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General Rugby Discussion II

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    #7112
    awec
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    11 Ulster men in that team, were they trying to be equitable to each province as much as possible or was that genuinely the strongest selection available?


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    #7113
    [Deleted User]
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    There is a pretty huge disparity there, not just in terms of breakthrough to professional rugby - but breakthrough to international rugby also.

    Wonder how much of a blip this was.


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    #7114
    The Lost Sheep
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    awec wrote: »
    11 Ulster men in that team, were they trying to be equitable to each province as much as possible or was that genuinely the strongest selection available?
    equal to each province.


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    #7115
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    awec wrote: »
    11 Ulster men in that team, were they trying to be equitable to each province as much as possible or was that genuinely the strongest selection available?

    Given how many of that 11 have had international careers in comparison to the Leinster selection it would almost suggest that Ulster should have had more!


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    #7116
    Quin_Dub
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    I was at that game.

    If anything the scoreline flattered the Munster/Connacht selection , they were appallingly outmatched

    Biggest cheer of the day was when security dragged some tool with a Vuvuzela out of the ground from the Lansdowne Rd end.


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    #7117
    The Lost Sheep
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Given how many of that 11 have had international careers in comparison to the Leinster selection it would almost suggest that Ulster should have had more!
    Connacht had a few who had decent pro careers but Munster age group for this year was just really really poor


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    #7118
    thomond2006
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    Johnny Holland stands out from a Munster perspective. For a half season period he showed excellent promise with Munster before injury forced his retirement.

    Shane Buckley looked decent in some early season league matches for Munster but then faded from view, due to injuries I think.


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    #7119
    awec
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Given how many of that 11 have had international careers in comparison to the Leinster selection it would almost suggest that Ulster should have had more!

    Probably a reflection on the quality of team that these lads were trying to break in to, Leinster 2010 vs Ulster 2010.


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    #7120
    Clegg
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    IIRC Luke Marshall had a stormer. Was utterly convinced that he'd be D'Arcy's long term successor for Ireland. He ended up a decent player, but never got to that world class level.


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    #7121
    errlloyd
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    Clegg wrote: »
    IIRC Luke Marshall had a stormer. Was utterly convinced that he'd be D'Arcy's long term successor for Ireland. He ended up a decent player, but never got to that world class level.

    To be fair to him, I think he's still getting better.

    Obviously not Darcy, but his little kicking game has improved. Still liable to absolutely sling it into touch though.


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    #7122
    Dave_The_Sheep
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    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    I was at that game.

    If anything the scoreline flattered the Munster/Connacht selection , they were appallingly outmatched

    One of the last matches I went to with my aul lad actually. I'd forgotten that match entirely until now.


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    #7123
    Former Former
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    It's actually surprising how few of them went on to have proper pro careers.

    Take out Gilroy, Marshall, Jackson and Henderson and it's basically none of them. James Tracy and Dave Heffernan did OK once they moved positions.

    Edit; and Marty Moore, in fairness.


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    #7124
    aloooof
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    Former Former wrote: »
    It's actually surprising how few of them went on to have proper pro careers.

    Take out Gilroy, Marshall, Jackson and Henderson and it's basically none of them. James Tracy and Dave Heffernan did OK once they moved positions.

    Edit; and Marty Moore, in fairness.

    Johnny Holland as well, but for injury. It does seem like quite a low cohort tho.


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    #7125
    Buer
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    Marshall was head and shoulders above everyone that day with only Jackson looking like he was playing the same game. They absolutely tore the opposition apart. Cathal Marsh actually looked very decent off the bench.

    Henderson was the pick up front unsurprisingly but the Leinster/Ulster pack were generally just cohesive and won the set piece without breaking sweat. The scrums were very lopsided.

    There was a bit of hype around the Connacht/Munster back row in advance but they simply didn't get near the pace. The final score was a bit mad; 68-0 and it wasn't a harsh reflection.


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    #7126
    Buer
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    Former Former wrote: »
    It's actually surprising how few of them went on to have proper pro careers.

