducated and basically encouraged to look after yourself and no one else.

We live in a country where decent people work there whole life's pay there tax's look after there family s and do everything to try and better themselves! Yet our government will screw us blind for this something stupid like not being able to pay your tv license could land you in jail while our own scumbags and plenty of others from outside are invited to take it easy and enjoy ''equality''

fonecrusher1 · 07-05-2019 10:48am

Dubs are a decent bunch IMO but Dublin does seem to be a bit of a kip. And those saying Limerick is worse, that's just wrong. No way. Been to both cities many times over the years. Its very weird because I have lived in a few truly huge cities abroad and the ratio of scummers / junkies / drunks to regular folks seemed much lower.

Hamsterchops · 07-05-2019 10:51am

Dublin is not a kip ...

I love Dublin and its buildings, yes it untidy in parts and yes there is litter around, but isn't that the same in every Capital City? At least the stench from the liffey doesn't seem to be as bad as I remember back in the day.

More tall buildings please, and I'll be even more proud of our Capital.

topper75 · 07-05-2019 10:54am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm from Tipperary, and grew up with Limerick being my nearest city. I know it well as being a kip. He's not wrong in fairness.

If anything, the media seem to feel guilty for reporting fairly and accurately on Limerick's previous stabbiness, and now go to great lengths to emphasise the positive aspects. But we all know.

We all know what? Did you get stabbed there or something?
I know Dublin has its quite pleasant aspects, but I never regret leaving there for Limerick. The perma-prescence of dodgy characters in the centre of Dublin can wear you down. Quality of life way higher in Limerick. Riverfest at the weekend had a fantastic buzz.

corner of hells · 07-05-2019 10:54am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Dublin is not a kip ...

I love Dublin and its buildings, yes it untidy in parts and yes there is litter around, but isn't that the same in every Capital City? At least the stench from the liffey doesn't seem to be as bad as I remember back in the day.

More tall buildings please, and I'll be even more proud of our Capital.

I fcukin' love Dublin too.

Guy:Incognito · 07-05-2019 10:58am

SmartinMartin wrote: »

So you think is ok to kill people who behave antisocially?

I do. Itll have no impact on my family (at least the ones I care about) and the country will be better. Win win.

Drive through clondalkin village for instance. Youll see people just dropping their rubbish as they walk. Not giving a ****. The mill centre carpark is disgusting with people going through the McDonalds drive through and then just dumping the rubbish out the window. These people are of no benefit to society.

Banishing them to leitrim could work too.

ILoveYourVibes · 07-05-2019 10:58am

No 1

HOW DARE YOU KNOCK MY HOMETOWN! DUBLIN IS BEAUTIFUL SHE'S PURE AND SWEET. NO ONE INSULTS MY TOWN! UP THE DUBS!

I am a very very PROUD Dubliner. :mad:

Anyone who calls Dublin a kip can FIGHT ME! :mad:

POINT NO 2 ISRAEL

The elders party in the streets with people! Its very liberal.

Its not Europe its balagan! That is probably part of its charm.

So many different cultures etc. Arab Jews Ashkenazim sephardim Ethopian Jews(beta Israel) etc.

I think both Palestinians and Israelis are wonderful people and when peace happens its going to be paradise.

WHO IS THIS UP HIS ARSE ISRAELI JUDGING MY CITY???? HE CAN FIGHT ME!:mad:

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 11:22am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I do. Itll have no impact on my family (at least the ones I care about) and the country will be better. Win win.

Drive through clondalkin village for instance. Youll see people just dropping their rubbish as they walk. Not giving a ****. The mill centre carpark is disgusting with people going through the McDonalds drive through and then just dumping the rubbish out the window. These people are of no benefit to society.

Banishing them to leitrim could work too.

Media and political left want a " right to housing" amendment in the constitution, the drive right now is for more stuff for those folks

Anyone know a western country which doesn't pander to those who stick the middle finger up to the tax payer?, I know we are top of the dopey Liberal league table but how does the UK compare or Germany?

endacl · 07-05-2019 11:55am

SmartinMartin wrote: »

So you think is ok to kill people who behave antisocially?

