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All Ireland Senior Hurling (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2019

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  • #4702
    digzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭digzy


    Would’ve loved to see what would’ve happened without the red card.
    Delighted to win that


  • #4703
    kala85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭kala85


    Sending off ruined the game. It allowed tipp the time to deliver quality ball to their forward line.

    Adrian mullen very poor. Didn't look well at all.


  • #4704
    washman3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    C__MC wrote: »
    Jesus tipp hammering kilkenny for the second time in four years

    A piss handy all Ireland
    Beating laois, wexford and the worst kilkenny team in a living memory


    And throw in the minnows of Cork,Clare,Waterford and Limerick too.;)


  • #4705
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,322 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Very proud Kilkenny man here.

    Ah I’m sure you are, only a bit of banter ;-)


  • #4706
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    I don't think it's very fruitful to make a deal out of the red card.

    It possibly had a lot more impact on the enjoyment of the game by neutrals than it did on the eventual result.

    Even if you were take another hypothetical - ie that CB should have been off already himself after 2+ possible yellow card incidents - it's very likely on the evidence of the semi-final, that Tipp could have still pulled off the win today.

    Better team won.

    I would prefer for us to draw a line under today ASAP and look forward.


  • #4707
    Hawkeye9212
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Hawkeye9212


    Opinion of the panel is that both Provincial championships will be competitive next year.


  • #4708
    big_drive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭big_drive


    I think Wexford missed a huge opportunity looking back at this championship


  • #4709
    BloodyBill
    Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    Pity Tipperary havent coached the lads to give an interview without using bad language. It didn't look well. Two separate incidents..embarrassing


  • #4710
    conor05
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭conor05


    Seadin wrote: »
    Shefflin cant hide his disappointment.

    Can understand it to an extent, probably hoping his own club man TJ would be passing through Ballyhale tomorrow with Liam McCarthy on bus.

    But he would have to tone down the bias a small bit


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  • #4711
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    Pity Tipperary havent coached the lads to give an interview without using bad language. It didn't look well. Two separate incidents..embarrassing

    :rolleyes:


  • #4712
    Seadin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭Seadin


    big_drive wrote: »
    I think Wexford missed a huge opportunity looking back at this championship

    They didnt they couldn't even beat Tipp with an extra man. Tipp had 3 goals disallowed as well that day. They were no where good enough and would have struggled to beat Kilkenny too in a final.


  • #4713
    Seadin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭Seadin


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    Pity Tipperary havent coached the lads to give an interview without using bad language. It didn't look well. Two separate incidents..embarrassing

    He was just after giving 70 mins of a hard effort in a final. RTE could give players a while until they get their breaths back again.


  • #4714
    big_drive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭big_drive


    conor05 wrote: »
    Can understand it to an extent, probably hoping his own club man TJ would be passing through Ballyhale tomorrow with Liam McCarthy on bus.

    But he would have to tone down the bias a small bit

    I don’t think a pundit from a competing county should be there live. It’s too raw and something silly could be said. Different later tonight when you’ve had time to reflect


  • #4715
    BloodyBill
    Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    Seadin wrote: »
    They didnt they couldn't even beat Tipp with an extra man. Tipp had 3 goals disallowed as wrll that day. They were no where good enough and would have struggled lwd to beat Kilkenny too in a final.

    Wexford arent a top 5 team. Kilkenny arent a top 3 team. The Leinster Championship is sub standard. Loads of heart and scrums .The only thing that gives Leinster teams a marked advantage is playing in Croke park so regularly. It's no exaggeration to say Joey Holden..Fogarty and a few more wouldn't make the panel on any Munster squad. Maybe Waterford..


  • #4716
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    conor05 wrote: »
    Can understand it to an extent, probably hoping his own club man TJ would be passing through Ballyhale tomorrow with Liam McCarthy on bus.

    But he would have to tone down the bias a small bit

    Far better analysis and better vibe from Loughnane, Cyril, Mulcahy.

    But no, RTE has to ape the soccerati in making punditry some kind of exercise in manspreading fashion show BS.

    Henry is far from the worst of the self-promoting, pseudo tendency there, but yes, he is a bit too close to it.


