ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

screamer · 15-02-2019 12:51am

FTA69 wrote: »

Yeah but you've not touched much on prosecution, you were on about monitoring her and leaving her off despite her explicit declarations that she has supported ISIS and sees nothing wrong with that.

If she comes home it needs to be to a cell.

She IS home, that’s what she chose to do, there’s where she chose to go, leave her there. Would she be whining to go back to the UK if the caliphate had worked out better? Bet your ass she wouldn’t

FTA69 · 15-02-2019 12:52am

katiek102010 wrote: »

The age of criminal responsibility in the UK is 10.

She should be brought back, baby put into care and locked up in a psychiatric unit.

She is clearly unwell, from watching the video, she was a child when she went and has been with those animals since. She was clearly groomed and brainwashed.

The reason I believe her child should be taken away and put into care is I would have concerns her family may have exposed her to some form of extremism

Her family are normal people by all accounts. Radicalisation doesn't necessarily come via the parents. Some of the most dangerous Islamist terrorists have been West Indians and children of Africans who were devout Christians.

Billy86 · 15-02-2019 1:01am

FTA69 wrote: »

So one of the three British teenagers who went to join ISIS at 15 has turned up at a refugee camp four years later and said she wants to return home. She is nine months pregnant with her third child, the first two supposedly dying of malnutrition, and wants to return to London in order to access the NHS.

Initially I sympathised with these girls, thinking they’d been groomed online and brainwashed and had made a terrible mistake but listening to the interview with the woman here - it’s chilling. She’s now a 19 year old woman, saying she regrets nothing, how severed heads in the bin unfazed her as “they were enemies of Islam” and how she “saluted” those remaining in the last bit of ISIS territory.

Well there you go, don't let her back. She made the choice, she has stuck with it whole heartedly, and there is no question that the United Kingdom is better off not having her there. It's an individual case, and she has properly f***ed herself here, so tough.

I think saw the UK have decided to tell her no earlier on (before I had seen this thread, so didn't pay it much attention), and frankly good on them for it

Mutant z · 15-02-2019 1:03am

She made her made see must lie in it absolute zero sympathy for these sort of scum she must rot.

Billy86 · 15-02-2019 1:07am

FTA69 wrote: »

For rehabilitation there has to be contrition. She hasn't shown an ounce of it, and to me comes across as a dangerous and radicalised person with no regrets.

I've come across 19 year old far-right activists who are prepared for violence, should we put an arm around them too and offer our sympathies?

That is exactly what I thought of when reading your original post by the way, they're two sides of the same coin (far right terrorists and Islamic terrorists) and any civil nation is better off without either.

It's not a matter of banning all Muslims or banning all conservative minded people, it's a matter of individuals - and this looks like a real sh*tty, dangerous one. Were this a far right terrorist, it would be interesting to see how opinions of many posters (on either side) would be different within this thread.

moby2101 · 15-02-2019 1:07am

Let her rot

alchemist33 · 15-02-2019 1:11am

Her age at the time and her reasons for going are irrelevant. She's now an adult ISIS member who's an active enemy of the UK and being pregnant doesn't matter either. She should be left where she is (although I suspect that legally they might have to revoke citizenship to do that)

Mutant z · 15-02-2019 1:18am

If there was ever a reason for managing our borders this is surely it there's far too many people with her mindset in Europe for my liking they shouldn't be owed a thing throw the lot of them out.

Snake Plisken · 15-02-2019 1:27am

Bring back hanging.

15-02-2019 1:30am

The age she left at doesn't matter. She's an adult piece of shlt and should be treated as such.

Junkyard Tom · 15-02-2019 1:40am

She should be forced to dress up as a Pirate for 5 years.

bigroad · 15-02-2019 1:55am

She is the Antichrist.

15-02-2019 2:30am

A Boris Johnson wet dream, nothing will shut down UK borders with EU countries faster than their own weak security. The "official" reason why Russians have never been granted visa free access to the EU for example is because the EU says its not satisfied with Russia's borders with the central Asian Muslim "Stans".

If the UK has the same leaky border policy with Syria and open IS jihadis then the faster they get their No Deal BreXit the better. A suicide vest does the same damage if worn by a 15 year old than it does by a 45 year old after all

end of the road · 15-02-2019 3:06am

it's very simple as far as i'm concerned.

she was born in britain as i understand therefore she is britain's problem and responsibility and they shouldn't even be able to be in a position to discuss whether she comes back. if they refuse her admission followed by lockeing her up and she goes to another country and commits a terrorist act then britain should be forced to pay at least a billion pounds compensation per person injured or killed.
britain needs to start taking responsibility for it's citizens who go abroad to join dangerous nutters, instead of expecting the rest of the world to clean up the mess after it and to be put at greater risk. she is not the kurds or anyone else's problem.

suicide_circus · 15-02-2019 3:16am

end of the road wrote: »

and she goes to another country and commits a terrorist act then britain should be forced to pay at least a billion pounds compensation per person injured or killed.

what formula did you apply to come out with that figure?

