ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

dilallio wrote: »

What sort of life did these three 15 year old girls have in London, to believe that moving to a war zone and marrying soldiers they had never met would bring fulfillment?

She had a privileged and sheltered upbringing. The girls probably saw gong to Syria as some sort of romanticised adventure. Chilling that after four years and two children lost to malnutrition, she hasn't learned anything and doesn't regret it. She wants to come back to Britain now because her husband got captured. If things had gone differently for ISIS, she would happily stay there.

I listened to the interview earlier - there wasn’t a shred of regret or remorse in her tone or her words.

After all the wickedness and brutality that IS have meted out to people across the Middle East and the wider world, you would expect any person with a modicum of human decency would be desperately, desperately apologetic for their awful choices and their hideous acts.

There wasn’t even a hint of that. There was a nonchalance and an arrogance about her. She was incredibly matter of fact about why she wants to come back. The caliphate is done and her kid will have a better chance in the West.

She’s clearly still a total believer in the IS cause. If she comes back, she will be a lifelong problem for the police and intelligence services and the public will be significantly less safe because she’s a fully fledged Islamist maniac and there’s no doubt in my mind that she would, if allowed to do so, immediately attempt to radicalise and recruit other British Muslims to the cause.

Under international law, sadly if she rocks up at the British border one day we won’t have a choice but to let her in, yet the trouble I have with her returning to the U.K. is that she would likely spend closer to 24 months than 24 years in prison.
The courts are demonstrably useless in dealing with returning islamists; sentences have been pitiful.

In a few years time there will be hundreds of these hideous, murderous individuals back on the streets after a couple of years inside. Still radical, still motivated. It’s a scary prospect.

FTA69 wrote: »

So one of the three British teenagers who went to join ISIS at 15 has turned up at a refugee camp four years later and said she wants to return home. She is nine months pregnant with her third child, the first two supposedly dying of malnutrition, and wants to return to London in order to access the NHS.

Initially I sympathised with these girls, thinking they’d been groomed online and brainwashed and had made a terrible mistake but listening to the interview with the woman here - it’s chilling. She’s now a 19 year old woman, saying she regrets nothing, how severed heads in the bin unfazed her as “they were enemies of Islam” and how she “saluted” those remaining in the last bit of ISIS territory.

Well there you go, don't let her back. She made the choice, she has stuck with it whole heartedly, and there is no question that the United Kingdom is better off not having her there. It's an individual case, and she has properly f***ed herself here, so tough.

I think saw the UK have decided to tell her no earlier on (before I had seen this thread, so didn't pay it much attention), and frankly good on them for it

FTA69 wrote: »

For rehabilitation there has to be contrition. She hasn't shown an ounce of it, and to me comes across as a dangerous and radicalised person with no regrets.

I've come across 19 year old far-right activists who are prepared for violence, should we put an arm around them too and offer our sympathies?

That is exactly what I thought of when reading your original post by the way, they're two sides of the same coin (far right terrorists and Islamic terrorists) and any civil nation is better off without either.

It's not a matter of banning all Muslims or banning all conservative minded people, it's a matter of individuals - and this looks like a real sh*tty, dangerous one. Were this a far right terrorist, it would be interesting to see how opinions of many posters (on either side) would be different within this thread.