Deebles McBeebles · 07-05-2019 11:55am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Neither is a bit of litter and a few teenagers smoking weed. Chill, man

It is a small thing but shows a lack of manners and class. Certainly something is lacking with the parenting too. The weed, whatever but little sh*ts should be picking up after themselves.

07-05-2019 11:56am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Media and political left want a " right to housing" amendment in the constitution, the drive right now is for more stuff for those folks

Anyone know a western country which doesn't pander to those who stick the middle finger up to the tax payer?, I know we are top of the dopey Liberal league table but how does the UK compare or Germany?

we are one of the most economically and social conservative countries in Europe. We may even be the most conservative, post Brexit.

Even other Catholic countries like Poland and Spain have traditionally been far more liberal.

lawred2 · 07-05-2019 12:06pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

we are one of the most economically and social conservative countries in Europe. We may even be the most conservative, post Brexit.

Even other Catholic countries like Poland and Spain have traditionally been far more liberal.

yeah well that's not really true

we have some legacy issues that need to be unwound but the Ireland of today is not one of the most economically and socially conservative countries in Europe

partyguinness · 07-05-2019 12:07pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

we are one of the most economically and social conservative countries in Europe. We may even be the most conservative, post Brexit.

Even other Catholic countries like Poland and Spain have traditionally been far more liberal.

The telephone is for you.

It is Ireland 1982 on the phone and they want you back.

Ush1 · 07-05-2019 12:27pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

we are one of the most economically and social conservative countries in Europe. We may even be the most conservative, post Brexit.

Even other Catholic countries like Poland and Spain have traditionally been far more liberal.

Of course, it's not like we have a gay Indian leader or anything.

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 12:42pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

we are one of the most economically and social conservative countries in Europe. We may even be the most conservative, post Brexit.

Even other Catholic countries like Poland and Spain have traditionally been far more liberal.

The delusion is strong in this one

partyguinness · 07-05-2019 12:47pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

we are one of the most economically and social conservative countries in Europe. We may even be the most conservative, post Brexit.

Even other Catholic countries like Poland and Spain have traditionally been far more liberal.

Yeah it's not like Poland or Spain have ever had issues with communist or fascist dictatorships.

Mate, if you think Ireland is more traditional Catholicwise than Spain, Poland and I'll even throw in Portugal and Italy then you have no idea what you are taking about.

completedit · 07-05-2019 12:48pm

Dublin is like Vancouver(although Dublin city is a lot nicer) but they're both good cities because of their nature. Dublin isn't a spectacular looking city overall(although there are lovely parts) but it's a pretty good city. It could do with being bit more centralised though to keep it a bit more buzzing.

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 12:50pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Yeah it's not like Poland or Spain have ever had issues with communist or fascist dictatorships.

Mate, if you think Ireland is more traditional Catholicwise than Spain, Poland and I'll even throw in Portugal and Italy then you have no idea what you are taking about.

It does not matter what religion we used to be, its about the culture, Conservative values are viewed as undesirable in this country and personal responsibility is a Conservative value

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 12:53pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Yeah it's not like Poland or Spain have ever had issues with communist or fascist dictatorships.

Mate, if you think Ireland is more traditional Catholicwise than Spain, Poland and I'll even throw in Portugal and Italy then you have no idea what you are taking about.

Poles certainly have little time for knacker ( as in skanger) or traveller culture, ever talk to a pole about travellers, they despise them

KikiLaRue · 07-05-2019 12:55pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Poles certainly have little time for knacker or traveller culture, ever talk to a pole about travellers, they despise them

I'd say you are absolutely mad craic at parties.

Ush1 · 07-05-2019 12:55pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Yeah it's not like Poland or Spain have ever had issues with communist or fascist dictatorships.

Mate, if you think Ireland is more traditional Catholicwise than Spain, Poland and I'll even throw in Portugal and Italy then you have no idea what you are taking about.

Not to mention conservative policing.

Mess around down on the Costa and you won't be long getting a nice tap to the back of the legs from the local policia. They couldn't give a sh*te if you film them either.