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  • #4717
    Chalk McHugh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Chalk McHugh


    Hard luck to the cats. Started strongly and could have been further in front after 20 minutes. Couple of decent goal chances spurned.

    Sending off was deserved and Tipp never looked back. Played some good stuff in second half. Backs were immense especially Kennedy and Heffernan.

    Over all a very sweet victory against the mighty cats. Epic decade of a brilliant rivalry ends in parity of 3 final wins apiece. Im over the moon.


  • #4718
    conor05
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭conor05


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    Wexford arent a top 5 team. Kilkenny arent a top 3 team. The Leinster Championship is sub standard. Loads of heart and scrums .The only thing that gives Leinster teams a marked advantage is playing in Croke park so regularly. It's no exaggeration to say Joey Holden..Fogarty and a few more wouldn't make the panel on any Munster squad. Maybe Waterford..

    I presume you’re talking about the present Kilkenny team?

    Kilkenny have hammered the shi*e out of enough Munster teams in the last 10-15 years than I care to remember


  • #4719
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭threeball


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    Pity Tipperary havent coached the lads to give an interview without using bad language. It didn't look well. Two separate incidents..embarrassing

    It's Tipp. I'm sure you've heard of effin Eddie


  • #4720
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Chalk McHugh wrote: »
    Hard luck to the cats. Started strongly and could have been further in front after 20 minutes. Couple of decent goal chances spurned.

    Sending off was deserved and Tipp never looked back. Played some good stuff in second half. Backs were immense especially Kennedy and Heffernan.

    Over all a very sweet victory against the mighty cats. Epic decade of a brilliant rivalry ends in parity of 3 final wins apiece. Im over the moon.

    Probably not a bad way for any of us to look at it.


  • #4721
    thelad95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    That defeat could knock my beloved Kilkenny back 5 years in their development. I have never ever seen a Kilkenny side so meekly surrender in Croke Park.

    Their seemed to be no plan B today which was very worrying. Raining ball after ball in on top of the best half back line in the country was utterly pointless


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  • #4722
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    The cork guy in the rte panel sounds exactly like Roy Keane.


  • #4723
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Congrats to tipp.may they enjoy the celebrations.
    Will Cody stay on I wonder


  • #4724
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »
    At least a team that plays the game honestly and doesn't stoop to helmet strap/contact lense cheating like Wexford or the Man City of hurling, Limerick, won the title

    Give it a rest


  • #4725
    Hawkeye9212
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Hawkeye9212


    thelad95 wrote: »
    That defeat could knock my beloved Kilkenny back 5 years in their development. I have never ever seen a Kilkenny side so meekly surrender in Croke Park.

    Their seemed to be no plan B today which was very worrying. Raining ball after ball in on top of the best half back line in the country was utterly pointless

    Hard to say. Leinster will be tough next year. I wouldn't be surprised if Galway, Wexford, and Dublin qualified for the All-Ireland series but it's too early to make predictions.


  • #4726
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »
    At least a team that plays the game honestly and doesn't stoop to helmet strap/contact lense cheating like Wexford or the Man City of hurling, Limerick, won the title

    It could be construed that you are bitter. Yes you are bitter. Not a good look


  • #4727
    thesultan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭thesultan


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    Seadin wrote: »
    They didnt they couldn't even beat Tipp with an extra man. Tipp had 3 goals disallowed as wrll that day. They were no where good enough and would have struggled lwd to beat Kilkenny too in a final.

    Wexford arent a top 5 team. Kilkenny arent a top 3 team. The Leinster Championship is sub standard. Loads of heart and scrums .The only thing that gives Leinster teams a marked advantage is playing in Croke park so regularly. It's no exaggeration to say Joey Holden..Fogarty and a few more wouldn't make the panel on any Munster squad. Maybe Waterford..
    Rubbish talk


  • #4728
    funnyname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭funnyname


    Chalk McHugh wrote: »
    Hard luck to the cats. Started strongly and could have been further in front after 20 minutes. Couple of decent goal chances spurned.

    Sending off was deserved and Tipp never looked back. Played some good stuff in second half. Backs were immense especially Kennedy and Heffernan.

