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General Rugby Discussion II

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rayd3

bilston wrote: »

Confident for 24 posts...

Welcome

Thank you very much for your welcome. How many posts should I accumulate before posting further, dear leader.

sydthebeat

Yeah_Right wrote: »

So do I.
What are we blaming him for?

Covid-19 obviously

Dog Botherer

Yeah_Right wrote: »

So do I.
What are we blaming him for?

everything

Yeah_Right

bilston wrote: »

I blame Venjur...

So do I.
What are we blaming him for?

bilston

Former Former wrote: »

The rule change is not that players arriving now can qualify in three years, it's that players who arrived in their new country in 2018 can still qualify in three years, and only if they get capped by the end of 2021.

Quite who this will help, I'm not sure.

I blame Venjur...

bilston

rayd3 wrote: »

This is too complicated for the intellectuals that are deeply concerned with the issue to comprehend it seems. Either that or none of them bothered to read a single bloody article on the change.

Confident for 24 posts...

Welcome

rayd3

Former Former wrote: »

The rule change is not that players arriving now can qualify in three years, it's that players who arrived in their new country in 2018 can still qualify in three years, and only if they get capped by the end of 2021.

This is too complicated for the intellectuals that are deeply concerned with the issue to comprehend it seems. Either that or none of them bothered to read a single bloody article on the change.

Former Former

The rule change is not that players arriving now can qualify in three years, it's that players who arrived in their new country in 2018 can still qualify in three years, and only if they get capped by the end of 2021.

Quite who this will help, I'm not sure.

bilston

Quin_Dub wrote: »

That makes no Rugby sense at all.

In some ways , maybe the view is that he market place has tightened up so much that Clubs might struggle financially to commit to "project" player for a 5 year contract , but so what?

I thought the whole point of the change was to limit the "mercenary" contracts in favour of genuine legitimate moves?

Given the upheaval in Super Rugby this will help SH players get contracts in Europe or Japan. That, I assume, is the reasoning.

Quin_Dub

Deleted User wrote: »

World rugby delaying the move to 5 years residency for qualification for a year due to Covid. Will still be three years for anyone who begins residency for the next year.

Deleted User wrote: »

That is really bizarre. How is that related to covid at all. Players who were planning on moving to benefit from the rule?

That makes no Rugby sense at all.

In some ways , maybe the view is that he market place has tightened up so much that Clubs might struggle financially to commit to "project" player for a 5 year contract , but so what?

I thought the whole point of the change was to limit the "mercenary" contracts in favour of genuine legitimate moves?

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

World rugby delaying the move to 5 years residency for qualification for a year due to Covid. Will still be three years for anyone who begins residency for the next year.

That is really bizarre. How is that related to covid at all. Players who were planning on moving to benefit from the rule?

[Deleted User]

World rugby delaying the move to 5 years residency for qualification for a year due to Covid. Will still be three years for anyone who begins residency for the next year.

sydthebeat

Bridge93 wrote: »

England is scrapping its sevens program due to Covid a year out from the Olympics

Strong possibility it would have been a GB team, and I wouldn't yet be surprised if it turns out to be

sydthebeat

Montpellier fined pittance after being found guilty of breaking salary cap.

Very much different response by the French when compared to the sarries situation

Bridge93

England is scrapping its sevens program due to Covid a year out from the Olympics

Burkie1203

yerrahbah wrote: »

Could easily happen here

Players on training camp in South Of France is daft. Seems a bit silly to take players away like that.

yerrahbah

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Wow

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1291347678538997761?s=19

Could easily happen here

Burkie1203

Wow

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1291347678538997761?s=19

The Lost Sheep

bilston wrote: »

Was Hanrahan not that age group? Or a year younger?

same age group.

bilston

Clegg wrote: »

IIRC Luke Marshall had a stormer. Was utterly convinced that he'd be D'Arcy's long term successor for Ireland. He ended up a decent player, but never got to that world class level.

He was excellent in that series in South Africa back in 2016.

But injuries and probably more importantly a poor passing game have cost him. Although since he has moved to 13 he has been excellent for Ulster. The Ireland ship may have sailed though, and even at Ulster with Stewart Moore coming through he is going to have his work cut out staying in the side

bilston

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Connacht had a few who had decent pro careers but Munster age group for this year was just really really poor

Was Hanrahan not that age group? Or a year younger?

bilston

awec wrote: »

11 Ulster men in that team, were they trying to be equitable to each province as much as possible or was that genuinely the strongest selection available?

That was a strong year for Ulster.

And it could have been better, the No.6 that day Stephen Leckey was a quality player but I think was lost to Uni in Scotland (may have been more to it, not sure).

The Lost Sheep

Former Former wrote: »

Well, yes and no. That Ulster crop was outstanding so it skews it a bit.

If you looked at it a different way and said that of the 33 U20 players from Leinster, Munster and Connacht, that ten years later they would have one international test start between them all, and 80% wouldn't even be playing pro rugby any more, I don't think it would have gone down well.

But if you look at the under 20 inter pro squads from other years it would be similar. No?

Former Former

Buer wrote: »

I'd have thought 7 full senior internationals from an U20 crop is an excellent return even if some were just peripheral players?

Well, yes and no. That Ulster crop was outstanding so it skews it a bit.

If you looked at it a different way and said that of the 33 U20 players from Leinster, Munster and Connacht, that ten years later they would have one international test start between them all, and 80% wouldn't even be playing pro rugby any more, I don't think it would have gone down well.

Buer

Former Former wrote: »

It's actually surprising how few of them went on to have proper pro careers.

Take out Gilroy, Marshall, Jackson and Henderson and it's basically none of them. James Tracy and Dave Heffernan did OK once they moved positions.

Edit; and Marty Moore, in fairness.

I'd have thought 7 full senior internationals from an U20 crop is an excellent return even if some were just peripheral players?

Buer

Marshall was head and shoulders above everyone that day with only Jackson looking like he was playing the same game. They absolutely tore the opposition apart. Cathal Marsh actually looked very decent off the bench.

Henderson was the pick up front unsurprisingly but the Leinster/Ulster pack were generally just cohesive and won the set piece without breaking sweat. The scrums were very lopsided.

There was a bit of hype around the Connacht/Munster back row in advance but they simply didn't get near the pace. The final score was a bit mad; 68-0 and it wasn't a harsh reflection.

aloooof

Former Former wrote: »

It's actually surprising how few of them went on to have proper pro careers.

Take out Gilroy, Marshall, Jackson and Henderson and it's basically none of them. James Tracy and Dave Heffernan did OK once they moved positions.

Edit; and Marty Moore, in fairness.

Johnny Holland as well, but for injury. It does seem like quite a low cohort tho.

Former Former

It's actually surprising how few of them went on to have proper pro careers.

Take out Gilroy, Marshall, Jackson and Henderson and it's basically none of them. James Tracy and Dave Heffernan did OK once they moved positions.

Edit; and Marty Moore, in fairness.

Dave_The_Sheep

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I was at that game.

If anything the scoreline flattered the Munster/Connacht selection , they were appallingly outmatched

One of the last matches I went to with my aul lad actually. I'd forgotten that match entirely until now.

errlloyd

Clegg wrote: »

IIRC Luke Marshall had a stormer. Was utterly convinced that he'd be D'Arcy's long term successor for Ireland. He ended up a decent player, but never got to that world class level.

To be fair to him, I think he's still getting better.

Obviously not Darcy, but his little kicking game has improved. Still liable to absolutely sling it into touch though.