07-05-2019 1:00pm

Ush1 wrote: »

Of course, it's not like we have a gay Indian leader or anything.

Our Taoiseach is not Indian. He is from Ireland.

We were the last country in Europe to legalise mainstream access to abortion. We are perhaps the only country in Europe that still charges women for the contraceptive pill. Our divorce laws remain firmly Conservative.

Our economic model is decidedly Anglo Saxon, having never truly embraced continental social democracy. In a similar vein, we favour low taxation unlike most other EU states, and despite much domestic whimpering, are considered by the OECD to have a low-tax, low-welfare system of governance. We are socially and economically conservative relative to our neighbours.

People think that because they voted for Repeal and gay marriage the country has magically transformed itself. In fact, as Britain prepares to leave the EU, we are set to replace it as possibly the most conservative EU member state.

nullzero · 07-05-2019 1:06pm

SmartinMartin wrote: »

So you think is ok to kill people who behave antisocially?

Only of they're Palestinians it would seem.

ILoveYourVibes · 07-05-2019 1:07pm

nullzero wrote: »

Only of they're Palestinians it would seem.

No thinks this. No one here and no one in Israel.

KikiLaRue · 07-05-2019 1:08pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

People think that because they voted for Repeal and gay marriage the country has magically transformed itself. In fact, as Britain prepares to leave the EU, we are set to replace it as possibly the most conservative EU member state.

On what basis are you saying this?

We were the first country to bring in gay marriage by referendum, repeal was a landslide and our divorce laws are likely to be reformed this month.

Our taxes are actually quite progressive... people on minimum wage pay very little, people who earn a lot pay a lot. And we have a significant safety net in the form of our welfare system, look after pensioners handsomely. This is all left-wing stuff.

We have no particularly conservative political parties, no right wing, and no alt right (not counting renua etc because they don't really count).

07-05-2019 1:12pm

KikiLaRue wrote: »

On what basis are you saying this?

We were the first country to bring in gay marriage by referendum, repeal was a landslide and our divorce laws are likely to be reformed this month.

I love that we did this, and I hope it means further progress, but for the love of Jaysis can we stop pretending it makes us any better than our neighbours?

We did it because we are the only European country which had no choice in the matter. None of them created a constitutional ban to begin with, or if they did, were able to change it without a plebiscite.

We had to have a plebiscite because we are pretty unique in legally requiring one. And by té way, having a vote on whether other citizens deserve basic human dignity is no great achievement. Tyranny of the majority, and all of that.

After the celebrations ended, I know people who were seething about the fact that others were voting on their civil rights. It was a bittersweet victory at best.

KikiLaRue · 07-05-2019 1:14pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I love that we did this, and I hope it means further progress, but for the love of Jaysis can we stop pretending it makes us any better than our neighbours?

We did it because we are the only European country which had no choice in the matter. None of them created a constitutional ban to begin with, or if they did, were able to change it without a plebiscite.

We had to have a plebiscite because we are pretty unique in legally requiring one. And by té way, having a vote on whether other citizens deserve basic human dignity is no great achievement. Tyranny of the majority, and all of that.

After the celebrations ended, I know people who were seething about the fact that others were voting on their civil rights. It was a bittersweet victory at best.

I take your point. I still don't understand on what basis you're saying Ireland is currently more conservative than say Italy or France.

Ush1 · 07-05-2019 1:17pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Our Taoiseach is not Indian. He is from Ireland.

We were the last country in Europe to legalise mainstream access to abortion. We are perhaps the only country in Europe that still charges women for the contraceptive pill. Our divorce laws remain firmly Conservative.

Our economic model is decidedly Anglo Saxon, having never truly embraced continental social democracy. In a similar vein, we favour low taxation unlike most other EU states, and despite much domestic whimpering, are considered by the OECD to have a low-tax, low-welfare system of governance. We are socially and economically conservative relative to our neighbours.

People think that because they voted for Repeal and gay marriage the country has magically transformed itself. In fact, as Britain prepares to leave the EU, we are set to replace it as possibly the most conservative EU member state.

Saw that one a mile off. Course, he's as Irish as bacon and cabbage is Mr.Varadkar.