    Over all a very sweet victory against the mighty cats. Epic decade of a brilliant rivalry ends in parity of 3 final wins apiece. Im over the moon.

    4 kk
    3 Tipp
    1 Clare Galway Limerick


  • #4729
    cj maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,587 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    The first 20 mins or so there looked to be only one winner. Kilkenny backs were getting everything then the red card . Also thought the first goal could have been saved easily enough. But in the second half tipp played a more effective game and deservedly won easily enough in the end. Rain didn't help


  • #4730
    kk.man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭kk.man


    cjmc wrote: »
    The first 20 mins or so there looked to be only one winner. Kilkenny backs were getting everything then the red card . Also thought the first goal could have been saved easily enough. But in the second half tipp played a more effective game and deservedly won easily enough in the end. Rain didn't help

    It's easy to play with all the bells and whistles when it's 15 v 14. I'm not saying it was not a red card but it was a huge factor in this final.


  • #4731
    letsseehere14
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭letsseehere14


    cjmc wrote: »
    The first 20 mins or so there looked to be only one winner. Kilkenny backs were getting everything then the red card . Also thought the first goal could have been saved easily enough. But in the second half tipp played a more effective game and deservedly won easily enough in the end. Rain didn't help

    Were tipp not a point up when the red card came and were denied a stone wall penalty too. By the time the red came tipp were on top. They'd weathered the Kilkenny 20 minute storm and took control.


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  • #4732
    Annabella1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭Annabella1


    It was a straight red if you apply the rules

    I don’t get this ‘it damaged the game as a spectacle’ talk


  • #4733
    Limpy
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Limpy


    No it's all settled who will get HOTY and the all stars?

    It wil be the softest all star for any player in a long time.


  • #4734
    digzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭digzy


    Annabella1 wrote: »
    It was a straight red if you apply the rules

    I don’t get this ‘it damaged the game as a spectacle’ talk

    It ruined the game but the rule is there and was implemented appropriately by the ref.

    Should the ref only apply the rules that suit the audience....


  • #4735
    cj maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,587 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    letsseehere14 wrote: »
    Were tipp not a point up when the red card came and were denied a stone wall penalty too. By the time the red came tipp were on top. They'd weathered the Kilkenny 20 minute storm and took control.

    A point up alright but whether at 15 v15 they would have gone to such a convincing win I don't know


  • #4736
    cj maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,587 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    letsseehere14 wrote: »
    Were tipp not a point up when the red card came and were denied a stone wall penalty too. By the time the red came tipp were on top. They'd weathered the Kilkenny 20 minute storm and took control.

    A point up alright but whether at 15 v15 they would have gone on to such a convincing win I don't know


  • #4737
    seligehgit
    Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Annabella1 wrote: »
    It was a straight red if you apply the rules

    I don’t get this ‘it damaged the game as a spectacle’ talk


    Why?

    It turned what appeared to a very competitive contest into the polar opposite.

    The cats made a great start in the first 20 minutes but did not make enough of that spell.

    Tipp reined them in a short spell but it was nip and tuck until the red card.Mere speculation that Tipp would have won the game irrespective of the red card although they did seem to have weathered that impressive initial onslaught by Kilkenny.


  • #4738
    tastyt
    Registered Users Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭tastyt


    As a tipp man, delighted , we were 13 points up in injury time but still went for a goal, if it was Galway or cork bubbles would have popped it over the bar but when you get a chance against Kilkenny, bury those ****ers because you know well they'd do it to you.

    Tipp have no fight, character, balls. Bull****.

    As a Kilkenny broadcaster said on newstalk this week , you can't beat tipp too often or by too much, well right back at you Kilkenny.

    Hon Tipp!!!


  • #4739
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭threeball


    cjmc wrote: »
    The first 20 mins or so there looked to be only one winner. Kilkenny backs were getting everything then the red card . Also thought the first goal could have been saved easily enough. But in the second half tipp played a more effective game and deservedly won easily enough in the end. Rain didn't help

    This is even remotely correct. Tipp had already come from 5 down to be a point in front when the red card was given. Kk were already in trouble. Tipp also should have had a penalty for the round the neck challenge on Callinan. The red card just exacerbated a problem that was already well under way for KK. The tipp back six were getting on top and their forwards starting to find space. Having Hogan they'd still have been beaten but only by a couple of points less.


