Claire Byrne show. Her name was Clodagh

Calltocall wrote: »

Very strange, so let’s say what the school is saying is true then why was he contacting INTO, whatever his worries were it was related to his role as a teacher, the family have said he had conflict with a colleague, into have said they will not disclose their dealings with Hawe, a tribunal would compel INTO to hand over the nature of their discussions with Hawe, the family deserve to know, even if the information is kept from the public the family absolutely deserve to know why he contacted INTO, they should push for an inquest/tribunal, they are obviously being kept in the dark here, possibly the trigger as to why hawe went on his rampage is being kept under wraps and they are denied that information, that is not acceptable.

He being a teacher though, say he was caught somewhere else, it would still impact on his job so he would still be likely ringing the INTO. The whole thing is very strange because if he was caught red handed somewhere else, in a small community, that would be impossible to keep under wraps and even after his death nothing has come out from anyone but himself.

Mrsmum wrote: »

He being a teacher though, say he was caught somewhere else, it would still impact on his job so he would still be likely ringing the INTO. The whole thing is very strange because if he was caught red handed somewhere else, in a small community, that would be impossible to keep under wraps and even after his death nothing has come out from anyone but himself.

Stepping back from everything, there’s something not adding up here, number 1. The school appear to have completely removed themselves from being connected in any way to Hawes crime through their statement however the family have said Hawe had a dispute with a colleague (I presume a colleague at school) Hawe also contacted INTO so are we to believe that Hawes dispute with this colleague escaped the attention of the schools management, I would say highly unlikely Unless the other possibility to consider is that none of this actually happened and that Hawe was completely insane and this problem with a colleague/being caught red handed incident only actually existed in his mind and didn’t actually happen in reality, it’s unlikely but some people with severe mental illness can be convinced something happened/was going to happen but the reality is it is a fabrication of their mind. The movie the Machinist touches on this concept.

Close ranks, nothing to see here, no lawsuits, no negligence, nothing.

Whew.

why do they say 'during the school day' twice?

strandroad wrote: »

The Coll family say that there was evidence of him doing most of his porn watching on a school laptop, which was not kept at home. Seems to confirm the school connection in some form.

I guess what I’m getting at is in relation to the school laptop and other things that have been reported such as being caught red handed, will all come out etc doesnt a lot of that info come from hawes own hand as in what he wrote in his notes, there is another possibility albeit unlikely that in fact hawe fabricated/believed the world was going to cave in on him, he catastrophised minor incidents into massive life/death scenarios when in fact nobody else noticed and it was in fact the workings of an extremely disturbed mind,you will see similar behavior in paranoid schizophrenics who are convinced things happened when in fact they didn’t only in their imagination. I accept this is a reach but I’m trying to make sense of all of this and from taking a step back from the details I think it’s plausible, the fact he allegedly had a dispute with a colleague yet this person has never come forward, never spoke to press, no leaks, etc makes me question did this person even exist. Only way to get to the bottom of all this is to hold a tribunal/inquest and compel people/institutions to testify, the family deserve this

KikiLaRue wrote: »

It's possible that the school has it right, and the family has it wrong. Where are they getting their information? If it's a counsellor's notes, he wouldn't be the first person to lie to a counsellor about what was on his mind.

Clodagh had already talked to her mother about Hawes use of pornography. That he was attending counciling for that was also referred to.



The schools statement sounds rather defensive imo especially considering that the gardai already suspect he was using a private browser to view the material online...

PR job on behalf of the school?

KikiLaRue wrote: »

The school has been very clear that they weren't investigating and weren't aware of anything to investigate.

Trying to pin some of the blame for this on them is deeply unfair.

The man was obviously unhinged. I'm no fan of the Catholic Church, but this race to conclude that the parish priest is obviously covering something up with no evidence whatsoever is ridiculous.

Presume much? I made no mention of any 'parish priest' btw

Erm thers no 'pinning the blame' on anyone btw. What is being said is that they are making definitive statements about Alan Hawes behaviour despite a garda statement at the time of the inquest that they believed he had been using a private browser.

So yes the schools statements appears to be somewhat defensive and smacks of 'nothing to see here lads' imo. But there you go ...

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Of course they are defensive.They are essentially being accused of knowing this man was up to something and doing nothing.If he used a private browser on his phone, that probably can't be traced, but there has been a ton of speculation here that a colleague walked in on him and reported him, and that the stress of that caused the murders - we now know that wasn't the case and I don't blame the school in the slightest for wanting that cleared up.

Do you want to wind in the hyperbole there a bit?

They dont have to be defensive you know yeah?And no I made no mention whatsoever of

They are essentially being accused of knowing this man was up to something and doing nothing.

The point I made was that in line with the gardai statement they cannot categorically know what he was accessing - this has effectively been steamrolled over in the statement.

And you can use a private browser on a laptop. I believe his laptop was owned by the school. So yes the the school is relevant here. Hopefully the upcoming inquiry will iron some of that out.

The 'speculation' you refer to came from what was said in an interview with family members and not from 'tons' (sic)

I reckon though you are taking the whole school thing a bit personal there tbh. A bit of objectivity always helps.

KikiLaRue wrote: »

There are over 50 pages on this thread where many people have speculated about the school/ colleagues role. The speculation has gone well beyond what was said in the interview.

I think the school has every right to address that speculation. It's a small community - those other teachers and principal have a right to their good name.

You were replying to my post about what the Gardai had said about his online activity and for some unknown reason went off in a rant about what others might or might not be saying elsewhere.

Imo the school first and foremost has a responsibility to its pupils and to the wider community. Making a statement which glosses over what is known and has been highlighted by the garda is not helpful imo.

Which brings me to the next point.

If indeed the school were only informed about the issue of accessing porn etc months after the murder - is it that there was no forensic investigation of the schools computer hardware / system? If not - why?

KikiLaRue wrote: »

I replied to you, and then I addressed the thread more generally. Wind your neck in, it's not all about you.
What more can they do to address it? They weren't investigating him, he hadn't been reported anyone, and as far as the gardai know he wasn't accessing porn at school. What do you want from them?

If you are going to throw accusations about and harangue posters 'generally' then you need to look at your postings and attitude.

The fact is outside that 'statement' we know absolutly nothing. The Gardai have also detailed that they suspect he was using private browsing. Getting all prissy about a schools statement does nothing for the discussion either way.

KikiLaRue wrote: »

What more would you expect from the school at this point?

Did you read what I wrote in the first comment no?

KikiLaRue wrote: »

I have read all your posts from today. I will ask you a third time - what more do you think the school should do?
The only specific thing you've mentioned is a forensic examination of the hardrive which
a) may have already happened and
b) if it hasn't, would be a matter for the gardai, not the school

Christ on a bike. I dont care what the school should do and I dont care how many times you want to use a pointy stick. The point made was that in line with the gardai statement they cannot categorically know what he was accessing - this has effectively been steamrolled over in the statement.

And yes the serious case review announced earlier this week should hopefully determine if the schools hardware or system was properly investigated. And if not why ...

Edit: excluding the above It was reported that the laptop had been forensicly investigated by Gardai.

Clodaghs sister is reported as saying that

"computer forensics established that 97pc of the pornography he viewed was on a laptop at his work in Castlerahan school"

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/hawe-seen-driving-car-after-family-were-murdered-jacqueline-connollys-powerful-account-of-tragedy-37872187.html

On the face of it this seems to contradict the schools statement somewhat ...