One of the most generous welfare systems, very pro union and pro workers rights, very low sentencing and suspended sentences in general, no capital punishment, etc...

Divorce is currently being looked at in the next referendum, first country to approve gay marriage by popular vote, Catholic church is openly criticised (including by our leader)...

07-05-2019 1:18pm

KikiLaRue wrote: »

I take your point. I still don't understand on what basis you're saying Ireland is currently more conservative than say Italy or France.

Mainly on economic grounds.

After World War 2,as the iron curtain deseended in Europe, Western European democracies mainly embraced social democracy. Some in the East adapted communism, and they retain many of those relics today.

Only Ireland and Britain adhered rigidly to an Anglo Saxon model of governance (something of a misnomer, given that the Germans under Konrad Adenauer and his successors adapted economic policies that borrowed heavily from social democracy).

Now Britain is gone, we are probably the most economically liberal, and (legally at least, but probably not popularly) most socially conservative Anglo Saxon boy in the classroom

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 1:24pm

Ireland is a welfare lifers nirvana, even in the nordic countries, you don't get to indefinitely draw the same level of benefits

Even amongst the general population, a philosophy of state dependency prevails, big government attitudes rule

seasidedub · 07-05-2019 1:25pm

EL_Loco wrote: »

When was your first drink OP?
Were you under age?
If you saw the image of your former self while in the company of your tourist would he have been disgusted at the scene?

Do you support the gards as much as is within reason of a citizen who thinks it falls to them to stop littering and verbal abuse on the streets?

Note: (I'm not a gard)

Don't know about the OP, but yes I was underage having my first drink, but never hassled anyone, never damaged other people's property, gave abuse to passers by and never, ever threw litter as I was taught by my parents to never do that, ever.

Dublin is a kip of uncivilized inhabitants- been to many, many EU cities and the centres are lovely, flower filled, cafes everywhere clean streets. Dublin is awful.

seasidedub · 07-05-2019 1:31pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Ireland is a welfare lifers nirvana, even in the nordic countries, you don't get to indefinitely draw the same level of benefits

Exactly! The lefties don't get this or believe it, but I lived, studied and worked in a scandi country and speak the language which Coppinger, Murphy et al do not/did not.

You go on unemployment which is related to prior earnings and paid by your union for a set period, then social security again related to earnings in part and paid for a set time, finally you go on "daily allowance " whic is about 350 to 400e a month. You can't get the same benefit forever. Ireland is a paradise for welfare, the Roma advertise us in their villages.

07-05-2019 1:34pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Ireland is a welfare lifers nirvana, even in the nordic countries, you don't get to indefinitely draw the same level of benefits

not sure about the Nordic countries, but I'm pretty sure their welfare benefits are significantly higher than ours. Don't they offer welfare as a proportion of your working salary, and then continue to offer it at out basic level subsequently?

I lived in France for two years, I had about three pensions on the go at one point all heavily funded by the French taxpayer. French welfare is, itself, legendary.

demanufactured · 07-05-2019 1:39pm

To answer the OP, yes.

El_Bee · 07-05-2019 1:51pm

Many of our neighbors can no longer be bothered to pay their bin charges so just throw their rubbish out onto the street, if we weren't propped up by Multinationals and the EU we'd be a third world country.

Mad_maxx · 07-05-2019 2:05pm

seasidedub wrote: »

Exactly! The lefties don't get this or believe it, but I lived, studied and worked in a scandi country and speak the language which Coppinger, Murphy et al do not/did not.

You go on unemployment which is related to prior earnings and paid by your union for a set period, then social security again related to earnings in part and paid for a set time, finally you go on "daily allowance " whic is about 350 to 400e a month. You can't get the same benefit forever. Ireland is a paradise for welfare, the Roma advertise us in their villages.

The nordics are deeply conformist, there is no delinquency culture there comparable to Ireland, swedes support big government most certainly but expect everyone to be civic minded

The left in Ireland demand certain groups be given sacred cow status where nothing is expected of them including basic common decency

Fecklessness is excused provided you are a traveller or come from a single parent family etc, bigotry of low expectations

Are we used to Dublin being a Kip?

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