4068ac1elhodqr · 15-02-2019 3:18am

Deleted User wrote: »

A Boris Johnson wet dream, nothing will shut down UK borders with EU countries faster than their own weak security. The "official" reason why Russians have never been granted visa free access to the EU for example is because the EU says its not satisfied with Russia's borders with the central Asian Muslim "Stans".

Perhaps, but worth noting also that both France, Denmark and Sweden have all extended border checks (even though they're 'border free' Schengen areas), citing it's due to a mix of weak external EU borders and on-going risks to national security.

The UK have had over 100 Iranians plucked from the sea last month (only 10 so far have been returned), these lads availed of a weak (EU) border and visa aceess way over in Macedonia or somewhere, and fancied a look around blighty.

Mehapoy · 15-02-2019 3:22am

smeal wrote: »

I’m not sure if anyone here watched the BBC series The State last year (highly recommend) but this reminds me of that.

She should be allowed come back to have her baby (perhaps even in a prison) but then the baby should remain with her family who seem to be anti-ISIS and she should then be sent back out to that desert hell. She is a danger to her country.

And then the kid when it gets to 15/16 and learns about mommy and daddy can follow in their footsteps? Maybe take out a few infidels before they go...

4068ac1elhodqr · 15-02-2019 3:25am

dilallio wrote: »

What sort of life did these three 15 year old girls have in London, to believe that moving to a war zone ...

To be fair the UK, London in paticular is experiencing the worst fatal stablling rate since records began back in 1946 (just after the bayonets season of WW2). Then there's the acid rain, moped gangs and the very terrible music craze of dill, will, drill? or somethink'.

end of the road · 15-02-2019 3:26am

smeal wrote: »

I’m not sure if anyone here watched the BBC series The State last year (highly recommend) but this reminds me of that.

She should be allowed come back to have her baby (perhaps even in a prison) but then the baby should remain with her family who seem to be anti-ISIS and she should then be sent back out to that desert hell. She is a danger to her country.

no, she's a danger full stop. the only place she should be is in a british prison where she belongs.

Gatling wrote: »

She should be made completely stateless ,let the Kurds deal with her or shoot her in back of the head,
Her and the many others like her are not Victims here ,

it's not the kurds job or duty to deal with her or other non-syrian nationals. quite rightly making her and others like her stateless will not be happening as it's a breach of international law and rightly so. anyone who would want such to happen should ask themselves as to what should happen if they got their way or elsewhere and one of those people got in here and committed a terrorist act?

malinheader wrote: »

British citizens my bo--ocks. That was given up the day she left to join ISIS.

it wasn't. she still remains a british citizen.

screamer wrote: »

A noble thought, but that child will be told the bad western anti Islamic country took your mother away, as a good little Islamic jihadi kid, you must seek vengeance..... we know it’s true, it matters not what they are given, belief trumps all else. Leave her and her baby where they are.

well we know nothing of the sort it seems. her family were apparently average and were not involved in radicalism or extremism in any form.

screamer wrote: »

She IS home, that’s what she chose to do, there’s where she chose to go, leave her there. Would she be whining to go back to the UK if the caliphate had worked out better? Bet your ass she wouldn’t

she is not at home. she's not a syrian citizen and is a foreign national.

screamer · 15-02-2019 3:27am

Who is to say what she did over there....she could have done awful things to people, but as usual it’s the ah poor her, she was under 18, now she’s knocked up, bring her “home”. I don’t care. She’s an unknown quantity, and should not be allowed back.

Collie D · 15-02-2019 3:33am

screamer wrote: »

Who is to say what she did over there....she could have done awful things to people, but as usual it’s the ah poor her, she was under 18, bow she’s knocked up. I don’t care. She’s an unknown quantity, and should not be allowed back.

And I’m sure the Kurds don’t want her. She’s a British citizen and therefore they have to take some responsibility for her. If she were a Syrian citizen in Europe the same should apply. Serve time in country of crime and then deport to point of origin to serve time there. She shouldn’t be solely the problem of the Kurds.

Does the UK have a law against travelling to join ISIS? I know some countries do but not sure which ones. If not I hope they can throw a treason charge at her or something.

4068ac1elhodqr · 15-02-2019 3:39am

The UK have already taken back 450 'warriors?' (according to tabloids) mentions that estimates are 900 went over.

The cost of 'NHS Toursim' is only around £2bn per annum, ahh peanuts.
- when the HS2 Rail project is already raking up costs of £60bn.
They sure must have loadsamoney to burn, what with the brexit and all that.