  • #4740
    ClanofLams
    Registered Users Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Limpy wrote: »
    No it's all settled who will get HOTY and the all stars?

    It wil be the softest all star for any player in a long time.

    Callanan HOTY

    Couple of Wexford lads Chin and O’Keefe

    Couple of Limerick lads Gillane and Sean Finn

    Pat Horgan

    Maybe 4 kk? Lawlor Parraig Walsh TJ Colin Fennelly

    Six Tipp Brian Hogan, Ronan Maher, Brendan Maher, Noel McGrath, John O’Dwyer, Callanan

    All stars off top of my head so probably missing someone obvious or have one from one line too many


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  • #4741
    Seadin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Hogan or no Hogan. Kilkenny were completely destroyed. They had no answers.


  • #4742
    Cypher_sounds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,159 ✭✭✭Cypher_sounds


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Since when ?

    'I hate Kilkenny...'

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91662346&postcount=364

    Only seeing this now as I went out for dinner just after the second half started.
    Jeez the middle of an all Ireland hurling final you delve deep into my post history from 5 years ago. :pac: Quite sad really. Did you actually have nothing better to do?

    Looking back on that post I was actually defending a Kilkenny player there which shows my unbiased.

    To answer your question since about 2 to 3 years ago.


  • #4743
    big_drive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭big_drive


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Callanan HOTY

    Couple of Wexford lads Chin and O’Keefe

    Couple of Limerick lads Gillane and Sean Finn

    Pat Horgan

    Maybe 4 kk? Lawlor Parraig Walsh TJ Colin Fennelly

    Six Tipp Brian Hogan, Ronan Maher, Brendan Maher, Noel McGrath, John O’Dwyer, Callanan

    All stars off top of my head so probably missing someone obvious or have one from one line too many

    Agree with most of those except goalie. I’d say it will be Rowland from Laois. I’d have Quaid, Murphy, fanning all ahead of hogan


  • #4744
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    What happened to RTEs rule of not having pundits who are from the counties that are playing??

    Shefflin was completely biased and bitter. The rules of hurling are the rules of the game whether it's a dead rubber league game or the final of the all ireland. You can't just change the rules because it might make the game a better spectacle for neutrals or because the game might be ruined with a red card.

    But I knew when the red card happened that Shefflin was never in a million years going to go against his buddies and say it was a deserved red.


  • #4745
    RMAOK
    Registered Users Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭RMAOK


    big_drive wrote: »
    Agree with most of those except goalie. I’d say it will be Rowland from Laois. I’d have Quaid, Murphy, fanning all ahead of hogan

    What about eoin Murphy from Kilkenny?


  • #4746
    big_drive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭big_drive


    RMAOK wrote: »
    What about eoin Murphy from Kilkenny?

    I mentioned him


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  • #4747
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Shefflin embarrassed himself. Instead of asking why did Hogan make such a rash decision and get himself sent off and cost his team, he brought the integrity of the referee into question. Embarrassing and biased.


  • #4748
    PhuckHugh22
    Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭PhuckHugh22


    Funny that the KK lads were laughing last week that Tipp lads are just full of excuses for defeats and all I see for last 3 pages was excuses.

    Well done Tipp. Fair play to both teams and all players in the championship this year another great year of hurling.

    Will our year ever come. From a frustrated Waterford man.


  • #4749
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Why do Sunday game pundits give out about referees not being consistent, and then when they apply the actual rules they say that they should apply common sense (i.e. ignore the rules to suit the situation).


  • #4750
    PhuckHugh22
    Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭PhuckHugh22


    Brian Hogan is a moral certainty to get the all star


  • #4751
    ClanofLams
    Registered Users Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Think Murphy is the best goalkeeper in the country but think Hogan will probably get the All Star, despite puck out struggles early on today. No goals conceded in four out of eight championship games including All Ireland final is impressive, they like to share them around a bit I think too.

    Murphy has conceded three goals in three games this year. Don’t think many of those were his fault but hard to say on face of it that it’s all star form.


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