    Take out Gilroy, Marshall, Jackson and Henderson and it's basically none of them. James Tracy and Dave Heffernan did OK once they moved positions.

    Edit; and Marty Moore, in fairness.

    I'd have thought 7 full senior internationals from an U20 crop is an excellent return even if some were just peripheral players?


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    #7127
    Former Former
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    Buer wrote: »
    I'd have thought 7 full senior internationals from an U20 crop is an excellent return even if some were just peripheral players?

    Well, yes and no. That Ulster crop was outstanding so it skews it a bit.

    If you looked at it a different way and said that of the 33 U20 players from Leinster, Munster and Connacht, that ten years later they would have one international test start between them all, and 80% wouldn't even be playing pro rugby any more, I don't think it would have gone down well.


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    #7128
    The Lost Sheep
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    Former Former wrote: »
    Well, yes and no. That Ulster crop was outstanding so it skews it a bit.

    If you looked at it a different way and said that of the 33 U20 players from Leinster, Munster and Connacht, that ten years later they would have one international test start between them all, and 80% wouldn't even be playing pro rugby any more, I don't think it would have gone down well.
    But if you look at the under 20 inter pro squads from other years it would be similar. No?


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    #7129
    bilston
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    awec wrote: »
    11 Ulster men in that team, were they trying to be equitable to each province as much as possible or was that genuinely the strongest selection available?

    That was a strong year for Ulster.

    And it could have been better, the No.6 that day Stephen Leckey was a quality player but I think was lost to Uni in Scotland (may have been more to it, not sure).


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    #7130
    bilston
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Connacht had a few who had decent pro careers but Munster age group for this year was just really really poor

    Was Hanrahan not that age group? Or a year younger?


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    #7131
    bilston
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    Clegg wrote: »
    IIRC Luke Marshall had a stormer. Was utterly convinced that he'd be D'Arcy's long term successor for Ireland. He ended up a decent player, but never got to that world class level.

    He was excellent in that series in South Africa back in 2016.

    But injuries and probably more importantly a poor passing game have cost him. Although since he has moved to 13 he has been excellent for Ulster. The Ireland ship may have sailed though, and even at Ulster with Stewart Moore coming through he is going to have his work cut out staying in the side


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    #7132
    The Lost Sheep
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    bilston wrote: »
    Was Hanrahan not that age group? Or a year younger?
    same age group.


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    #7133
    Burkie1203
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    Wow

    https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1291347678538997761?s=19


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    #7134
    yerrahbah
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Wow

    https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1291347678538997761?s=19

    Could easily happen here


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    #7135
    Burkie1203
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    yerrahbah wrote: »
    Could easily happen here

    Players on training camp in South Of France is daft. Seems a bit silly to take players away like that.


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    #7136
    Bridge93
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    England is scrapping its sevens program due to Covid a year out from the Olympics


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    #7137
    sydthebeat
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    Montpellier fined pittance after being found guilty of breaking salary cap.

    Very much different response by the French when compared to the sarries situation


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    #7138
    sydthebeat
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    Bridge93 wrote: »
    England is scrapping its sevens program due to Covid a year out from the Olympics

    Strong possibility it would have been a GB team, and I wouldn't yet be surprised if it turns out to be


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    #7139
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    World rugby delaying the move to 5 years residency for qualification for a year due to Covid. Will still be three years for anyone who begins residency for the next year.


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    #7140
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    World rugby delaying the move to 5 years residency for qualification for a year due to Covid. Will still be three years for anyone who begins residency for the next year.

    That is really bizarre. How is that related to covid at all. Players who were planning on moving to benefit from the rule?


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    #7141
    Quin_Dub
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    World rugby delaying the move to 5 years residency for qualification for a year due to Covid. Will still be three years for anyone who begins residency for the next year.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    That is really bizarre. How is that related to covid at all. Players who were planning on moving to benefit from the rule?

    That makes no Rugby sense at all.

    In some ways , maybe the view is that he market place has tightened up so much that Clubs might struggle financially to commit to "project" player for a 5 year contract , but so what?

    I thought the whole point of the change was to limit the "mercenary" contracts in favour of genuine legitimate moves?


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