Vincent Vega · 15-02-2019 3:40am

Should be repatriated but then put on trial under Terrorism Act.
A nice suspended sentence should scare the wits out of her.

end of the road · 15-02-2019 4:08am

screamer wrote: »

Who is to say what she did over there....she could have done awful things to people, but as usual it’s the ah poor her, she was under 18, now she’s knocked up, bring her “home”. I don’t care. She’s an unknown quantity, and should not be allowed back.

i don't think anyone on this thread has said poor her and quite rightly so.
she is very much a known quantity, an extremist. an extremist who is quite likely a threat across the board and who needs to be thrown out of syria back to britain and into jail.

if you believe she shouldn't be allowed back to the country who she is the problem and responsibility of, then what's your alternative? it must be a realistic one that doesn't involve expecting someone else to clean up the mess.
realistically the only other alternative i can see is that she remains to be a problem of and a risk to syria or another country and i don't see why that should be the case just because ultimately, britain doesn't want to deal with it's problems.

BeerWolf · 15-02-2019 8:02am

To hell with her. She had no qualms being with vile scum that relished on killing people.

Let the bitch rot.

take everything · 15-02-2019 8:25am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

She should be forced to dress up as a Pirate for 5 years.

Dunno why exactly but this made me laugh out loud.

There should be more sentences like this

Atoms for Peace · 15-02-2019 8:36am

A life sentence to be served in South Georgia could be a compromise solution for returning jihadis.

Fann Linn · 15-02-2019 8:39am

Put her and her baby in a nice hotel in Roosky. Bless them.

robarmstrong · 15-02-2019 8:44am

No thank you, terrorist lady, not today.

Or any other day in fact.

malinheader · 15-02-2019 8:46am

Fann Linn wrote: »

Put her and her baby in a nice hotel in Roosky. Bless them.

Need to ask the local community first.

Oh wait. Sorry we don't.

Lucy8080 · 15-02-2019 8:47am

Ask her some questions

Did you feel yourself to be a member of "Islamic State " and did you comply with all it's laws and dictates?

What has changed?

CrankyHaus · 15-02-2019 8:51am

She already is home, in IS where she decided to move to.
She can stay there

Giveaway · 15-02-2019 8:57am

FTA69 wrote: »

Her family are normal people by all accounts. Radicalisation doesn't necessarily come via the parents. Some of the most dangerous Islamist terrorists have been West Indians and children of Africans who were devout Christians.

The apple doesnt fall far from the tree. Her father has been photographed at extremist protests and hanging out with known islamists

circadian · 15-02-2019 9:00am

Giveaway wrote: »

The apple doesnt fall far from the tree. Her father has been photographed at extremist protests and hanging out with known islamists

Is that after she left? Possibly moving in these circles to try and find his daughter. I know I would even though I despise everything they do.

Giveaway · 15-02-2019 9:05am

circadian wrote: »

Is that after she left? Possibly moving in these circles to try and find his daughter. I know I would even though I despise everything they do.

Long before she left. Scroll down

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6704819/amp/Father-ISIS-bride-says-pregnant-jihadi-19-poses-no-threat.html

Call me Al · 15-02-2019 9:14am

Is it her father who was photographed demonstrating with others who were burning a flag outside the Saudi embassy? I watched a documentary about these girls running away and this father was in complete denial about his own behaviour saying he didn't know where she had been radicalised, until he was shown the pictures.

She's a GB citizen by birth so i can't see how she can be refused entry back in to the UK. Unless she's revoked this and taken on citizenship of somewhere else. But the UK authorities will take the sweet time retrieving her.

cursai · 15-02-2019 9:35am

Would the parents not have to agree to her travelling on an underage passport?

Off to Syria for a mad sess with the girlies!

Giveaway · 15-02-2019 9:36am

Call me Al wrote: »

Is it her father who was photographed demonstrating with others who were burning a flag outside the Saudi embassy? I watched a documentary about these girls running away and this father was in complete denial about his own behaviour saying he didn't know where she had been radicalised, until he was shown the pictures.

She's a GB citizen by birth so i can't see how she can be refused entry back in to the UK. Unless she's revoked this and taken on citizenship of somewhere else. But the UK authorities will take the sweet time retrieving her.

Normal teenage rebellion maybe. But when you are upping the ante in teenage rebellion in an Islamist family, ISIS is the next step.

Giveaway · 15-02-2019 9:38am

I suspect contempt for non-believers is the default position in the community/family this girl came from

Giveaway · 15-02-2019 9:40am

Call me Al wrote: »

Is it her father who was photographed demonstrating with others who were burning a flag outside the Saudi embassy? I watched a documentary about these girls running away and this father was in complete denial about his own behaviour saying he didn't know where she had been radicalised, until he was shown the pictures.

She's a GB citizen by birth so i can't see how she can be refused entry back in to the UK. Unless she's revoked this and taken on citizenship of somewhere else. But the UK authorities will take the sweet time retrieving her.

A gov minister has stated she is a British citizen and has rights, but the british will be offering her no assistance

inforfun · 15-02-2019 9:41am

Apparently she was married to a Dutch convert over there who went on to meet his virgins.
She might want to take her chances with The Netherlands as they have welcomed back a few of those ***** already.

malinheader · 15-02-2019 9:41am

I think the father and whoever else in the family wants to see his daughter should be accommodated by the UK government.

Send them all over to meet her and confiscate passports so they can't return.

FrancieBrady · 15-02-2019 9:42am

FTA69 wrote: »

Yeah but you've not touched much on prosecution, you were on about monitoring her and leaving her off despite her explicit declarations that she has supported ISIS and sees nothing wrong with that.

If she comes home it needs to be to a cell.

The UK is a democracy, I do not know if she has broken the law. I do know who ever radicalised her and took advantage of a 15 yr old, did break the law. It is clearly abuse to me.
Now as an adult she needs to be assessed with that in mind. She needs to be helped if it is needed and monitored if she is still a threat.

malinheader · 15-02-2019 9:47am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The UK is a democracy, I do not know if she has broken the law. I do know who ever radicalised her and took advantage of a 15 yr old, did break the law. It is clearly abuse to me.
Now as an adult she needs to be assessed with that in mind. She needs to be helped if it is needed and monitored if she is still a threat.

Only abuse here would be to the citizens the uk by letting her back in.

FrancieBrady · 15-02-2019 9:51am

malinheader wrote: »

Only abuse here would be to the citizens the uk by letting her back in.

If she commits a crime against the UK, fair enough, she should be jailed and even if she is jailed, she is being jailed by a so called humane society, (a society above that of ISIS allegedly) and should receive help for what happened to her.
Stoning her as she gets off a plane or boat is not really an answer.

Guy:Incognito · 15-02-2019 9:53am

What's sinead o'connor's view on all this?

valoren · 15-02-2019 9:57am

The Girl who cried Wolf.
She had one child and the baby died of malnutrition.
There's her first clue.
She had a second child and the baby....shock....died of malnutrition.
There's another clue.
She is now having a third child and...dagnamit....some common sense finally kicks in.
It finally clicks that the child will also die of malnutrition.
And now she want's to come back.
The moral imperative and dilemma is the safety of the child.
She's not a child anymore. She's an adult, a manipulative individual, believing that exploiting the dire prospects of her unborn child will allow her to weasel her way back to civilization.

So, let her back with one condition.
Give up the child, let it have a chance to live, give as much intelligence as you can and you'll be then sent back to your extremist buddies.
If you care about your child you'll accept that offer. The offer to save her child will thus be her decision. Take the offer and the child will live.

Don't, then the death of another of your children will be on your conscience and you can go **** yourself.

Sometimes an example has to be made of people particularly about the consequences down the line for those edging towards extremism.

malinheader · 15-02-2019 9:57am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If she commits a crime against the UK, fair enough, she should be jailed and even if she is jailed, she is being jailed by a so called humane society, (a society above that of ISIS allegedly) and should receive help for what happened to her.
Stoning her as she gets off a plane or boat is not really an answer.

I never mentioned using barbaric methods of killing which she is probably accustomed to.
But I'm pretty sure letting someone like this back in will at some point lead to another atrocity in the UK. Anyhow is it worth taking a chance. There is enough being monitored at this moment in time.

Hector Savage · 15-02-2019 10:03am

Disgusting, I'm sure all the usual mentally ill lefty loons on here will be wishing her return.
Her child will be murdering people on the streets of London in 20 years time.
It's an incompatible ideology with the west.

Wake the **** up.

I already see the jihadi defending scumbag Sadiq Khan wants her back in - but of course he does.
No doubt IRA terror supporter Jeremy Corbyn will be sending a plane for her too.

FrancieBrady · 15-02-2019 10:05am

malinheader wrote: »

I never mentioned using barbaric methods of killing which she is probably accustomed to.
But I'm pretty sure letting someone like this back in will at some point lead to another atrocity in the UK. Anyhow is it worth taking a chance. There is enough being monitored at this moment in time.

She is a citizen of the UK, she is ultimately the responsibility of the UK.

You may think you are 'sure', but you aren't really.
Like other countries with a history of colonisation, expansionism and as the military dogsbody of a greater power the UK has centuries of experience dealing with those who have killed abroad. It also has centuries of experience dealing with those who are a threat to them because of their activity abroad.

If the redtop newspapers stayed out of this, with their usual outrage, I would be sure state institutions can handle this one way or another.

ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

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